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[martini908]

long time lurker on this forum, but thought I had better contribute something..

First ever event I was taken to (aged 3) - BOAC 1000 at Brands Hatch, started an interest in sportscar racing thas has stayed with me to this day. My Dad was an regular spectator as we only lived across the river in Essex. Anyway, I have started to get him to scan his thousands of slides into digital form and here is a taster...





























Just realised the Ferrari 312 must be possibly a later event ?, also the BMW2002 shows how much
safer touring car racing has become !

Regards -

[john winfield]

Brilliant photos! Thanks for posting them.

The 312P shots with Tim Schenken and Ronnie Peterson are from 1972 (love the mechanic with the Davy Crockett hat) as, I think, is the Gulf. I believe some others are from 1969 and some from 1970. I was there in '69, '70 and '72 but other more knowledgeable people will be able to confirm details.

John

[sterling49]

Great photos martini908, they evoke so many fantastic memories of the races that I attended when a tad younger. Love the one of Tim Schenken taking Ronnie for a drive in Enzo's finest, I hope you have a turbocharged scanner, cannot wait for the next instalment. The view back across the valley towards Ash village, has changed a bit from the time the Lotus 62 was taken, progress means the M20

Is that Francoise in the Matra?

[martini908]

Hi John - hadn't noticed the hat before !, also seems bobble hats were all the rage then....

anybody know what the strange chrome thingies are on top of the T70 ?

Cheers - JB

[martini908]

here's a few more..













I have a horrible feeling thats me in the background of the martini 908 flounder pic (red welly boots and bobble hat ! - never was a fashion victim )

cheers - JB

[Mistron]

Not as curious a sight as the Mk2 jag in the background which seems to have a front end body section on it's roof!

Wonerful photos!

[alansart]

Originally posted by martini908
I have a horrible feeling thats me in the background of the martini 908 flounder pic (red welly boots and bobble hat ! - never was a fashion victim )

Perfect clothing for a spring Brands Hatch:)

Great photos - These personal collections seem to get better and better

[john winfield]

JB - more good shots! We must have been following your Dad around in 1972....I have some photos somewhere of the Ferraris, the Joest/Casoni 908 i/c hat and the Gulf. I bet you'll have one somewhere of the quick Lolas, Chris Craft, Jo Bonnier etc.

I think that's Jonny Servoz-Gavin driving the Matra - Pescarolo was his team mate and it's not his green helmet. That's 1970, (I wish they'd come along in 1972!) with the Vic Elford/Denny Hulme Porsche 917 behind.

I didn't see that David Piper 917 as I think it had practice problems and never made the race in 1970. The 1969 908s are, I think, Elford/Attwood and Hermann/Stommelen. The Ferrari 512 at Druids in 1970 is the Loos/ Williams car which didn't race.

In the long 1972 Ferrari paddock shot - exotic the Brands paddock wasn't it? - do you see Jacky Ickx at the back, with Andretti I think? And maybe Peter Schetty?

The 1969 GT40 is the Montjuich car of Gordon Spice (is his book ready I wonder?) and Jose Juncadella.

John

[Tim Murray]

Originally posted by martini908

... anybody know what the strange chrome thingies are on top of the T70 ?

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic in the Mike de Udy thread

I've just come across the answer to the question about those things on the roof of the Lola. It's in Frank Gardner's (with DCN) Racing Driver's Manual.

"The venturi on the roof were Gardner-developed to suck cooling air through the cockpit."

[bradbury west]

Lovely shot, very rare I suspect, of Chris Barber's Piper GTT in period, in a much more agreeable shade of green compared with the shade of the restored item. Many thanks
Roger Lund

[sterling49]

Originally posted by bradbury west
Lovely shot, very rare I suspect, of Chris Barber's Piper GTT in period, in a much more agreeable shade of green compared with the shade of the restored item. Many thanks
Roger Lund

That was bugging me, I just could not remember the name of the Barber car.... how did it do in the race Roger? Another thing that I have forgotten

[john winfield]

I wondered what that was Roger - thank you.

JB, I wish I'd been at 1970 practice in the dry, before the deluge on race day! I've just been reading an article on that event and learned that Brian Redman and Jacky Ickx missed the second practice day to attend a test day at Le Mans. Does anyone know why such a test day would have been arranged on the same weekend as a World Championship race in which many of the cars and drivers would have had an obvious interest?

[EDWARD FITZGERALD]

beside the mk2 jag , the Piper equipe?

[Gregor Marshall]

Originally posted by john winfield
The 1969 GT40 is the Montjuich car of Gordon Spice (is his book ready I wonder?) and Jose Juncadella.

