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#1 Enkei

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:04

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#2 Pistol_Peto

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:05

Ah Karma...

#3 Slartibartfast

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:05

I thought Piquet took the No2 role to new extremes ;)

#4 Slyder

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:07

Topping the time-sheets on FP2 and FP3 was no mere show for Fernando Alonso. True, he got helped by the SC, but he never lost his head, pushed when he had to and managed to get his first win of the season. AWESOME!!! COngrats Fer!!! :up: :up: :up:

Rosberg also benefited but he also made a brilliant drive, minimizing the hit of that 10 sec. stop and go penalty to a minimum. Almost reminded me of his dad back in the day. This is his best drive so far, and his best since Melbourne. Well done! :up: :up: :up:

Hamilton, had the pace, but the soft tires ultimately took some of his pace away in the last stint, but still did a good job for damage control.

Glock another 4th place. Good joob.

Raikkonen, 2 mistakes in 3 races, that's really uncommon for him. Massa got screwed by the pits, All-together poss poor day for them.

#5 krapmeister

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:07

Bernie is gonna want every race under lights...

#6 prxty

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:07

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I thought Piquet took the No2 role to new extremes ;)

You can not put your frustration to a higher point.
Have you seen the face of Lewis when he had to congratulate Fernando?

#7 alg7_munif

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:08

Great drive from Nico, well deserved 2nd place. :clap:

McLaren and Hamilton are leading the championship now. Take that Max :rotfl:

#8 Enkei

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:08

I say:

Singapore > Valencia.

#9 CaptnMark

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:09

Originally posted by Enkei
I say:

Singapore > Valencia.


You could put almost every track in the middle there, including Monaco.

#10 Bloggsworth

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:09

Alonso played his hand perfectly and won the race having started holding a pair of twos. Ferrari had 3 Aces and a Full House and blew it. Hamilton kept a cool head and collected good points and didn't risk them trying to take Rosberg.

#11 Atreiu

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:09

Alonso flawless and lucky, a perfectly deserved win for the team and him.

Great drive for Rosberg.

Hamilton was set for third before the SC, Raikkonen was gaining on him. But third with Massa not scoring points becomes a huge result, not to mention the team leading the WCC.

#12 rage2

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:10

I'm a Mclaren fan therefore I'm not a big fan of Alonso, but what a win! Didn't make a single mistake. Very well deserved!

The race gods were on McLaren's side. Got their 6 points back :).

#13 brunopascal

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:10

Great drive by FA, he deserved this!! :up:
Rosberg, Glock great too :up:
LH mature, good drive :up:

Ferrari.... :down:
Kimi, why? :down:

#14 eoin

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:10

Originally posted by Enkei
I say:

Singapore > Valencia.


From a racing PoV there might not be much difference. If drivers put it in wall at valencia it might of been just as good.

#15 brunopascal

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:11

SAFETY CAR RULES S*CKS!!!! :down: :down: :down:
Destroyed the race for many

#16 Bloggsworth

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:11

Originally posted by rage2
I'm a Mclaren fan therefore I'm not a big fan of Alonso, but what a win! Didn't make a single mistake. Very well deserved!

The race gods were on McLaren's side. Got their 6 points back :).


You can be both, they're not mutually exclusive.

#17 Slartibartfast

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:11

Originally posted by prxty

You can not put your frustration to a higher point.
Have you seen the face of Lewis when he had to congratulate Fernando?


You apparently don't understand a joke!

Good driving and a clever strategy got Alonso to the front.
But you can't deny Massa was unlucky.

#18 pUs

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:11

Alonso, just flawless today. Masterful piece of driving. Sure he was lucky with the safety car, however, he was not lucky at all yesterday. Nice piece of gambling going out light instead of doing what people usually does when starting further back, i.e filling up the car with fuel. Man of the race :up: :up: :up:

Also, Rosberg was very impressive. He had genuine pace today, fully deserved.

#19 rsherb

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:12

A little bit of fortune for Alonso after the bad luck in Q2, and he grabbed it with both hands. Great drive. Renault pit radio "Ok Piquet, Alonso has pitted. Now bin it. Make sure there's lots of debris. We need the safety car" ;)

Rosberg made the most of having to pit before the pit lane opened by setting a great pace after the safety car. Good strategy knowing they would be penalised, somewhat helped by the Stewards slowness in applying the penalty, but otherwise a strong drive.

Hamilton played it safe. Better than he expected (point gain wise), I'm sure, but no heroics. Maybe he's learnt from last year.

Massa had great early pace and the pitlane problem was not initially his mistake - but from then a terrible race. And I wonder if a certain McLaren driver would have received a penalty for pulling back on the racing line in front of Sutil. I need to see a replay, but my initial thought was that Sutil took an evasive line to avoid hitting Massa, straight to the barrier.

