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[Elford68]

Hi

There's my 1st DB entry with article, about Keith O'dor:

http://www.mediafire...04e75f6e8ebb871

[RS2000]

Do you mean Kieth Odor? (nothing opens for me using link above).

[Paul Taylor]

Well, you've done it in docx format for one, which anyone without Office 07 won't be able to open!!!

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by Paul Taylor
Well, you've done it in docx format for one, which anyone without Office 07 won't be able to open!!!

Or OpenOffice 3.0 ....;)

[Paul Taylor]

Forgot about that...honestly.

Elford, can't you copy the information you have into the thread rather than making everyone download a file?

[Elford68]

* Kieth O’dor (GB):
b. 5/4/1962 (Salisbury); d. 11/9/1995 (Berlin, D)
- Son of János Ódor from Janspeed

1980s - Began career in rallying;
1987 - British Production Saloon Car Championship - 2000cc Class Champion (Peugeot 205);
1989 - British Production Saloon Champion (Ford Sierra Cosworth), 11 wins;
1990 - British Group N Saloon Champion (JanSpeed Nissan Skyline GT-R);
1991 - BTCC (JanSpeed Nissan Primera eZX);
1992 – BTCC (JanSpeed Nissan Primera eGT), 12th;
1993 - BTCC (JanSpeed Nissan Primera eGT), 6th;
1994 - BTCC (JanSpeed Nissan Primera eGT),15th;
1995 – STW (scuderia Italia Nissan Primera eGT), 10th, 1 win;

Keith O’dor was born at Salisbury, Wiltshire at 5th of April, 1962. Son of János Ódor, an Hungarian man that came to England in 1957, after his native country’s invasion by the Soviet Army, following an uprising against the Communists, in order to keep Hungary under the Warsaw Pact. It was his Hungarian ascent that made his name being misspelled along all his career. His correct name was Ódor, later simplified to Odor, but in his later career, he had in his card O’dor, as we know him nowadays. At the interviews, he said, joking, that he changed it to look Irish.
He started racing in British rallies in the middle 80’s and became known for the general public after switching the mud for the race tracks of the British Saloon Car Championship in 1987. In that year, he won his first title, the 2000cc Class Championship. After a less-succeeded 1988 year, he won the Production Championship in 1989 with a Ford Sierra, winning 11 races! Next year, he won the Group N title with a Nissan engaged by JanSpeed, the team created by his father. For the remaining of his short life, he always stood with Nissan.
With 29 years old, he raced for the first time at BTCC series. With Nissan’s tuned by his father, he raced till 1994. Although he wasn’t a driver with many great results, he was very fearless and determined and many times outpaced his teammates with a bad car, although he was quite irregular. He suffered with the poor performances of the Nissan those years, although he was 6th at the BTCC final standings in 1993, grabbing a win at the Silverstone’s British F1 Grand Prix support race. The year before, he suffered one of the most spectacular BTCC’s accidents; at Donington, he lost the control of the car, left the track and took of, passing over a security fence. He escaped unharmed.
At the end of 1994, Nissan withdrawl from BTCC but he kept with the manufacturer, driving at German STW series for the Scuderia Italia team, with Ivan Capelli. The car wasn’t the best in the series, but it was improving during the year and, in September, he won the 1st race for the team at AVUS 1st race of the meeting. He was running 3rd and battling for the lead at the 2nd race when the Nissan suffered a front left suspension failure or a front left tyre explosion at the 23rd lap. The Nissan crshed at the wall, spun and stopped at the middle of the track. The first drivers behind him managed to avoid his car, although Altfrid Heger touched him slightly. Sadly, Frank Biela failed, although he tried to brake hard, he hit O’dor, “T-boning” him. Because of his English driving experience, he was driving a right-hand drive car and suffered the full impact. The damage was clearly visible and O’dor was evacuated to a Berlin hospital, after 30 minutes to extract him from the car remains. Suffering of massive head and other internal injuries, beyond some broken bones, Kieth O’dor passed away in the early morning the following day.

* References:
- Speedsport Magazine
- Motorsport Memorial
- Suite101: http://autoracing.su....cfm/kieth_odor
- Motorsport.com
- The FASTLANE Forum
- 10 Tenths Forum

[Elford68]

I have images but i can't paste them

[Paul Taylor]

[Greatest]

[Elford68]

http://docs.google.c...3a9231510&hl=en


I think I've solved the problem

[Elford68]

So, what you think?

[Paul Taylor]

Sign in to Google Docs with your
Google Account

[Elford68]

Forget it, about the article I posted

[Paul Taylor]

Well, it's good, but a discussion forum isn't the right place to post something like that, because there's nothing to discuss, hence why it's dropped off the first page of the forum.............

Why don't you put it on a website somewhere?

[Elford68]

I think that the objective is to get more info

[David McKinney]

As someone said earlier, ask specific questions and we'll see if we can answer them

[RS2000]

Please please no "racing in British rallies"!
I know most other languages tend to lead to translating rallying as a form of racing but that is heresy to both disciplines in the UK!
Kieth rallied in the later phase of the (1300cc) "Astra Challenge" when Mk2s were introduced. His car was in red/white/blue Janspeed colours and people I know who competed against him are all very complimentary about him being a "nice guy".

[Allen Brown]

Are you Kevin Guthrie?

You appear to have just recycled his article on http://autoracing.su....cfm/kieth_odor

And failed to even understand it. The apostrophe was a joke.

[Richard Jenkins]

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Are you Kevin Guthrie?

