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#1 D.M.N.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 10:36

Hi guys,

I know most of you can't see the BBC F1 videos due to rights restrictions. Yesterday they put up an 18 minute video interview with Jake Humphrey interviewing Max Mosley. I've compiled a transcript for it - it's not perfect, but it is quite accurate.


Jake Humphrey: Well Max, Formula One is famous for posturing and politicalling, some people love that about the sport, but for the first time it seems like there is a serious threat to the future of Formula One, how have we ended up in this position?

Max Mosley: Well the fundamental problem is that the teams want to take over the whole financial side from Bernie and also the regulatory side from us - they would like to run the whole of Formula One, and quite obviously we don't agree. Money is Bernie's problem but as far as the regulations are concerned, we have been running the championship for 60 years and we intend to go on running it. If they want to start their own series, they can, but it won't be the Formula One World Championship.

JH: The teams say that they have done all they can, they feel that they have bent over backwards to try and help the FIA, to try to make the whole thing work. They have no appetite for compromise anymore - they say the ball is now in the FIA's court. What happens next, because as far as they are concerned, what happens next comes from you?

MM: Well, that's a complete distortion of what happened. The real quarrel of what happened is how much is spent. We're saying it's got to be reduced. It has got to come down to a figure that everyone knows. Now that is based on work which was done between January 2008 and June 2008 - a whole system was agreed with them and the only people who disagreed with that was Ferrari. The only argument then was going to be about the figure. They are now pretending that it is now dictatorial, something I dreamt up, it was all agreed with them. And it's a completely determined set of rules agreed by the Chief Financial officer of each team. It's actually all nonsense.

JH: Can you understand the confusion with the fans? Teams have told us they are willing to make cuts, the realise Formula 1 is too expension. The FIA think F1 is too expensive - where is the problem here? It's like both of you want the same thing but you can't achieve it.

MM: The difficult is that they say that they want to reduce costs and "we will do so in a way that suits us" and we [the FIA] are saying "by how much", and they say "well we don't really know" - they don't say anything specific. It is very vague and then they then say that they don't want to move anything until the 31st December, 2010, so it's almost two years away. We're saying it is much more urgent than that, it's really a question of not focusing on what needs to be done which is a clear reduction according to clear rules. The trouble is, when we are doing something like this, it is very easy to confuse the issue, but the basic issue: [teams] cannot go on spending like this. We must be clear about how much we can spend. We can't say a vague figure because then the teams don't know how much they can spend. The other side of it is that they want to achieve cost reduction by restricting the technology on the cars rather like we already have on the engines. We're saying "this can't go on" - you cannot simply freeze the chassis to stop progress on it. If you allow unlimited expenditure then they will spend a fortune on the chassis, so "limit the expenditure" then a clever engineer within that expenditure can do whatever he likes on the chassis. Now, that's a much more logical approach. Now that's all being lost in this suggestion, we're somehow dictating everything to them. Finally, we have made concession after concession to try and accomodate them and they keep saying no. Even though we have a meeting with them, for example on 11th June, we agreed everything with Red Bull, Ross Brawn, Ferrari and even Toyota, and when they got back to the office the others, called the "loonies" tore it all up. So, you spend a whole say agreeing something, but then you don't agree something even though the teams are there. The following Monday there was supposed to be an agreement about finance. Our people sat down with their people and they said "we can't discuss the FIA's rules". And so you're getting to this complete "Alice in Wonderland" situation - they simply won't talk about any progress, and then they pretend its us. For an outside it's "you say this, they say that", but the facts are very simple, we laid everything out, we had the correspondance, they have no answer to this so they simply "parrot fashion", the FIA are dictating, I am dictating, and trying to tell us to do, its not that at all, we are trying to get the thing in order along the lines of the things already agreed before.

JH: You mentioned dictating a few times in that sentence, governance is what the teams are referring to this as, when they say "governance", does this mean that they want Max Mosley to step down as FIA president?

