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[H2H]

Webber testing, and testing, and testing. How many times they changed his front wing and setup?

[Lukin83]

Webber testing, and testing, and testing. How many times they changed his front wing and setup?

Haha, ultimately Webbo got the fastest lap Looks like a narrow nose was the way to go.

[aguri]

Good on webber for getting the fastest lap. He made the best of a bad situation.

[Hippo]

Hopefully all the testing he did today proves itself useful for the last two races. Funnily the WCC is still possible albeit very unlikely.

Vettel 16 points behind now. Still a very little chance. But as he has to gain 17 points more than Button. Can't see him doing that.

Edited by Hippo, 04 October 2009 - 07:40.

[beamer97]

Hopefully all the testing he did today proves itself useful for the last two races. Funnily the WCC is still possible albeit very unlikely.

Vettel 16 points behind now. Still a very little chance. But as he has to gain 17 points more than Button. Can't see him doing that.

big pressure for barrachello and vettel at brasil they now need to achieve target results of 4th and 2nd respectively even if button has a DNF.

[H2H]

Haha, ultimately Webbo got the fastest lap Looks like a narrow nose was the way to go.

At least something good for his morale, and a lot of testing for the team

Seb's mechanic was cetainly not happy about Seb's fastest lap though, at least according to the Seba. Makes sense with the little engine troubles lately...


H2H

[stuck-in-first-gear]

big pressure for barrachello and vettel at brasil they now need to achieve target results of 4th and 2nd respectively even if button has a DNF.

Pressure is on Button, as he has got everything to lose. Still, it will be a hell of a task...

[Owen]

Interesting piece on the prospects for Brazil:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/

[shonguiz]

Q: In Japan Mark started from the back of the grid and it looked more like a test session than a race. What was learnt by the team that could help you at this race?
SV: Unfortunately his race was predictable as he didn’t qualify well as he damaged his chassis in practice. So they tested a new front wing which we will race here. The outcome was very positive, although it’s hard to say what that means in real lap time. The hope is that it will give us a little extra boost.

[dank]

Weather forecast for this weekend seems to favour Red Bull, with rain and cold temperatures on their way.

[krapmeister]

Fingers crossed - I'm hoping for a Red Bull 1-2...

Be good to see the championship go to the final round. If Vettel wins in Brazil and Button doesn't score I really do feel that the momentum will be with Vettel and the championship will go his way.

I know Abu Dhabi should suit Brawn more but Button needs to secure it in Brazil IMO - if he doesn't he will be under IMMENSE pressure, much much more than Vettel. And in that situation I can see it ending in tears - not necessarily because Button will crack - although he may - but more because he may get hit by another car or have an engine/gearbox failure etc etc at the worse possible time to do so...

Edited by krapmeister, 16 October 2009 - 08:58.

[Nuvol]

What engine will Vettel use in terms of mileage? 3rd race?

[H2H]

Hm it seems that Mark does testdrive very well. We won't see much pushing from Seba until Saturday afternoon.

Let us hope that both snap alot of points. A lot of things can happen during a GP, so all hope is not lost, even if Jenson is in an excellent position.

[Alfisti]

Gee maybe use Mark as the hare here and hope Vettel can sneak into 2nd on a heavier fuel load then it's game on.

[Alfisti]

Gee the way STR are going, if one can snag a spot in Q3 they could be a REALLLLLLL pest for BRawn ;)

[Hippo]

Well, qualifying went an unexpected way. Sebastian will need insanely much luck tomorrow. But Mark has a good shot at victory. I think Rubens is lighter. Crossing my fingers for a second win!

[dank]

Wouldn't surprise me to see either of the Toro Rossos playing a part in 'delaying' Button as much as possible tomorrow.

Vettel will be kicking a few more doors after seeing what could have been with Button starting so low down the order as well.

Reckon Webber's in with a good shout tomorrow of achieving his second win. The RB5 appears to be strong around all three sectors of Interlagos.

[krapmeister]

I think I saw Noah out in his boat lol...

RBR must be praying that it is going to be dryish tomorrow - the car is good but not with a dry setup in monsoon conditions.

Unfortunately as Vettel found out...

[dank]

Red Bull will be conducting some straight line testing at Kemble airport tomorrow.

[Alfisti]

Webber is always slow on the first few laps, he seems to have found his pace now on lap 8 but he's so vunerable early in stints. It's his race if he's good enough.

[Sakae]

Congratulation to Webber, and for Seb it was just unlucky Quali-weekend. There is life after today, and while JB is celebrating, his P4 dented litlle bit into RB's score. One more race to go.

Edited by MiPe, 18 October 2009 - 17:47.

[H2H]

Excellent race by both pilots in a great car. Thanks RBR for the nice moments

[Hippo]

Awesome victory for Mark. Too bad it goes by somewhat unnoticed because of the WDC decision.

P4 for Seb was quite good too. He threw away a better result yesterday.


So now as the season is literally over let's grab another win in Abu Dhabi. Crossing my fingers for Mark to up his count to 3.

[dank]

Agree that Webber's faultless performance will go largely unnoticed with Button securing the WDC. Was an excellent drive by the Aussie and much deserved after his poor-run since Hungary.

Vettel performed well as well today, very aggressive and not giving an inch. Could so easily have been a Red Bull one-two today, but then hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Fantastic performance all round for the team though to have secured second in the constructors' championship. And to think Dietrich Mateschitz set them the target of finishing in the top five this season!

[Mandzipop]

You've got to feel sorry for Vettel. Out of the top 4 he is the only one with nothing to celebrate. Brawn got WCC so Rubens has that to celebrate, Je nson got the WDC so he has something to celebrate, Mark got the win. I feel really sorry for him.

