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[Steffe Ornerdal]

In the 80’s, the Volkswagen Formula 3 engine was very successful.
But who did the tuning?
My sources differs... for the most succesfull driver, John Nielsen, I have:
Schrick
Brabham
Spiess
Judd
Seymaz
Volkswagen Motorsport
+ various combinations of all above

Was it the same engine, a form of badging? What was the difference from each tuner?

[simonlewisbooks]

Originally posted by Steffe Ornerdal
In the 80’s, the Volkswagen Formula 3 engine was very successful.
But who did the tuning?
My sources differs... for the most succesfull driver, John Nielsen, I have:
Seymaz

Don't remember this one. Sounds like a play on words ('Same As')...but may not be of course.

[Steffe Ornerdal]

Simon, look here:

http://www.seymaz.ch...le=presentation

[cosworth bdg]

Originally posted by Steffe Ornerdal
In the 80’s, the Volkswagen Formula 3 engine was very successful.
But who did the tuning?

Brabham

Judd

These versions were used in Australian Fomula 2 in the 1980/90's and both version's by the same builder , Engine Developments [ JUDD ]

[Lee Nicolle]

These engines were all based on the VW Golf engine.
Reputedly some versions had some fairly trick cylinder head castings that raised the ports higher than factory VW. These engines were quite succesfull though in the end became handgrenades as they were very powerfull and highly stressed.
I an sure that Cosworth BDG would have a fairly good idea!

[cosworth bdg]

Originally posted by cosworth bdg
These versions were used in Australian Fomula 2 in the 1980/90's and both version's by the same builder , Engine Developments [ JUDD ]

And by the way, they are now eligible for historics downunder...

[simonlewisbooks]

Originally posted by Steffe Ornerdal
Simon, look here:

http://www.seymaz.ch...le=presentation

Well well. We learn something new every day, as the saying goes. I can't read most of the website but it looks as if they have some involvement with the Pagani Zonda engine?

[fines]

The first Volkswagen F3 was built by Siegfried Spiess in Stuttgart, and debuted in a March with Helmut Henzler doing the driving, 1979. Spiess continued to build F3 engines, later he also did Opels iirc, but I cannot recall any details w/o research.

Volkswagen Motorsport in Hanover was a direct VW subsidary, I believe it was the former FVE (Formel-V-Europa). I don't think they did any tuning, though, it was mainly the "office". VM engines were built by Engine Developments in England, and those engines were also known as Brabham, or Judd.

Seymaz is the famous Swiss manufacturer of motorcycle sidecars and engines. I believe the name comes from the village where Éric Vuagnat, the man behind Seymaz, lived (lives?).

Schrick (in Remscheid) I don't recall as an F3 tuner, other than mid-seventy BMWs and Renaults a little later.

[jcurran]

These versions were used in Australian Fomula 2 in the 1980/90's and both version's by the same builder , Engine Developments [ JUDD ]

G'day all,

Can anyone shed any light on the specs of the Aus F2 version of this engine? I'm interested in how they were built and what (if any) stock components were utilsied etc.

Thanks.

[Lee Nicolle]

G'day all,

Can anyone shed any light on the specs of the Aus F2 version of this engine? I'm interested in how they were built and what (if any) stock components were utilsied etc.

Thanks.

Contact Bill Hansen engine developments at Norwood South Aust as he built some very good Golfs for F2 or Ian Richards at Ian Richards Transmissions at Norwood who used Hansen engines and built the Richards F2 that won [I think] the 84 title.

[flightlessbird]

AF2 VW Engines

Basic modifications.
Ported cylinder head, either Heron type or conventional chambers
Highlift camshaft
Forged pistons
Billet conrods
Various crankshaft options, billet,cast,forged and different strokes
2x 48 mm Webers
Rev to 8500 as per regulations

[redgts]

ANF2

This was a class that I thought was interesting because it allowed a range of engines Datsun ,Nissan,Ford,Toyota,the one that dominated were the VW Golf especially the Judd units which I introduced, these were America super vee spec ,the later units were the F3 spec which were the GTI head worth about 5hp .some of the spec, for those interested, comp depending on spec 12.6- 13:1 cam lift .530, 195bhp @8-8500 and 133ftlbs @6000 .

[Alfie]

I seem to remember that Schrick had a low key dabble around the time when Speiss were the engine to have. A trick engine containing a different camshaft, supplied by Schrick was used by a leading F3 team who was in the next bay to my BTCC car. Trouble was at the time that so many engine tuners had their favourite teams that even if you bought an engine from the "leading" tuner, you were never 100% sure that what you got was the real deal.

With my being around at that time, it would put their involvement around 1987-89.

[jcurran]

ANF2

This was a class that I thought was interesting because it allowed a range of engines Datsun ,Nissan,Ford,Toyota,the one that dominated were the VW Golf especially the Judd units which I introduced, these were America super vee spec ,the later units were the F3 spec which were the GTI head worth about 5hp .some of the spec, for those interested, comp depending on spec 12.6- 13:1 cam lift .530, 195bhp @8-8500 and 133ftlbs @6000 .

G'day Redgts,

Thanks for your post. I'm obviously very interested in any specs and detailed info on these engines (the Golf that is). Do you have any other info regarding the specs of the Judd units?

Regards,

JC

[redgts]

ANF2

These engines pretty much race engines based on stock block and two valve head ,these also were about the only VW parts everything else was F1 quality race designed components ,and very advanced for the time like crank ignition, etc.Because of the favourable bore to stroke ratio the could rev hard and still produce useful power and torque .In the US they made the air cooled motors obsolete in super vee it seemed.