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[wide-front-wing]

http://formula-one.s...uggling-champs/

Message to Juan:

You had a championship winning car on 2003 and you threw it all away on lap two of the USGP.

You were at a top team in Formula One - and yes, your attitude of "nothing can be done" is why you will
never be known as World Champion.

[potmotr]

Formula One needs JPM. Shame he's not there anymore. Pretty much the only driver I've been properly excited by this decade.

[BMW_F1]

Message to Juan:

You had a championship winning car on 2003 and you threw it all away on lap two of the USGP.

Quit your garbage. Have you thought for a second that even if he did not tangled with Rubens in Indy he would still have felt short of the championship because his car died from the lead in the last race of the season (Japan)..

[Brawn BGP 001]

F1 misses Juan that is for sure, don't think Juan misses F1 though.

[wide-front-wing]

Quit your garbage. Have you thought for a second that even if he did not tangled with Rubens in Indy he would still have felt short of the championship because his car died from the lead in the last race of the season (Japan)..

I'm not talking "ifs" I am talking reality. JPM is spinning his failure in F1 as being "out of his control" - which is ridiculous.

[MS7XWDC]

Formula One needs JPM. Shame he's not there anymore.

i LOVED watching JPM constantly take out his team mates !!

Edited by MS7XWDC, 07 July 2009 - 15:57.

[BMW_F1]

I'm not talking "ifs" I am talking reality. JPM is spinning his failure in F1 as being "out of his control" - which is ridiculous.

His car failure in Japan and Austria in 2003 are not IFs..
So I was just correcting your bullshit statement.

[Dragonfly]

I think this is Juan's way to say he misses F1.

I am no fan of is but he's a character and a very fast driver and I miss him now.

[Orin]

Formula One needs JPM. Shame he's not there anymore. Pretty much the only driver I've been properly excited by this decade.

He was always a joy, I wish he'd stuck in F1.

[TinyJim]

It's pretty much a fact that only 2 teams in one season have a realistic chance of winning a WDC or WCC. That's F1. It isn't a one man sport. In fact I would go as far as ditching the WDC because it is entirely meaningless

[kismet]

Never was a fan but apparently the guy was a star and one of the few drivers you were 'allowed' to be in awe of even though they never quite conquered the F1 world. That was nice and something we should have more of.

[pingu666]

he won a bunch of races, alot of points, and lets be honest here, more people want him back in f1 more than any other driver, hardly a failure.

[wide-front-wing]

he won a bunch of races, alot of points, and lets be honest here, more people want him back in f1 more than any other driver, hardly a failure.

Rose tinted glasses?

He got in major rows with both Frank Williams and Ron Dennis - quit Mclaren mid season and in the middle of an F1 season sat in front of rival sponsors logos (Texaco) and announced his move to NASCAR - then ever since he has had nothing but negative things to say about the sport...

To me anything less then a WDC for him, considering his pedigree was somewhat of a failure - and certainly storming off mid-season in a huff is not success. In fact, there were rumors of shouting matches in the pit lane with Ron not long before the announcement...

No one can deny is race craft, but I think it is a bit rich to blame the sport for not being able to control his temper...(being immature).

[Clatter]

Rose tinted glasses?

He got in major rows with both Frank Williams and Ron Dennis - quit Mclaren mid season and in the middle of an F1 season sat in front of rival sponsors logos (Texaco) and announced his move to NASCAR - then ever since he has had nothing but negative things to say about the sport...

To me anything less then a WDC for him, considering his pedigree was somewhat of a failure - and certainly storming off mid-season in a huff is not success. In fact, there were rumors of shouting matches in the pit lane with Ron not long before the announcement...

No one can deny is race craft, but I think it is a bit rich to blame the sport for not being able to control his temper...(being immature).

A lot of that is true, but if you read the article, what he says is correct.

[JPW]

Good ole Juan Pablo, he sure talks a lot about F1 after he repeatedly anounced that he wanted nothing to do with it anymore.

