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[Des Piggott]

Hi all, I've just completed a two year restoration of a 1970 Elfin Type 500 Formula Vee and am about to apply for a Certificate of Description for Historic Log Book. I have been able to collect a large amount of history but have no photos of the car from 1970 to late 1971. In 1970 it was driven by Keith Poole, Ian Hill and Tom Jones. In 1971 it was driven by Ian Hill and Leo Anthony. The car was blue in colour and ran at times as number 41 and number 12. The photos I have from 1971 are of the car upside done at Calder when driven by Leo Anthony. Perhaps someone out there may have a photo or two that would help with it's history.

Cheers,
Des

[Ray Bell]

You need to find Rod Gibb, who had pics in RCN in that period...

I see that Poole had a win at the July Mallala in a Stag Elfin... is that the car?

[Des Piggott]

Thanks Ray, I'll see how I go tracing him. The problem with Keith Poole I'm sure you will agree is that he was always racing and in many cars, so its hard to know which is which. This car is actually the last ever type 500, built by Keith while he worked for Garry Cooper and as such is quite special. I have been able to track and speak to most of the drivers and recently had two of them , Leo Anthony & Damian Ridgeway, visit and relive their experiences. Leo's full name was Leo Anthony Fusinato but he dropped the Fusinato for family reasons.
Leo was a sensational driver and held the lap record for vees at Sandown for ten years, until the circut was changed.

Thanks for the help,
Des

[Ray Bell]

The Lemm brothers might be able to help...

If they were taking photos at that time, they might have something... but if not, they might know where to get onto Rod Gibb.

The win I mention came in "Len Miller's Elfin"... Len Miller Motors was the entrant. Is that the car?

[Jacer]

I have a video/dvd of the Nationals at Phillip Island with Damien Ridgeway driving won by Doug Angus. It's around 1977/78 Boy was that interesting then. A wet track, a bunch of vees charging down towards the now called Honda revision with the flaggies standing on the naturally wet grass on the edge of the circuit waving flags! Ian Lee (chequer 57) may know if the dvd's are still available. Slightly o/t but if there are any chassis photos of Elfin 500's floating around out there it would be nice to see also. I had to do some work on one recently and chassis photos were non existent.

[Ray Bell]

Unprotected on the wet grass, what's more...

Those were super events, the Vee Nationals at the Island. Doug Angus really deserved that win too, he'd been working hard at winning all year. Anther winner worth recognising in that event was Dave Turnbull, who drove an Elfin too IIRC.

[jcurran]

G'day Guys,

Sorry for jumping onto this thread, but was wondering if anyone has any photos of Doug Angus in his national winning Elfin NG?

I currently own and race this car but don't have any photos of it from back then.

Thanks.

James

[Des Piggott]

Thanks again Ray, not sure about the entrant but all possible connections to explore. Most of what I have in terms of results have come from RCN and it still amazes me how often the racing took place back then and the detail in the reports, well done.

Thanks also Jacer, I'll talk to Chequer. Have you seen the two CDs of Vee history?

Cheers

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by jcurran
.....wondering if anyone has any photos of Doug Angus in his national winning Elfin NG?

I currently own and race this car but don't have any photos of it from back then.

James, my recollection of the events was that Doug Angus won the Nationals in a Nimbus...

[jcurran]

Originally posted by Ray Bell


James, my recollection of the events was that Doug Angus won the Nationals in a Nimbus...

G'day Ray,

Your are correct in a Nimbus in 76 & 77, but he also won in 81 & 82 in an Elfin NG.

Thanks,

James

[chequer57]

G'day Ray,

Your are correct in a Nimbus in 76 & 77, but he also won in 81 & 82 in an Elfin NG.

Thanks,

James

Photos of the Elfin NG 8120 are suprising on www.fvee.org.au/nationals look down the page.

These are the photos that Doug scanned for me about two years ago.

Funny thing about 8120 there are two chassis going around with that number but yours is the Doug Angus one.

