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[myF1dream]

Who thinks that the New look F1 2009 cars actually look no different to a formula BMW. Where has all the sleek looks and lines and fins gone.

We are already getting more thrilling racing, if I want to watch extremely close racing then I will watch F3. If I want to watch the most desirable and fastest cars racing then its F1 all the way.

Who's decision is it to stick with the ridiculous rear spoiler and the front wing isn't much better.

Not sure about getting my 2009 model F1 diecasts next year.

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[president evil]

Yeah at first glance the 2009 BMW does look horrible but I think a lot depends on what era of F1 you grewup in. I like personally the 92 Benneton but some may say its fat and ugly. I dont really like the 08 cars with the curvy sidepods and bits sticking out all over the place but then I grew up in an era where those things didnt exist.


Some may even say the 1982 Ferrari was terrible. I like the new high rear wing and the front wing, but if the rear was wider it would look better. I'm sure we'll get used to the 09 cars ... :

[D82]

Originally posted by president evil
Some may even say the 1982 Ferrari was terrible.

1982 Ferrari 126 C2

[kar]

I like the formula bmws

[Tenmantaylor]

From the pictures Ive seen I think the comparison is much more offensive to the FBMW.

[MonzaOne]

The cars of the past few years ahve been the ugliets since the advent of monoqocue chassis'. They are not aircraft but cars and the cars now look like racing cars once again rather than aircraft adapted for road use.

It was the safety features that began the move away from truly pretty cars.

We have moved back top racing cars and those that DO consider the current crop ugly are surely relative new to the sport - over the past 10 years or so.

Wake up.

[antrock]

i cannot give my vote, since i haven't seen any 2009 contenders yet!!!

[Welsh]

Its far too early to judge to be honest - I would take until the car launches next year..... Even the BMW car will be more refined by then........ and they not that really different from the 1998 cars, only the rear wing is smaller.

[Jim Mango]

It seems to me that when the FIA came up with these regulations, they didn't put any thought into how it would affect the IMAGE of the sport. To me, the new (albeit hybrid cars at the moment) just look embarrassing.

Also, it is going to be seriously easy to lose a front wing at the first corner, or in any overtaking move really, thus taking away from the objective of increasing overtaking. As we have heard in the technical commentary recently, the new slick tyre are going to enhance the front end grip more than the rear, so perhaps there is leeway to reduce the width of the front wing?

Jim

[potmotr]

I posted this in another thread, but....

Formula Palmer Audi's look of the present...


BMW's look of the future...

[engel]

First of all ... in terms of proportions we ve seen the 09 aero packages and how it will look. Yeah ok they might loose the boxy fw endplates on the BMW but proportion-wise that's how big the front wing will be relative to the rear.

And yes cars are ugly, especially light color scheme cars like BMW/Honda etc, the giant white front wings draw way too much focus, I think visually the darker cars will look better ... and tbh technical reqs are pretty much set, there isnt room to change them now, and nor would the teams welcome a change considering most if not all teams have logged hundreds of wind tunnel hours figuring out their 09 aero package

[Risil]

http://gallery.autos.../image/IMG_4783

Another Formula BMW right here. To be honest, I don't know what they watched pre-2005, but it wasn't F1.

[myF1dream]

One of my favourites is the JPS lotus, that got the styling right along with many of the classic coopers, ferraris, bugattis and many many more from the past.

The new look is way to boxey and seems to be lacking curves or sharp lines to suit.

Perhaps they want rear wing sponsors to be more noticable.

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[myF1dream]

I thought we weren't actually allowed close moves any more, I thought that incurred a two place penalty. So why oh why do this to the cars, is it Delta3 and CVC trying to make it all cheaper as they are now in big trouble.

myf1dream - we want back the good ol'days

[aditya-now]

Originally posted by D82


1982 Ferrari 126 C2

Originally posted by myF1dream
One of my favourites is the JPS lotus, that got the styling right along with many of the classic coopers, ferraris, bugattis and many many more from the past.

And: the McLaren MP4/4 of 1988









I am appalled by the new looks of F1 in 2009, but, yeah right, of course we will get used to it....