John

I'm told the Spice book is finished and in the printing process - the author might be reading this as he is a TNFer and he might comment - apologies for OT.

Great pictures though martini908, keep then coming!!

[john winfield]

Thanks for the update Gregor.

Going back to the BOAC...I remember in 1970 the huge shunt near the startline at the end of the first lap, which indirectly led to Pedro being black flagged. I hadn't realised though that Barrie Smith, in the Lola that crashed, was running with dry tyres on the back! Terrifying...he did well to complete one lap. The shortage of rain tyres, and consequent non-appearance of some cars on race day, conjures up a different era.

Did the Piper race in any of the BOAC events or are it, the Lotus and the #104 Lola from some other Brands sportscar race?

[sterling49]

Originally posted by john winfield

Did the Piper race in any of the BOAC events or are it, the Lotus and the #104 Lola from some other Brands sportscar race?

The Lotus ran in a couple of BOAC races, Brian Muir drove it one year, which one eludes me though, the 62 never conjured up the same "excitement" for me, as the fleet 47s

[Bjorn Kjer]

Post 13 , Eddie : Yes the Piper Ford and Bedford. See also picture 3 the nose of the Ford pick-up.

But what/who in the background ?

[bradbury west]

Can we identify the Shell BP racing services support trucks behind the 917? Possibly a coach bodied derivative of BMC FG400. It is also interesting to see the BMC rosette liveried - so obviously a franchised dealer - A55 van towing the maroon 105E out of the paddock. I thought it might be an Epps vehicle, always stalwart supporters of Brands, as was Harry himself in a variety of cars over the years, but the letters do not fit.

Sort out your cars and numbers from Martin's excellent site. Some readers may not be aware of this brilliant source of information
http://wsrp.ic.cz/wsc1969.html
Year at the top, click on underscored number at left side for event.

Roger Lund

[sterling49]

Looking closely Roger, that Austin van looks like it has "Crippspeed" on the side.....towing a Broadspeed Anglia, so maybe 1968 (Escorts parked over to the left also)

[martini908]

thanks for all the comments - i'm glad these pictures are of interest as the slides they are scanned from have
just been lying in boxes for years waiting to be seen again. My Dad was a bit of a petrolhead in his youth, having a mini traveller that had been tuned by savage (?). One memory I have is of being taken to the model car shop at Brands during the 1970 BOAC race and buying a fantastic solido model of the chapperal which I still have !. Also watching the Gulf 917 in the rain with Pedro passing everybody like they were going backwards.

I think my Dad also has a lot more sportscar slides - I know from at least most major events at brands from 67 - 75, also a lot of european touring car stuff including Group 5 BMW CSL's etc when they used to come over. Seem to remember a lot of Gr6 stuff and early group C as well

also some amazing pictures from f1 tyre testing at silverstone in the late early 80's taken in the pit lane.

I will try and get some more scanned and post when I can

Many thanks again - JB

[drivers71]

Lovely photos Martini, from a most wonderful series of races at Brands. Those BOACs are still in the top ten of all the races I've seen. The 1970 event, with full team entries by Porsche and Ferrari, being the best of them all.
Please scan some more!

PS: The ACO, organisers of Le Mans 24 Hours and test weekends, never even HAD any other race schedules, and certainly never took them into consideration. AND LONG MAY THEY CONTINUE NOT TO DO SO!

[jatwarks]

Ahhh, the BOAC 1000km (took me years to stop calling it the BOAC 500).

Some of the wettest meetings I've ever been to.

My main memory is of the river crossing Bottom Bend, and the efforts of the drivers to head towards South Bank, instead of backwards towards the infield.

Those drivers that lifted were much more likely to spin: Those who powered through the water had no problems with it. I think the water simply overwhelmed the tyre grooves, and spinning the wheels helped to clear it.

Excellent photos of a great era of racing.

Jim.

[Nordic]

Originally posted by martini908
here's a few more..

I have a horrible feeling thats me in the background of the martini 908 flounder pic (red welly boots and bobble hat ! - never was a fashion victim )

cheers - JB

a wonderful selection of photos. Please scan and post some more when possible.

everytime time I see images of races I went to as a child, I scan the crowd and background in the hope (dread?) that I can spot myself in a hand knitted jumper, bobble hat and flairs combo that would have my kids running for the hills and social services knocking on my door if I made them wear them now!

[Mr Plug]

Originally posted by jatwarks
Ahhh, the BOAC 1000km (took me years to stop calling it the BOAC 500).

Some of the wettest meetings I've ever been to.

My main memory is of the river crossing Bottom Bend, and the efforts of the drivers to head towards South Bank, instead of backwards towards the infield.

