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[mursuka80]

Originally posted by jesee


It seems in most of your posts that come is a term very dear to you.....now iam a decent man but i feel sorry for you if every time you are excited that is what happens

Try to be civil, it doesn't pay to be rude. I posted what is already available in autosport so no need to get worked up

Im sorry if i offended you,but thats the vibe i get.Hope im wrong thou.

[Mika Mika]

Originally posted by jesee
Autosport asked the team principals to give their votes for driver of the season:

Quote:
The deal was simple: each individual team boss's ranking would be kept secret, and only the final collated results would be published here. Points were awarded on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis and anonymity was crucial if the team principals were to give their own honest appraisal, not only of the men they employ but the men they compete against every other weekend.


here is the result:

1.Hamilton - 88 points
2.Massa - 86 points
3.Alonso - 50 points
3.Kubica - 50 points
5.Vettel - 37 points
6.Raikkonen - 27 points
7.Glock - 17 points
8.Kovalainen - 10 points
9.Heidfeld - 4 points
10.Sutil - 3 points
10.Trulli - 3 points

All seem about right although id of put ikkle a bit higher myself.

[mursuka80]

Originally posted by Mika Mika


All seem about right although id of put ikkle a bit higher myself.

Who is ikkle?

[Rinehart]

Originally posted by hallo


Team principles are business men , not sporting experts, you should know that, and there are many examples of them being clueless when it comes to the sport. Their list is predictable, flawed imo.

Yup, you know better than the 10 team principles combined.

[hallo]

Originally posted by Rinehart


Yup, you know better than the 10 team principles combined.

Yep I do and its been proven. Remember that wonderful aggregate qualifying system that they are invented? I knew it was rubbish from the moment I read about it, yet they all thought it was a great idea. It was thrown out after a few races.

Another example is red bull hiring coulthard for 2008 when it was clear he was a waste of a seat. Horner thought otherwise and was proven wrong and his poor decision cost the team badly and turned it into a one man team. On the sporting side they are clueless and its been proven time and time again. Many people on this forum have a far better grasp of the sport. Not you though.

[Rinehart]

Originally posted by hallo



Yep I do and its been proven.

You claim to 'know more' than the 10 team managers combined.

Here's a selection of your most recent contributions to the forum then, this should give us a good idea of your potential as the head of FOCA:

"Ron was being massive hypocrite".

"Renault have always been fair".

"Mclaren forced him (Alonso) to say it as part of the separation deal".

"Massa scored 97 points, which is not very very good. Its decent but thats about it. Very very good is Alonso scoring 130+".

"Ron's latest words just prove what an utter tool he is".

"All I mainly see here are nasty alonso haters".

"The Alonso bashers around here live in an alternate reality".

"If that nonsense was true, Alonso would not have gotten offers from toyota, red bull, honda, bmw, and probably a contract from ferrari, not to mention a massive contract from renault".

Humm, perhaps not. Could it be, per chance, that your not happy that Alonso was not voted number 1.

[Arion]

interesting Sutil is in the top 10 and Nico is not

[Slartibartfast]

Originally posted by hallo



Yep I do and its been proven. Remember that wonderful aggregate qualifying system that they are invented? I knew it was rubbish from the moment I read about it, yet they all thought it was a great idea. It was thrown out after a few races.

Another example is red bull hiring coulthard for 2008 when it was clear he was a waste of a seat. Horner thought otherwise and was proven wrong and his poor decision cost the team badly and turned it into a one man team. On the sporting side they are clueless and its been proven time and time again. Many people on this forum have a far better grasp of the sport. Not you though.

Any chance of any links to your pearls of wisom?

e.g. Where exactly did you predict that Red Bull hiring DC would be a bad move?

[hallo]

Originally posted by Slartibartfast


Any chance of any links to your pearls of wisom?

e.g. Where exactly did you predict that Red Bull hiring DC would be a bad move?