BTW the CD's have a stack of Doug Angus shots. Shot me an email and I'll send them to you

Regards,

Ian Lee
chequer57@hotmail.com

PS: Car's History is good too

NGV8120
Mar 81 Doug Angus [Vic]
[84] Damon Beck [NSW]
[84] David Turnbull [Tas]
[89] Jay Foreman [NSW]
[ - 95] Scott Bargwanna [NSW]
[95 -99] Carl Seeburg [Vic]
[99-00] Ray Chamberlain [Vic]
[Richard Chamberlain]
[00-03] John Connelly [Vic]
[03-04] Dean Brandt [Vic]
[04-06] Greg Keays [Vic]
[06-07] Ray Chamberlain [Tas]
[07 – Current] James Curran [Tas]

Edited by chequer57, 30 April 2009 - 16:57.

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by chequer57
.....[84] David Turnbull [Tas].....

The same David Turnbull? Isn't he still in Victoria?

[chequer57]

The same David Turnbull? Isn't he still in Victoria?

He is now, I spoke to him about three months ago working out when the first Poole built Scorpians came into being.

[Leo D]

He is now, I spoke to him about three months ago working out when the first Poole built Scorpians came into being.

I think that was about 1987/88....... Andrew Reid, Cameron McConville and Dave Turnbull having the first 3 cars...... I stand to be corrected though....

Dave's car being bright "flourecent orange" I think that's what the colour was called....

[chequer57]

I think that was about 1987/88....... Andrew Reid, Cameron McConville and Dave Turnbull having the first 3 cars...... I stand to be corrected though....

Dave's car being bright "flourecent orange" I think that's what the colour was called....

Yep that's right Terry Southall has the Dave Turnbull's Scorpion KP01 and I was talking to Dave to see if it was pre 86 and thus eligable for Historics .... but it's 88 thus no cigar.

KP02 the one Daniel Orr used to win the Nationals in 94 is in Tassie with Noel Clark [greedy man has two Nationals Winning Cars now ;) ]

Edited by chequer57, 01 May 2009 - 07:31.

[SJ Lambert]

Hi all, I've just completed a two year restoration of a 1970 Elfin Type 500 Formula Vee and am about to apply for a Certificate of Description for Historic Log Book. I have been able to collect a large amount of history but have no photos of the car from 1970 to late 1971. In 1970 it was driven by Keith Poole, Ian Hill and Tom Jones. In 1971 it was driven by Ian Hill and Leo Anthony. The car was blue in colour and ran at times as number 41 and number 12. The photos I have from 1971 are of the car upside done at Calder when driven by Leo Anthony. Perhaps someone out there may have a photo or two that would help with it's history.

Cheers,
Des

G'day Des, sorry that I don't have a shot of your type 500, but this one can give you some "period cues" - my best estimation is that this one is the prototype raced by Garrie Cooper and Bob Mills, having debuted on Boxing Day 1965 at Mallala, it was owned from new to this day by Bill Roberts. Elfin Works employee, Ron Lambert is seen behind the wheel out the front of Conmurra Avenue.

Edited by SJ Lambert, 03 April 2011 - 20:51.

[SJ Lambert]

I have a video/dvd of the Nationals at Phillip Island with Damien Ridgeway driving won by Doug Angus. It's around 1977/78 Boy was that interesting then. A wet track, a bunch of vees charging down towards the now called Honda revision with the flaggies standing on the naturally wet grass on the edge of the circuit waving flags! Ian Lee (chequer 57) may know if the dvd's are still available. Slightly o/t but if there are any chassis photos of Elfin 500's floating around out there it would be nice to see also. I had to do some work on one recently and chassis photos were non existent.

Jacer, here's a couple from within the Factory, again, I presume they are taken during the inception of the type......

Edited by SJ Lambert, 03 April 2011 - 20:52.

[SJ Lambert]

G'day Guys,

Sorry for jumping onto this thread, but was wondering if anyone has any photos of Doug Angus in his national winning Elfin NG?

I currently own and race this car but don't have any photos of it from back then.

Thanks.

