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#1 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 16:20

Dear All - Ordinarily I wouldn't do this but I really need some help and have exhausted everything that I have and everything that I have begged, borrowed and stolen!! A few of you will know that Jeremy Walton and I are currently co-writing a book on my late father (Gerry Marshall for those that don't know of him) to be published by Haynes and part of this is to show all the races that he competed in and the result for each race.

So far I have recorded his participation in 1,451 races in the 43 years that he raced and with hard work (checking Autosport, Motor Sport, other magazines, result sheets, trophies, etc) and some help from one or two people I have managed to trace the result of 1,335 of these races but there are a 116 that I am missing. It may be that he did not actually compete in these races but I either have programmes, entry sheets, diary entries (even my memory on some!!) and I'd like to either cross them off the list or find out the details.

What I have listed below is the races that I'm looking for help on and the format is day/month/year/circuit/car/spec/race and where I am unsure of any of the detail I have put TBC. I apologise for the format, abbreviations and wording but as I'm sure you can imagine it was quite time-consuming entering all this information and I can provide more specific data (track configuration, car details) than I have posted.

What I am really after is either the complete result or just my Dad's result in each race, where you obtained this result from (be it a magazine or your hand-written note in an old programme) and from there I can then hopefully find the official result. N.B. Some of these races I have found in Autosport and Motor Sport but the result either didn't go past to the top six or the information was inconclusive whether Dad was entered or not.

I know this is for a book so I hope the moderators allow this topic as it did start off as a labour of love for me to record my late Dad's career and to prove some of the doubters wrong about his win tally - if all is to be believed it should stand at 625 and I'm not far off. Also, as TNF is more about information sharing if anyone can give me a result I am more than happy to reciprocate with a result from the 500 plus official result sheets, 900 Autosports (500 other assorted magazines too) that I have or provide details from the 486 race programmes I have and I am happy to provide a spreadsheet showing all of the races I have these details for.

18th Aug 1963 Snet Mini Cooper Astely Trophy for Saloon Cars
5th Jul 1964 Snet Jaguar E-Type TBC
26th Dec 1964 Mallory Austin Mini BRSCC Saloon Car
4th Apr 1965 Brands Mini Cooper Ilford Films Trophy Race for Saloon Cars
29/30th May 1965 Tholt-y-WillTBC TBC British Hillclimb Championship
18th Jul 1965 Snet Mini Cooper Saloon Car Race "A" for special saloon cars up to 1000cc
26th Sep 1965 Snet TBC TBC Romford Enthusiasts Car Club
1st Nov 1965 Brands Lotus Elan BARC St Andrews Meeting
6th Mar 1966 Brands TVR Griffith Autosport Cup
11th Apr 1966 Brands Lotus Elan British Eagle Trophy Race for Special Grand Touring Cars
1st Oct 1966 S'stone TVR Griffith 8 Clubs Clubmens Championship GT Car Race over 1600cc
2nd Oct 1966 Brands TVR Griffith Guards Trophy Race GT Cars (F3)
TBA TBC 1966 Snet TBC TBC Diamond Day Barnet Motor Company
12th Mar 1967 Brands TBC TBC Race of Champions
7th May 1967 Autocross TVR Griffith Players No.6 Autocross Championship - Chess Valley MC
18th Jul 1967 Brands TBC TBC London Motor Club
29th Jul 1967 TBC TVR TBC Romford Enthusiasts MiniSprint
9th Jul 1967 Snet Austin Mini 850 BRSCC Festival Saloon Car Endurance for Special Saloons
5th Aug 1967 Brands TBC TBC AGK
3rd Sep 1967 Autocross TBC TBC Players No.6 Autocross - Taunton MC Western Area
14th Sep 1967 Rally TBC TBC LAP RAC Rally
16th Sep 1967 Oulton TVR 1800 S Autosport Championship Final Race
23/24th Sep 1967 Tholt-y-WillTBC TBC European Hillclimb Championship
13th Oct 1967 BlackbusheTBC TBC TBC
22nd Oct 1967 Lydden Vauxhall Viva West Essex Car Club
28th Oct 1967 Rally TBC TBC TBC
12th Nov 1967 Brands Vauxhall Viva Sevenoaks District Motor Club Sevenoaks Cup
24th Nov 1967 Rally TBC TBC Sporting Owners Drivers Club
25th Nov 1967 S'stone Vauxhall Viva National Saloon Car Championship
26th Nov 1967 Brands Ginetta G12 Guards Trophy Race
26th Nov 1967 Brands Vauxhall Viva Redex Gold Cross
26th Nov 1967 Brands Ginetta G12 Nov Trophy Race for Formula Libre Cars
10th Dec 1967 Brands Vauxhall Viva Mini Seven Club
16-20th Nov 1968 Rally Vauxhall Viva LAP RAC Rally
17th Aug 1969 Brands Lotus 61L Formula Ford
17th Apr 1971 S'stone TBC TBC TBC
7th Nov 1971 Santa Pod Vauxhall Viva BDHRA
14th Nov 1971 Brands Vauxhall Viva TBC
28th May 1972 Croft TBC TBC Britax Production Saloon
15th Oct 1972 S'stone TBC TBC Guild of Motor Writers
TBA TBC 1972 Brands TBC TBC Sutton and Cheam Motor Club - Darenth Tophy
TBA TBC 1972 TBC Honda 600cc TBC
11th Mar 1973 Mallory BMW 3.0 Si Castrol Production Saloon Car Championship (Group One)
20th May 1973 TBC Austin Marina Britax Production Saloon
16th Jul 1973 Combe Consul GT FordSport Celebrity Race
15th Jul 1973 Cadwell Austin Marina Britax Production Saloon
19th Aug 1973 Brands TBC TBC Castrol Production Saloon Car Championship (Group One)
22nd Sep 1973 Oulton TBC TBC FordSport Day
12th Apr 1974 Oulton Vauxhall Firenza Saloons
27th Apr 1974 Oulton Austin Marina Britax Production Saloon
TBA TBC 1974 Brands TBC TBC MG Car Club
8th Mar 1975 Oulton Vauxhall Firenza Simoniz Special Saloons
20th Apr 1975 Thruxton Vauxhall Firenza Forward Trust Special Saloon Car Championship
27th Apr 1975 S'stone Vauxhall TBC Forward Trust Special Saloon Car Championship
18th May 1975 Mallory Vauxhall Firenza Forward Trust Special Saloon Car Championship
21st Sep 1975 Mallory Vauxhall Firenza Radio 1 Production Saloon
14th Mar 1976 S'stone Vauxhall Firenza BBC Radio 1 Production Saloon
6th Jul 1976 S'stone TBC TBC Britax Production Saloon
27th Jul 1976 Croft TBC TBC Britax Production Saloon
10th Jul 1976 S'stone Sunbeam LeMans St John H - 27th - The Philips Electrical Trophy Race
14th Aug 1976 Oulton TBC TBC Britax Production Saloon
15th Aug 1976 Mallory TBC TBC Britax Production Saloon
5th Sep 1976 S'stone TBC TBC Britax Production Saloon
24th Apr 1977 S'stone Vauxhall Firenza BRMB British Radio Production Saloon Car
28th May 1977 Donington Vauxhall Firenza Else Motor Group Super Saloons
12th Jul 1977 Brands Ford Escort Debenhams Escort Celebrity Race
3rd Jul 1977 Brands Ford Escort Debenhams Escort Celebrity Race
18th Sep 1977 S'stone Jaguar Mk2 2.4 Classic Saloon Car Club
TBA TBC 1977 TBC TBC TBC Classic Saloon Car Club
21st May 1978 Donington Porsche 924 Porsche 924 Championship
4th Jul 1978 S'stone Porsche 924 Porsche 924 Championship
11th Jul 1978 Brands Porsche 924 Porsche 924 Championship
9-11th Feb 1979 Rally Ford Escort Henley Forklift Galway Rally
26th Dec 1979 Brands Triumph TR7 V8 Prodsports
TBA TBC 1981 Donington TBC TBC Commemorative Event
1st Jul 1984 Brands TBC TBC Metro Breaker Modified Saloon Car
8th Jul 1984 Donington Opel Monza Uniroyal Tyres Production Saloon
14th Oct 1984 Brands Opel Monza Uniroyal Tyres Production Saloon
28th Sep 1986 Snet Sunbeam Tiger HSCC John Scott Insurance Endurance Race
29th Mar 1987 Brands Ford Escort Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
20th Jul 1987 S'stone MG B HSCC Guildford Estates Classic Sports Car
20th Sep 1987 Mallory MG B Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship
27th Sep 1987 Snet TBC TBC HSCC Endurance Race
25th Oct 1987 Snet MG B 1840 Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship
TBA TBC 1987 S'stone Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
TBA TBC 1987 Brands Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
TBA TBC 1987 Snet Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
25th Jul 1988 Brands Ford P100 Uniroyal P100 Challenge
26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix
26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix
9th Jul 1989 Donington Opel Manta Thundersaloon Championship - Johnson Tiles
TBA Feb 1991 Brands TBC TBC Chiltern Circle and Harrow Car Club Sprint
27/28th Jul 1991 Brands Caterham Vaux Caterham Vauxhall Challenge
14th Sep 1991 Oulton Aston V8 AMOC Intermarque Championship
14th Jul 1992 S'stone Aston V8 St John H - 43rd - AMOC Intermarque Championship
25/26th Jul 1992 S'stone Aston Zagato BRDC 60s GT Race
12/13th Sep 1992 S'stone Ford Cosworth BRDC/BRSCC Saloon Car Championship Part 1
12/13th Sep 1992 S'stone Ford Cosworth BRDC/BRSCC Saloon Car Championship Part 2
12/13th Sep 1992 S'stone TVR Tuscan TVR Tuscan Challenge - Mobil
9th Dec 1992 S'stone Ford Cosworth BRDC/BRSCC Saloon Car Championship
24/25th Jul 1993 S'stone Healey 3000 Coys of Kensington
24/25th Jul 1993 S'stone Healey 3000 Coys of Kensington
9th Oct 1993 Oulton Rover Vitesse Classic Saloon Car Club Pre '83 Group One
1st May 1994 Brands Aston DB4 AMOC Thoroughbred Sportscars
TBA TBC 1994 S'stone TBC TBC MG Car Club Chapman Warren Trophy
TBA TBC 1994 S'stone TBC TBC MG Car Club Chapman Warren Trophy
29/30th Jul 1995 S'stone MG B 1860 Coys of Kensington GT Race
29/30th Jul 1995 S'stone MG B 1860 Coys of Kensington GT Race
6/7th Jul 1996 Brands Aston V8 AMOC Intermarque Championship - ERF
4-6th Sep 1998 Donington Lotus Cortina Historic Touring Cars
TBA May 2000 S'stone TBC TBC Top Hat Endurance Series Historic Cars
28th Oct 2000 Snet Ford RS 2000 750 Motor Club Holland Birkett Six Hour Relay Race
25-27th Aug 2001 S'stone Ford Galaxie The Jack Sears Trophy for pre '65 Touring Cars
1st Oct 2001 Donington TBC TBC 3rd Team Half Hour Invitation Race
25/26th Sep 2004 Brands Aston DB4 AMOC UBS Championship
25/26th Sep 2004 Brands Aston DB4 Colonade Sporstcar Residental Championship


