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[MikeTekRacing]

Eh,what?

you say his results were ok in the last year and a half?

[Lazy Prodigy]

I didnt know we had insiders here who know that or if Kimi liked or disliked Stefano. I recall alot of times last year, Stefano came out and defended Kimi in the midst of his mid-late season qualifying problems. Unless Alonso has #1 in his contract he will be surprised if Massa or Kimi is his teammate if it happens.

As for the F60 which is what this thread is about, they are starting with a new concept for the new car which is why the development of the current car is not going on. I heard Costa say this.

[mursuka80]

you say his results were ok in the last year and a half?

Last 6 races yes and he deserves the praise he is getting.You dont think so?

[MikeTekRacing]

Last 6 races yes and he deserves the praise he is getting.You dont think so?

SD was praising Massa because....he was delivering...only lately he said positive things about KR because..he wasn't delivering.

just what I said..SD started talking nice about kr when he started delivering

[grunge]

kr's fault, not ms's. i don't think ms has problems working with kr

SD was praising Massa because....he was delivering...only lately he said positive things about KR because..he wasn't delivering.
if kr does not have any respect for sd then there is a problem. you may not like a person or whatever, but not respect your team manager is a big problem. especially when you are not exactly setting the world on fire

and how did exactly ferrari set the world on fire by giving the new ''star'' signing an understeery car with no front grip?????....by introducing develomental changes in mid 08 which further aggravated his problems rather than solving them..

and dont start with the nonsense of ''adapting'' to the car...an OS liking driver is going absolutely no where u give him the understeery car with no frontal grip...period!!....kimi adapted to understeery mclarens atleast 3 seasons but he had the front tire grip to still throw the car into a corner....he was left with nothing when the car couldnt even warm its front tires in 07,08

[MikeTekRacing]

and how did exactly ferrari set the world on fire by giving the new ''star'' signing an understeery car with no front grip?????....by introducing develomental changes in mid 08 which further aggravated his problems rather than solving them..

and dont start with the nonsense of ''adapting'' to the car...an OS liking driver is going absolutely no where u give him the understeery car with no frontal grip...period!!....kimi adapted to understeery mclarens atleast 3 seasons but he had the front tire grip to still throw the car into a corner....he was left with nothing when the car couldnt even warm its front tires in 07,08

nonsense for you my friend
he is paid a lot of cash to drive and win in it
if another driver does a better job in the same car he has got a problem.
sure, he may be fast in another one but that's life.
no need to make up excuses for missed results. he did not perform at his best, so sd did not praise him
that's not fair?

you speak about the car that was not warming up it's tyres IN HIS HANDS...the same with button this part of the season....if the teamate can and you can't maybe he has some fault in it?

[mursuka80]

MS said last year they went to a direction which helped Felipe and in Spa when they reverted back Kimi blew Massa away.Coincidence? Nah,just an excuse right?

[Lazy Prodigy]

and people wonder why afca left...

[Tomerell]

I have a feeling, now that Kimi has had his way with F60B, that Massa would find him self in little bit of a trouble wit the car, if he was to come back this season...

[grunge]

nonsense for you my friend
he is paid a lot of cash to drive and win in it
if another driver does a better job in the same car he has got a problem.
sure, he may be fast in another one but that's life.
no need to make up excuses for missed results. he did not perform at his best, so sd did not praise him
that's not fair?

you speak about the car that was not warming up it's tyres IN HIS HANDS...the same with button this part of the season....if the teamate can and you can't maybe he has some fault in it?

thats what u dont understand ...the car heating problem was not exclusive to kimi...mass's tires would be at the same level BUT an understeer liking driver needs MUCH LESS front grip taking a corner than a driver liking OS...that is a FACT.

so while the frontal grip was low because of the ferrari being too soft on the tires,the handicap for raikkonen was much much greater as massa;s US style doesnt require the same amount of grip.period

u can modify yr cornering technique to compensate for car tendencies...like he did in the mclarens..LFbraking and lift oversteer etc..but for that u need yer tires on the front to hold the front end stiff....when that doesnt happen ,yer left with nowhere to go..

raikkonen was severly handicapped both these years because his team mate had everyting he wanted in a car while his car left him no room to do anything...the fact that inspite of that,both of them were pretty much matched in terms of results speaks volumes of kimi's superiority over his team mate...mark hughes did an article comparing both of their telemetries around the most diverse corners of the 08 circuit and it showed that they belong to two compeletely different planets class wise..there are no two ways about it..telemetries dont lie..read the article..

ive tried to explain this to u very logically..i hope ull try to understand rather than disagreeing for the sake of it

Edited by grunge, 14 September 2009 - 13:20.

[Taxi]

so globaly where would you rank this Ferrari? I would put it 3rd this season, behind Brawn, Red Bull and tied with McLaren, and just little above williams and Toyota.

[Tomerell]

and people wonder why afca left...

Yeap, and this thread is in a bad state of stuck, because the car it self has not developped for monts...so something else has been brought in instead

[MikeTekRacing]

the fact that inspite of that,both of them were pretty much matched in terms of results speaks volumes of kimi's superiority over his team mate...

this is incredible

[Lazy Prodigy]

so globaly where would you rank this Ferrari? I would put it 3rd this season, behind Brawn, Red Bull and tied with McLaren, and just little above williams and Toyota.

I think its ahead of the McLaren. We have been much more consistent all season long and have had a good consistent development push. After that I would put McLaren. They were so bad they could take a chance on something radical which might and might not work, now they might be the 3rd best car along with us depending on where we go.

[mel]

Yeap, and this thread is in a bad state of stuck, because the car it self has not developped for monts...so something else has been brought in instead

Is it time to end this thread in hope of a new one?

[Music Lover]

nonsense for you my friend
he is paid a lot of cash to drive and win in it
if another driver does a better job in the same car he has got a problem.
sure, he may be fast in another one but that's life.
no need to make up excuses for missed results. he did not perform at his best, so sd did not praise him
that's not fair?

you speak about the car that was not warming up it's tyres IN HIS HANDS...the same with button this part of the season....if the teamate can and you can't maybe he has some fault in it?

if you pay a lot to get a top driver to drive your car and give him a car that not suits his driving style, isn't that bad strategy?

What is so difficult to understand, when Massa has a car that suits his driving technique he has the upper hand in qualifying as Kimi cant get tires heated up. STILL, Kimi normally has the fastest lap in race! (study last seasons stats) And you complain Kimi cant adapt??? He can actually but he NEED the tires headet up to get the car ultrafast. In Spa, did you see how Kimi turned left/right after the safety car and then passed Fisi?
He TRIES to work around the car issue.

When Kimi likes the car, he is faster than Massa.

Also - and in a less than optimum car as F60B (Fisi stated it is difficult to drive) Kimi is close to a sec faster - obviously Kimi can work around car issues!
Bloody hell, he took 30p in that car in the last 4 races...