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[Ross Stonefeld]

Originally posted by Twin Window

In terms of McLaren and Marlboro little more needs to be said; their partnership lasted until the end of 1996 - a full twenty-three seasons, an arrangement which seems unlikely ever to be surpassed.

As title sponsor or ? What would we consider the first year that Marlboro became Ferrari's largest or title sponsor?

Roger Penske could conceivably do it, I wouldn't put it past him at the very least.

[PeterElleray]

Originally posted by Twin Window

Yep, I remember that too.

It's another reason the 'seventies were great; the rumours! Which back then tended to start around Monza - merely a few months preceding the season being speculated about...

;)

checked out 'bernie's game' this afternoon - it appears that the initial conversations between Marlboro(represented by Pat Duffeler, a european director and well known in the f1 scene at this time), Ken Tyrrell and Emerson took place before the 1973 brazilian gp, which is interesting because at this time JYS had not made his decision to stop driving at the end of the year. nor, it appears, was he part of the conversation.
emerson, who had just won the argentine gp, was presumably already looking at his options if the arrival of new team mate Ronnie Peterson created 'local difiiculties' in Team Lotus... Likewise, BRM's no.1 team that year, BRM, had just started the Argentine GP from pole position (Regazzoni) and led the race! SO a lot of people in outwardly comfortable positions appear to have been hedging their bets from a very early date..

It appears that discussions with Tyrrell didnt go much further - we dont know why but it must have been quite difficult to fit JYS into this scenario - and the focus shifted to either McLaren or Brabham. At this stage neither if those teams had produced their 1973 cars which would ultimately make both - but especially McLaren - look so attractive for a future sponsorship arrangement.

peter

[alansart]

Originally posted by Twin Window

Another major step forward came for 1974 when Emerson Fittipaldi, disenchanted with his season of having to share Team Lotus with Ronnie Peterson, had brokered a deal with both Marlboro and Texaco whereby he could take their sponsorship to the team of his choice. Initially the rumour with the most momentum was that he'd take it to Tyrrell, but as we all now know McLaren was the resultant berth and he duly won the WDC.

Poor old BRM. Not only did they lose Yardley to McLaren, Marlboro, possibly the biggest sponsor in F1, jumped ship as well!

[MCS]

Originally posted by Tony Matthews
Hi MCS, was that the sticker with the fierce feline eyes staring out of a black background? If so it was a great bit of graphic design, and I think it used gloss and matt black ink.

Hi Tony - sorry, only just seen this.

No, it was the black hat and cape sticker - black (filled in) with 'UOP Shadow" underneath.

Wish I still had one...

Wish it was still the seventies!!

[alansart]

Originally posted by MCS


Hi Tony - sorry, only just seen this.

No, it was the black hat and cape sticker - black (filled in) with 'UOP Shadow" underneath.

Wish I still had one...

Wish it was still the seventies!!

This one - or similar?

[MCS]

Oooh, similar. How best to explain?

Erm, black on white - so opposite to what we see here - and without the car silhouette in the middle. (It was from the DN1 days). But round in shape.

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by gio66

Thank you Twinny!

My pleasure

Jody's overall was "owned" by a chewing-gum whereas Gilles was sponsored by tiles, helicopters and wine.

Indeed so; Scheckter's Brooklyn gum deal was pretty much all-encompassing, while Villeneuve had Giacobazzi, Ceramiche Piemme, Vespa (IIRC) and quite a few others - plus many non-overalls/helmet endorsements. His spat with PM/Marlboro is a good story, described well in Gerry Donaldson's book. In a nutshell he asked for more money than they were prepared to pay and deliberately left the area on his overalls where the MWCT patch used to be completely free of logos - check-out the '81/2 photos - in order to wind them up! A kind of 'this is where you could have been' deal!

If I'm not wrong the MWCT ended in 1996 too because of the financial commitment with Ferrari, I suppose.

[Marlboro Team Ecuador] The Ron Dennis-Marlboro "first contact".

Correct on both counts!

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld

As title sponsor or ? What would we consider the first year that Marlboro became Ferrari's largest or title sponsor?

Yes, as McLaren's title sponsor.