I made the claims in other places and to friends. Dc has had nothing to offer on track since 2004, but I said he shouldnt have been signed for 2007, and after that season where he was consistently nowhere in terms of pace, only an absolutely clueless idiot would have hired him for 2008. Mind you, its not like I was the only one who saw this, as it was pretty obvious to anyone half clued in.

[Taxi]

Originally posted by mursuka80


Who is ikkle?

Oh its' Kovi

[undersquare]

Originally posted by Arion
interesting Sutil is in the top 10 and Nico is not

Yes good point. So apparently Frank doesn't rate him in the top 6 now.

[Mat]

Originally posted by hallo


I made the claims in other places and to friends. Dc has had nothing to offer on track since 2004, but I said he shouldnt have been signed for 2007, and after that season where he was consistently nowhere in terms of pace, only an absolutely clueless idiot would have hired him for 2008. Mind you, its not like I was the only one who saw this, as it was pretty obvious to anyone half clued in.

DC has managed a podium the last couple of years. That is not something to be sniffed at. I would bet Webber would have sacrificed a few points for a lucky podium!!

[kodandaram]

Kubica or Alonso would top the list. Kubica had some issues in only a couple or so races - Tyres IIRC. Likewise Alonso was scrappy early on in the year when he knew the car was crap. But as Development progressed Alonso came into his own in the latter half of the year and Kubica found his groove.

1. Kubica/Alonso
3.Lewis/Massa
5.Vettel
6.Glock/Kimi/Kova.

[GlobalGP.net]

Don't really have a top ten but I thought Nakajima punched well above his weight in 2008 and Bourdais did a good job too but something tells me he won't be keeping his seat for 2009.

[HoldenRT]

Originally posted by molive
Lets consider the SEASON and not the last race...

Hamilton
Massa (virtually tied with LH in 1st place)
Kubica
Alonso
Vettel
Kimi
Bourdais

Bourdais?

[redhorse]

kimi
vettel
alonso
massa

[Kelateboy]

Originally posted by armchair expert


Why not? In the first half of the year when RBR was better than STR, most people would have placed Webber in their top ten, if not their top 5. In the second half of the year RB dropped off dramatically and so did Webber's place on everyone's lists. Vettel's excellent drives in a much improved car do not diminish Webber's performance in a less capable car.

RedBull and Toro Rosso had the same chassis, but different engines. On the other hand, Renault and RedBull had different chassis but similar engines. The second half of the 2008 season, Renault was constantly improving netting 5 podium places with 2 wins, but RedBull was no where in sight. Either Renault had found the holy grail to their weight distribution problem vis-a-vis the Bridgestone tyres, or RedBull had some serious problems that they managed to hide from the F1 world.

We could be looking for a 3 horse race for 2009 season - McLaren, Ferrari and Renault fighting for WDC and WCC.

-KB

[VresiBerba]

Originally posted by redhorse
kimi
vettel
alonso
massa

Is that a joke or is the list in reverse?

[armchair expert]

Originally posted by Kelateboy
RedBull and Toro Rosso had the same chassis, but different engines. On the other hand, Renault and RedBull had different chassis but similar engines. The second half of the 2008 season, Renault was constantly improving netting 5 podium places with 2 wins, but RedBull was no where in sight. Either Renault had found the holy grail to their weight distribution problem vis-a-vis the Bridgestone tyres, or RedBull had some serious problems that they managed to hide from the F1 world.

We could be looking for a 3 horse race for 2009 season - McLaren, Ferrari and Renault fighting for WDC and WCC.

-KB

Indeed you are right. in the first half of the season, Renault and RBR were on a par, after that Renault definitely came to grips with their chassis and Bridgestone and RBR fell away. I don't know what went wrong, but RBR definitely had 'issues' and dropped the ball in the latter half of the season. However, Webber could have lucked into a podium in Singapore had his gearbox not died (underground railway theories notwithstanding )