James

James, I can't help with Doug, but I wonder if anyone knows who the driver in this shot is & what the venue is. I suspect it's the first (Roberts) car as when Garrie ran it, the car did sport no.22 for a while......

I don't suppose it could be Eric Spehr, John Kenny or Bill Roberts himself?




Cheers James

Edited by SJ Lambert, 06 April 2011 - 03:37.

[Des Piggott]

G'day Des, sorry that I don't have a shot of your type 500, but this one can give you some "period cues" - my best estimation is that this one is the prototype raced by Garrie Cooper and Bob Mills, having debuted on Boxing Day 1965 at Mallala, it was owned from new to this day by Bill Roberts. Elfin Works employee, Ron Lambert is seen behind the wheel out the front of Conmurra Avenue.



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Thanks indeed SJ, ( Spencer ? ). I've had the great pleasure over the past two years of getting to know Bill Roberts and having the opportunity to see his 500 anf 600. The last occasion was down your way at Haunted Hills hillclimb. ( Posted on Old Formula Vees In Australia thread ). The photos you are posting are great, keep it up.

Regards, Des

[gouldo]

The Eric Spehr Vee, I believe, was modified in the mid 80's by a guy by the name of Hatherley. (sp) I think his name was Ron (?) & his wife was Denise. They both ran in the NSW hillclimb chamionships during the 80's. It ran a 12a rotary engine. It was sold on to a guy in Sydney - and for the life of me I can't remember his name. I bought the car in 1988, replaced the 12a with a 13BPP rotary. My brother Jase bought it, sold it on & it is now in Newcastle running a 2.2 VW engine in Formula Libre. The only thing that looks like an elfin on this car is the fibreglass nose.

[gouldo]

The Eric Spehr Vee, I believe, was modified in the mid 80's by a guy by the name of Hatherley. (sp) I think his name was Ron (?) & his wife was Denise. They both ran in the NSW hillclimb chamionships during the 80's. It ran a 12a rotary engine. It was sold on to a guy in Sydney - and for the life of me I can't remember his name. I bought the car in 1988, replaced the 12a with a 13BPP rotary. My brother Jase bought it, sold it on & it is now in Newcastle running a 2.2 VW engine in Formula Libre. The only thing that looks like an elfin on this car is the fibreglass nose.

The guys name was Ben Sellers or similar....

[chequer57]

The Elfin with the Rotary engine was run by Ron Hammond in the late 90's in the NSW Hill Climb Championship. It too is on my list of Hill Climb car I'd love to see converted back to Historic Formula Vee's

The Elfin Register is a bit more specific though
Original Owner –Brian Pymble
Joe Lapp [NSW]
Richard Hatherly

When purchased by Hatherly it had been
converted to wishbone suspension with Rennmax uprights and a big
capacity VW engine

Hatherly fitted a Mazda rotary engine and used the
car in hillclimbs.

Subsequent owners were:
Ben Sellers [NSW]
Brad Goulding [NSW]
Jason Goulding [NSW]
Ron Hammond [NSW]
Eric Day [NSW]
Ben Durie/Grant Cook? [NSW]

after that not much new info

The Eric Spehr Elfin 500's path goes something like this
Eric Spehr [SA]
Indianapolis Speed Shop [SA]
Kevin Fisher [SA]
Robert Fox [SA]

Edited by chequer57, 23 July 2010 - 04:52.

[oldrevhead]

Hi Guys I have an Elfin NG formula vee that was raced by Keith Poole from july 1986 to 1993 at various tracks around australia.I have not been able to find any pictures of it in this period and was hoping one of you guys may have a picture or at least know what colour it was. cheers kym

[chequer57]

Hi Guys I have an Elfin NG formula vee that was raced by Keith Poole from july 1986 to 1993 at various tracks around australia.I have not been able to find any pictures of it in this period and was hoping one of you guys may have a picture or at least know what colour it was. cheers kym

Hi Kym,

Took me a while to work it out you are refering to EP012[013] first log booked in 1986.