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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 17:39

Gregor
I take it that list is of races/meetings you don't have results for?
Have you checked Autosport for all of them, or are you missing some copies?
What about Motoring News?

#3 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 19:13

These are my missing ones David and I've tried Autosport for all of them but only about half were in there and three quarters of those said GM raced but didn't list the end result.
Unfortunately my Motoring News collection is rubbish and the one place I know that has them (The Heritage Motor Centre at Gaydon) are proving very difficult to get hold of.

TNF is a bit of a last resort as I know how good some of you guys were at keeping programmes and writing stuff down.

#4 David McKinney

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 20:03

I'll see what I can find in MN - though my collection is far from complete
Might have some other sources, eg official results, for some of the '80s meetings

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 20:49

These are my missing ones David and I've tried Autosport for all of them but only about half were in there and three quarters of those said GM raced but didn't list the end result.
Unfortunately my Motoring News collection is rubbish and the one place I know that has them (The Heritage Motor Centre at Gaydon) are proving very difficult to get hold of.

TNF is a bit of a last resort as I know how good some of you guys were at keeping programmes and writing stuff down.

Gaydon are very helpful if you actually go there, Gregor. You can even get into the whole place for free if you march confidently up to the front desk and say you're using the archive :) (It's on the first floor - take the lift and turn left and it's dead ahead!)

Beaulieu also have a full set of MN - but unlike Gaydon they charge to use their archive and you have to book in advance. They also charge for photocopies, which you're not allowed to do yourself. Last time I was at Gaydon they did me about 20 copies at no charge!


#6 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 21:59

Been there and tried it, plus the new BRDC archivist (who has been excellent help as has Gordon, the old BRDC doorman) has just come from Gaydon and gave me all the contact details of the new person at Gaydon and still no help unfortunately.

I didn't know about Beaulieu so I'll give Lord Montagu a go so to speak and I find a digital camera helps, almost like a Bond spy camera!!

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 22:10

Been there and tried it, plus the new BRDC archivist (who has been excellent help as has Gordon, the old BRDC doorman) has just come from Gaydon and gave me all the contact details of the new person at Gaydon and still no help unfortunately.

Well, it's two years since I was there, so maybe things have changed.

I didn't know about Beaulieu so I'll give Lord Montagu a go so to speak and I find a digital camera helps, almost like a Bond spy camera!!

Well, connections with His Lordship might help, but in my experience neither Gaydon nor Beaulieu allow digital cameras.


#8 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 05:25

I've had a quick look through my almost complete collection of 1967 Motoring News.

7th May 1967 Autocross TVR Griffith Players No.6 Autocross Championship - Chess Valley MC

...John Ackers (in Gerry Marshall's TVR Griffith) from Liverpool in the Northern area, came along to show the Southerns what it was all about.