Can't say I miss him though, sure he won some races and his string of poles was impressive but other than that I thought of him mainly as a loudmouth abrasive error-prone dude who lacked the overall skills needed to become WDC and thought of himself way too highly.

I'm happy for him that he found himself a place in NASCAR though, Godspeed Juan

[wide-front-wing]

His car failure in Japan and Austria in 2003 are not IFs..
So I was just correcting your bullshit statement.

Did he or did he not shunt Rubens Barrichello off the track in the 2003 USGP, resulting in a drive through penalty, thereby ending his championship bid? Where is the inaccuracy in that statement?



Gee - JPM seemed fully engaged and loving F1 up to this point...but I am sure like you he still feels like he should have been able to get away with shunting off a constructor championship contending car in the penultimate race without penalty, right?

That's the thing, according to JPM it's all F1's fault - all manipulated - all determined by the car - meanwhile - Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton, and apparently Jenson Button are all World Champions while JPM settles for 8th, on purpose - in the series where drivers driver and racers win - only in the series where the so called car doesn't matter, JPM only has one win.

karma is a bitch.

[AyePirate]

i LOVED watching JPM constantly take out his team mates !!

That wasn't a teammate, that was Ralf ;)

[Victor_RO]

Did he or did he not shunt Rubens Barrichello off the track in the 2003 USGP, resulting in a drive through penalty, thereby ending his championship bid? Where is the inaccuracy in that statement?

He's talking about the fact that, even if he had not made the mistake with Rubens, his chances would have sunk in Japan when his car failed.

[whitewaterMkII]

Good ole Juan Pablo, he sure talks a lot about F1 after he repeatedly anounced that he wanted nothing to do with it anymore.

Can't say I miss him though, sure he won some races and his string of poles was impressive but other than that I thought of him mainly as a loudmouth abrasive error-prone dude who lacked the overall skills needed to become WDC and thought of himself way too highly.

I'm happy for him that he found himself a place in NASCAR though, Godspeed Juan ;)

The reason you see him talk about is because he is asked about it.
For some reason I don't see anyone chasing down Ralf or Wurz (his 2005 teamate) for F-1 quotes.
JPM is available to the press 3 days 36 weeks a year, it's no surprise that at least one person is going to ask him what he thinks about F-1 at any given moment.
I wonder if JPM gets up at some ungodly hour here in the US on his race days to watch F-1. I suspect not.

[BMW_F1]

Racing incidents happen all of the time. If not ask any driver today. In 2003 all three contenders made mistakes, but only one had a car that was able to finish all of the races and capitalize when his competitors had DNF's, and that driver was the champion.

[Johnrambo]

Montoya was like Coulthard. One year too many. His last season was an unmitigated disaster.

[Kooper]

F1 misses Juan that is for sure, don't think Juan misses F1 though.

I think he does miss F1 actually. I'm sure he misses the driving/racing, just not the rest of the crap that comes with the job.

F1s history is a lot richer from having JPM, thats FOR SURE. The guy was always exciting and never skipped an opportunity to overtake. Lots of faults with him, no doubt. In my mind his +'s far outweigh his -'s.

[wide-front-wing]

Racing incidents happen all of the time. If not ask any driver today. In 2003 all three contenders made mistakes, but only one had a car that was able to finish all of the races and capitalize when his competitors had DNF's, and that driver was the champion.

Right, Michael Schumacher was just some hack who "lucked" into the 2003 WDC.



Ever stopped to think about the fact that JPM had the winning car in that race, with the better tires, and had he stayed patient and won - the team would have worked extra hard on the car for Suzuka?

But that's the thing isn't it - JPM and his fans, never willing to take ownership - it's never anything JPM does - always outside factors...

[whitewaterMkII]

the team would have worked extra hard on the car for Suzuka?

nice dig at the team
I thought those guys get paid to put a perfect car under everyone, no matter who drives it or where they are in the standings.
If they don't, they should be fired.

[BMW_F1]

I thought you said no ifs... The fact remains that JPM had two dnfs from race leads and Kimi had one meanwhile MS had zero.