MM: Maybe that's what they'd like, but it's not up to them, it's up to the FIA. They talk a lot about governance, what they really mean there is: the way the rules are made and the stability of the rules - now that always used to be governed by the Concorde Agreement. We've been talking about a new Concorde Agreement, for two/three years, the last one ran out at the end of 2007. We've said to them in recent days: "Don't lets go on with the discussion gone on for two years about a new agreement, let's simply take the governance provision from the 1998 agreement, which lasted for ten years and everyone was happy with, lets put them in place and then governance is taken care of. They, having been put in place, we can then lesiurely discuss a new Concorde Agreement." No, we don't agree with that - that's completely untrue - they operated under those governance rules for 10 years and nobody complained.

JH: You're job as president of the FIA is to do what is best for Formula 1, if you steeping down as president of the FIA meant that FOTA would sign up [for 2010], that Formula One would be the championship as it still is, would you be prepared to do that?

MM: Well, it's not even a question of that, it's a question of whether they'll sign up to rules which will work. Whether I'm there or not makes no difference at all. If you remeber these rules which they are quarrelling with went through the World Council on a 24 to 2 majority. And these are national sporting authorities. Also, we have to think of motorsport as a whole, anything that would help motorsport as a whole I would do including leaving, but that's not the issue. The issue is they [the teams] want to take over Formula 1 from the FIA and from Bernie. All I am is an obstacle to that, and so is Bernie. If they got rid of me, they'd then want to get rid of Bernie, and then get rid of anyone who wouldn't give them what they'd want.

JH: But if the teams made it clear that they'd race if it meant "No Max Mosley", would you be prepared to step down?

MM: If they were prepard to continue according to the rules, which is what they won't agree to certainly, because...

JH: So you'd sacrifice yourself to save Formula 1?

MM: Well I [*laughs*] wouldn't put it that way. The thing is anyone would do that if they are interested in something - they would always put the interest in front of themselves, but its a completely academic question because the argument isn't about me, it's about the rules.

JH: It seems stunningly complicated to work out what has and hasn't been discussed, but as the FIA you have Williams and Force India, and a couple of new teams as well. FOTA have got the biggest teams, stars and names, from what we've heard discussions are already going on with circuits and broadcasters. It feels like FOTA are in a incredibly strong position.

MM: This is an absolute illusion. It's a bit like saying in 2010 I'm going to be the Heavyweight Champion of the World - well I can say that, but its only really when I get in the ring when it becomes real - beforehand it is nonsense. None of this actually comes to a head until we get to Melbourne 2010, so all this posturing can go on, which you've said is very much Formula 1, and they will continue doing this in the hope of getting what they want which is getting their degree of control over the sport on one side and the money on the other. But the reality of it is that when it comes to it, the teams will not go and race in a Golden Steering series, they will want to race in Formula 1 World Championship and so will the drivers' want to win the same championship as Fangio and so on. It's a little bit like the Olympic Games and the Friendship Games - its the brand and the history of Formula 1, so when we get to Melbourne 2010 I would have a very large wager that almost all the existing teams will be there. I think we'll probably lose one or two manufactures, but again, nothing to do with the rules, these companies are losing fortunes and taking taxpayers money are not in a position to carry on pumping millions of pounds into Formula 1.

JH: So you think Formula 1 is the brand, it is the history, it is the chance to emulate the greats as opposed to having fantastic teams, the greatest drivers and engineers?

MM: No, you've misunderstood me. Those best teams, drivers and engineers will be in the Formula 1 World Championship come Melbourne 2010, there's no where else for them to be. Those people don't want to race in a Golden Steering Wheel series, they want to be in the World Championship, and this can go on for quite a long time, but eventually they will all come, as they have to, into the World Championship. Then things will continue as normal.

JH: Is it dangering to think though that those brains in the paddock could set up their own series if they are not happy with the FIA F1 Championship which has the history and glamour. But they believe it [a new series] will be a stronger and greater championship.

MM: Well, they could set up their own series, but if you really think it'll be a greater and stronger championship then I don't think you're right. They know perfectly well that in the end they will be there in Formula 1. What they want is a Formula 1 World Championship - but belonging to them. It's a bit of tug of war but in the end, because it is ours and the commercial rights are Bernie's, we will win the tug of war and they will then come and race in the World Championship as normal. Because the actual issues that divide us are negligable - there isn't anything there because we've offered them all the stability and governance revisions from the old Concorde Agreement. We offered everything they wanted in the Technical Regulations 2010, there actually isn't anything to quarrell about except they want Formula 1 for themselves and sooner or later they'll find out that they can't have it at which point the whole discussion will finish.

