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[ClubmanGT]

If FOTA does go breakaway, what would you like to it race in?

Personally, nothing would be more amazing than FOTA F5000, but I doubt that would happen.

I'm guessing the FOTA cars would be big on technology, with wide rear tyres, narrow fronts and no KERS.

Can we gleem anything else from their objections to FIA proposals about what a FOTA car might be like?

[Meanstreak]

Half-single seaters, half-fighter jets kind of super duper cool racing cars.

Edited by Meanstreak, 17 June 2009 - 20:39.

[Brawn BGP 001]

Homolgated gearboxes, whatever that means.

Also Homolgated bodywork, whatever that means.

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 17 June 2009 - 20:41.

[DOF_power]

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^ Active rides, with turbos and ground effects.
And a consumption based formula favoring fuel efficiency and alternative solutions.

[Atreiu]

Haven't they said they'll start with something similar to the proposed 2010 F1 regulations?

Can't they take the 2005 cars out of the museums, keep the V10s and fit some slicks on them???

Or (in my wildest dreams):
- no wings;
- ground effects;
- 100l of fuel, no refueling;
- whatever engine they wish;
- bring it on!

Edited by Atreiu, 17 June 2009 - 20:47.

[Scotracer]

Haven't they said they'll start with something similar to the proposed 2010 F1 regulations?

Can't they take the 2005 cars out of the museums, keep the V10s and fit some slicks on them???

Yes please

[Imperial]

Ross Brawn has already alluded to them using the 2010 F1 cars they have all been designing, stating that a 2010 FOTA series would be running with no refuelling during races...

Edited by Imperial, 17 June 2009 - 20:58.

[Clatter]

The FOTA cars will, for 2010 at least, be based on the current rules.

[Gilles4Ever]

you think they will allow the double diffusers and holey floors?;)

[Imperial]

you think they will allow the double diffusers and holey floors?;)

You know what, that sentence alone seriously shows how pathetic the current mini-war is. Put the FOTA teams in their own new series, give them a month or so into their debut season....and they'll be arguing about something or other like they'd never left F1....

[Dragonfly]

You know what, that sentence alone seriously shows how pathetic the current mini-war is. Put the FOTA teams in their own new series, give them a month or so into their debut season....and they'll be arguing about something or other like they'd never left F1....

As long as they provide a fast and impartial way of dealing with issues instead of waiting for months some pompously named body to convene, this will mean they are back to normal racing.

[Imperial]

As long as they provide a fast and impartial way of dealing with issues instead of waiting for months some pompously named body to convene, this will mean they are back to normal racing.

But they're only arguing against the FIA because they have the FIA to argue against.

Leave just FOTA and who are they going to argue with? Yes, themselves.

Tell me a time when the teams in F1 haven't been arguing amongst themselves about something or other? They are on a hiding to nothing and they know they are, which is why by this time Friday it'll all be done and dusted as if nothing ever happened.

[Brawn BGP 001]

But they're only arguing against the FIA because they have the FIA to argue against.

Leave just FOTA and who are they going to argue with? Yes, themselves.

Tell me a time when the teams in F1 haven't been arguing amongst themselves about something or other? They are on a hiding to nothing and they know they are, which is why by this time Friday it'll all be done and dusted as if nothing ever happened.

Exactly.

[Dragonfly]

Tell me a time when the teams in F1 haven't been arguing amongst themselves about something or other? They are on a hiding to nothing and they know they are, which is why by this time Friday it'll all be done and dusted as if nothing ever happened.

It's the first time they are so united and this makes the event unique

[Scotracer]

But they're only arguing against the FIA because they have the FIA to argue against.

Leave just FOTA and who are they going to argue with? Yes, themselves.

Tell me a time when the teams in F1 haven't been arguing amongst themselves about something or other? They are on a hiding to nothing and they know they are, which is why by this time Friday it'll all be done and dusted as if nothing ever happened.

I predict so. I just wish some of the regulation relaxation proposals get put through. I want "F1" cars back.

[Buttoneer]

Why does anyone think that the rules will suddenly be freed up and the cars more spectacular under FOTA1 2010? I just don't see the teams getting additional budgets nor for that matter do I see more than 8 teams for the first year.

The cars will look close to how they look this year but the racing (with no refualling) will be different albeit the same as it would have been under BernieMax. I don't hold out much hope for close racing if the arms race is freed up, frankly.

[qwazy]

The teams wont completely govern themselves. The same way NFL teams or NBA teams don't govern themselves. They have the largest stake in the sport, and carry significant weight, but there is a governing office, with a commissioner and his people, to handle the series.

[wewantourdarbyback]

you think they will allow the double diffusers and holey floors?;)

What's a hole?

[Dragonfly]

Ask Flavio. He's specializing in the theory of holes and gaps.

[tkulla]

I really, really hope there's no breakaway series, but if there is I hope they go a whole different direction. Perhaps something like a single seat version of an LMP1, but with a similar format to F1 (standing start, under two hour race).

[ClubmanGT]

Thread becomes relevant all of a sudden

[Lazy Prodigy]

anything that makes a so called F1 car a technical masterpiece again. And not this semi spec series series stuff with engines, gearboxes, and such.