And by the way the indy incident was not deserving of a drive through penalty. Even Rubens said after the race that it was a bs call by the stewards since it had been simply a racing incident.
Everyone is well aware how some of these decisions by the stewards in F1 are somewhat shady.

[BMW_F1]

And I never said MS lucked into the WDC as he was the best driver/team package that year. And since f1 is not just about the driver then ferrari overall did a better job although with some help from the FIA.. (Tiregate)... OT

[Rosemayer]

I thought you said no ifs... The fact remains that JPM had two dnfs from race leads and Kimi had one meanwhile MS had zero.

And by the way the indy incident was not deserving of a drive through penalty. Even Rubens said after the race that it was a bs call by the stewards since it had been simply a racing incident.
Everyone is well aware how some of these decisions by the stewards in F1 are somewhat shady.

Yah you gotta love meatball.

[JensonF1]

I'd take Montoya's comments a lot more seriously if he hadn't been thrashed by Raikkonen in the same car.

But I agree with him that F1 should be about driver talent making the difference. More performance variables over the course of a race distance & team budget caps would help.

It's a shame Montoya is still so bitter. Villenueve isn't. Both were entertaining drivers, un-PC characters. Just what F1 needs.

[Spunout]

Now hang on. Where did Montoya make excuses about 2003 season?

Yeah he has made some excuses in the past (then again, it is difficult to find F1 pilots who never switches to Excuse Mode), but I really cannot see anything wrong with his comments this time. I don´t see JPM suggesting the Williams was poor car - quite the contrary. You cannot win races with bad car, right?

When it comes to 2003...let´s keep in mind Schumacher messed up, too ;)

Edited by Spunout, 07 July 2009 - 17:59.

[DLaw]

http://formula-one.s...uggling-champs/

Message to Juan:

You had a championship winning car on 2003 and you threw it all away on lap two of the USGP.

You were at a top team in Formula One - and yes, your attitude of "nothing can be done" is why you will
never be known as World Champion.

Keep on trolling dude! Stop being so bitter.

Just FYI, JPM is having the time of his life, thank you very much, ribs at Chili, ice cream at Cold Stone, cooking for his kids, wind surfing, playing with his model plane and rubbing fenders with the like of Kyle Busch, Tony Stewart.

Twitter @jpmontoya

[whitewaterMkII]

Now hang on. Where did Montoya make excuses about 2003 season?

He didn't.
But that doesn't bother W-F-W.
He's a Master at reading between the lines and coming up with JPM interpretations that aren't there.

[potmotr]

The great thing about JPM is that he'll talk about anything he's asked.

So an interviewer asks him about F1, he'll have a view.

He's not really saying anything new. He's been consistent about why he grew frustrated with F1 since he left.

His tune hasn't changed too much.

[BMW_F1]

The great thing about JPM is that he'll talk about anything he's asked.

the other they asked him if he had been drugged test before in NASCAR
OMG.. it was so funny.. he went into details..
He said he was taking a piss when they called him and he had to stop half way or something like that so he could have enough for the cup.
Here are some of the questions they would typically ask him in an interview..

WHAT IS YOUR APPROACH TO THE DOUBLE-FILE RESTARTS AT THIS TRACK?
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE TIRE TESTING AT INDIANAPOLIS?
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE POSSIBLE SPLIT IN FORMULA 1?
WILL IT BE BAD FOR FORMULA 1 IF THIS HAPPENS?
HAVE YOU EVER NOT RACED ON A FATHER’S DAY?
SHOULD YOU BE THE FAVORITE TO WIN THIS RACE?
DO YOU THINK PEOPLE EXPECT YOU TO WIN ON ROAD COURSES?
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF DANICA PATRICK TALKING ABOUT RACING STOCK CARS VERSUS OPEN-WHEEL CARS?
DO TEAMS SPLITTING FROM FORMULA 1 HAVE A SHOT TO MAKE IT?

reporters just don't give up.. Hello.. Juan is a NASCAR driver now..
sorry for the capps.. I did copy and paste.