...until Ackers appeared with the blue and silver TVR ... first flying lap was just on the minute and his final one a remarkable 1 min 58.84sec - the only sub-2min run of the day and a deserving FTD winner. Local man Gerry Marshall drove the TVR at the end of the day but could not better 2min 11.30sec; almost stopping on the second lap although his first was just on the minute. Although Ackers picked ip the 10 pounds for winning the class and another 5 pounds for FTD "Barmoco" man Marshall had the honour of taking the GT class points which must have made Martin Lilley and the rest of the TVR team who had journeyed down from Blackpool, very satisfied.


9th Jul 1967 Snet Austin Mini 850 BRSCC Festival Saloon Car Endurance for Special Saloons

Another 850 Mini in trouble was that of Gerry Marshall/Alan Keefe. The car had refuse to start on the grid. and after the starter had been changed it was found the plugs had been wrongly fitted.

No further mention in the report or results.


23/24th Sep 1967 Tholt-y-WillTBC TBC European Hillclimb Championship

Gerry Marshall flogged up in a very second-hand looking E-coupe and pipped Martin Lilley's BarMoCo-blown Tuscan in which Gerry took the last year's award in the same class..



I'll check the other years later.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 07:34

I'll stop duplicating the effort then

From earlier issues checked so far:
5/7/64 Snett - no mention in GT Cars Over 1600 race (but he did win the 1000cc saloons race)
1/10/66 Silverstone - no mention
2/10/66 Brands - no mention

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 07:47

I've had a quick look through my almost complete collection of 1967 Motoring News.


Brilliant, thanks Milan. Some background on those three:-

7th May 1967 Players No.6 Autocross - Dad's diary said the head-gasket had blown and the Autosport report says there was steam coming out of the car.
9th Jul 1967 Snet BRSCC Endurance for Special Saloons - This was Bill Blydensteins lightweight Mini and Dad shared it with Alan Keefe (who now lives in France) and the Autosport report says they lost 7 laps at the start but I can't find the result.
23/24th Sep 1967 Tholt-y-Will European Hillclimb Championship - That's fanatastic, as this came from my Mum and it had stuck in her mind as the previous year Dad had won his class and got 5th BTD in the TVR Griffith and my oldest sister was born (on the 24th) so for '67 it was a family outing and Mum was sure Dad was in an E-Type and there is a very good chance that this "very second-hand looking car" was actually the famous CUT7!!

Edited by Gregor Marshall, 20 June 2009 - 07:47.


#11 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 07:57

I'll stop duplicating the effort then

From earlier issues checked so far:


Thanks David.

5/7/64 Snett - no mention in GT Cars Over 1600 race - Martin Lilley won his class in an E-Type but according to Dad's diary he drove but I'm trying to find another reference.
But he did win the 1000cc saloons race - Thanks; I've got the trophy he won (well, it's on display at Donington!!) plus the Autosport (10th July).
1/10/66 Silverstone - I have the programme for this but he might still have been in the Isle of Man for the Tholt-y-Will Hillclimb on the 24th & 25th (when my sister was born).
2/10/66 Brands - I have the programme for this but it was Mum and Dad's first wedding anniversary and see above so he might have been family-orientated for once!!

Edited by Gregor Marshall, 20 June 2009 - 07:57.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 22:03

Have you tried the National Motor Racing Archive ? Despite the grand name, I believe it is a relatively small amateur enthusiast run collection but they may have something.

#13 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 05:24

I can find no mention of your father in the reports of these meetings.

12th Mar 1967 Brands TBC TBC Race of Champions
3rd Sep 1967 Autocross TBC TBC Players No.6 Autocross - Taunton MC Western Area
22nd Oct 1967 Lydden Vauxhall Viva West Essex Car Club
12th Nov 1967 Brands Vauxhall Viva Sevenoaks District Motor Club Sevenoaks Cup
26th Nov 1967 Brands Ginetta G12 Guards Trophy Race
26th Nov 1967 Brands Vauxhall Viva Redex Gold Cross
26th Nov 1967 Brands Ginetta G12 Nov Trophy Race for Formula Libre Cars
10th Dec 1967 Brands Vauxhall Viva Mini Seven Club


I can find no reports of these meetings

18th Jul 1967 Brands TBC TBC London Motor Club
29th Jul 1967 TBC TVR TBC Romford Enthusiasts MiniSprint
14th Sep 1967 Rally TBC TBC LAP RAC Rally
13th Oct 1967 BlackbusheTBC TBC TBC
28th Oct 1967 Rally TBC TBC TBC
24th Nov 1967 Rally TBC TBC Sporting Owners Drivers Club
25th Nov 1967 S'stone Vauxhall Viva National Saloon Car Championship

Towards the end of 1967 most rallies were cancelled because of the foot and mouth outbreak.

I’m missing the issue of Motoring News that would have had the report of this meeting

5th Aug 1967 Brands TBC TBC AGK



#14 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 05:36

16-20th Nov 1968 Rally Vauxhall Viva LAP RAC Rally


Not listed in the entry list and no mention in the report or results.

#15 David McKinney

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 06:27

I’m missing the issue of Motoring News that would have had the report of this meeting

5th Aug 1967 Brands TBC TBC AGK


So am I, though I've got most of the rest of 1967


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Posted 21 June 2009 - 08:01

From my progs and "on the day" annotations. Note where I have said non-starter, in all cases Gerry was not on the grid list so presumably did not practice -
4 April 65 Brands Ilford Film 1000cc #28 Austin Cooper S = non starter
31 Oct 65 (NOT 1 Nov) Brands St Andrews Cup – not in programme – suggest you double check this reference.
2 Oct 66 Brands Guards Trophy #93 TVR = non starter
12 Mar 67 Brands Race of Champs – not in programme
18 July 67 Brands London MC – typo ; date should be 18 June not July - Redex Gold Cross Saloon 1000cc Took over #`141 Mini 850 entry of Ken Ayres – retired after 7 of 10 laps.
18 June Silmos Trophy GT #121 TVR – non starter
5 Aug 67 Brands – according to “Forthcoming events” in preceding prog this was a motor cycle race mtg. Cars raced 6th Aug but Gerry does not seem to be entered.
12 Nov 67 Brands Sevenoaks DMC – not listed in prog and did not race
26 Nov 67 Brands Guards Trophy #16 Ginetta G12 – non starter
Redex Saloons - #217 Viva – non starter
F Libre race Ginetta – non starter
17 Aug 69 Brands F Ford #79 8th in Heat 2; 17th in Final
Also ran in Viva in Redex Saloons 11th (last) after a pit stop (3rd on grid)
19 Aug 73 Brands Prod Saloon #9 Capri – non starter
14 Oct 84 Brands Prod Saloon – not entered ; Opel Monzas driven by A Jeffrey, J Cleland, T Lanfranchi. #1 shown in prog as drive TBN. Actual driver was Jeffrey, maybe Gerry was going to drive this entry?

