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#901 paulstevens56

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 23:50

So the question has to be john, why choose a pay tv model?

 

I suppose the answer must be that those paltry few thousands who pay cover the costs.

 

Surely that business model has no longevity built into it as the numbers will always surely fall?



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#902 johnmhinds

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 00:20

So the question has to be john, why choose a pay tv model?

 

I suppose the answer must be that those paltry few thousands who pay cover the costs.

 

Surely that business model has no longevity built into it as the numbers will always surely fall?

Because FOMs only goal is to maximise short term profits for its investors who don't give two hoots about what happens in 5-10 years time because they'll have taken that money and moved on to invest it in something else.



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Posted 06 February 2019 - 12:45

After (Once again.) quite a long search, I managed to find out some more, but only as for now the pending ratings for some of the missing BBC Grand Prix races from the years of 1992-1995.

 

Here they come and these ratings are quite high and I'm not sure about them, but they could be at least closer to the truth than before because these following races were shown in BBC1 instead rather than in BBC2 and some races will stay as them were before:

 

1992

 

Magny-Cours: 6 million (Another rating was 5,45 million viewers.)

 

1993

 

Monaco: 4,5 million (Another rating was 4,25 million viewers.)

 

Magny-Cours: 4 million (Another rating was a bit under of 4 million viewers, 3,95 million to be exact, but I also managed to find out that there was a another rating of 4,86 million.)

 

Estoril: 5,49 million (Another rating was exactly 5 million viewers, another was a bit under of 5 million viewers, 4,95 million to be exact, but I also managed to find out that there was a another rating of 4,75 million. Highest peak number of viewers was told to be around region of 6 million viewers which is a very big rating for a 1993 season race.)

 

1994

 

Magny-Cours: 4,1 million (Another rating was under 3,5 million viewers, but there was also a better one new rating of 3,75 million.)

 

1995

 

Hungaroring: 4,25 million (Another rating was 3,78 million viewers.)

 

PS. This message has been written for notification purposes. I will update the following information on a part 18 of this topic which contains that very big amount of ratings from the years of 1992-2006 up from this particular notification message when this information is confirmed to be real thing. I will also modify this message, if my current ratings for these BBC1 races are incorrect.



#904 Blue6ix

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 12:52

Okidokes! :)

Top 10 "European" Race Broadcasts without Britain
01 - 06.73m - 1996 Monaco Grand Prix (BBC1)
02 - 06.70m - 1996 Portuguese Grand Prix (BBC2)
03 - 06.12m - 1995 European Grand Prix (BBC2)
04 - 06.10m - 1992 Monaco Grand Prix (BBC2)
05 - 05.77m - 1995 Portuguese Grand Prix (BBC2)
06 - 05.68m - 1997 European Grand Prix (ITV1)
07 - 05.63m - 1996 German Grand Prix (BBC1)
08 - 05.56m - 1994 European Grand Prix (BBC1)
09 - 05.51m - 1995 Italian Grand Prix (BBC2)
10 - 05.50m - 1996 European Grand Prix (BBC2)

You've probably, by now, noticed the same Grand Prix's making an appearance. Here are the averages for the European races from 1992 to present:

05.22m - Portugal *no races since 1996
04.74m - Great Britain
04.38m - Luxembourg *only two races
04.18m - Monaco
04.07m - Europe
03.76m - San Marino
03.73m - Germany
03.73m - Singapore *only one race so far
03.70m - Belgium
03.69m - South Africa *only two races
03.65m - Italy
03.62m - Hungary
03.60m - Austria
03.48m - Spain
03.32m - France
03.29m - Bahrain
02.75m - Turkey

 

How about a American/Asian table with or without the British GP? :up:  



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Posted 06 February 2019 - 15:26

I might have also found out some estimates for the possible ratings of Nigel Mansell's Indycar on ITV (Otherwise known as Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93' or 94' depending on year.) in these past few days when trying to find out those old BBC Grand Prix ratings from the years of 1992-1995.

 

They were actually quite evenly matched up against F1 ratings on BBC during those years of 1993-1994.