[P123]

http://formula-one.s...uggling-champs/

Message to Juan:

You had a championship winning car on 2003 and you threw it all away on lap two of the USGP.

You were at a top team in Formula One - and yes, your attitude of "nothing can be done" is why you will
never be known as World Champion.

Oh, quit your blubbering over Montoya son. What's wrong? Do you miss the chance to bitch about him now he is no longer in F1? Are you so insecure that you can't face any perceived criticism of F1.

Yep, JPM had his faults (getting up the nose of prissy little twits like you not one of them), but what he says about F1 is 100% true.

[JPW]

The reason you see him talk about is because he is asked about it.

Still for a guy who's allegedly sick and tired of F1 he sure likes to talk/b*tch about it.
Why don't the journalists ask him about his very successful NASCAR years but about his past????

For some reason I don't see anyone chasing down Ralf or Wurz (his 2005 teamate) for F-1 quotes.

Learn to understand German and you'll find plenty of Ralf and Wurz comments on F1 and usually they make more sense and are less bitter than Monty's ramblings.

[Imperial]

http://formula-one.s...uggling-champs/

You had a championship winning car on 2003

You were at a top team in Formula One

Why is it that when people like you take shots at Montoya you always neglect to mention that his teammates also did not win the championship while being his teammate in these same championship winning cars?

[OnyxF1]

http://formula-one.s...uggling-champs/

Message to Juan:

You had a championship winning car on 2003 and you threw it all away on lap two of the USGP.

You were at a top team in Formula One - and yes, your attitude of "nothing can be done" is why you will
never be known as World Champion.

I admit JPM had plenty of faults (being a lazy, technically inept driver was one of them) but the Williams in 2003 was not a potential contender until the Monaco Grand Prix of that year, before that the car had serious handling problems. It was the new Michelin front tyres (later banned thanks to the FIA) that improved Williams-BMW's fortune. The BMW engine was unreliable and the Williams chassis was crap (as all Williams chassis have been since 1997). Montoya's years at McLaren were poor, but the Williams package in 2003 was only the best for a few races.

[Phucaigh]

His car failure in Japan and Austria in 2003 are not IFs..
So I was just correcting your bullshit statement.

Yeah, I agree. The engine failures were the real killers of his 2003 F1 bid as he was leading the races and looked good for the wins.

[Clatter]

Why is it that when people like you take shots at Montoya you always neglect to mention that his teammates also did not win the championship while being his teammate in these same championship winning cars?

Oh Oh, I know the answer to that one.

[Muz Bee]

W-F-W Why so bitter and angry about everything? You always seem to be trying to flame someone - your dislike of JPM is obvious but not surprising.

I can't see anything untoward in the interview. You have to put his comments in the obvious context of being carved out of a general media interview on the NASCAR trail. I didn't see him slagging anyone or team in particular, just the culture that is F1.

I liked JPM for the refreshing honesty of his views but I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinion. He instantly sent the message that he wasn't intimidated by Schumie with some audacious multiple turn passes, inside outside. He could be infuriatingly stupid at times like his red light pit exit at Montreal was it? Certainly not the consumate professional but a helluva talented driver whose outspoken views were a breath of fresh air in the suffocating world of F1.

His popularity is undiminished and F1 aware fans in the USA are always rooting for him on the ovals where he is just as controversial and competitive. To say he hasn't made an impact there is to contradict the truth. I would be one of millions of fans who would welcome JPM back to a top team in F1 but it won't happen.

[pjabyrne]

I saw a documetary the other night (Discovery actually) about his NASCAR career, there was a brief bit about F1 and earlier. On a number of occassions he dissed F1 - for example the cars were having tyre problems at Indy and he scoffed with his crew that if it was an F1 race it would be ababndoned. O how the good ol' rednecks laughed...

He could barely keep pace with Ralf Schumacher and frankly didn't have the intellegence to succeed in F1. Unlucky for Alonso he fled and left the seat vacant for Hamilton. FA would have crucified him in 07...

[Clatter]

for example the cars were having tyre problems at Indy and he scoffed with his crew that if it was an F1 race it would be ababndoned. O how the good ol' rednecks laughed...