Dont forget that are fully detailed Record Books available on Goodwood (Robert Barker), Crystal Palace (me-Richard Page), Oulton Park & Aintree (Graham Heath). This list EVERY entry for EVERY race and almost all races have full results - the contents are of course copyrighted.
RAP

Edited by RAP, 21 June 2009 - 08:14.


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Posted 21 June 2009 - 09:31

6th March 1966 Brands TVR Griffith Autosport Cup
Gerry isn’t mentioned in the MN report – but it does say that the Barnet Motor Co. TVR Griffith was raced by Tony Lanfranchi.


9-11 Feb 1979 Rally Ford Escort Henley Forklift Galway Rally

Not mentioned in the MN report, or listed as a finisher in the results.
It might be worth asking about the rallies in one of the rallying threads (TNF’r Fred Gallagher will have painful memories of the ’79 Galway, having suffered a nasty crash).

Rallysport is another good source of rally results. I don’t have one covering the ’79 Galway; there may be copies at Beaulieu.

The British Newspaper Library at Colindale (north London) has a full set of Motoring News


#18 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:07

Have you tried the National Motor Racing Archive ?


Hi Duncan - yes, I tried them last year when I first started doing this but the price was prohibitive.
Once I have finished I'll have a lot of stuff to donate to them as I've got duplicate programmes and results plus where I've bought collections from ebay I have about 100 I didn't need.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:10

I can find no mention of your father in the reports of these meetings.

12th Mar 1967 Brands TBC TBC Race of Champions
3rd Sep 1967 Autocross TBC TBC Players No.6 Autocross - Taunton MC Western Area
22nd Oct 1967 Lydden Vauxhall Viva West Essex Car Club
12th Nov 1967 Brands Vauxhall Viva Sevenoaks District Motor Club Sevenoaks Cup
26th Nov 1967 Brands Ginetta G12 Guards Trophy Race
26th Nov 1967 Brands Vauxhall Viva Redex Gold Cross
26th Nov 1967 Brands Ginetta G12 Nov Trophy Race for Formula Libre Cars
10th Dec 1967 Brands Vauxhall Viva Mini Seven Club


I can find no reports of these meetings

18th Jul 1967 Brands TBC TBC London Motor Club
29th Jul 1967 TBC TVR TBC Romford Enthusiasts MiniSprint
14th Sep 1967 Rally TBC TBC LAP RAC Rally
13th Oct 1967 BlackbusheTBC TBC TBC
28th Oct 1967 Rally TBC TBC TBC
24th Nov 1967 Rally TBC TBC Sporting Owners Drivers Club
25th Nov 1967 S'stone Vauxhall Viva National Saloon Car Championship
Towards the end of 1967 most rallies were cancelled because of the foot and mouth outbreak.

I’m missing the issue of Motoring News that would have had the report of this meeting

5th Aug 1967 Brands TBC TBC AGK


Thanks for looking Milan and thanks for the foot and mouth heads up - that's something I definitely wouldn't have known about!!

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#20 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:13

16-20th Nov 1968 Rally Vauxhall Viva LAP RAC Rally

Not listed in the entry list and no mention in the report or results.


It'a bit of 2+2 equalling 22 that one and I think I can cross that off.
Dad has it written in his diary and a fellow TNF member is sure Dad did the RAC Rally in a Lotus Elan (I'm not sure how that's possible but he assures me) and I know Dad raced the Viva at Brands during the rally and I think there was a stage or a service are for the rally at Brands.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:15

I got plenty of 1986-1990 Motoring News but I can't keep track of what races I can look up as plenty of people have made their inputs in thisd thread! :drunk:

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:20

6th March 1966 Brands TVR Griffith Autosport Cup
Gerry isn’t mentioned in the MN report – but it does say that the Barnet Motor Co. TVR Griffith was raced by Tony Lanfranchi.

9-11 Feb 1979 Rally Ford Escort Henley Forklift Galway Rally

Not mentioned in the MN report, or listed as a finisher in the results.
It might be worth asking about the rallies in one of the rallying threads (TNF’r Fred Gallagher will have painful memories of the ’79 Galway, having suffered a nasty crash).


Thanks Pete

I think Tony did race the Griff too but just needed to check as seems slightly odd but it might have been in preperation of the BOAC 6 hour race at Brands that they did together on the 8th May. (Dad did race Roy Ensor's 1293 Mini at the March meeting)
As for the rally I'll cross that one off too, it did seem like a strange one but there was an announcement in 1st February Autosport - I'll cross this one off too.

Thanks for the advice too.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:53

From my progs and "on the day" annotations. Note where I have said non-starter, in all cases Gerry was not on the grid list so presumably did not practice -
4 April 65 Brands Ilford Film 1000cc #28 Austin Cooper S = non starter - Thanks
31 Oct 65 (NOT 1 Nov) Brands St Andrews Cup – not in programme – suggest you double check this reference - I took this (along with the date) from a picture in Autosport that looks like Dad in the Barnet Motor Company Elan - obviously not so deleted.
2 Oct 66 Brands Guards Trophy #93 TVR = non starter - looks like the excess of the Isle of Man had kicked in - deleted
12 Mar 67 Brands Race of Champs – not in programme - This is from Dad's diary so he must have just spectated - will dig deeper (somehow!!).
18 July 67 Brands London MC – typo ; date should be 18 June not July - Redex Gold Cross Saloon 1000cc Took over #`141 Mini 850 entry of Ken Ayres – retired after 7 of 10 laps. - sorry, the date was a typo by me and I think this was Bill Blydenstein's Mini, Dad raced it the weekend before at Snetterton.
18 June Silmos Trophy GT #121 TVR – non starter - Thanks
5 Aug 67 Brands – according to “Forthcoming events” in preceding prog this was a motor cycle race mtg. Cars raced 6th Aug but Gerry does not seem to be entered. - this is from Dad's diary so maybe spectated only.
12 Nov 67 Brands Sevenoaks DMC – not listed in prog and did not race - This is supposed to be the 1st Vauxhall race and comes from Dad's diary.
26 Nov 67 Brands Guards Trophy #16 Ginetta G12 – non starter
Redex Saloons - #217 Viva – non starter
F Libre race Ginetta – non starter - Dad's diary and programme (great write up in the programme - Well-known saloon exponent GM to drive S&K car, renowned for his tyre-smoking, sideways attitudes should be good value)
17 Aug 69 Brands F Ford #79 8th in Heat 2; 17th in Final - Great, I had the heat but not the final (Dad's diary just says "Well back, springs shagged")
Also ran in Viva in Redex Saloons 11th (last) after a pit stop (3rd on grid)
19 Aug 73 Brands Prod Saloon #9 Capri – non starter - This is from CCC, plus Dad raced Old Nail and a BMW at the meet.
14 Oct 84 Brands Prod Saloon – not entered ; Opel Monzas driven by A Jeffrey, J Cleland, T Lanfranchi. #1 shown in prog as drive TBN. Actual driver was Jeffrey, maybe Gerry was going to drive this entry? - This was Dad's car but due to reasons beyond his control Andrew took it over at the end of '84 and for all of '85.

