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[ZooL]

Originally posted by scheivlak




I can't follow you. There were never more than 4 cars on track at the same time in Jerez this week. McLaren was there for 4 days http://www.forix.com...&r=20099019&c=0
And Williams was simply faster on that last day when only 2 cars practised -and faster than anybody else this week! What do you make of that?

The 2 points I'm making is the track would not have gone faster on the last 2 days when where was only 2 cars left. The prime condition of the tarmac would have been gone. People seem to be thinking the track was getting even faster on the Wednesday and Thursday, this in my experiance is not true, the opposite would occur, the track would already have peaked on Tuesday. Two days later, on Thursday the track would have been unquantifiably slower.

The 2nd point to rephrase it, is people seem keen only to compare same day times, but this is in anyway not equal if a teams sliding test window is mapped differently. You cannot compare somebody who is setting their best laps on their Day #4/4 of the test to somebody who is only on their Day #2/4 of the test, the key word being 'their'.

Yes Williams were faster than McLaren but I don't have any comment on that, just wail till Melbourne.

[sensible]

I expect McLaren to be at the front in melbourne. The reason - they say they are "not where they want to be".

McLaren are compulsive liars. They almost never tell the truth. Just look at testing this year. Everyone could see they were having problems with the wing switching and flow viz, but no, according to them everything was fine and on track. Then suddenly, just as their times start to improve they start saying they do have problems. Now that they've done some fairly respectable times they say they are nowhere. Do we believe them? I dont.

[Kingstromba]

Lets look at how things have changed.

Early tests
Less rubber on track
Worse track conditions
McLaren 0.5 seconds behind Williams

Late tests
More rubber on track
Better track conditions
McLaren still 0.5 behind Williams.


So where is the improvement?

[Rinehart]

Originally posted by Youichi


And I hearby crown Brawn GP winners of the Winter Testing World Championship

God Bless them, and all who race for them

We're they fastest on the most days, going by the new system... I doubt it, they only launched the car a couple of weeks ago...!

[Rinehart]

Originally posted by Yellowmc
McLaren will not challange for a podium at Melbourne, top 10 is a possibility though.

Last week you described me as ' ' for daring to suggest that...

[Jambo]

Originally posted by Kingstromba
Lets look at how things have changed.

Early tests
Less rubber on track
Worse track conditions
McLaren 0.5 seconds behind Williams

Late tests
More rubber on track
Better track conditions
McLaren still 0.5 behind Williams.


So where is the improvement?

I know i am biased but I am pretty sure Williams times improved not because of the improvement in track conditions but that their testing schedule had them only doing fastlaps on Rosbergs and Nakajimas last days.

To compare a teams times to early in the week and say "Look the track is much faster as that car is going quicker now" shows a rather innocent view of testing.

The teams have programs and none of them involve going for fastest laps all the time.

[rodlamas]

Originally posted by Kingstromba
Lets look at how things have changed.

Early tests
Less rubber on track
Worse track conditions
McLaren 0.5 seconds behind Williams

Late tests
More rubber on track
Better track conditions
McLaren still 0.5 behind Williams.


So where is the improvement?

It's based on the facts that Kovalainen was 1.8 faster than Nakajima on Wednesday and that on longer runs yesterday Mclaren was faster than Williams.

[Dalton007]

Originally posted by sensible
I expect McLaren to be at the front in melbourne. The reason - they say they are "not where they want to be".

McLaren are compulsive liars. They almost never tell the truth. Just look at testing this year. Everyone could see they were having problems with the wing switching and flow viz, but no, according to them everything was fine and on track. Then suddenly, just as their times start to improve they start saying they do have problems. Now that they've done some fairly respectable times they say they are nowhere. Do we believe them? I dont.

I agree, they will be close to the front.

[Modern Lover]

Originally posted by sensible
I expect McLaren to be at the front in melbourne. The reason - they say they are "not where they want to be".

McLaren are compulsive liars.

A bit rich, mate. I they do not feel the need to disclose to the public their exact whereabouts at any given point in time that is their right. There is no doubting that they had issues. The team always aims to be at the apex of every race, when they see a performance shortfall they get worried. Thats it.

[senna da silva]

Originally posted by Modern Lover


A bit rich, mate. I they do not feel the need to disclose to the public their exact whereabouts at any given point in time that is their right. There is no doubting that they had issues. The team always aims to be at the apex of every race, when they see a performance shortfall they get worried. Thats it.

Please don't feed the troll.

[fhaneef]

Originally posted by Dalton007


I agree, they will be close to the front.

We go into the start of the 2009 season fully aware that we do not yet have the technical package that will allow our drivers to fight at the front," said Whitmarsh in a team preview.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/73805

[One]

If Mclaren was sand bag machine during the winter then Martin is stil doing the work. I wait till Aus.

[stevvy1986]

no need to laugh at people and call them losers-thats quite a childish thing to do

[fhaneef]

Originally posted by stevvy1986
no need to laugh at people and call them losers-thats quite a childish thing to do

I am only 7...

[Bimmer]

Originally posted by fhaneef


hahaha you losers!

We go into the start of the 2009 season fully aware that we do not yet have the technical package that will allow our drivers to fight at the front," said Whitmarsh in a team preview.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/73805

As far as I know Hamilton is world champion with McLaren. So I wouldn't call them loosers. This is good characteristic to be realistic and praise a team when they are competive, and say when they are not. They are working hard, they upgrated a car almost every day, so they did great job. But you can't be always the best. This year is time for B M W to be on P1

[One]

Never the less I want to see them doing the work which Renault was doing, which Williams was doing several years. How well do Mclaren do it, that is the question.

[fhaneef]

I wasn't calling Mclaren loser's, I was calling the fans who think the Mac's have are sandbagging in their words the fastest car's in 2009.

All your hope and dreams have been shattered, God knows why you don't accept that your beloved Mclaren is heading for another season like 2004!

[Hacklerf]

Well at least Hekki might be allowed to beat Lewis now

[Kimiraikkonen]

Originally posted by Dalton007


I agree, they will be close to the front.

x2

[rodlamas]

It's absolutely unbelievable the amount of trolls that are Feb-March, 2009 new members that have been bashing Mclaren for the last few days/weeks.

And the moderators seem to take no evident action.

[Kimiraikkonen]

Originally posted by rodlamas
It's absolutely unbelievable the amount of trolls that are Feb-March, 2009 new members that have been bashing Mclaren for the last few days/weeks.

And the moderators seem to take no evident action.

Totally agree. in seven days starts his dead

[mkay]

Originally posted by rodlamas
It's absolutely unbelievable the amount of trolls that are Feb-March, 2009 new members that have been bashing Mclaren for the last few days/weeks.

And the moderators seem to take no evident action.

If they bother you, don't answer. It is THAT simple.