JH: You think this is an issue of greed?

MM: No, it's not greed, it's more about power. There are one or two individuals, one particular individual, who fancies himself as the Bernie, now whether he could actually do the job or not, I don't know.

JH: Tell us who that it.

MM: I think Flavio Briatore sees himself as the Bernie and he's fully entitled to that view, but I think Bernie would feel "if he wants my business, then come and buy it", you can't just take it. Then as far as the governing body is concerned, I don't know whether anyone actually wants to make the rules because we never agree on the rules, and when we do agree on the rules we disagree on what they mean. The famous double diffuser was drawn up by the teams then we had to settle all the right and wrong interpretations of the rule they drawn up. This is what it's all about, certain people would like certain positions, you can understand that, but there are correct ways to get it, equally my job - if someone wants my position, they are free to stand for an election. It's a democracy - it's like if I want Gordon Brown's job, I can put up if I want to be elected, but I'm entitled to that event.

JH: Does Flavio Briatore slip into the "loonies" group?

MM: I should think he's associated with them.

JH: Who's the leader of the "loonies"?

MM: The leader of the "loonie"... I'm not sure they've got one. It's in the nature of a loonie to not really have a leader - they all stick together as one.

JH: You genuinely think if the FIA weren't there to look after the "loonies" that they couldn't have the ability to run their own series then they wouldn't have the ability to do it?

MM: I think it would be virtually impossible because generally speaking they find it very difficult to agree on anything. They really do, again the double diffuser, they couldn't agree on that, the KERS system, they couldn't agree about that. It's very difficult, if you're all competitors to agree. It's a bit like trying to run a football match without a referee, if it's real friendly you can do it, once it gets serious then you can't do it.

JH: So, to summarise, you believe that the FOTA teams don't have the ability to run their own championship - they want to race in Formula 1, but they want the power to decide what Formula 1 would be.

MM: That's not quite the right summary, I think, first off they'd have the utmost of [something (sorry can't hear the exact word!)] - but that wouldn't become apparant until the series actually started, secondly what they want is to take over Formula 1 as it is - both the financial and sporting side and try and run it for themselves. Of course you can fantacise about that, but actually doing it is very different.

JH: So FOTA have made their position clear, the FIA have just done the same thing. Just explain to us what the next step is going to be.

MM: The next step we're taking, because trying to take something that isn't yours is not really in accordance of the law, so next week we will be issuing legal proceedings against Ferrari and FOTA.

JH: Of course Ferrari believe that you have no legal proceedings against them because you have broken the contract with them. They believe they have no legal obligation to be in your series, you believe differently.

MM: Yeah, as they say, you'd have to explain that to the judge.

JH: Which they'd be prepared to do I guess?

MM: I hope so, but the thing is we've got very good legal advice which is strong and clear, so we're very confident.

JH: The situation this leaves us in though, this is now June, we've got some teams coming into Formula 1 who aren't 100% sure of the regulations they can't even begin working on their cars, the existing teams cannot work on their cars because they don't know what the regulations are going to be, eight of those ten teams are telling us that they are going to leave, and you're still confident, despite legal proceedings that have been issued against Ferrari, that you're going to have a series ready to run in Melbourne in March 2010 that almost seems impossible Max.

MM: You probably haven't noticed, but we did publish regulations of 29th April. Those regulations are all there and people should be building cars to those regulations - its simple the regulations have been there for more than a month. You may not have noticed but they are there. Now, if we ever want to change those regulations, then we do so, if everyone who has entered, agrees. That's absolutely fundamental in motorsport, so we could change them but only if the people that enter agree like Force India and several other teams. It's just that simple, so anyone building a car would be building one now. If someone came along and wanted to change the defect of that car, he'd sound very sorry "I'm building my car, I don't agree". That's fundamental to motorsport, its been a basic rule in motorsport that once you publish the regulations and accept an entry, then you can't change anything, that's been there since before the Second World War.

JH: Legal proceedings, discussions behind closed doors, Formula 1 fans really don't want to know any more about this - what they want to know is whether there will be a series next year. What will happen next - what do you think will happen?