The first year Marlboro logos actually appeared on the Ferraris was 1983, but the official Ferrari team name didn't incorporate Marlboro until 1996 AFAIR. I think the Marlboro logos arriving on the car's flanks coincided with PM undertaking to pay the drivers' retainers...

Originally posted by PeterElleray

checked out 'bernie's game' this afternoon...

Sounds like I need to read that book after all! It never appealed - rather like the bloke himself - but if it contains anecdotes of that nature I will reappraise the situation...

Originally posted by alansart

Poor old BRM. Not only did they lose Yardley to McLaren, Marlboro, possibly the biggest sponsor in F1, jumped ship as well!

Sad but true! Unfortunately it tells us something methinks...

[PeterElleray]

Originally posted by Twin Window



Sounds like I need to read that book after all! It never appealed - rather like the bloke himself - but if it contains anecdotes of that nature I will reappraise the situation...

a lot of it it isnt really a biography at all - emphasis on the 'game' rather than the 'bernie'..

[gio66]

Originally posted by Twin Window
Correct on both counts!

Now I understand why several F1 drivers detests Schumacher and Ferrari...

[FerrariFanDL]

What year was the unfortunate crash where Sir Frank was paralyzed? I can't believe Peter Windsor walked away unscathed, and Frank was hurt so terribly. If my memory serves me correctly, it happened at Paul Ricard, right?

[ghinzani]

Beards and Facial Hair for me.

[Twin Window]

Drivers (in this case Lauda) 'making-do'!

[gablet]

Originally posted by FerrariFanDL
What year was the unfortunate crash where Sir Frank was paralyzed? I can't believe Peter Windsor walked away unscathed, and Frank was hurt so terribly. If my memory serves me correctly, it happened at Paul Ricard, right?

It happened in the beginning of year 1986.

[Doug Nye]

The '70s was when the likely lads could go Formula 1...









Photos strictly Copyright: The GP Library

DCN

[sterling49]

Is that Barry?

[Doug Nye]

I believe so...bottom picture, second from right?????

DCN

[Vitesse2]

Priceless, Doug! Absolutely priceless!!! Proof that Barry Boor hasn't always worn shorts and football shirts!!! He even had hair then

Love the high-tech chock too.

[Vitesse2]

BJB: So, Peter, this is some sort of new tweak?

PC: Yes, Barry, it's called a "wheel". By casting two of these dies together, welded across the straight edge, I hope to make the car go faster. Of course, we'll need four of them .....

[Twin Window]

Oh boy, if I were Barry I'd be thinking all my future Christmases had arrived at once!

Excellent unearthing, Doug!

[Vitesse2]

Is that Hans-Joachim Stuck in the background?

[Tim Murray]

The chap between Barry and Peter C is Migault, I believe.

[watkins]

Originally posted by MCS
Oooh, similar. How best to explain?

Erm, black on white - so opposite to what we see here - and without the car silhouette in the middle. (It was from the DN1 days). But round in shape.

This may not be the one you're looking for, but I bet it's the biggest.

Watkins Glen- Oct. 1973



What I liked about the '70's is that I only had to sign a waiver (and verbally stated that I would stay out of the way) to enter the track (Watkins Glen), on the Monday after a race weekend, during tire testing (it also work on the Thursday before the weekend). I have to agree with others on this forum that the accessibility factor is one of the greatest differences between the 1970's and today as far as spectators and fans are concern. And the variety of drivers in each series.

[Ruairidh]

Originally posted by Tim Murray
The chap between Barry and Peter C is Migault, I believe.

yes I think so too....

[Ruairidh]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vitesse2
[B]

Wonderful - how sponsorship deals were struck!

[Ross Stonefeld]

Based on photo evidence alone, the answer seems to be: facial hair.

[Barry Boor]

Unbelieveable!

I can confirm, absolutely that the middle man is Francois, our driver.

Just wait until Peter sees these.....

Doug, I cannot thank you enough.

[fines]

I was desperately looking for a driver's name on Barry's overall before the penny dropped! Still, I recognized him before I recognized Migault - does that make me a TNF anorak???

