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[skid solo]

The latest offering from the Austrian world champion Lauda is that the present crop of drivers have no charisma compared to the likes of Prost, Senna and himself according the the daily telegraph.

Lauda, champion himself in 1975, 1977 and 1984, has claimed that the McLaren star is "boring" and lacks the charisma of past champions such as Prost, Senna or himself. The Austrian, who celebrated his sixtieth birthday on Sunday, has told The Telegraph that today's drivers have "no idea" and that "The only kind of charisma someone like Lewis Hamilton has is his (Pussycat Doll) girlfriend Nicole Scherzinger."

Seems to me he is jealous because he can't get it up anymore!

[Alfisti]

If Prost had charisma i'm a freakin eskimo.

[se7en_24]

Lauda was hardly interesting when compared to say James Hunt, what's his point.;)

[ensign14]

He does have a point, drivers are so much corpo-whores nowadays they're not allowed to have opinions that might upset Mr Delicate Sponsor. I mean, you had The Shunt, The Rat, The Rabbit, Mad Dog, Fletcher, Clay, Moco, Herman the German and Lole in the mid-70s...who nowadays has a non-BB-appended nickname? When David Coulthard is seen as the most rebellious amongst them you know it's a bland age.

[Lazarus II]

Originally posted by ensign14
He does have a point, drivers are so much corpo-whores nowadays they're not allowed to have opinions that might upset Mr Delicate Sponsor. I mean, you had The Shunt, The Rat, The Rabbit, Mad Dog, Fletcher, Clay, Moco, Herman the German and Lole in the mid-70s...who nowadays has a non-BB-appended nickname? When David Coulthard is seen as the most rebellious amongst them you know it's a bland age.

It's a business.

[bankoq]

Oh, c'mon! There really isn't anything more interesting to talk about than Lewis' charisma?

[Arion]

sounds like he really likes Nicole

[}{arlequin]

i agree. bring back james hunt!! (and irvine)

it's the reason i liked jv. he was not one to toe the line and act like an automaton

[ensign14]

Originally posted by Lazarus II

It's a business.

The crazy thing is surely it would be more attractive to the market? Yet Red "Rebellious" Bull don't even allow individual helmet designs...

[hunnylander]

It was said originally to the Austrian Profil magazine, and obviously in German.

Anyway, since then...

Lauda clarifies Hamilton 'no charisma' comments:
http://www.crash.net...a_comments.html

[lukywill]

It's old news but basically he said that the big problem is that drivers are too young these days and therefor bland.

[Anomnader]

Originally posted by ensign14
He does have a point, drivers are so much corpo-whores nowadays they're not allowed to have opinions that might upset Mr Delicate Sponsor.

erm, I thought lewis upset loads of people with his comments all the time

[Risil]

Originally posted by Anomnader


erm, I thought lewis upset loads of people with his comments all the time

On this board, yes. I don't think Vodafone or Johnny Walker particularly care whether he thinks he's better than Senna or not.

[lukywill]

Originally posted by Anomnader


erm, I thought lewis upset loads of people with his comments all the time

I for one. Always get sleepy after his tv's appearances.
But it's not really Hamilton it's basically every current driver. I don't even bother to read q&a's anymore.

Always read Pat Simonds answers on the other way.

[lukywill]

'better than senna', i have balls', etc - a bit childish indeed.

[MichaelPM]

This must be breaking news to anyone who has not heard one of his interviews.

[Man of the race]

Nikipedia rules. I am not going to critisize current drivers since they are apparently paid and educated to be "hollow", but maybe f.ex. Lewis is a little bit plasticy compared to those old drivers. If he were to say something like that then the appearance would change like with Niki, Rosberg, DC... I don't remember any good phrases from the last year, except the classic "thriathlon challenge" from Jenson maybe. Were there others?

[Direct Drive]

Niki Lauda's been a loudmouthed and uncouth idiot since about the day he retired.
Keep your mouth closed champ, you've done enough damage.

[undersquare]

Originally posted by lukywill
'better than senna', i have balls', etc - a bit childish indeed.

Not as childish as pretending he said things he didn't, in order to criticise him.

And as soon as he really does say something out of the PR/PC box, being openly competitive or something like the balls comment, instead of having a grin about it all the bashers with their own excess negativity jump on it for ever after as some heinous crime. You're the ones who have trained the drivers to keep to the script or say nothing at all.

[craftverk]

Originally posted by lukywill
'better than senna', i have balls', etc - a bit childish indeed.

Talking of Brazil, there was a recent story quoting you as saying you felt you were better now than Ayrton Senna – was that true?

"I never said that – and I definitely wouldn't say it about Ayrton because he's my favourite driver. I think he's the best driver there ever was and, to this day, I still don't believe anyone would beat him. If I could achieve just a small part of what he's achieved, it would be a dream for me.
"

[red stick]

Originally posted by ensign14
When David Coulthard is seen as the most rebellious amongst them you know it's a bland age.

And alas, even he's gone.

[jesee]

I agree with knick

lounder!


Nicole is more interesting...he he

[whatto999]

Originally posted by Arion
sounds like he really likes Nicole

Who doesn't ?

[Anomnader]

Originally posted by whatto999


Who doesn't ?

Does nothing for me.

[pingu666]

on the plus side, he is slightly more interesting incar

[giacomo]

Lauda himself was pretty un-charismatic when he was some 23 years old.

[giacomo]

Originally posted by skid solo

The Austrian, who celebrated his sixtieth birthday on Sunday, has told The Telegraph that today's drivers have "no idea" and that "The only kind of charisma someone like Lewis Hamilton has is his (Pussycat Doll) girlfriend Nicole Scherzinger."