 

Some times they might have been even more watched than F1 races.

 

Especially in season 1993, if not even at least a part of the 1994 season too.

 

They never were any of the Top 30 list, but still might have had quite a big ratings on their time.

 

Especially when they were broadcasted after the middle of the day nearing any where from 12-16 o' clock.

 

I'll sort them out within the couple of days and if I'm in luck, I'll might be able to have checked them by tomorrow evening.



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Posted 07 February 2019 - 10:17

After quite a long time and also with a big dissapointment of false ratings about F1 Qualifying ratings from the past there was a one new real Qualifying rating for ITV and for the 1998 season.

 

It was from the 1998 Spanish Grand Prix Qualifying and it had 1,8 million viewers.

 

I will update it shortly.

 

PS. This message has been written for notification purposes. I will update the following information on a part 18 of this topic which contains variable amount of F1 Qualifying ratings from the years of 1996-1998 up from this particular notification message.


Edited by Blue6ix, 07 February 2019 - 10:22.


#907 djparky

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 10:32

So the question has to be john, why choose a pay tv model?

I suppose the answer must be that those paltry few thousands who pay cover the costs.

Surely that business model has no longevity built into it as the numbers will always surely fall?



The money FOM get from the deal, they don't care how many people watch, they get paid anyway

#908 Blue6ix

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 15:06

After quite of a search, I managed to find some missing figures from the F1 Season 2000.

 

These two following figures are Re-run figures from the Australian Grand Prix and Malaysian Grand Prix.

 

Even though the latter mentioned race Re-run from Sepang is moderately speaking a uncertain one sadly and there was no mention about Japanese Grand Prix race Re-run figures. :(

 

I will list them below:

 

2000 Australian Grand Prix

 

Grand Prix Race Re-run: 2,94 million

 

2000 Malaysian Grand Prix

 

Grand Prix Race Re-run: 1,75 million

 

PS. This message has been written for notification purposes. I will update this information on a part 18 of this topic which contains that very big amount of ratings from the years of 1992-2006 up from this particular notification message.



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:14

After a few days of searching, I managed to find out most of the ratings for the Nigel Mansell's Indycar on ITV programme which was seen during the years of 1993-1994.

 

Excluded from these years ratings are the introduction and outroduction broadcast of these programmes which were the seasons preview and review broadcasts and also because their respective ratings sadly couldn't be found.

 

Sadly there weren't also any ratings for the following race programmes from the Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93' because for some odd reason most of the UK magazines didn't released any information about ratings during the period of May 1993-July 1993 for their early dates at most:

 

77th Indianapolis 500 or as the 1993 Indianapolis 500 (Which was held at 30.5.1993, but shown in 5.6.1993.)

 

Miller Genuine Draft 200 or 1993 Milwaukee Mile (Which was held at 6.6.1993, but shown in 12.6.1993.)

 

ITT Automotive Grand Prix of Detroit or 1993 Belle Isle Park Raceway Grand Prix (Which was held at 13.6.1993, but shown in 19.6.1993.)

 

Any ratings information for these broadcasts and also for the 1993 Monaco Grand Prix and 1993 Canadian Grand Prix are very much appreciated!

 

However, here are the rest of the broadcast and ratings for the Nigel Mansell's Indycar on ITV or better known as Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93' even though the broadcast times starts knowingly only from at Portland race and then from beyond at rest of the season races:

 

Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93' ITV Ratings for a possible comparison for F1 Ratings on BBC in 1993

 

Australian FAI Indycar Grand Prix or 1993 Surfer's Paradise Street Circuit Grand Prix (Which was held at 21.3.1993, but shown in 27.3.1993.) 4,375 million viewers

 

Valvoline 200 or 1993 Phoenix International Raceway Grand Prix (Which was held at 4.4.1993, but shown in 10.4.1993.) 3,665 million viewers

 

Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach or 1993 Streets of Long Beach Grand Prix (Which was held at 18.4.1993, but shown in 24.4.1993.) 4,35 million viewers

 