[Henri Greuter]

I thought the current IRL cars being butt-ugly single seaters.
But compared with what we're gonna get from next year on, the IRL Dallara is a princess of prettyness.

Unbelievable that the rule makers can't come up with anything better looking then this......
You only have to look back in the past for inspiration and what worked well then....


Henri

[metz]

Who cares what it looks like.
Does it go faster...

[connerz]

Thought the whole point of the design was to make it not go faster.

[Ferrim]

WTF?

People were complaining about the bits in the cars and now they are complaining about not having bits in the cars?

I hope those are not the same people... :

[Atreiu]

This is an insult to F-BMW.

[cas422]

I got hammered the last time I said this in another thread, but these are the ugliest generation of cars I've ever seen. I can't imagine, given the time and brainpower thrown at this problem, they couldn't have come up with a less aesthetically challenged solution to passing.
I also don't understand the people who are seeing similarities to the sleek cars of the early '90s. They were lower, wider, smoother, and the aerodynamics looked like all belonged on the same car. They had flow. These things just look weird.

[shonguiz]

Why don't you wait to see real 2009 cars before making zillions of thread about how **** they look ?

[potmotr]

Originally posted by shonguiz
Why don't you wait to see real 2009 cars before making zillions of thread about how **** they look ?

Because, no matter how interim the cars are, it's clear the width/height of the front and rear wings won't be changing.

And, IMO, that makes the cars look utterly awful, no matter how much they are subsequently dressed up.

[Clatter]

Originally posted by myF1dream
Who thinks that the New look F1 2009 cars actually look no different to a formula BMW. Where has all the sleek looks and lines and fins gone.

We are already getting more thrilling racing, if I want to watch extremely close racing then I will watch F3. If I want to watch the most desirable and fastest cars racing then its F1 all the way.

Who's decision is it to stick with the ridiculous rear spoiler and the front wing isn't much better.

Not sure about getting my 2009 model F1 diecasts next year.

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Think I'll wait until the 2009 cars are have actually been unveiled first.

[Atreiu]

Originally posted by cas422
(...)I also don't understand the people who are seeing similarities to the sleek cars of the early '90s. They were lower, wider, smoother, and the aerodynamics looked like all belonged on the same car. They had flow. These things just look weird.

Neither do I see any similarities.

http://www.nigelmans.../racing/f1a.jpg

[potmotr]

Originally posted by Atreiu


Neither do I see any similarities.

http://www.nigelmans.../racing/f1a.jpg

Neither. Low and wide vs tall and narrow.

[lustigson]

The new cars aren't THAT ugly, it's just the BMW Sauber, with it's square nose. The Williams in 2009-trim looks OK to me, as does the Honda with '09 front wing. It'll take a little getting used to, but that's it.

Originally posted by cas422
These things just look weird.

That's because the cars the teams are currently running, aren't designed for the 2009 regulations. They're 2008 cars with just the 2009 aero-bits. Expect the 2009 cars to be a little prettier. Although not as pretty as this...

[Pingguest]

Originally posted by D82


1982 Ferrari 126 C2

Yeah, the Ferrari 126 C2 and Lotus 92 (both from 1982) are the most beautiful cars ever made.

[Slyder]

tbh, I thought that the Ferrari 126 c2 is a shitty looking car; liked the Williams FW8 better.

But both cars are better looking than that BMW Sauber...

[OssieFan]

I think the BMW is fugly but then again it's an interim car, hopefully the finished contenders will be a bit nicer. It could also be a thing of progression, e.g. the '96 cars, IMO, were pretty ugly with the newly introduced raised sidepods but over the next few years they looked better and less clumsy. Same in 1998 with the narrower cars which just looked ********.

[aditya-now]

Contrast this:






with this:








Which one looks like a racing car, which one looks like an excavator?


Your verdict?

[craftverk]

Originally posted by MonzaOne
The cars of the past few years ahve been the ugliets since the advent of monoqocue chassis'. They are not aircraft but cars and the cars now look like racing cars once again rather than aircraft adapted for road use.

It was the safety features that began the move away from truly pretty cars.

We have moved back top racing cars and those that DO consider the current crop ugly are surely relative new to the sport - over the past 10 years or so.