You appear to have just recycled his article on http://autoracing.su....cfm/kieth_odor

And failed to even understand it. The apostrophe was a joke.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Kevin is a TNF'r - kevthedrummer.


To be fair to Elford, he has given credit to Kev's article in the sources he links to, but it doesn't really vary differently, which it probably needs to do.

Elford68, I too am completely confused by what you are trying to do? You sent me two vague emails about WATN, which I replied to, asking for more information & you didn't even have the courtesy to reply, let alone elaborate.

I appreciate your English might not be very good, but perhaps tell us what your native language is & perhaps we can adapt or point you in the right direction.

[Elford68]

OK, I present my project in portuguese. And I answered you, sorry but the messages hadn't arrived

[Elford68]

Here are my ideia in portuguese, I hope it is more understandable:



Vou explicar a minha ideia:

- em primeiro lugar, o objectivo base é criar uma base de dados sobre automobilismo. Nessa base de dados incluem-se fotos, vídeos, artigos, excertos, palmares individual e resultados. Na ideia surgiu-me depois de ver todo o material disponível na internet visto que, se este for correctamente utilizado, e com a contribuição devida de outros coleccionadores, poder-se-ia facilmente criar um grande conjunto de informação completa e acessível a TODAS as pessoas a partir da internet. Embora seja coleccionador, o facto de viver em Portugal limita bastante o acesso a material bibliográfico, vídeos, entre outros sobre a historia do automobilismo mundial. Eu tenho uma quantidade razoável de livros e vídeos e algumas revistas, tudo o mais e recolhido da internet. Por isso é que considero ser possível a longo prazo criar esta base de dados.

- é possível desenvolver a base de dados GEL Motorsport, o que eu tenho feito (Roberto Guerrero e Gregor Foitek), de modo a melhorar esta e a expandi-la para la dos pilotos de F1, adicionando-lhe algum detalhe. Cada piloto teria a sua ficha, que consistiria no palmarés, algumas fotos e um resumo razoável da sua vida e carreira, não certamente extensivo (isso seria para um livro), mas que cubra vários aspectos sobre cada piloto. Como exemplo, temos os artigos sobre os pilotos das revistas MOTORSPORT e L’AUTOMOBILE HIsTORIQUE e os do site F1 REJECTS. Cada um destes artigos teria uma referencia para saber mais (referindo revistas e livros, assim como outro material)

- o mesmo plano poderia ser aplicado para os circuitos. Partindo da base de dados dos sites Etracks, MOTOR RACING CIRCUITS E GEL MOTORSPORT, seria possível melhorar e tornar mais conciso todos os dados sobre as pistas. Mais uma vez, um artigo e fotos deveriam acompanhar cada uma, assim como vídeos e eventualmente um desenho 3D.

Espero que assim seja mais esclarecedor. Agradecia todas as ideias que me quiserem dar.


Seria também bastante útil uma maior interacção com outros sites, tal como os fórum Aerogi, FASTLANE, 10 TENTHS e TBK FAMEFLAME, o que permitiria um intercambio de informações.

Julgo também que devo acrescentar que não considero problema o intercambio de material, tal como paginas de livros e revisas para uso privado, isto e, troca desse material apenas por email e sem publicação posterior, para não inflingir regras de copyright.

- para melhorar os resultados, poder-se ia recorrer a vários modelos, entre os quais os do site F2 REGISTER, o que iria permitir um arquivamento mais conciso dos resultados e resumos das provas. Neste site, eu dei a ideia de catalogar todos os pilotos de cada época (comecei pela F2 de 1982) e acrescentar comentários as equipas,assim como um desenho de cada carro, pelo que pedi um designer gráfico. O modelo mantem-se como o referido acima, incluindo o artigo, fotos e referencias.

[Richard Jenkins]

Re. Elford's post above:

Basically what he wants is a big database in which the basic facts are accompained by videos, articles etc - the aim being that with help, a great set of complete and accessible information to ALL could easily be created the people from the Internet.

Every driver would have a page with summary of his career, photos, information, articles etc. Also the same could be done for tracks, with data, articles & photos.



I said the following to the above: (anyone want to suggest any other options?)




I can't help thinking though, that this is already on the web - www.forix.com - run by a Portuguese as it happens.

However there is scope for articles/videos etc to be added. But as to this part of what you want to do - some photos, info, reasonable summary of his life & career - both FORIX & Historic Racing.com do cover this extremely well. I guess my WATN page isn't quite right as it veers off into a different area all together.

I personally feel you would be better off adding new bits of information, where you have it - like articles etc to sites like FORIX, Darren Galpin's site (which has tracks included), historic racing - Champ Car.stats etc because to be honest the databases are already there, they perhaps just need amending - if of course, the graphic package allows articles & videos within the framework of what is already there.

I'm not sure people will be keen to start a new database from scratch as it is extremely time-consuming & hard work & logisitically difficult - perhaps an adaption to what is already existing might be better.

That's what I honestly think, but see what you think. I think you do need to be more descriptive with your requests - ie. with Jackie Pretorius - "I would like more info about him" - what, precisely? A bit more description from you gives us a lot more to go on.

[Elford68]

My aim isn't to create a new website. Have you seen my updates to Guerrero and Foitek?

[Richard Jenkins]

Originally posted by Elford68
My aim isn't to create a new website. Have you seen my updates to Guerrero and Foitek?

No, Where is the link?

I am still confused then, as where would this database be - on GEL Motorsport? Are we adapting what's there with all the other extras you mentioned?

[Elford68]

I hope yes

[Elford68]

What you think about the updates I've already made?