[Ali_G]

1. Return to 2m wide cars
2. Return to limited ground effects using two limited venturi tunnels under each sidepod
3. Ban splitters under the nose and enforce a flat bottom from the front axel to tip of the nose
4. Return to small turbo engines (more relevant in todays world with most engines going turbo)
5. Return to fully manual gearboxes (its about driving innit)
6. Reduce front and rear wing to one element.

[Anomnader]

The rules the same as this year minus Kers really, there can be no other sadly, not enough time.

[OnyxF1]

Firstly, I'd like the FOTA car to be properly proportioned. These ugly steamroller front-wing cars from this year have to go. Personally I liked these beauties:





Engine regulations should be relatively open, with a fuel-based formula. I'm tempted to go for turbo engines. I know a lot of people would want V10s and V12s and I love them too, but I don't see where they can take those engines. By the end of the 3.0 Litre formula they had squeezed out everything they could from the V10 engines. Honda were nearly at a 1000 Hp apparently. Oh and keep the slicks please, no grooved bullshit.

[OnyxF1]

The rules the same as this year minus Kers really, there can be no other sadly, not enough time.

True, I believe Brawn said that a FOTA car would be similar to the cars they are currently developing. It's too bad really because the 2009 regs make for hideous cars and don't improve the overtaking situation. Even McLaren, who always make beautiful cars, had a bit of an ugly duckling this year.

[Madras]

Reduce diffusers even further
Scrap the snow plough front wing
1.4 litre turbo engines

[Gypsy]

You know they won't be allowed to use the term 'Formula One', so FOTA anything will be out of the window.

[Fudce]

You know they won't be allowed to use the term 'Formula One', so FOTA anything will be out of the window.

Maybe... or maybe they can find another acronym with the same letters.

Financially Organised Teams Association?

[Docc]

Formula No Max..

[Ali_G]

Reduce diffusers even further
Scrap the snow plough front wing
1.4 litre turbo engines

Just get rid of diffusers and go for underbody venturi's for ground effects aero.

More aero from the underbody is better for passing. Downforce created from the underbody from venturi tunnels expieriences far less of a drop off when following in turbulence. I also believe that it creates less turbulence than standard splitters too.

Edited by Ali_G, 19 June 2009 - 00:06.

[Ali_G]

Maybe make them oval capable ? WOuld open a few more doors if needed.

[alg7_munif]

Bring back Canadian GP, Silverstone, Indianapolis and maybe add the full Nürburgring circuit to the calendar.

[Sakae]

I think that "no refuelling" has been forecasted as one of the targets.

[alg7_munif]

Bring back Michelin for the tyres?

[Ali_G]

Bring back Michelin for the tyres?

A tyre deal is something that certainly hasn't been mentioned.

Is there any reason why Bridgestone couldn't supply the new series. I doubt they have exclusivity contracts with F1 ?

[Silver Surfer]

Bring back Michelin for the tyres?

Sell these ugly turd burgular cars to the FIA and let them race them. Bring back the 2005 V-10 cars, launch control, traction control and with slight body work mods and slick Michelin tires.

[eff1fan]

I'd settle for this..

http://www.ultimatec...amp;carnum=1863

[alg7_munif]

Do the teams have any problem with Bernie or FOM too? Bernie is a businessman, he knows that he is about to lose his business. If he is smart, I think that he will approach the teams to create the new series using a new name, independent from the FIA. I think that he only needs to give them a bigger piece of the pie. Instead of losing his business completely, I think that he rather gives up a bit more than what he already gave.

Edited by alg7_munif, 19 June 2009 - 01:56.

[Zeebo]

1. Return to 2m wide cars
2. Return to limited ground effects using two limited venturi tunnels under each sidepod
3. Ban splitters under the nose and enforce a flat bottom from the front axel to tip of the nose
4. Return to small turbo engines (more relevant in todays world with most engines going turbo)
5. Return to fully manual gearboxes (its about driving innit)
6. Reduce front and rear wing to one element.

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[PassWind]

Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Just watch some old US OWR series you would get the idea

[Docc]

Maybe make them oval capable ? WOuld open a few more doors if needed.

Come to think of it..if the same car had to be built with both oval and road course..the compromises in aero..engine tuning etc..might substitute for some of the performance reducing regulations. Interesting..as some might balance toward the ovals..while others the road course. Might also bring in IRL teams and big hitters like Penske..

[Zeebo]

Just watch some old US OWR series you would get the idea

I did. I'm American, grew up watching guys named Andretti, Rahal, and Unser before I fell in love with F1. The CART series was great prior to the split--not as technically impressive as F1, but great racing nonetheless.

[OfficeLinebacker]

Come to think of it..if the same car had to be built with both oval and road course..the compromises in aero..engine tuning etc..might substitute for some of the performance reducing regulations. Interesting..as some might balance toward the ovals..while others the road course. Might also bring in IRL teams and big hitters like Penske..

Don't think that's possible. They're just too different. I don't think you can set up a car to run a staggers and different compounds on L&R sides, without very extensive suspension changes.

Well maybe you could use the same tub IDK

[Conk]

Fit in the box format

Just restrict the overall size and nothing else

You can run any car you want as long as it fits in a area 12'L x 4.5'w x 4.5'h and has 4 or more wheels

Race distance? 300K

Pit stops? If you want to or not!

Tires? Yes

No flying! at least 2 wheels must be in contact with the track 98% of the time

[carbuff]

I'd settle for this..

http://www.ultimatec...amp;carnum=1863

Me too. I would also love them to drop the stupid the engine rev restrictions.