MM: What I think will happen now is that this discussion will continue for a while, and then at some point we will find when it starts to get important to know what's actually happening, which won't be for some time, we will then find that some of the FOTA teams will come into the championship. Other teams will already be there, and how long that'll take is very difficult to predict because different people take different positions and so on. Nobody wants this, and had the press completely ignored it, it would have gone on quietly for some months and nothing would have happened and things would be back to normal in time for the 2010 season. It's just that between alll of us, we made it seem an issue when it probably isn't.

JH: So the teams and thw FIA can get back together and one day start racing again.

MM: The director of Ferrari came into my office the other day and said "Don't be so unkind about Luca" because we'll all be back together again next Spring and so it makes bad relations. So I took out a lot of rather unkind things that I might have said, and he's right - we've been through these things before we'll go through them again. You cannot have a lot of competititve peak, a lot at stake, a tremondous amount going in, thousands of people involved, without having big conflicts, it's just that because the Formula 1 World Championship is so media intensive it tends to build up into something it isn't. Really, this is just a few human beings sorting out their differences and it usually happens in every walk of life but usually a bit quieter.

JH: Do you think we'll get there in the end?

MM: No question.

Edited by D.M.N., 20 June 2009 - 17:26.


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#2 BuzzingHornet

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 10:45

Max has done some crap things in the past but to be fair, a lot of his critics this time round seem not to understand what has actually happened and are just assuming that the teams are 100% right and its all Evil Max's doing. For the first time ever i'm actually with Max on this, not 100% but I think he is more in the right than the team are.

Edited by BuzzingHornet, 20 June 2009 - 10:56.


#3 hobbes

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 10:46

Thats really nice of you :up: . I tried downloading the clip myself but it didnt work out

Edited by hobbes, 20 June 2009 - 10:46.


#4 Nonesuch

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 10:51

Thanks a lot. :up:

#5 JPW

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 10:54

Thanks D.M.N. :up:

BTW surely someone has this interview on a harddisk and will upload to YouTube?

#6 wingwalker

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:01

I somehow managed to see it, but still, thanks!

#7 Sakae

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:11

I wish that I could trust Mr. Moxley's words without reservation. Problem with his story is, that he is the "saint", and everybody else is crook trying to steal what's not theirs. I am somewhat doubtfull over veracity of that suggestion.



#8 Dragonfly

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:15

And now Flavio is the bad guy
Mosley is pathetic. Only a newcomer or a person from his entourage can say this man is sincere.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:19

He's twisting facts to paint himself as a victim! Pathetic.
Fukc off Max, and take Bernie with you.

Edited by jano, 20 June 2009 - 11:19.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:20

And now Flavio is the bad guy
Mosley is pathetic. Only a newcomer or a person from his entourage can say this man is sincere.


Flip it over though, when did Flavio become one of the good guys? They guy is one of the most political players out there and talks absolute rubbish most of the time... witness the 'latest words from Flavio' threads from previous weeks :)


#11 alfista

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:22

Thanks D.M.N.! Mosley reminds me the prime minister of my country. This is a guy who said year ago "What crisis? There's no crisis and there will be no crisis." and "If this is a crisis I will love to live in it". At least he still has his state in one piece

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:26

LMao they just showed the Humphrey Mosley interview on BBC qual build up just now.

Max refers to the FOTA leaders as 'The Looneys' and and Flav is the leader of 'the Looneys' who wants to take over Bernies role! Couldnt think of a better description for someone wanting to succeed Bernie. But to use such terminology in this scenario, to me, indicates his desperation. They are Looneys to him because they dont respect him I think. Max looked drawn, tired and old. Alot older than a year ago. He admitted he would step down for the good of the sport but I dont think he would until his hand was forced as this may turn out.

Bernie is the only person to solve this now. Hes being typically evasive in all interviews. Im sure he has something up his sleeve.

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 20 June 2009 - 11:28.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:28

Looneys. He doesnt really know how to make friends does he?

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:28

"loonies" ............ Can't believe the head of the FIA are calling the teams "loonies".... Classy :confused:

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:32

And now Flavio is the bad guy
Mosley is pathetic. Only a newcomer or a person from his entourage can say this man is sincere.