Dont forget that are fully detailed Record Books available on Goodwood (Robert Barker), Crystal Palace (me-Richard Page), Oulton Park & Aintree (Graham Heath). This list EVERY entry for EVERY race and almost all races have full results - the contents are of course copyrighted.
RAP


Thanks for the advice and the above Richard. I'm confident on all Goodwood results (16), Crystal Palace (11 - I've seen your excellent book and one day I will get a copy but it's a bit out of my budget at the moment), Aintree results (just the 1 event) but Oulton Park I will see if I can get Graham's book (can't find it on the net at the moment) or contact him as I have 99 events but am missing 8 results.

#24 MCS

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:59

Thanks for the advice and the above Richard. I'm confident on all Goodwood results (16), Crystal Palace (11 - I've seen your excellent book and one day I will get a copy but it's a bit out of my budget at the moment), Aintree results (just the 1 event) but Oulton Park I will see if I can get Graham's book (can't find it on the net at the moment) or contact him as I have 99 events but am missing 8 results.


Gregor

Which Oulton Park ones are you still missing?


#25 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 11:26

I got plenty of 1986-1990 Motoring News but I can't keep track of what races I can look up as plenty of people have made their inputs in thisd thread! :drunk:


Still after these ones bigears and any help greatly appreciated:-

28th Sep 1986 Snet Sunbeam Tiger HSCC John Scott Insurance Endurance Race
29th Mar 1987 Brands Ford Escort Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
20th Jul 1987 S'stone MG B HSCC Guildford Estates Classic Sports Car
20th Sep 1987 Mallory MG B Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship
27th Sep 1987 Snet TBC TBC HSCC Endurance Race
25th Oct 1987 Snet MG B 1840 Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship
TBA TBC 1987 S'stone Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
TBA TBC 1987 Brands Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
TBA TBC 1987 Snet Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
25th Jul 1988 Brands Ford P100 Uniroyal P100 Challenge
26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix
26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix
9th Jul 1989 Donington Opel Manta Thundersaloon Championship - Johnson Tiles

There's also a round of the 1989 AMOC Gordon Russell Intermarque from Cadwell Park but I can't remember when it was but Dad won.

#26 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 11:39

Gregor - Which Oulton Park ones are you still missing?


These ones:-

16th Sep 1967 Autosport Final TVR 1800S
22nd Sep 1973 FordSport Day TBC
12th Apr 1974 Saloons Firenza
27th Apr 1974 Britax Prod Saloon Austin Marina
8th Mar 1975 Simoniz Special Sal Firenza
14th Aug 1976 Britax Prod Saloon TBC
14th Sep 1991 AMOC Intermarque Aston V8
TBA TBC 1992 TVR Tuscans TVR Tuscan - 6th (can't remember the date but it was wet!!)
9th Oct 1993 CSCC Pre 83 Grp1 Rover Vitesse

Also, I have a small silver tropher fow winning class C in a BRSCC event in 1969 but have no other details.

#27 MCS

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 15:12

Gregor

These are the ones I have programmes for:

22nd Sep 1973 FordSport Day TBC – date is correct, but no sign of Gerry Marshall. Only saloon races were a Celebrity race and a round of the Motorcraft Mexico challenge, won by Tony Dron

12th Apr 1974 Saloons Firenza – there was a non-championship Gandy Brakes sponsored ten lapper for special saloons, but no sign of Gerry in the entry or results (race won by Dave Millington)

27th Apr 1974 Britax Prod Saloon Austin Marina – entered by Marshall Wingfield at no. 134, but no evidence as to any result or even if the car started

8th Mar 1975 Simoniz Special Saloon Firenza – again doesn’t appear in the entry list

14th Aug 1976 Britax Prod Saloon TBC – again no evidence of an entry



#28 John Ginger

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 22:02

Gregor,
Gaydon is only up the road from me, so I asked a relative who used to work there

I have some info on who to talk to and would be more than happy to make some enquiries with a view to gaining access to archived MN's

Anyway I think the list will get a lot shorter once the knowledge and info available from TNFer's has chance to filter through

Let me know and Good Luck :up:




#29 bigears

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 07:21

Still after these ones bigears and any help greatly appreciated:-

28th Sep 1986 Snet Sunbeam Tiger HSCC John Scott Insurance Endurance Race
29th Mar 1987 Brands Ford Escort Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
20th Jul 1987 S'stone MG B HSCC Guildford Estates Classic Sports Car
20th Sep 1987 Mallory MG B Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship
27th Sep 1987 Snet TBC TBC HSCC Endurance Race
25th Oct 1987 Snet MG B 1840 Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship
TBA TBC 1987 S'stone Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
TBA TBC 1987 Brands Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
TBA TBC 1987 Snet Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
25th Jul 1988 Brands Ford P100 Uniroyal P100 Challenge
26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix
26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix
9th Jul 1989 Donington Opel Manta Thundersaloon Championship - Johnson Tiles

There's also a round of the 1989 AMOC Gordon Russell Intermarque from Cadwell Park but I can't remember when it was but Dad won.


I will have a gander in my MN collection tonight and I will get back to you. Maybe I could scan them if it is any interest for you?

#30 bigears

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 19:05

28th Sep 1986 Snet Sunbeam Tiger HSCC John Scott Insurance Endurance Race.
No mention of the Snetterton event at all.

29th Mar 1987 Brands Ford Escort Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils.

...Behind the Mintons, Hugh Marshall and the evergreen Tony Lanfranchi brought their Escort into sixth place, three laps down.

Motoring News 1st April 1986. MN made a typo of his name?!

20th Jul 1987 Donington MG B HSCC Guildford Estates Classic Sports Car.
Sorry, nothing there apart from the fact that it is at Donington, not Silverstone.

20th Sep 1987 Mallory MG B Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship. (Classes: B, C, & D)

Martin Dell (MCB) ran out victor of the MGCC B/C/V8 event when racelong leader Malcolm Beer (GT V8) went out on the last lap. Tim Ranson (B V8) came from a lowly grid position to second and Doug Smith (C GT) was third. Not far behind came Rod Longton (B Roadster) who with Joe Blackburn (B) and Gerry Marshall (B) gave us some clean, hard racing throughout.

Class winner: G.Marshall (2.0 B Murray) Fastest laps: Marshall 56.7s (85.71mph)
Motoring News 23rd September 1987.

27th Sep 1987 Snet TBC TBC HSCC Endurance Race.

5. G.Marshall/B Sidery-Smith (MCB)

Motoring News 30th September 1987.

25th Oct 1987 Snet MG B 1840 Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship.

...The gap promptly filled by Ron Hopkinson and Graham Davis, with Gerry Marshall making up the leading quartet... Hibberd fought back briefly but fell back over the last half of the race to finish fourth leaving Davis and Marshall to battle for the runner-up position which Gerry claimed on the final lap after swapping positions several times.

2. G.Marshall (MCB)


28th Jun 1987 Snet Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils.
Nothing from MN but I found a date for the event though.

26th Jul 1987 S'stone Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
Nothing from MN but I found a date for the event though.