Wake up.

Why should driver safety be compromised for your enjoyment?

Honestly, those who grew up with a certain era of F1 car are probably going to like them more than others. In ten years time you'll be seeing people who will regard the 'aircraft' look as the definition of a racing car.

I'm sorry, but the 09 cars don't look fast at all, infact they look rather clumsy and primitive, like something a 5 year-old designed in 5 minutes. Surely, an F1 car shouldn't ever be considered like that.

[MonzaOne]

Originally posted by craftverk

Why should driver safety be compromised for your enjoyment?

Honestly, those who grew up with a certain era of F1 car are probably going to like them more than others. In ten years time you'll be seeing people who will regard the 'aircraft' look as the definition of a racing car.

I'm sorry, but the 09 cars don't look fast at all, infact they look rather clumsy and primitive, like something a 5 year-old designed in 5 minutes. Surely, an F1 car shouldn't ever be considered like that.

I never said that - all I stated was that compared to cars of previous years, the cars over the past 10 years because of safety changes were ugly.

Secondly, any driver that overtly worries about his safety should perhaps consider another line of work. Stirling Moss in an interview some months ago says it best.

Furthermore, the concern about driver safety in the public domain should not be relevant - but these days with nanny government and political correctness, individual decision is not sacrosanct any longer.

I disagree with you aesthetc comment on racing cars and recommend studying motor racing history as a reference.

If any cars looked less like f1 racing cars, it WAS those of 2008.

[Jedi_F1]

Originally posted by shonguiz
Why don't you wait to see real 2009 cars before making zillions of thread about how **** they look ?

Exactly!!!

[giacomo]

Formula One survived worse periods.

[Bluesmoke]

I need to get one of these to clear my driveway from the snow this winter.

See, it's brilliant. I'd heat up the tires and when the snow gets scouped up by the front wing, that snow will fall on the hot tires and evaporate!

[MonzaOne]

Originally posted by Ferrim
WTF?

People were complaining about the bits in the cars and now they are complaining about not having bits in the cars?

I hope those are not the same people... :

The term cars I think is too general. I always hated the aerodynamic furniture. The car itself and those of the future or past have never been a problme for me.

[ClubmanGT]

Originally posted by aditya-now
Contrast this:



with this:



Which one looks like a racing car, which one looks like an excavator?

Your verdict?

See, I thought this was what we were going back to. That is easily one of the best looking F1 cars ever made.

[Risil]

Originally posted by ClubmanGT


See, I thought this was what we were going back to. That is easily one of the best looking F1 cars ever made.

Those venturi tunnels with modern aerodynamics on the bodywork would be a massacre.

[craftverk]

When it comes to basic aero I think the Ferrari 641 is overrated. The 643 looks much better imo:



Sleekness at its very best.

[pingu666]

modern tyres are in different preportion to the old classic era . i think that contributes abit too the weirdness. and you cant regress safety, you can maybe hold it back tho.

while i dont really like the high cockpit sides, there is something special about the driver being embedded and cocooned inside the car.

[tom]

Well, if its got slick's instead of those boring looking grooved tyres, then it looks fine to me.
I'm sure Villeneuve will be scrambling trying to get back in f1 with slick tyres, and Hakkinen and Schumacher too.
Looking forward to 2009 more than any year since the schumi/mika battles in 2000.
But yep that rear wing does look a bit odd, but slicks are back so who cares.

[Andy35]

Perhaps the large size of the front wing is exacerbated by the more narrow rear, so it becomes even more out of proportion to our eyes and "wrong" ? Reminds me a bit of the 30+ years ago when the rear wing was about 6 feet above the cars on two garden canes. Just after that era a lot of the cars were not very attractive but they were all different ( hink 1973-1977) as the designers did it by eye rather than computer and did the suck it and see approach. The huge variety of shapes was very appealing and something we have lost now to a large extent, even though some of them were ugly. I have to confess that with my TV I was always mistaking the Force India for the McLaren last year.

On what is a good looking racing car although the Ferrari's on previous posts are nice I still think the Le Mans type cars from the 1960's up to the Jaguar XJR of the 1980's were a lot more macho and sexy.

Regards

Andy