Budweiser/G.I. Joe's 200 or 1993 Portland International Raceway Grand Prix 3.7.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 27.6.1993 and this is sole exception on UK magazines at motor race TV viewing figures which I were able to find out during that very troublesome period of May 1993-very early July of 1993 period.) 3,19 million viewers

 

Budweiser Grand Prix of Cleveland or 1993 Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport Circuit Grand Prix 17.7.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 11.7.1993.) 3,795 million viewers

 

Molson Indy Toronto or 1993 Exhibition Place Toronto Street Circuit Grand Prix 24.7.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 18.7.1993.) 6,5 million viewers

 

Marlboro 500 or 1993 Michigan International Speedway Grand Prix 7.8.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 1.8.1993.) 7,05 million viewers

 

New England 200 or 1993 New Hampshire International Speedway Loudon Grand Prix 14.8.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 8.8.1993.) 7,15 million viewers

 

Texaco/Havoline 200 or 1993 Elkhart Lake Wisconsin Road America Road Course Grand Prix 28.8.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 22.8.1993.) 5,5 million viewers

 

Molson Indy Vancouver or 1993 BC Place Vancouver Street Circuit Grand Prix 4.9.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 29.8.1993.) 5,78 million viewers

 

Pioneer Electronics 200 or 1993 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course Grand Prix 18.9.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 12.9.1993.) 7,5 million viewers

 

Bosch Spark Plug Grand Prix or 1993 Pennsylvania Nazareth Speedway Grand Prix 25.9.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 19.9.1993.) 7,3 million viewers

 

Toyota Grand Prix of Monterey or 1993 Laguna Seca Raceway Grand Prix 9.10.1993 ITV 13.40-14.10 o' clock (Race was held at 3.10.1993.) 8,2 million viewers

 

PS. I'll try to locate those missing 1993 race ratings and if I'm not able to find them, then I will put those 1994 Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 94' ratings by tomorrow at earliest and otherwise after 2-3 more days after I have confirmed the last few unsure ratings of them. Unlike for the 1993 season, these ratings are from the complete season of programmes.


Edited by Blue6ix, 10 February 2019 - 11:34.


#910 crooky369

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 12:54

Those ratings for the 1993 Indycar season can’t be true... surely?

7 million people watched the Michigan 500 here in the UK. That’s like Six Nations Rugby levels of viewership.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 13:28

Those ratings for the 1993 Indycar season can’t be true... surely?

7 million people watched the Michigan 500 here in the UK. That’s like Six Nations Rugby levels of viewership.

 

ITV did surely have some very highly rated viewership programmes back then.

 

Also viewership in the UK was heavily depending on Nigel's possible chase for the PPG Championship.

 

Nigel really did have quite a good mid-season even though it was marred by Detroit and Toronto races.

 

That helped to build up viewership, too.

 

Even though by the year of 1994, viewership was plummeting to the bottom as that year went by excluding the strong or at least moderately trying early season up to June period of that year's time.


Edited by Blue6ix, 10 February 2019 - 13:33.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 18:09

Our Nige's run to the CART title in 1993 was a big deal. By 1992/93, Mansell was very much a household name and had attracted people to viewing on TV and attending races who wouldn't have done so in the late 80s....witness the track invasion at Silverstone in 1992 for example. Mansell Mania, they called it. Those ITV figures could well be accurate. 



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:46

I was surprised by those 93 Indy ratings, but only because I thought they showed everything overnight as I remember my old man taping stuff for us to watch!

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:55

I was surprised by those 93 Indy ratings, but only because I thought they showed everything overnight as I remember my old man taping stuff for us to watch!

Think the races were early evening for UK viewers, so actually a good time to pull in the viewers.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:24

No, they were definitely overnights in the same strand as “Cinema Cinema Cinema”, “WCW Worldwide” and other late night gems

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:47

No, they were definitely overnights in the same strand as “Cinema Cinema Cinema”, “WCW Worldwide” and other late night gems

Looking at the schedule for Indycar this year, the latest start is 8pm est, which is 1am in the UK. Most races start earlier giving mid to late evening starts.
Indy starts about 5pm in the UK, so generally the races are at good times to pickup UK viewers . Especially when there was great interest in what Mansell did, and the races were not behind a paywall.