9th Aug 1987 Brands Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils.

Second in class B was the well driven Tony Lanfranchi/Hugh Marshall Escort Warrior....

Motoring News 12th August 1987. Different car there?

25th Jul 1988 Brands Ford P100 Uniroyal P100 Challenge.
Nothing in there.

26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix.
Nothing there but I doubt it is the same weekend as the the Brands Hatch 1000kms.

26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix
Could you clairfy with this? Two Truck races or is it on a different date?

9th Jul 1989 Donington Opel Manta Thundersaloon Championship - Johnson Tiles.
Nothing again.

There's also a round of the 1989 AMOC Gordon Russell Furniture Intermarque from Cadwell Park but I can't remember when it was but Dad won.

10th Sep Cadwell TBC TBC AMOC Gordon Russell Furniture Intermarque

I looked in the Cadwell article and there was no AMOC race but funnily there is a lovely photo of Gerry driving a TVR down Paddock on the same page and I looked into the Brands article and he did win the TVR Tuscan race on that weekend! How odd.

Anyway here is the result:

10th Sep Brands TVR Tuscan TVR Tuscan Challenge
1. G.Marshall 12m 56.41s (96.44mph)

Motoring News 13th September 1989. He drove the #55 David Gerald Motorsport TVR Tuscan.


I hope this helps so far. I got Motoring News from 1980 as well. Let me know if you need anything. I will dig up for 1988 and 1989 for you very soon.

EDIT>> All done!

Edited by bigears, 22 June 2009 - 19:39.


#31 RAP

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 07:23

"12 Nov 67 Brands Sevenoaks DMC – not listed in prog and did not race - This is supposed to be the 1st Vauxhall race and comes from Dad's diary.
"
Double checked. Confirmed not in prog and no extra runner on my lap chart. Would have thought debut of Viva would merit some mention in Autosport or MN either in report or news section?

#32 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 10:09

Here are a few more.

The 17th April 1971 meeting at Silverstone was a SUNBAC event and had races for F750, Saloons, Formula Ford, Sports Cars, F1200 and Formule Libre. No mention of Gerry anywhere in the report.

No mention in the report of the 14th November 1971 meeting at Brands Hatch.

The Santa Pod meeting in November 1971 was a two-day affair organised by the BDR& HRA. It was badly affected by rain and finally abandoned at 3.30pm on the Sunday.
No mention of Gerry but Bill Blydenstein was there with two Vauxhalls.

Not mentioned in the 28 May 1972 Croft report.

The Sutton and Cheam Motor Club event at Brands Hatch was on August 13 1972.

There was a half-hour delay in the proceedings to tidy up after Gerry Marshall’s Vauxhall Firenza threw a rear wheel, rolled at Druids and caught fire. Marshall was rescued in exemplary fashion by one of the marshals, Alan Maynell, but like Nero he had to watch from the sidelines while his car blazed.

Group 1 Saloons – 10 laps

The Castrol Gp1 race was split into two parts, this one for the little ‘uns up to 600 pounds basic price and 800 to 1100 pounds. Gerry Marshall held pole position in the Dealer Team Vauxhall bronze coloured 2.3-litre Firenza, only the second outing for the car, with Bernard Unett’s Mopar Avenger alongside.

With the larger engine homologated, Marshall carved a couple of seconds off his 64.0s class record in the morning, and lowered the time officially in the early laps of the race, while drawing from the madly scrapping Unett and Alan Wilkinson, whose Mexico seemed intent on marriage with the Coventry product.

Having established his lead, Marshall relaxed a bit and seemed in danger of being caught on the seventh lap. At Druids, the left rear wheel flew away and bounced to the bottom of the hill, while the Firenza overturned and caught fire while in the air. The car came to rest on its roof, half way down the hill, with Marshall trapped inside as the roof had caved in around the windscreen area. While he was trying to escape (the car was well ablaze as the main pipe to the fuel tank was severed) a marshal appeared at the window and pulled the driver out feet-first. It was certainly due to Mr Maynell’s promptness that Marshall was completely unharmed, but the car was virtually gutted.


#33 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 10:42

There is no mention of Gerry in the Group 1 race at Mallory Park on 11 March 1973 but he did dominate the Special Saloon race in the Thames Television Fireza. The car was using the 16-valve Lotus head for the first time and Bill Blydenstein was reported as saying it was giving about 230 bhp with “plenty more to come.”

Do you need any info on that race?


#34 Mallory Dan

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 14:58

Not sure if you've got these, but they were on your original list Gregor. All at Mallory :

18-5-75 Forward Trust Spec Saloons - Gerry not entered. He was in the Radio 1 prodsaloons tho', finishing 9th overall, 5th in class behind various Capris.

21-9-75 Radio 1 Prodsaloons again, entered. Looks like he quallied well down, didn't finish in top 4 in class.

15-8-76 Britax Prodsaloons - Gerry not entered at all.



#35 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 20:16

22nd Sep 1973 FordSport Day TBC – date is correct, but no sign of Gerry Marshall. Only saloon races were a Celebrity race and a round of the Motorcraft Mexico challenge, won by Tony Dron - This was a diary entry from Dad but maybe he didn't get invited!! I'll scratch.

12th Apr 1974 Saloons Firenza – there was a non-championship Gandy Brakes sponsored ten lapper for special saloons, but no sign of Gerry in the entry or results (race won by Dave Millington) - This is from a fan who was spectating, maybe he got mixed up but Dad did drive Dave's Firenza but I'll scratch.

27th Apr 1974 Britax Prod Saloon Austin Marina – entered by Marshall Wingfield at no. 134, but no evidence as to any result or even if the car started - This is from a photo by one of our fellow TNFers, Peter McFadeyn - maybe he just practised.

8th Mar 1975 Simoniz Special Saloon Firenza – again doesn’t appear in the entry list - Another diary entry and he did the prod saloon race but I'll scratch.

14th Aug 1976 Britax Prod Saloon TBC – again no evidence of an entry - Another diary entry but I'll scratch.


Thanks for looking.

#36 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 20:18

Gaydon is only up the road from me, so I asked a relative who used to work there

I have some info on who to talk to and would be more than happy to make some enquiries with a view to gaining access to archived MN's

Anyway I think the list will get a lot shorter once the knowledge and info available from TNFer's has chance to filter through

Let me know and Good Luck :up:


John, yes, please ask. The e-mail address I was given was from Stephanie Sykes who was an archivist there and I know one of her projects was archiving every Motoring News. Steph is the new BRDC archivist and is a lovely lady and has been really helpful in allowing me access to the BRDC archive at the Farm.

#37 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 20:42

QUOTE (Gregor Marshall @ Jun 21 2009, 12:26)
28th Sep 1986 Snet Sunbeam Tiger HSCC John Scott Insurance Endurance Race.
No mention of the Snetterton event at all - No problem, Dad drove an MGB with Dave Franklin and the Tiger with David Barraclough - got the MG result but not the Tiger.