I have many memories too - but two in particular:
1. Standing with other trade guys at the back of the pits watching Pedro Rodriguez in the 917, sideways all the way from (what is now) Graham Hill to Surtees, and thus successfully holding back the equally sideways Elford and Siffert!
2. The awful, chilled atmosphere that descended on the pits when we heard the breaking news of Jim Clark's accident.

[Pedro 917]

Wonderful pictures !! And well preserved !
Thanks for sharing. As his name has been mentioned on a couple of occasions, any Rodriguez pictures?

[Andre Acker]

We want more ! We want more ! We want more ! We want more ! We wnat more !

Thanks for sharing this treasure !

André Acker.

[sterling49]

Originally posted by Mr Plug


I have many memories too - but two in particular:
1. Standing with other trade guys at the back of the pits watching Pedro Rodriguez in the 917, sideways all the way from (what is now) Graham Hill to Surtees, and thus successfully holding back the equally sideways Elford and Siffert!
2. The awful, chilled atmosphere that descended on the pits when we heard the breaking news of Jim Clark's accident.

I experienced these at Brands too, the race faded away for me, and, it was the 1st time that I cried for somebody that I had never met as a friend, but had seen so very often (at close quarters too) that I felt I knew him, the world of this (then) 14 year old had changed.

As for Pedro, sideways all the way down from Druids, as you say, along Bottom Straight, it was one of those days, you stood there with a grin on your face in awe and amazement, it is not often that anyone gets the chance to witness that level of skil

As Carlos has already requested Martini, any photos of Pedro on the lock stops?

[martini908]

I will have a look to see what slides there are of race day -will post some more once I can get them
scanned

cheers - JB

[Kevan]

Originally posted by martini908

I think my Dad also has a lot more sportscar slides - I know from at least most major events at brands from 67 - 75, also a lot of european touring car stuff including Group 5 BMW CSL's etc when they used to come over. Seem to remember a lot of Gr6 stuff and early group C as well

also some amazing pictures from f1 tyre testing at silverstone in the late early 80's taken in the pit lane.

I will try and get some more scanned and post when I can

Many thanks again - JB

You really have posted some wonderful images- I'm a little too young to share the memories of that period of sportscar racing, but that doesn't mean the pics are any less fascinating for me.

You mentioned early Group C? 956s, Lancias, Ford C100s? Yes please!!!!

[martini908]

OK here's a teaser of some F1 pics & some Gr5/6/C stuff - hope they are of interest





























more to come once I can get time to scan the negs

cheers - JB

[Andre Acker]

M A R V E L O U S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those Lotus' photos are sensational !

Do you have more photos from 1971 and 1972 BOAC 1000 kms ?

Many thanks and best regards !

André Acker.

[martini908]

Hi Andre - I am going to go through all the slides over the next few weeks to see whats there. If there are some more good shots I will post them up

many thanks - JB

[petestenning]

Is that the Kremer 917 that was built the ultra lightweight creation .?

Pete

[Alan Cox]

As everyone here agrees, JB, fabulous stuff. A pretty mean photographer, your dad, and all without the aid of a track pass!

For me, this was the cream of your first post:

Something about the casual nature and informality of it all.

[martini908]

yes the yellow 917 is the 'recreation' that the kremer brothers built and ran during the transition from Gr6 to GrC regs - it was allowed to run due to a loophole in the regs that a closed Gr6 car could be used as long as there was an opening in the roof !, so the kremer 917 was the only 917 to ever feature a sunroof !

I seem to remember it ran very well at the brands race and would have won but for a suspension failure late into the race.

Cheers - JB

[David Beard]

The winner in 71...

[Peter Darley]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by martini908
[B]long time lurker on this forum, but thought I had better contribute something..

First ever event I was taken to (aged 3) - BOAC 1000 at Brands Hatch, started an interest in sportscar racing thas has stayed with me to this day. My Dad was an regular spectator as we only lived across the river in Essex. Anyway, I have started to get him to scan his thousands of slides into digital form and here is a taster...



From L to R

Nigel Bennett Firestone

Gordon Huckle Lotus

Mike Brett Firestone

Bruce Hare Firestone

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[eurocardoc]

great pictures. Boy forgot how scary dangerous those F1 cars were back then!

I see Ferret (N. Stroud) looking over the lotus, was he involved with it or just spying (ferreting)?

[calex_fr]

Dear Mister,

Are you sure it was at Brands Hatch during BOAC ?
Do you know pilot name ?