The charisma of a cheap and slutty pole dancer. :

[AndreasF1]

Lauda was charismatic enough to impress Enzo. Not only that, how does someone with his first full year in F1 having failed as miserable as Lauda has in his March days find another seat at BRM if he had no charismatic ability?

[Nobody]

I find Kimi extremely charismatic

[giacomo]

Originally posted by AndreasF1
Lauda was charismatic enough to impress Enzo. Not only that, how does someone with his first full year in F1 having failed as miserable as Lauda has in his March days find another seat at BRM if he had no charismatic ability?

Nope, he was fast enough to impress old Enzo. And it was borrowed money that bought him the BRM seat.

Mixing up charisma with ability is a major mistake.

[AndreasF1]

You still need to sell yourself, and speed was not the only indicator. There were faster drivers on the market at the time. What Lauda demonstrated was enourmous maturity for a 23 year old coupled with a high level of intelligence and the ability to convince engineers to make adjustments to a car that would otherwise be laughed off. Charisma is the ability to sell yourself to others, and Lauda had plenty! Not beeing able to recognize charisma when clearly present indicates lack of social intelligence.

[giacomo]

This is the first time I hear that charisma is the ability to sell yourself to others. Until I read your astonishing post I thought that charisma is personal magnetism or charm.

This your definition makes prostitutes very charismatic persons, right?

[AndreasF1]

Definition of charisma according to Webster:

1 : a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader)
2 : a special magnetic charm or appeal

I think we are both correct.

[giacomo]

Originally posted by AndreasF1
Definition of charisma according to Webster:

1 : a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader)
2 : a special magnetic charm or appeal

I think we are both correct.

I am missing

3: the ability to sell yourself to others.


So I think that you are wrong.

[AndreasF1]

And an even better one:

Although difficult or even impossible to define accurately (due to an abundance of wildly diverse criteria in regard to the trait), charisma is often used to describe an elusive, even undefinable personality trait that often includes the seemingly 'supernatural' or uncanny ability to lead, charm, persuade, inspire, and/or influence people. It refers especially to a quality in certain people who easily draw the attention and admiration (or even hatred if the application of such charisma is perceived to be negative) of others due to a 'magnetic' quality of personality and/or appearance. Related terms and phrases include: grace, exuberance, equanimity, mystique, positive energy, joie de vivre, extreme charm, personal magnetism, personal appeal, "electricity," and allure, among many others[1]. Usually many of these specific qualities must be present within a single individual for the person to be considered highly charismatic by the public and their peers.


So the ability to "sell" yourself to others would be to persuade and inspire and influence others to go with your ideas. By definition you are doing injustice to Lauda by claiming that he didn't have it.

[AndreasF1]

Giacomo we all know that you are a genius.

[giacomo]

Thanks for teaching me that charisma is the ability to sell yourself to others, and thanks for pointing out my lack of social intelligence.

[AndreasF1]

at least you learned something today

[gerry nassar]

Nicole is indeed hot. But I suspect his pro-Nicole comments also come because she is half Austrian!

Love the DC comment from ensign though

[senna da silva]

Originally posted by giacomo

The charisma of a cheap and slutty pole dancer. :

I don't think that's fair to Nicole at all. She's worked very hard to have her career and although she may not be Ella Fitzgerald she's hardly a cheap and slutty pole dancer. Perhaps she doesn't fit into your religious views of a righteous enough person but in my view she is a successful independant woman.

[giacomo]

Originally posted by senna da silva

Perhaps she doesn't fit into your religious views of a righteous enough person but in my view she is a successful independant woman.

My religious views? Where did I talk about me being religious?

I just think that doing some on-stage lip-syncing while shaking your half-naked ass is no special accomplishment.

Nothing to do with my religion.

[giacomo]

A woman of some 30 years who talks and gestures like a 13 years old schoolgirl.

[senna da silva]

Originally posted by giacomo

My religious views? Where did I talk about me being religious?

You didn't but why else would you think you're so morally superior?

[Bernd Rosemeyer]

Originally posted by giacomo

The charisma of a cheap and slutty pole dancer. :

Aren't you mixing her with Hakkinen's girlfriend?

[potmotr]

Lauda is always saying **** like that.

No big deal, a throw away quote.

[Ivan]

Originally posted by giacomo
A woman of some 30 years who talks and gestures like a 13 years old schoolgirl.

That was really pathetic...

[potmotr]

Why is Lewis's girlfriend any more significant that Massa's partner? Kimi's wife? Heikki's girlfriend? Fernando's wife? Nick Heidfeld's partner? Etc etc? I mean, Mark Webber is 32. His partner Anne is nearly 50 years old. Is that being debated here? No. Leave Lewis and Nicole alone.

[Raziel]

Originally posted by potmotr
Why is Lewis's girlfriend any more significant that Massa's partner? Kimi's wife? Heikki's girlfriend? Fernando's wife? Nick Heidfeld's partner? Etc etc? I mean, Mark Webber is 32. His partner Anne is nearly 50 years old. Is that being debated here? No. Leave Lewis and Nicole alone.

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[as65p]

Originally posted by potmotr
Why is Lewis's girlfriend any more significant that Massa's partner? Kimi's wife? Heikki's girlfriend? Fernando's wife? Nick Heidfeld's partner? Etc etc? I mean, Mark Webber is 32. His partner Anne is nearly 50 years old.

Easy answer.

Those women don't shout at us with a way too high voice on the tele....

;)

[Anomnader]

thank god testing resumes next week.