29th Mar 1987 Brands Ford Escort Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils.
QUOTE
...Behind the Mintons, Hugh Marshall and the evergreen Tony Lanfranchi brought their Escort into sixth place, three laps down.
Motoring News 1st April 1986. MN made a typo of his name?! - No, Hugh was a driver too (no relation). Dad shared witrh Joe Ward and the car number should be 7.

20th Jul 1987 Donington MG B HSCC Guildford Estates Classic Sports Car.
Sorry, nothing there apart from the fact that it is at Donington, not Silverstone. My mistake, sorry, should be 20th June 1987.

20th Sep 1987 Mallory MG B Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship. (Classes: B, C, & D)
QUOTE
Martin Dell (MCB) ran out victor of the MGCC B/C/V8 event when racelong leader Malcolm Beer (GT V8) went out on the last lap. Tim Ranson (B V8) came from a lowly grid position to second and Doug Smith (C GT) was third. Not far behind came Rod Longton (B Roadster) who with Joe Blackburn (B) and Gerry Marshall (B) gave us some clean, hard racing throughout.
Class winner: G.Marshall (2.0 B Murray) Fastest laps: Marshall 56.7s (85.71mph) - Brillaint, thank you. Incidentally Martin Dell became Dad's Sales Manager at Marshall Wingfield and when Dad was away from work ill (he had a heart attack), Martin ran the place and things went missing, without going into detail, and unfortunately Martin commited suicide but that's another story.
Motoring News 23rd September 1987.

27th Sep 1987 Snet TBC TBC HSCC Endurance Race.
QUOTE
5. G.Marshall/B Sidery-Smith (MCB) - Is this class or overall or can you let me know the top 4? I have the practice times (11th overall) and can work out the classes with the results.
Motoring News 30th September 1987.

25th Oct 1987 Snet MG B 1840 Dutton Forshaw MG Car Club BCV8 Championship.
QUOTE
...The gap promptly filled by Ron Hopkinson and Graham Davis, with Gerry Marshall making up the leading quartet... Hibberd fought back briefly but fell back over the last half of the race to finish fourth leaving Davis and Marshall to battle for the runner-up position which Gerry claimed on the final lap after swapping positions several times.
2. G.Marshall (MCB) - Great, thank you.

28th Jun 1987 Snet Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils.
Nothing from MN but I found a date for the event though. - He definitely did this, sharing with Tony Strawson, I was there!!

26th Jul 1987 S'stone Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils
Nothing from MN but I found a date for the event though. - He definitely did this, sharing with Tony Strawson, I was there(again)!!

9th Aug 1987 Brands Sierra Cosworth Thundersaloon Championship - Shell Oils.
QUOTE
Second in class B was the well driven Tony Lanfranchi/Hugh Marshall Escort Warrior.... - He definitely did this, sharing with Tony Strawson, I was there again!! Also, see above about Hugh, different person.
Motoring News 12th August 1987. Different car there?

25th Jul 1988 Brands Ford P100 Uniroyal P100 Challenge.
Nothing in there. - Sorry, should be 25th June.

26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix.
Nothing there but I doubt it is the same weekend as the the Brands Hatch 1000kms. - Sorry, should be 26th June. If it helps he shared a Silkolene sponsored truck with Willie Green.

26th Jul 1988 Brands TBC TBC British Truck Grand Prix
Could you clairfy with this? Two Truck races or is it on a different date?

9th Jul 1989 Donington Opel Manta Thundersaloon Championship - Johnson Tiles.
Nothing again. - I'll scratch. Had a nice e-mail from Robin Bradford earlier (Hi BradfordPerson :wave:) who commentated on this and he said Dad was entered but didn't race.

There's also a round of the 1989 AMOC Gordon Russell Furniture Intermarque from Cadwell Park but I can't remember when it was but Dad won.
10th Sep Cadwell TBC TBC AMOC Gordon Russell Furniture Intermarque
I looked in the Cadwell article and there was no AMOC race but funnily there is a lovely photo of Gerry driving a TVR down Paddock on the same page and I looked into the Brands article and he did win the TVR Tuscan race on that weekend! How odd.
Anyway here is the result:
QUOTE
10th Sep Brands TVR Tuscan TVR Tuscan Challenge
1. G.Marshall 12m 56.41s (96.44mph)
Motoring News 13th September 1989. He drove the #55 David Gerald Motorsport TVR Tuscan. - Yeah, got that one, thanks though. N.B. He qualified 8th, so good win!!

I hope this helps so far. I got Motoring News from 1980 as well. Let me know if you need anything. I will dig up for 1988 and 1989 for you very soon.

All done!



#38 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 20:45

"12 Nov 67 Brands Sevenoaks DMC – not listed in prog and did not race - This is supposed to be the 1st Vauxhall race and comes from Dad's diary.
"
Double checked. Confirmed not in prog and no extra runner on my lap chart. Would have thought debut of Viva would merit some mention in Autosport or MN either in report or news section?


Thanks for checking Richard. There seems to be about four different dates foir the first Vauxhall race Dad did and this is in his diary but looks not; there is 2 Vauxhall races before this but I definitely have the 19th November 1967 at Brands Hatch so maybe that was the first then.

#39 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 20:54

The 17th April 1971 meeting at Silverstone was a SUNBAC event and had races for F750, Saloons, Formula Ford, Sports Cars, F1200 and Formule Libre. No mention of Gerry anywhere in the report. - Dad's diary, will scratch.

No mention in the report of the 14th November 1971 meeting at Brands Hatch.

The Santa Pod meeting in November 1971 was a two-day affair organised by the BDR& HRA. It was badly affected by rain and finally abandoned at 3.30pm on the Sunday.
No mention of Gerry but Bill Blydenstein was there with two Vauxhalls. - Well that would definitely be Dad as Bill had stopped competing and the second car was probably driven by Gerry Johnstone - I do have a picture of them both at Santa Pod driving so could be from this. Do you have the results at all?

Not mentioned in the 28 May 1972 Croft report. - Dad's diary, will scratch.

The Sutton and Cheam Motor Club event at Brands Hatch was on August 13 1972.
There was a half-hour delay in the proceedings to tidy up after Gerry Marshall’s Vauxhall Firenza threw a rear wheel, rolled at Druids and caught fire. Marshall was rescued in exemplary fashion by one of the marshals, Alan Maynell, but like Nero he had to watch from the sidelines while his car blazed.
Group 1 Saloons – 10 laps
The Castrol Gp1 race was split into two parts, this one for the little ‘uns up to 600 pounds basic price and 800 to 1100 pounds. Gerry Marshall held pole position in the Dealer Team Vauxhall bronze coloured 2.3-litre Firenza, only the second outing for the car, with Bernard Unett’s Mopar Avenger alongside.
With the larger engine homologated, Marshall carved a couple of seconds off his 64.0s class record in the morning, and lowered the time officially in the early laps of the race, while drawing from the madly scrapping Unett and Alan Wilkinson, whose Mexico seemed intent on marriage with the Coventry product.
Having established his lead, Marshall relaxed a bit and seemed in danger of being caught on the seventh lap. At Druids, the left rear wheel flew away and bounced to the bottom of the hill, while the Firenza overturned and caught fire while in the air. The car came to rest on its roof, half way down the hill, with Marshall trapped inside as the roof had caved in around the windscreen area. While he was trying to escape (the car was well ablaze as the main pipe to the fuel tank was severed) a marshal appeared at the window and pulled the driver out feet-first. It was certainly due to Mr Maynell’s promptness that Marshall was completely unharmed, but the car was virtually gutted. - Yes, I have this one. Is there any chance Sutton and Cheam ran more than one event that year? I have a trophy from Sutton and Cheam from 1972 called the Darenth Trophy and I can't trace any other events Dad did at the 13th meeting.