Kimi has probably thrown any chance of the WDC away by hitting that kerb. If he'sd collected some useful points, he could probably legitimately still have raced Massa for another race. Not his year....

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#20 Megan

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:12

Alonso won due to Piquet accident. Was Piquet accident on purpose? :evil:

#21 Lopek

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:12

Great drives by Alonso and Rosberg! :clap:

Rosberg in particular - those laps after the safety car to pull out the gap were simply stunning! :up:

What a mess from Ferrari - they really seem to be missing Nigel Stepney marshalling that pit crew.

Overall I think the mess of the pits and safety car saved what would have been a repeat of the terminally dull Valencia Take Trulli out of the race and there was only a couple of overtaking moves - Hamilton on Coulthard (when balked by Rosberg) and Kubica on Fisichella.

Not impressed with the whole night race gimmick - looks nice, but the costs far outweigh the benefits imo.

Give me Spa or Suzuka in the daytime anytime thanks.

#22 rage2

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:12

Originally posted by Bloggsworth
You can be both, they're not mutually exclusive.

I'm still bitter over his behavior over at McLaren :). I do agree though that Alonso is definately one of the top, if not the top driver in the field this year. It's amazing what he's been able to do with that POS Renault.

#23 pUs

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:13

Originally posted by brunopascal
SAFETY CAR RULES S*CKS!!!! :down: :down: :down:
Destroyed the race for many


Agreed, it really sickens me :down: to see drivers having to pick up stop&go-penalties because they simply can't stretch it any longer fuel-wise. However, I'd say Nico did a damn nice job regardless..

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:13

Heikki doesn't deserve that car. Number 2 or not - which I don't believe he is - there's no reason for him to be driving so poorly in that car. McLaren could use the points.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:13

Originally posted by Enkei
I say:

Singapore > Valencia.


Not really ...
Ambient yes, otherwise pretty much the same.

If not for the SC it would be dull as hell ...

#26 pRy

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:13

Alonso :clap:

Ferrari :down: - FIA need to have a serious chat with them about their pit procedures and that light system.

#27 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:13

Farce. The people behind these SC rules need to die. Slowly.

#28 equality

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:14

Well well done Fernando. Well done williams and Rosberg. Both cars in the points! Well done vettel, glock and even DC. Im not gonna talk about Ferrari.

#29 Scotracer

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:14

Originally posted by Megan
Alonso won due to Piquet accident. Was Piquet accident on purpose? :evil:


Shush.

#30 niallmckiernan

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:14

:clap: congrats Fernando, you legend!!!!! :clap:

#31 Coral

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:14

Crikey what a race...fantastic drives by Alonso and Rosberg who drove really well and made the most of the luck that came their way :up: :up: :up:

Lewis...good solid drive :up: :up:

David Coulthard...yay! :clap:

Ferrari... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#32 Konsta

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:15

Shame that the race ended the way it did for Kimi - he was really pushing the entire race. Good to see Fernando and Nico on the podium - Lewis did nothing to deserve 3rd. Felipe was fragile as he**, the cock-up at the pits was not his but after that he was like the worst driver on the track. Ferrari was tactically poor - I mean how on earth could they allow to be 14th and 17th after first stops :confused:

I´m afraid this race was a cornerstone to Lewis´s title.

#33 ensign14

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:15

Not the best track for overtaking, but it was at least possible, unlike at some non-street circuits. Looked absolutely spectacular under the lights, stunning backdrop as well.

Again SC screws up a race, though. Kudos to Alonso and Kekinho for making it work (and you won't see me criticizing a Williams on the podium), but there MUST be a fairer way. That would probably have been Massa's race had it not been for a hurried stop with the gap whittled down. But he hardly distinguished himself thereafter.

Incidentally, for the conspiracy theorists, they delayed the Rosberg penalty until he had just enough time to serve it and emerge in front of Hamilton.  ;)

And get rid of the points system. Hamilton probably cruised those past few laps for a safe third rather than risking all for second. I hope all you who gloated at his retirement at China when he went for the race win rather than the title win are happy, it's people like you who are ruining racing. :down: :down: :down:

Coulthard 7th...his last points ever? And keep Barrichello away from guns, otherwise there's gonna be a massacre in Singapore.

#34 pUs

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:16

I wonder how heavy Kimi really was in qualifying. He went extremely long in his 2nd stint, and he didn't seem to be filled up particulary long in his stop right after Massa.

His pace in the first stint was awesome, one wonders what might have happened without any safety cars.

#35 prxty

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:16

Originally posted by Slartibartfast


You apparently don't understand a joke!

Good driving and a clever strategy got Alonso to the front.
But you can't deny Massa was unlucky.