[Melbourne Park]

You've got to feel sorry for Vettel. Out of the top 4 he is the only one with nothing to celebrate. Brawn got WCC so Rubens has that to celebrate, Je nson got the WDC so he has something to celebrate, Mark got the win. I feel really sorry for him.

Seb survived the first lap clean with mayhem all around him, which was something to celebrate.

You also may not have noticed, but near the end of the race, Rubens lost his third place to a tyre puncturing overtake by Hamilton. Rubens then pitted to have his punctured tyre replaced, and he finished 8th, having lost his third place to Hamilton, he then lost his 4th place due to the ensuing puncture.

And now Seb is coming second in the WDC. That's lots to celebrate ...

If you want to feel sorry for someone, try Rubens, who from pole, at his home grand prix, got his race stuffed up by the SC coming out. Without the SC, he'd not have been caught in the traffic after his first stop. He'd have come second, and maybe still be in the championship contest.;)

Edited by Melbourne Park, 18 October 2009 - 21:41.

[dank]

Where'd all the Red Bull discussion go eh?

Red Bull have already decided which engine they are going to be using next season, just not revealed it to the media yet. Haven't a clue which it is (probably between Cosworth and Renault) and the likelihood of me being able to prise it out of my contact within the team is probably zero due to the non-disclosure agreements and such like they all sign.

[Melbourne Park]

Where'd all the Red Bull discussion go eh?

Red Bull have already decided which engine they are going to be using next season, just not revealed it to the media yet. Haven't a clue which it is (probably between Cosworth and Renault) and the likelihood of me being able to prise it out of my contact within the team is probably zero due to the non-disclosure agreements and such like they all sign.

It seems that McLaren vetoed the MB, which was the one the media said RBR were interested in?

I also thought that the FIA had talked about equalising the engines? I wonder what would happen if the Cosworth engine came along, and it was 12% down on power, or used 5% more fuel? If that was the case, the bedrock of the FIA's plan for independent teams would be sunk ... and Honda left annoyed that the homologation principles were circumvented. So IMO the Cosworth is a huge risk, the MB is the best choice, but who knows what the FIA are going to do?

[newbie]

Where'd all the Red Bull discussion go eh?

Red Bull have already decided which engine they are going to be using next season, just not revealed it to the media yet. Haven't a clue which it is (probably between Cosworth and Renault) and the likelihood of me being able to prise it out of my contact within the team is probably zero due to the non-disclosure agreements and such like they all sign.

I think they have decided this very past week on the engine. out of curiosity do you know where in the company your contact works?

[LukeM]

id hope that if the choice is between Renault and Cosworth they select Renault. Cosworth is a huge unknown and may have even worse reliability issues.

[Melbourne Park]

I think they have decided this very past week on the engine. out of curiosity do you know where in the company your contact works?

Why try to break the confidentiality?

Anyway, it may be himself? Convenient to "blame" someone else?

[Melbourne Park]

id hope that if the choice is between Renault and Cosworth they select Renault. Cosworth is a huge unknown and may have even worse reliability issues.

the problem is that for this season, the MB has been so much better.

However last race, the MB used a huge amount of fuel, especially for Rubens (if we presume the team did allow both Rubens and Jenson to race). On my rough calculations, the fuel consumption that the MB used in the Brawns last race, would make the MB engine a poor performer next year. Because next year you have to carry a whole race worth of fuel, hence consumption effects performance much more than it did this year (due to the all the extra weight).

But as you say, who knows about the Cosworth? Nonetheless, Cosworth have one advantage - they can design a fresh engine, for the fuel economy, engine life, and rev limits rules for 2010 onwards. No other team has had that benefit. Maybe Cosworth will produce the best engine? Its quite possible IMO. Especially if the FIA permit them to modify their engine due to "reliability", as other teams were allowed to do ...

Edited by Melbourne Park, 01 November 2009 - 08:06.

[Timstr11]

Red Bull have already decided which engine they are going to be using next season, just not revealed it to the media yet. Haven't a clue which it is (probably between Cosworth and Renault) and the likelihood of me being able to prise it out of my contact within the team is probably zero due to the non-disclosure agreements and such like they all sign.

I think Mercedes is still on top of their list.
Whether they can get it depends on the outcome of high-level talks going on this weekend between Mercedes and McLaren.
If Mercedes and McLaren agree to end their exclusive relationship by the end of this year, McLaren will no longer have a say in who Mercedes supplies with engines as of next year.

[dank]

Why try to break the confidentiality?

Anyway, it may be himself? Convenient to "blame" someone else?

Let it be known that I don't work for the team! I just know half-a-dozen or so people that do within various roles at Milton Keynes.

[newbie]

Let it be known that I don't work for the team! I just know half-a-dozen or so people that do within various roles at Milton Keynes.

it wont be MB imo, although there was a Deutchland-registered Force India van (a merc ;) ) outside the factory a few weeks back! probably unrelated to the engine scenario but a few theories did pop up, as you can imagine.

[FPV GTHO]

from the Vettel vs Webber thread

Next year, the field will likely have lots of RBR "copies" won't it?

Even Ross Brawn said their new car will look more like an RBR, didn't he?

Surely RBR can't go any more radical...

McLaren have admitted they'll be going radical with the floor. Assumably so will Ferrari and Renault. I dont know what Red Bull will have up their sleeves, they'll likely revert to the pushrod rear suspension as Newey said as much during the year that they wouldnt have gone with the pullrod if they'd known the double diffuser was legal.

Maybe they'll still be able to keep the upper body packaging super tight whilst also keeping the fuel tank double the current size. Everybody seems to be assuming that next year they'll simply make the cars longer to accomodate the bigger tanks, but that didnt happen this year with KERS. BMW and McLaren in particular fattened out their sidepods for KERS when they couldve had it near the fuel tank like Ferrari and Renault.