And what makes Flav a god guy? This man wants power everyone has know for years he wants to own f1. As for being a good memberc of FOTA, is this the same good guy who wanted to block Bernie from giving money to Brawn? The same guy who had been threatening to quit f1 yrs ago but now see's an opportunity to take advantage of Ferraris position and work on this agenda? Imagine Flav controlling the new series or F1 :rotfl:

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:36

LMao they just showed the Humphrey Mosley interview on BBC qual build up just now.

Max refers to the FOTA leaders as 'The Looneys' and and Flav is the leader of 'the Looneys' who wants to take over Bernies role! Couldnt think of a better description for someone wanting to succeed Bernie. But to use such terminology in this scenario, to me, indicates his desperation. They are Looneys to him because they dont respect him I think. Max looked drawn, tired and old. Alot older than a year ago. He admitted he would step down for the good of the sport but I dont think he would until his hand was forced as this may turn out.

Bernie is the only person to solve this now. Hes being typically evasive in all interviews. Im sure he has something up his sleeve.


He didn't say that. LMAO? But your arse back on.

The Mihir Bose interview was better if any of you have seen that.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:37

And what makes Flav a god guy?

Ha-ha. The usual suspects jump in defense of their beloved Max :rotfl:

I didn't say Briatore is a good guy.
But according to this now he is the leader of the evil, while it was Di Montezemolo until yesterday.
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/76355

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Are there quotes with the loonies thing?

Edited by Dragonfly, 20 June 2009 - 11:38.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:44

LMao they just showed the Humphrey Mosley interview on BBC qual build up just now.

Max refers to the FOTA leaders as 'The Looneys' and and Flav is the leader of 'the Looneys' who wants to take over Bernies role! Couldnt think of a better description for someone wanting to succeed Bernie. But to use such terminology in this scenario, to me, indicates his desperation. They are Looneys to him because they dont respect him I think. Max looked drawn, tired and old. Alot older than a year ago. He admitted he would step down for the good of the sport but I dont think he would until his hand was forced as this may turn out.

Bernie is the only person to solve this now. Hes being typically evasive in all interviews. Im sure he has something up his sleeve.

It gives us glimpse and a reason why negotiations failed. If one party speaks and acts as Mr. Mosley, the uncompromising, condescending attitude is not helping. He is dealing with people who have certain social standing and accomplishments behind them, and this is why I do find his tone old, colonial and inappropriate for our times. The man is simply lacking good manners for position he holds.



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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:46

Could someone explain how the FIA would exactly regulate and monitor how much money is beeing spent in a Team?

Edited by Georg_Kuyumji, 20 June 2009 - 11:47.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:48

Max has done some crap things in the past but to be fair, a lot of his critics this time round seem not to understand what has actually happened and are just assuming that the teams are 100% right and its all Evil Max's doing. For the first time ever i'm actually with Max on this, not 100% but I think he is more in the right than the team are.


I don't know what's going on, but I don't think it's not all Max's fault. The teams have done very little to reduce costs -- the FIA have been on their case for two years, and this is the result.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:49

Are there quotes with the loonies thing?


I'm more interested in the new list with the teams, that FiA has promised yesterday.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:49

Max is making me feel physically ill. He is mentally disturbed and is showing all signs of paranoia. He must go, he must go now.

#23 Broadway

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:51

I'm more interested in the new list with the teams, that FiA has promised yesterday.

Max believes that the FOTA teams will come back to him. He can not put any new teams on his list, because then they can not come back. I assume he will put as many FOTA teams as he can on the list and spend the summer, the autumn and most of the winter in court. He's a looney.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:54

Max believes that the FOTA teams will come back to him. He can not put any new teams on his list, because then they can not come back. I assume he will put as many FOTA teams as he can on the list and spend the summer, the autumn and most of the winter in court. He's a looney.

Is BE, just as sponsors, and TV networks going to tolerate this? I can't see how anyone would put up with uncertainty of that kind.


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I think FiA will feel heat from just about everybody involved to resolve the issue one way or another. TV, promoters, and even substitute teams have their drop dead dates.

Edited by MiPe, 20 June 2009 - 11:59.


#25 Boing 2

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:54

interesting question asked of bernie "is max the best man for the presidency" his answer wasn't yes but simply "max is the president and will remain so until he steps down"

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 11:58

'mentally disturbed' i've been saying this for years. He's 70, his son just died and he enjoys sex orgies dressed as a nazi! all add up to unstable and unfit to govern anything.



oh yeah and Berrie is even worse... he's 70 plus (78 i think) and going through a bitter divorce.

i mean, am i the only person seeing a pattern here, both Max and Berrie are going through extremely difficult personal problems at the moment so they are fighting on all fronts trying to hold on to what little they have left and will not be in the most stable and reasonable mindset.