[Giraffe]

It looks a bit like Jarier nosing in on the left of the pic; is it him 'aving un mot avec Migault peut-etre?

[Barry Boor]

Don't think Jarier was around in those days!

I have spoken to Peter and showed him the photos. We worked out that he is cutting out a big Shell sticker to put on the airbox which, as you can see, is bare.

What I am holding is open to conjecture but is NOT a fag end as Peter suggested.

What I'd give for some of that hair nowadays!

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by Giraffe
It looks a bit like Jarier nosing in on the left of the pic; is it him 'aving un mot avec Migault peut-etre?

Looks more like Beltoise to me!

Getting your Jean-Pierres mixed up?

[Barry Boor]

I really don't think that it's anyone important!

BUT, I wish I knew who Francois was talking to!

[Kingsleyrob]

Originally posted by Vitesse2

Looks more like Beltoise to me!

Getting your Jean-Pierres mixed up?

Definitely not Sarti anyway. Great pic though, nearly fell off me chair when I saw it.

Barry, I remember your hair blowing in the wind as we made our way to Monaco last year in the Megane Cabrio. You had to wear your baseball cap to keep it in place, remember?

Rob

[Giraffe]

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That looks like Jumper to me..... He was in F2 at the time?

[Barry Boor]

So THAT'S where it went!

[Giraffe]

It could have been Jarier as he had already made his GP debut by then, but admittedly the chap maybe a tad too old to be him.
Nice line in tight fitting pullovers Barry; was it that cold in Austria?!?!

[Barry Boor]

No, Austria was searingly hot.

That picture is almost certainly from the British Grand Prix.

[Chezrome]

Originally posted by watkins


This may not be the one you're looking for, but I bet it's the biggest.

Watkins Glen- Oct. 1973



What I liked about the '70's is that I only had to sign a waiver (and verbally stated that I would stay out of the way) to enter the track (Watkins Glen), on the Monday after a race weekend, during tire testing (it also work on the Thursday before the weekend). I have to agree with others on this forum that the accessibility factor is one of the greatest differences between the 1970's and today as far as spectators and fans are concern. And the variety of drivers in each series.

And perhaps others have already said it: If we would apply the system of waivers during any big racing event nowadays, the cars would NOT be able to leave the pits at all. The reason I will not go to Bavaria Racing (the big streetevent with F1 cars in Rotterdam) is due to its succes. I am not going to be crushed by 300.000 racefans...

It's a shame, though...

[2F-001]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
No, Austria was searingly hot.
That picture is almost certainly from the British Grand Prix.

Forgive me if I've lost track of which picture we're referring to, but surely Connew paddock shots are at the 'Ring aren't they?
That does look rather like the old paddock 'quadrangle' (under discussion in another thread, by coincidence).

[Doug Nye]

Indeed - the Nurburgring Fahrerlager - unmistakably so.

DCN

[2F-001]

Lovely pictures, btw, Doug - thanks for posting them.
I must try to find those my father and I took at Brands and Silverstone in the same period.
(Even the bigger teams seemed to have less kit and resources than some folk nowadays take along to a trackday...)

[Barry Boor]

I realised that two were the 'Ring but something told me the close up was Brands. Silly me!

[David Beard]

Originally posted by Doug Nye
The '70s was when the likely lads could go Formula 1...


DCN

Just excellent! But Barry, what exactly are you wearing: racing overalls or the original Shell suit?

[Barry Boor]

With those red and yellow suits we felt like court jesters....

[Bjorn Kjer]

Barry what /whose car is behind you guys ?

[Barry Boor]

Sorry Bjorn, I can't see another car behind; which picture?

[Bjorn Kjer]

Post 242 .

[Giraffe]

It's the Mr Whippy icecream van! Francois is saying to the vendor "I want mine this size with crushed nuts"!

[Bjorn Kjer]

Ha-ha. Thanks for that .(I would not like to miss a car transporter).

[Barry Boor]

Bjorn, that may well be our own truck - hard to say from 37 years distance.

[Bjorn Kjer]

I'll make 2 copies for my archive , 1 under supply vehicles "says Giraffe" and 1 under transporters CONNEW "says Barry".