Was he wrong?

MM made F1 a laughing stock that weekend.

[917k]

Was he wrong?

MM made F1 a laughing stock that weekend.

Yes he was, and it was Michelin that was the laughing stock. This attempt to make everything about Max and the FIA is getting stale. They acted in the only fashion that was reasonable..........race with what you have and if you can't race that's your problem. That is the difference...........NASCAR would have installed the chicane, to ensure a good show, regardless that they were benefiting a competitor that came unprepared for the conditions.

And, JPM carping about F1 is getting pretty stale too. If he hadn't been embarassed by KR and hadn't ended his career with a crash that took out his temamate and several other drivers, he might have some credibility.

As it is, he has none.

[OnyxF1]

He could barely keep pace with Ralf Schumacher and frankly didn't have the intellegence to succeed in F1. Unlucky for Alonso he fled and left the seat vacant for Hamilton. FA would have crucified him in 07...

Barely keep pace with R.Schumacher? He outscored him in terms of points in 2002, 2003 and 2004 as his teammate. The only year he didn't outscore him was 2001, his rookie year. Speaking of rookies, I seem to remember FA getting beaten by one. It just goes to show you that the drivers aren't as vastly different in ability as many think they are. Montoya is right, it's the car. It always has been, it always will be. Even Senna, G. Villeneuve and Schumacher could not challenge for the title in a bad car. That said, I don't think that is a bad thing. F1 is an engineers' sport not a drivers' sport.

Edited by OnyxF1, 07 July 2009 - 22:23.

[BMW_F1]

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And, JPM carping about F1 is getting pretty stale too. If he hadn't been embarassed by KR and hadn't ended his career with a crash that took out his temamate and several other drivers, he might have some credibility.

As it is, he has none.

That's simply your opinion, which is stupid by the way. According to you then only those very few drivers who have beaten every teammate in formula one have credibility.
That's the most absurd criteria I heard.

The quality of posts in here by certain posters is going down the drain.

[Muz Bee]

I suppose when some people inundate a thread with utter drivel it's time to move on.....

Can't remember Ralfie outclassing any team mate in his career. The man whose claim to fame was his surname.

Can't recall Max and Bernie escaping Indygate with any credit to their "dictator" policies - read "sit on your hands and ignore the jeering of the paying customers".

[wewantourdarbyback]

Yes he was, and it was Michelin that was the laughing stock. This attempt to make everything about Max and the FIA is getting stale. They acted in the only fashion that was reasonable..........race with what you have and if you can't race that's your problem. That is the difference...........NASCAR would have installed the chicane, to ensure a good show, regardless that they were benefiting a competitor that came unprepared for the conditions.

Is it just me or did you completely contradict yoursen there?

I's Michelin's fault not Mosely's but NASCAR would have gone with the chicane for the show.... The very thing that was suggested by the Michelin teams bit rejected by Maxxx?

Make thee mind up.

[Flash]

I read the other day this report in El Tiempo newspaper, it seems the original was longer, I don't know if BMW_F1 can translate it or just do it using google:

'Bienvenidos al 'club' de los frustrados con la F1'', les dice Montoya a Hamilton y a Alonso

El piloto colombiano afirmó que entiende perfectamente la frustración que tienen con la máxima categoría del automovilismo el español Fernando Alonso y el británico Lewis Hamilton.

"A ellos (el español Fernando Alonso y el inglés Lewis Hamilton) les digo: bienvenidos al club. Eso que ahora les ocurre es muy triste", manifestó el piloto bogotano Juan Pablo Montoya en Daytona, donde disputará la carrera Coke Zero 440 de la Sprint Cup, prueba de la máxima categoría de la Nascar.

"Al comienzo uno lucha y está feliz de correr en la Fórmula 1. Hice vueltas rápidas, logré varias 'pole', gané carreras, en fin. El sueño perfecto. Pero después de dos o tres años uno aprende cómo funciona todo en los equipos, cómo se manipula. Y concluí que si uno quería ganar, tenía que estar en algunos equipos, y eso no es tan fácil. Es un poco frustrante", sostuvo.