EP012/[13] July 1986 Keith Poole [SA]
[93 - 97] Trevor Pound [SA]
[97 - 06] Andrew Holloway
[06 – James Parkinson [SA]

etc etc

I suggest you ask Trevor Pound (engman@optusnet.com.au) he may remember what colour it was when the bought it in 1993...

Last I saw that car it was green.

Regards,

Ian Lee

PS: If you have the log books any Amaroo or Oran Park meet we could have a crack at just need the dates.

Edited by chequer57, 03 April 2011 - 15:54.

[GMACKIE]

Hi all, I've just completed a two year restoration of a 1970 Elfin Type 500 Formula Vee and am about to apply for a Certificate of Description for Historic Log Book. I have been able to collect a large amount of history but have no photos of the car from 1970 to late 1971. In 1970 it was driven by Keith Poole, Ian Hill and Tom Jones. In 1971 it was driven by Ian Hill and Leo Anthony. The car was blue in colour and ran at times as number 41 and number 12. The photos I have from 1971 are of the car upside done at Calder when driven by Leo Anthony. Perhaps someone out there may have a photo or two that would help with it's history.

Cheers,
Des

Hi Des, I can't help with photos, however I have the results from my last Vee race [Warwick Farm, 22nd Nov. 1970]. My Elfin 500 was Chassis No. 6821. Results:-

Place Car No. Driver Car

1st 1 Bernie Haehnle Hahn Renmax

2nd 20 Greg Mackie Elfin

3rd 8 Enno Buesselmann Trips

4th 5 Peter Finlay Stand Fast

5th 6 Alan Tucker Renmax

6th 11 Keith Poole Elfin [Most likely your car]

Cheers,

Greg

[oldrevhead]

Hi Ian Yes you hit it on the head,I bought it from james parkinson in 09.It was at amaroo on 24/7/93.Any pictures would be good,I will send trevor a message.I have herd the 12/13 story,what is your take on it. thanks kym

Hi Kym,

Took me a while to work it out you are refering to EP012[013] first log booked in 1986.

EP012/[13] July 1986 Keith Poole [SA]
[93 - 97] Trevor Pound [SA]
[97 - 06] Andrew Holloway
[06 – James Parkinson [SA]

etc etc

I suggest you ask Trevor Pound (engman@optusnet.com.au) he may remember what colour it was when the bought it in 1993...

Last I saw that car it was green.

Regards,

Ian Lee

PS: If you have the log books any Amaroo or Oran Park meet we could have a crack at just need the dates.

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by GMACKIE
Hi Des, I can't help with photos, however I have the results from my last Vee race [Warwick Farm, 22nd Nov. 1970]. My Elfin 500 was Chassis No. 6821. Results:-

Place Car No. Driver Car

1st 1 Bernie Haehnle Hahn Rennmax

2nd 20 Greg Mackie Elfin

3rd 8 Enno Buesselmann Trips

4th 5 Peter Finlay Stand Fast

5th 6 Alan Tucker Rennmax

6th 11 Keith Poole Elfin [Most likely your car]

I'm thinking that would be a different car, Greg, unless Poole owned it twice...

This is sixteen years earlier than he's shown as the owner.

[fredeuce]

Here is a pic of the Eric Spehr car driven by the man himself Easter 1971 at Collingrove. At that stage it had been modified somewhat.

From memory it was running a larger 1600 motor and improved induction. Looks like a pair of downdraft Webers.

Edited by fredeuce, 04 April 2011 - 01:19.

[GMACKIE]

I'm thinking that would be a different car, Greg, unless Poole owned it twice...

This is sixteen years earlier than he's shown as the owner.

The car that Des is asking about is Keith Poole's Elfin 500, not the later NG.

Have you contacted Keith Poole, Des? If you need his contact details, send me an email....greg@kirrapak.com
Also, if you want, I can scan the above W. Farm result sheet, and send it.

Cheers, Greg

[Des Piggott]

The car that Des is asking about is Keith Poole's Elfin 500, not the later NG.