Massa was unlucky. If you mess a pit stop during a SC phase you are done.

#36 rsherb

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:16

Originally posted by Megan
Alonso won due to Piquet accident. Was Piquet accident on purpose? :evil:


I love the way Piquet apologized "Sorry guys"

Little did he know he'd won them the race :clap:

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:16

Really enjoyed that race. Luck played a massive role but it really spiced thing up. Still annoyed by that SC rule and then the fact it took them so long to hand out the penalties which earned Rosberg the 2nd place (but he really fought well to hold onto it).

Once again zero luck for Webber after having awesome luck with the SC but that's the way it is I suppose.

#38 Lazy Prodigy

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:16

Ferrari... need to get there heads together. Raikkonen needs to get his head together. I dunno what he was thinking running over the curb.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:17

Well done Alonso :up: :up: :up:
Driver of the race: Rosberg :up: :up:
Good show: Glock, Nako, DC :up:

Bad luck: Massa, Kubica, :(

So,so drive: Hamilton, Vettel, Heidfeld :

Disappointing: Kimi, Kova, Ferrari, :o

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#40 Chris Glass

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:17

Great victory for Alonso. Sure he was lucky but he still hard to work hard for it and he was blistering fast, plus this good luck just countered his back luck yesterday. You cant keep great drivers down. Pity Massa got screwed because this really helped Hamiltons wc claim. As for Kimi, I think today really increased the risk of ferrari just throwing him away for next year.

Very glad to see Alonso off 19 wins, I never liked that number. 20 sounds so much nicer.

#41 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:17

So is that two races in a row in which "The Iceman" has binned it in the closing laps whilst trying to catch Hamilton?

#42 Kenaltgr

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:17

Would like to see Hamilton win a race without a top car. Alonso won today in a car worse than any Schumacher drove in his F1 career. Piquet is useless in the car.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:17

Originally posted by ensign14


And get rid of the points system. Hamilton probably cruised those past few laps for a safe third rather than risking all for second. I hope all you who gloated at his retirement at China when he went for the race win rather than the title win are happy, it's people like you who are ruining racing. :down: :down: :down:


You're kidding aren't you? I hope you are kidding.

#44 pUs

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:17

Originally posted by ensign14

And get rid of the points system. Hamilton probably cruised those past few laps for a safe third rather than risking all for second. I hope all you who gloated at his retirement at China when he went for the race win rather than the title win are happy, it's people like you who are ruining racing. :down: :down: :down:


Really? We destroy racing? :confused: :lol:

Ok, that must be the reason. Lewis reading AtlasF1 and decides, wtf, I won't go racing anymore, those guys are just right. Let's settle for safe points.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:18

I swear the Ferrari drivers are 1 and 2 when it comes to driver mistakes. Kimi being the worst by far. Not good enough boys.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:18

Highlight of the race - Alonso's race pace. Just amazing but he was quick right from the off here.
I'm actually not that impressed with Rosberg's second place. Sure, I'm happy for him and Williams, but his job was made so much easier with the huge delay in handing out his penalty. Though it has to be said; he too showed great race-pace if more inconsistent than Alonso.

Wise drive from Hamilton. Well done.

Another thumbs-up GP-weekend from Glock. He's impressive. Always, on every single lap has he been faster than Trulli here.

Räikkönen's race-pace once into the rythm in the first stint was truly impressive. ....but then he crashed.
Massa performed well, very well in qualifying and in stretching out a good lead, but he's not very composed when a mishap strikes him.

Shame about DC's pitstop hick-up, but he was awfully slow on his out-lap so he lost a couple of positions on his own too. But I'm glad to see him score points. Nothing between him and Webber for race-pace today I think.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:18

Originally posted by peroa


Not really ...
Ambient yes, otherwise pretty much the same.

If not for the SC it would be dull as hell ...


If you were very fast it was actually possible to pass - and the trickier circuit made for more mistakes. Singapore was much better than I thought beforehand and made for a good race. It's not Spa but then again nothing is. Valencia is the worst track of the season so far.

With a few minor modifications Singapore can be a highly anticipated race.

#48 alg7_munif

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:18

Originally posted by Kenaltgr
Would like to see Hamilton win a race without a top car. Alonso won today in a car worse than any Schumacher drove in his F1 career. Piquet is useless in the car.


Vettel did better last time.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:19

I wonder how many cars get DISQ by too thin under plate. Hamilton looks set for title now.

Good race for Kimi until he decided to take kerb flight into wall.

#50 pUs

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:19

Originally posted by prxty

Massa was unlucky. If you mess a pit stop during a SC phase you are done.


Well, in that case, Kimi was pretty much as unlucky. He had to queue up behind and watch that whole mess, and then proceed to having his own stop.. two races ruined in an instant.