Best regards

[martini908]

as far as i'm aware the bmw was crashed during a support race for the BOAC

i will have to try my dads memory to see if he can remember which year it was

thanks - JB

[sterling49]

Originally posted by martini908
as far as i'm aware the bmw was crashed during a support race for the BOAC

i will have to try my dads memory to see if he can remember which year it was

thanks - JB

I could be wrong martini, (and often am ) but I am not aware of any support races for the BOAC, the length of the race usually saw to that. Was it the ETC round in 1967 won by Dieter Basche and Hubert Hahne in a 2002 Turbo I wonder?

[sat]

ETC race was 1969

[raceannouncer2003]

Originally posted by calex_fr


Dear Mister,

Are you sure it was at Brands Hatch during BOAC ?
Do you know pilot name ?

Best regards

Maybe the car in the following photo link?

http://www.racingspo...9-05-25-071.jpg

From Frank de Jong's excellent site on touring car racing:

http://www.touringcarracing.net/

Guards International European 6 Hour Saloon Car Race
Brands Hatch International Circuit, Kent, Great-Britain
Date: 21/6/1969 to: 22/6/1969

DNF? Escuderia Nacional CS BMW 2002 TI Jorge de Bagration, E Helmut Zarges, D

What country's licence plate is on the crashed BMW?

Edit: Had a look. In 1969 ETCC events leading up to the Brands Hatch DNF, de Bagration raced a BMW 2002 TI. In 1969 ETCC events after Brands, he raced a Porsche 911. Hmmm....

Vince H.

[sterling49]

I was at the ETC race, I wandered around the track a couple of times, the tension at the end was great, would Ralph Broads beautiful 1,300 GT Escort win overall against the Turbo BMW, it nearly made it, just pipped at the chequered flag, looking at Frank's site, just 7 seconds behind, great stuff by Fitz and Craft Thanks for the link Vince

Edit: Licence Plate is German.

[drivers71]

Originally posted by Andre Acker
Do you have more photos from 1971 and 1972 BOAC 1000 kms ?

Many thanks and best regards !

André Acker.

1971 BOAC 1000km


Rodriguez/Oliver Porsche 917


Siffert/Bell Porsche 917


Muller/Hertzog Ferrari 512M

1972 BOAC 1000km (Better camera!)


Ferrari 312P lineup


Ickx/Andretti Ferrari 312P


Elford/Marko Alfa Romeo T33 TT


Lola T280 Wisell/Bonnier


Rolf Stommelen & Clay Regazzoni


Start of the pace lap.

[calex_fr]

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003


Maybe the car in the following photo link?

http://www.racingspo...9-05-25-071.jpg

From Frank de Jong's excellent site on touring car racing:

http://www.touringcarracing.net/

Guards International European 6 Hour Saloon Car Race
Brands Hatch International Circuit, Kent, Great-Britain
Date: 21/6/1969 to: 22/6/1969

DNF? Escuderia Nacional CS BMW 2002 TI Jorge de Bagration, E Helmut Zarges, D

What country's licence plate is on the crashed BMW?

Edit: Had a look. In 1969 ETCC events leading up to the Brands Hatch DNF, de Bagration raced a BMW 2002 TI. In 1969 ETCC events after Brands, he raced a Porsche 911. Hmmm....

Vince H.

Interesting, but I am not sure it was Jorge de Bagration at the wheel during this accident...


http://www.f1rejects.../biography.html

Perhaps Helmut Zarges ?

[calex_fr]

and if you are wright, the car two weeks after :

[Red Socks]

Originally posted by john winfield
Thanks for the update Gregor.

Going back to the BOAC...I remember in 1970 the huge shunt near the startline at the end of the first lap, which indirectly led to Pedro being black flagged. I hadn't realised though that Barrie Smith, in the Lola that crashed, was running with dry tyres on the back! Terrifying...he did well to complete one lap. The shortage of rain tyres, and consequent non-appearance of some cars on race day, conjures up a different era.

Did the Piper race in any of the BOAC events or are it, the Lotus and the #104 Lola from some other Brands sportscar race?

Best thing about the Barrie Smith Lola T 70 is that there are now no less than three cars running around in Historic and Vintage racing claiming the identity

[Alan Cox]

Originally posted by drivers71
Rolf Stommelen & Clay Regazzoni

....not forgetting Arturo Merzario in the white cap.....

[john winfield]

Drivers/Rich - great photos! Thanks.

I think that's Arturo Merzario standing behind Stommelen and Regazzoni..and you see that sleeve to the right with the same design as Rolf's Alfa jacket, that looks like Andrea de Adamich.

I don't know why but, in that photo, the man brushing his hair back looks familiar as does the spectator with the camera who could be Burmese (?). I have an eery sense of being back in that Paddock in 1972 because that just could be mop-haired, chubby cheeked me, aged 14, in the distance, peering over de Adamich's shoulder.

Sorry! Too slow with the Merzario note! The Alfas and Lolas look good by the way.