Have you contacted Keith Poole, Des? If you need his contact details, send me an email....greg@kirrapak.com
Also, if you want, I can scan the above W. Farm result sheet, and send it.

Cheers, Greg

Thanks Greg, I would love a scan of the results. My email is desp@davidnutter.com.au. I spoke to Keith a couple of years ago and have since emailed him with progress reports as the restoration took place. The same with Ian Hill who was instrumental along with Paul English in establishing the history of the car.

Cheers, Des

[chequer57]

Hi Ian Yes you hit it on the head,I bought it from james parkinson in 09.It was at amaroo on 24/7/93.Any pictures would be good,I will send trevor a message.I have herd the 12/13 story,what is your take on it. thanks kym

The only photos I can see of the proofs of that meeting is of Jason Bargwanna and the No.11 Mobil sponsored car (who I though may be Jamie McHugh) It was late in Lance Ruting's career and he was not into taking many photos and didn't get around the track much.

See below


Who ever is in the No.11 car they are pretty fast to be in front of Frank Haire and qualify on the grid for 2nd. I suspect that is Jansen Hannagan though, as he was travelling alot that year and won a heat (witho out Frank Haire in it) over in Perth later that year at the Nationals (thanks for Terry Walker's results.)
See http://www.terrywalk.../1993-part2.pdf

You also have a bit of struggle with Keith Poole's Vees he seems to not only owned many at one time but he let other people drive them. Around time your are looking at he started building Vee's outside the Elfin Factory the KPV (that I assume he built in built in 86) and then the Scorpions (from 88 onwards).

Regards,

Ian

Edited by chequer57, 05 April 2011 - 10:08.

[Jacer]

Hi Guys I have an Elfin NG formula vee that was raced by Keith Poole from july 1986 to 1993 at various tracks around australia.I have not been able to find any pictures of it in this period and was hoping one of you guys may have a picture or at least know what colour it was. cheers kym

Just remembered that I raced against Keith at the 1987 nationals at the Calder WTC meeting that had the thunderdome and circuit combined. It was plain white from what I can remember. I have a dvd of the race but as usual I've loaned it out and it hasn't come back yet. There were fleeting shots of it.
DC

[Jacer]

The only photos I can see of the proofs of that meeting is of Jason Bargwanna and the No.11 Mobil sponsored car (who I though may be Jamie McHugh) It was late in Lance Ruting's career and he was not into taking many photos and didn't get around the track much.

See below


Who ever is in the No.11 car they are pretty fast to be in front of Frank Haire and qualify on the grid for 2nd. I suspect that is Jansen Hannagan though, as he was travelling alot that year and won a heat (witho out Frank Haire in it) over in Perth later that year at the Nationals (thanks for Terry Walker's results.)
See http://www.terrywalk.../1993-part2.pdf

You also have a bit of struggle with Keith Poole's Vees he seems to not only owned many at one time but he let other people drive them. Around time your are looking at he started building Vee's outside the Elfin Factory the KPV (that I assume he built in built in 86) and then the Scorpions (from 88 onwards).

Regards,

Ian

Jasen Hannigan's car was a Bee Cee.

[chequer57]

Jasen Hannigan's car was a Bee Cee.

DC I have a copy of the Channel 7 coverage from Ian Simpson of that race. I will watch through that when I get a chance. Yep Jasen was is in a Bee Cee.

Regards,

Ian

[Jacer]

DC I have a copy of the Channel 7 coverage from Ian Simpson of that race. I will watch through that when I get a chance. Yep Jasen was is in a Bee Cee.

Regards,

Ian

that's the footage. When Denys Gillespie spins entering the bowl and throws his hands in the air the white NG in the shots around it is Keith.

[chequer57]

Kym,

As a matter of interest are you thinking of applying for a C of D for Elfin NG EP12/13 ?

Regards,

Ian

[oldrevhead]

Kym,

As a matter of interest are you thinking of applying for a C of D for Elfin NG EP12/13 ?