Dijo que durante sus cinco años de estadía en la Formula 1, del 2001 al 2004 en Williams y del 2005 al 2006 en McLaren, tuvo siempre "todas las de perder" cuando surgieron desacuerdos con la Federación Internacional de Automovilismo (FIA) o la escudería italiana Ferrari.

Recordó un incidente de carrera que tuvo en 2003 con uno de los pocos amigos que le dejó la Fórmula 1, el piloto brasileño Rubens Barrichello, que dirigía un Ferrari.

"Pensé que había perdido mis opciones en el campeonato tras el incidente con Rubens en Indianápolis. Pensé que me había faltado paciencia, aunque traté de pasarlo de forma limpia. Pero, la verdad es que con la FIA y Ferrari uno siempre llevaba todas las de perder", dijo Montoya. "En la Fórmula 1 si el carro estaba bien a comienzo del año, uno sabia que podía competir por el título.
Mire ahora como están las cosas allá. Jenson Button no aprendió a correr ahora, ni a Hamilton, Alonso o Felipe Massa se les olvidó. Si el auto no anda bien desde el comienzo, uno sabe que nada se puede hacer", explicó al comparar la máxima categoría del automovilismo con la Nascar. "Aquí, en Nascar, todo puede cambiar, son más carreras y la puntuación es distinta".

Montoya, quien cumplirá 34 años el 20 de septiembre, dijo que el reto de estar en la Nascar en un equipo que no esta acostumbrado a ganar ha sido uno de los más duros desafíos de su carrera y añadió que eso lo tiene más motivado que nunca.

En la Fórmula 1, todo le fue resultando "más monótono", ya que era casi imposible ganar si el carro no estaba bien desde el principio.

El colombiano, que cumple su tercer año en Nascar, dijo que el proceso de convertir a su equipo, el Earnhardt Ganassi Racing, en ganador "va por buen camino".

Calcula que en dos años podrán tener un auto que le permita estar en los primeros lugares, aunque actualmente ocupa el duodécimo puesto en la clasificación, el último que da una plaza para pelear por el 'chase' (el título a final de la temporada).

"El proceso va bien. Cuando uno habla de tres a cinco años para tener un carro ganador, la gente piensa que estoy loco, pero es así y hay que trabajar duro. Aquí estoy feliz. Por eso me da risa cuando la gente me escribe en el 'twitter' que les hago falta en la Fórmula 1. Estoy tan contento con el cambio de categoría que no lo puedo describir", manifestó.

El carro de Montoya, mejor novato en su primera temporada en Nascar, ha ido mejorando paulatinamente y parte de eso se lo atribuye a la fusión que tuvo su equipo con la escudería Earnhardt, que ahora provee los motores de su auto.

"Muy pequeños los cambios que hicimos este año. El único grande ha sido el de motor. Antes los hacíamos nosotros (Dodge) y ahora tenemos nuevos (Chevrolet) que son un poco más potentes. También ayuda que soy mucho más cercano a mi jefe de equipo, Brian Pattie. Él sabe lo que quiero, nos entendemos y la tecnología del carro ha avanzado bastante", explicó.

Aunque se declara feliz y más relajado desde su salida de la F-1, el ganador de las 500 Millas de Indianápolis y de siete grandes premios afirma que mantiene las ganas de competir y triunfar. La gran diferencia es que ahora se toma las cosas con más paciencia.

Daytona
Con Efe

[Dmitriy_Guller]

Can't remember Ralfie outclassing any team mate in his career. The man whose claim to fame was his surname.

Some say that Ralf looked a little better than Zanardi in 1999.

[Brawn BGP 001]

Some say that Ralf looked a little better than Zanardi in 1999.

Understatement of the year.

I like Alessandro, but for some wierd reason he never did well in F1, a shame because he was/is a talented driver and an inspiration for many people in his situation and many motorsport fans as well. I always shed a tear when he wins a WTCC race.

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 07 July 2009 - 23:54.