Thank you Milan.

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#40 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 20:59

There is no mention of Gerry in the Group 1 race at Mallory Park on 11 March 1973 but he did dominate the Special Saloon race in the Thames Television Fireza. The car was using the 16-valve Lotus head for the first time and Bill Blydenstein was reported as saying it was giving about 230 bhp with “plenty more to come.”

Do you need any info on that race?


I have the Special Saloon race thanks Milan but I do have a picture of Dad in a BMW 3.0 Si for the Castrol Saloon race - could possibly be entered as Tony but maybe Dad just practised it - he did drive it at Brands in March and finished 3rd (Doh, I should have added that to the list as I don't have the exact date but was in the Autosport annual, Only Here for the Beer, Car and Car Conversions and I have a photo).

#41 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 21:08

18-5-75 Forward Trust Spec Saloons - Gerry not entered. He was in the Radio 1 prodsaloons tho', finishing 9th overall, 5th in class behind various Capris. Thanks Dan, I'll scratch the FT race, was a diary entry. I had the prod saloon race and result but was that in the Hamilton Motors Firenza, number 261?

21-9-75 Radio 1 Prodsaloons again, entered. Looks like he quallied well down, didn't finish in top 4 in class. He missed practice for some reason and started with 10 seconds. Any idea on the position?

15-8-76 Britax Prodsaloons - Gerry not entered at all. Will scratch as was a diary entry and was racing Baby Bertha at Brands that day, one of her few retirements too!!


Thanks Dan.

#42 John Ginger

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Posted 26 June 2009 - 13:55

John, yes, please ask. The e-mail address I was given was from Stephanie Sykes who was an archivist there and I know one of her projects was archiving every Motoring News. Steph is the new BRDC archivist and is a lovely lady and has been really helpful in allowing me access to the BRDC archive at the Farm.



Gregor,
I have now tracked down and spoken to current archivist at BMH Gaydon

Seems happy to help, we (you?) will need to email detail of which material is needed (MN dates etc) and then an appointment can be made to view

As I said before, I am quite happy to pop up there, unless you prefer to yourself, which of course is fine

I can let you know my/their email details etc if necessary, by pm or whatever

Regards,
John



#43 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 04:16

I've been through my 1974, '75 and '76 copies of Motoring News and can find no mention of Gerry in any of the meetings you have listed.

Could he have been at those meetings in some sort of advisory role as quite a number of them featured Dave Millington driving and winning in a Firenza?

Likewise at the 5th Sept 1976 Silverstone meeting the report of the Production Saloon race mentions that there were five Marshall-Wingfield supplied cars in the first seven.


#44 puestocero

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 20:28

Hi There, GERRY MARSHALL.

You mention thaat there was an incident at the Sutton and Cheaam Motor Club meeting at Brands 1972 when a "marshall" Alan Maynell
helped Gerry.

I am Alan...as above...I am still involved with motor sport and would be only too pleased to help with any info regarding the incident. It still seems as though it was yesterday!!!!

I have very fond memories of Gerry and am delighted to hear that a book on his life is in the offing.

Alan Maynell.

#45 mikeallen

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 12:01

Gregor, or anyone, did you manage to get results for the 8th April at Oulton Park, the Gold Cup round. Prod saloon information is so thin on the ground and the media only really discuss the top six so the Magnums and Escorts don't get a mention..

Regards

Mike Allen

Writing up Vol 2 of Whatever Happened To the Gold Cup for his sins



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on Sunday, before some

2,500 spectators.

Wright, living at 10 Grey-

stones Close, Kemsing, and a

sales supervisor with the main

Ford dealers at Sevenoaks,

threw his sports car round

the muddy 1,100-yard grass

course to record two minutes

28.4 seconds and was only

beaten by the more powerful

TVR GT car shared by Gerry

Marshall from Barnet, and

John Akers from Liverpool.

In fact, Wright was credited

with six points for second

place as Akers, being a Nor-

therner, could not claim

Southern area points.

Next southern area event

will be at Five Heads Farm,

Horndean, on May 21 under

the jurisdiction of the South-

sea Motor Club. Kent will be

invaded by southern autocross

competitors on July 9 when

the Sevenoaks motor club are

promoting their qualifying

event at Great Danes Hotel,

Hollingbourne.

Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser, Friday 12 May 1967, Page 23

 

RGDS RLT



#47 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 26 July 2021 - 13:58

Gregor, or anyone, did you manage to get results for the 8th April at Oulton Park, the Gold Cup round. Prod saloon information is so thin on the ground and the media only really discuss the top six so the Magnums and Escorts don't get a mention..

Regards

Mike Allen

Writing up Vol 2 of Whatever Happened To the Gold Cup for his sins

 

Hi Mike, is that for the 1977 race? If so, Dad finished 4th in class and it is mentioned in Motorsport News, 14th April 1977 edition.
If a different event, please let me know, as I may now have.



#48 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 26 July 2021 - 17:19

AUTOCROSS

SUCCESS

FOR WRIGHT

IN appalling weather condi-

tions, 28-year-old Martin

Wright took his 1650 c.c.

Turner sports car to third

place in his class at the first

Southern area qualifying

event for the Players auto-

cross championship, which

was held at Elstree, Herts,

on Sunday, before some

2,500 spectators.

Wright, living at 10 Grey-

stones Close, Kemsing, and a

sales supervisor with the main

Ford dealers at Sevenoaks,

threw his sports car round

the muddy 1,100-yard grass

course to record two minutes

28.4 seconds and was only

beaten by the more powerful

TVR GT car shared by Gerry

Marshall from Barnet, and

John Akers from Liverpool.

In fact, Wright was credited

with six points for second

place as Akers, being a Nor-

therner, could not claim

Southern area points.

Next southern area event

will be at Five Heads Farm,

Horndean, on May 21 under

the jurisdiction of the South-

sea Motor Club. Kent will be

invaded by southern autocross

competitors on July 9 when

the Sevenoaks motor club are

promoting their qualifying

event at Great Danes Hotel,

Hollingbourne.

Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser, Friday 12 May 1967, Page 23

 

RGDS RLT

 

I take it this is for the 7th May 1967 Elstree Players Autocross?  Great stuff - I wondered how Dad had been given a class win when he was a touch slower than John Akers - the head gasket went.

 

I should update what I am still missing - I have 619 wins out of the magic 625 and still have a few races with no result...