Edited by Clatter, 11 February 2019 - 09:47.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:59

Timing was hard for west coast races, Long Beach, Laguna Seca, Portland. The rest of the races were easily watchable without losing sleep.



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:13

I don't remember ITV showing the races live, I thought it was all the special highlights package they put together with Nigel's interviews etc.

It's very possible they showed the highlights overnight early in the week with a repeat on the following Sunday lunchtime?

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:39

Sadly after quite a fast confirmation search for verifying those missing Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 94' programmes and their respective ratings I wasn't able to find those missing Indycar races for Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93' programme.

 

The whole 16 race season programme average in 1993 for ITV weren't also found.

 

Even though there were rumours about it having a nigh under of 5 million viewers to anywhere about between of F1 1992 season respective ratings, meaning 5,1 million viewers and of F1 1996 season respective ratings which had 5,3 million viewers.

 

That means approximately 5,2 million viewers for a complete season of 16 Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93' programmes, if it could be verified to be true.

 

Even if it didn't have that much viewers, it was still mentioned to have about a one million more viewers than F1 races on BBC during the year of 1993 for their complete 16 race season.

 

Even though also quite a many 1993 F1 races is still missing, those races were simply not followed during that year or so it most strongly seems to be so rather than Indycar.

 

Because of Mansell Mania that is most likely. :cool:

 

However, I still managed to find those Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 94' programmes and their respective ratings for a whole 16 race season so I'll post them on the next message.


Edited by Blue6ix, 11 February 2019 - 12:41.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:42

I don't remember ITV showing the races live, I thought it was all the special highlights package they put together with Nigel's interviews etc.

It's very possible they showed the highlights overnight early in the week with a repeat on the following Sunday lunchtime?

The races were definitly shown live, but I don't remember them being on ITV either. I think it might have been eurosport.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 14:23

The races were definitly shown live, but I don't remember them being on ITV either. I think it might have been eurosport.

Eurosport would sound right for the time.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 15:06

If I remember rightly ITV used to show the Indy highlights early afternoon on a Saturday (when Mansell was involved).  Thankfully it was the programme that got me into motorsport back in the early 90's.



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 16:00

Ratings for the Nigel Mansell's Indycar on ITV for 1994 PPG Indycar World Series Season have been found and verified so these will come in this message.

 

Excluded from these ratings are the introduction and outroduction broadcast of these programmes which were the seasons preview and review broadcasts and also because their respective ratings sadly couldn't be found. Introduction broadcast for Nigel Mansell's Indycar on ITV was seen as a season preview in 19.3.1994 on ITV at 13.40-14.10 o' clock and outroduction broadcast and also acting as a final broadcast ever for Nigel Mansell's Indycar on ITV was seen as a season review in 22.10.1994 on ITV at 13.40-14.10 o' clock.

 

However, here are the rest of the broadcast and ratings for the Nigel Mansell's Indycar on ITV or better known as Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 94' with their broadcast times as well:

 

Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 94' ITV Ratings for a possible comparison for F1 Ratings on BBC in 1994

 

Australian FAI Indycar Grand Prix or 1994 Surfer's Paradise Street Circuit Grand Prix 26.3.1994 ITV 14.10-14.40 o' clock (Race was held at 20.3.1994.) 8 million viewers

 

Slick 50 200/Valvoline 200 or 1994 Phoenix International Raceway Grand Prix 16.4.1994 ITV 13.40-14.10 o' clock (Race was held at 10.4.1994.) 4 million viewers

 

Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach or 1994 Streets of Long Beach Grand Prix 23.4.1994 ITV 14.10-14.40 o' clock (Race was held at 17.4.1994.) 8,1 million viewers

 

78th Indianapolis 500 or as the 1994 Indianapolis 500 4.6.1994 ITV 14.10-14.40 o' clock (Race was held at 29.5.1994.) 7,4 million viewers

 