Regards,

Ian

Ian No not as yet .just wanted to see it in its original livery.I dont think its eligible any way because it was first raced in 1986 just outside the cutoff of December 1985

thanks kym
PS what do you know about the 12/13 story,I believe mine is #13 but being bad luck they just made it #12 but i think there is another #12 out there.

Edited by oldrevhead, 06 April 2011 - 06:45.

[chequer57]

Ian No not as yet .just wanted to see it in its original livery.I dont think its eligible any way because it was first raced in 1986 just outside the cutoff of December 1985

thanks kym
PS what do you know about the 12/13 story,I believe mine is #13 but being bad luck they just made it #12 but i think there is another #12 out there.

There are two "EP012"s your car and Paul Tucker's. Paul's car is recognised as EP012 and your car is the other EP012, it is thought the chassis plate was mistamped with 12. Please note there are not 13 Elfin NG EP's there are 8. The first 4 were made in 84 (to get some cash flow at Elfin) and the last 4 made in late 85. The No.13 is reference the the chassis made under the Edmondson Porter banner.

Historic is possible as a run on if construction was started before the end of 1985 as was the case with Daniel Brando's sister Elfin NG (EP10), I'll provide you with Daniel's contact details if you wish.

Regards,

Ian Lee
chequer57@hotmail.com

Photo out the Nationals driver profile below:



and from the vid that DC is talking about

Edited by chequer57, 06 April 2011 - 11:55.

[oldrevhead]

There are two "EP012"s your car and Paul Tucker's. Paul's car is recognised as EP012 and your car is the other EP012, it is thought the chassis plate was mistamped with 12. Please note there are not 13 Elfin NG EP's there are 8. The first 4 were made in 84 (to get some cash flow at Elfin) and the last 4 made in late 85. The No.13 is reference the the chassis made under the Edmondson Porter banner.

Historic is possible as a run on if construction was started before the end of 1985 as was the case with Daniel Brando's sister Elfin NG (EP10), I'll provide you with Daniel's contact details if you wish.

Regards,

Ian Lee
chequer57@hotmail.com

Photo out the Nationals driver profile below:



and from the vid that DC is talking about

Thanks for all the info guys.It has been very interesting. kym

[oldrevhead]

Thanks Ian Just wondering,do you know what the writing on the back, behind the roll bar says?

kym

[chequer57]

Thanks Ian Just wondering,do you know what the writing on the back, behind the roll bar says?

kym

Think it says Keith Poole.

Regards,

Ian

[Lee Nicolle]

Think it says Keith Poole.

Regards,

Ian

It defenitly does. Keith Pooles Volkrepair, Conmurra Ave, Edwarstown. Next door to the then Elfin factory.

[oldrevhead]

Ian Does that mean there were only a total of 13 chassis's built with the EP plates ? cheers kym










quote name='chequer57' date='Apr 6 2011, 17:36' post='4940597']
There are two "EP012"s your car and Paul Tucker's. Paul's car is recognised as EP012 and your car is the other EP012, it is thought the chassis plate was mistamped with 12. Please note there are not 13 Elfin NG EP's there are 8. The first 4 were made in 84 (to get some cash flow at Elfin) and the last 4 made in late 85. The No.13 is reference the the chassis made under the Edmondson Porter banner.

Historic is possible as a run on if construction was started before the end of 1985 as was the case with Daniel Brando's sister Elfin NG (EP10), I'll provide you with Daniel's contact details if you wish.

Regards,

Ian Lee
chequer57@hotmail.com

Photo out the Nationals driver profile below:



and from the vid that DC is talking about


[/quote]

[chequer57]

Ian Does that mean there were only a total of 13 chassis's built with the EP plates ? cheers kym

Umm not sure we know of 8 Vees (EP001-4 & EP010,12,(12/13) + one other that is supposed to be wrecked) and 2 Formula Fords (EP06 & EP09)

The Elfin Crusaders which were made from 86 onwards were all E cars.

Regards,

Ian

[AnnieOz]

Someone earlier was looking for Rod Gibb - contact him via the Sporting Car Club of SA where he is currently President and is using Rodney rather than Rod