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#27 DarthWillie

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 12:01

Flavio is an easy target, FIA doesn't need Renault, they need Ferrari so LdM can't be the ringleader. I wouldn't be surprised if Flavio will be blamed for spankgate in the next few weeks. After wich Renault will be excluded from F1 in an attempt to break FOTA

#28 Davyhulme

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 12:01

Could someone explain how the FIA would exactly regulate and monitor how much money is beeing spent in a Team?


Have a look at the FIA website for next years regulations. It's in one of the Appendicies. There is also "The Handbook" which includes examples apparently. I haven't seen it yet so if you find it, please share.

#29 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 12:02

Jesus wept, is this a soap opera? Max can't govern because his son died and Bernie can't manage becuase he's having a divorce? If anyone has lost their senses it is you people

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 12:09

Max has done some crap things in the past but to be fair, a lot of his critics this time round seem not to understand what has actually happened and are just assuming that the teams are 100% right and its all Evil Max's doing. For the first time ever i'm actually with Max on this, not 100% but I think he is more in the right than the team are.

Their view is clouded by their hatred of Max/FIA/Bernie, I wouldn't like my racing governed by a bunch of carmakers with Flavio as their leader.

Saw a bit of the interview on the BBC just now, quite contra-productive of Max to call some of the FOTA members loonies, understandable but not very useful.

Could somebody put the whole interview on YouTube please?

#31 JPW

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 12:09

Jesus wept, is this a soap opera? Max can't govern because his son died and Bernie can't manage becuase he's having a divorce? If anyone has lost their senses it is you people

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 12:14

Real shame that jake didn't ask osley one of the most important questions about this legal action which is why the FIA are suing FOTA but never sue the GPWC/GPMA. Mosley seems to be saying that FOTA is a cartel and so they are suing but the same would have been true of GPWC/GPMA yet there was no legal action...

#33 Broadway

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 12:14

Jesus wept, is this a soap opera? Max can't govern because his son died and Bernie can't manage becuase he's having a divorce? If anyone has lost their senses it is you people

"You people"? How many of "you people" is actually using that as arguments? I think it is rather the Max supporters that is clutching at straws at the moment. The straws are obviously getting both thinner and fewer by the hour.

#34 D.M.N.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 14:15

Added up to 09:40.

#35 Dalton007

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 14:20

According to a F1 lawyer on 5Live radio, the FIA's stance is shaky, they are suing on vague terms, there's nothing specific that can gain them anything from legal action.

#36 David M. Kane

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 14:35

Max has got to go. He is the loonie.

#37 Guizotia

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 14:47

According to a F1 lawyer on 5Live radio, the FIA's stance is shaky, they are suing on vague terms, there's nothing specific that can gain them anything from legal action.


I read yesterday that each FOTA team is using their own team of lawyers so far on any legal issue, it always comes down to the actual judge in the actual court case, but still, FOTA are pretty well advised.

#38 fanboy

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 14:49

Just put it on utube

#39 JPW

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 14:52

Added up to 09:40.

Good man, thanks :up:

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#40 David M. Kane

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 14:53

I just listen to the BBC interview. It is classic divide and conquer logic on his part.

A system (FIA) based on a dictator and yes men is never going to work...sorry. He is clearly trying to save CVC's investment. :down: :down:

#41 D.M.N.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 14:53

Just put it on utube

Erm, no. Because then it'll be taken down anyways - and some may prefer a direct transcript so they can refer to it in later weeks.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 14:58

I saw the 18 minute version on the BBC website last night.

I think sMax is distinctly on the weird side and given to following what he sees as legal logic, to the exclusion of common sense.
Even so, I had to rewind and rehear before I could believe my ears.
When you start calling people 'loonies' in a national tv interview, you have gone beyond working with those people.


However, I think that sMax has grasped two important parts of the fundamental problem.
FOTA really are fed up with the way the FIA (and specifically sMax) have made the rules for them to play by. Such "cost-saving" initiatives as KERS, and "safety" initiatives like the grooved tyres have cost the teams BIG money, at no positive benefit to the show. The FIA Stewarding of F1 races has been spectacularly inept and unresponsive to the actual competitors. The F1 teams (and drivers) contribute the majority of the FIA's income. They don't think they are getting value for money. sMax is only starting to understand this. He sees it purely as a threat to his position. If sMax cared about stuff other than his position, he'd better understand this part of the problem.
And sMax is undoubtedly correct that the FOTA teams resent the amount of money that Bernie/CVC are taking out of the sport.
Which is why sMax going away, right now, in total disgrace, would not be enough for FOTA.

In order to shake off their very expensive promoter, they need to turn their back on the FIA series.
Enough people have now become sufficiently pissed-off about enough aspects of the situation to finally do something about it.
Leaving the FIA is necessary in order to leave CVC.
Some principally want away from one or the other, but now enough of them see the way to lose both.

I don't think there'll be a reconciliation, and I think that with the "loonies" comments, sMax himself doesn't think there's any going back.

Edited by wdh, 20 June 2009 - 15:03.


#43 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 15:02

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I can never take any post seriously that makes Nazi jokes, S&M references or refers to Max Mosley by any other name variation than Max Mosley. If we can't have intelligent discussion lets at least try to have a mature one.

#44 D.M.N.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 15:04

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I can never take any post seriously that makes Nazi jokes, S&M references or refers to Max Mosley by any other name variation than Max Mosley. If we can't have intelligent discussion lets at least try to have a mature one.


Can you take Max Mosley seriously even though he referred to his rivals as "loonies"?

#45 Boing 2

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 15:18

Can you take Max Mosley seriously even though he referred to his rivals as "loonies"?



:up:

knock-out in the first round! :p


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 15:22

And I don't think it should be allowed to be glossed over that the current FIA President gets his sexual kicks from the abuse of power relationships.



Equally, it would be easier to see him as dissociated from his family history of high-level fascist sympathy if he himself had not so enthusiastically embraced that political philosophy - even to the extent of being a prospective Pariamentary candidate for his father's party, before realising that that might not be the best career move.

The man has the very odd concept that he was elected "democratically", and his idea of 'governance' is, well, we needn't go into explicit detail.

And anyone who disagrees with him is one of the "loonies".


The man is not fit for office. If he wouldn't give up power, it was only a matter of time before his not-democratically-represented subjects would rebel.
While the teams might have been prepared for Bernie to be well-rewarded for his dealing, the feeling undoubtedly now is that he has become far too rapacious since the CVC deal.
The realisation has dawned that throwing off the FIA is the way to throw off CVC.
Dumping both has become a very attractive option.


#47 Dragonfly

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 15:25

According to a F1 lawyer on 5Live radio, the FIA's stance is shaky, they are suing on vague terms, there's nothing specific that can gain them anything from legal action.

Max is trying to make them lose precious time sitting in deliberation. I hope FOTA are well aware of his tactics.

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I can never take any post seriously that makes Nazi jokes, S&M references or refers to Max Mosley by any other name variation than Max Mosley. If we can't have intelligent discussion lets at least try to have a mature one.

Sorry, but that man is a joke. The sad thing is that he is at the top of a well-known world motoring organization and causes great damage.
He's a pervert schizophrenic maniac and nothing on earth can make me think different. And I don't want to be a polite and civilized hypocrite.

#48 mattorgen

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 15:38

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I can never take any post seriously that makes Nazi jokes, S&M references or refers to Max Mosley by any other name variation than Max Mosley.

You're right. I am happy to use only factually accurate adjectives to describe him which are relevant to his profession, such as 'liar'.

Edited by mattorgen, 20 June 2009 - 15:39.


#49 Madras

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 15:42

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I can never take any post seriously that makes Nazi jokes, S&M references or refers to Max Mosley by any other name variation than Max Mosley. If we can't have intelligent discussion lets at least try to have a mature one.


Spanky would be proud of you.

#50 bobqzzi

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 15:43

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I can never take any post seriously that makes Nazi jokes, S&M references or refers to Max Mosley by any other name variation than Max Mosley. If we can't have intelligent discussion lets at least try to have a mature one.


You don't thnk it is relevant that he pretends to be a Nazi prison guard? Really?