Miller Genuine Draft 200 or 1994 Milwaukee Mile 12.6.1994 ITV 15-15.30 o' clock (Race was held at 5.6.1994, but this race's particular programme was shown exceptionally in Sunday rather than the normal Saturday broadcast date week after the race.) 3 million viewers

 

ITT Automotive Grand Prix of Detroit or 1994 Belle Isle Park Raceway Grand Prix 18.6.1994 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 12.6.1994.) 6,22 million

 

Budweiser/G.I. Joe's 200 or 1994 Portland International Raceway Grand Prix 2.7.1994 ITV 13.40-14.10 o' clock (Race was held at 26.6.1994.) 3,11 million viewers

 

Budweiser Grand Prix of Cleveland or 1994 Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport Circuit Grand Prix 16.7.1994 ITV 13.40-14.10 o' clock (Race was held at 10.7.1994.) 2,06 million viewers

 

Molson Indy Toronto or 1994 Exhibition Place Toronto Street Circuit Grand Prix 23.7.1994 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 17.7.1994.) 2,15 million viewers

 

Marlboro 500 or 1994 Michigan International Speedway Grand Prix 6.8.1994 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 31.7.1994.) 4 million viewers

 

Pioneer Electronics 200 or 1994 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course Lexington Grand Prix 20.8.1994 ITV 14-14.30 o' clock (Race was held at 14.8.1994.) 2,3 million viewers

 

New England Double Slick 50/Valvoline 200 or 1994 New Hampshire International Speedway Loudon Grand Prix 27.8.1994 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 21.8.1994.) 2,05 million viewers

 

Molson Indy Vancouver or 1994 Vancouver Street Circuit Grand Prix 10.9.1994 ITV 13.40-14.10 o' clock (Race was held at 4.9.1994.) 2,24 million viewers

 

Texaco/Havoline 200 or 1994 Elkhart Lake Wisconsin Road America Road Course Grand Prix 17.9.1994 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 11.9.1994.) 3,14 million viewers

 

Bosch Spark Plug Grand Prix or 1994 Pennsylvania Nazareth Speedway Grand Prix 24.9.1994 ITV 13.40-14.10 o' clock (Race was held at 18.9.1994.) 2,7 million viewers

 

Toyota Grand Prix of Monterey or 1994 Laguna Seca Raceway California Grand Prix 15.10.1994 ITV 14.10-14.40 o' clock (Race was held at 9.10.1994.) 3,53 million viewers


Edited by Blue6ix, 11 February 2019 - 16:10.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 22:03

Out of interest, what's the source for the Indy Car viewing figures? Considering the highest F1 audience figures in this country is 8.8 million, some of those Indy Car figures look dubious at best, but happy to be proven wrong.



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 22:16

The most tainted thing about this immense research is that you can't truly draw comparisons of today's decline because of modern variables. How many millions are watching on unofficial streams / false YouTube broadcasts and not accounted for? I think there are as many unregulated viewers as their are registered especially so for the under 30 age group. This was only possible from the late 00s. Then you have endless social media highlights, captures etc. I think I've seen more web clips, crash analysis videos, interviews and preview things than full races in recent seasons.


Edited by danmills, 11 February 2019 - 22:20.


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 14:04

When searching those Nigel Mansell' Indycar Year viewing figures from the years of 1993-1994 and from ITV I also managed to find out few BTCC Racing or also known as TOCA Touring Cars Racing season races and their respective ratings.

 

Even though those BTCC/TOCA or TOCA/BTCC race ratings are from the years of 1996-1997.

 

I will do comparison for them to some F1 races from the same period, if they do match for their broadcast dates and will not, if they don't.

 

There it is:

 

1996 BTCC/TOCA comparison against F1

 

1996 Silverstone Circuit BTCC/TOCA Grand Prix or Silverstone Circuit TOCA/BTCC Grand Prix: 3,01 million BBC2 (British Grand Prix had 5,59 million viewers on BBC2.)

 

1997 BTCC/TOCA comparison against F1

 

1997 Donington Park National BTCC/TOCA Grand Prix or Donington Park National TOCA/BTCC Grand Prix: 2,17 million BBC2 (Canadian Grand Prix had 5,92 million viewers on ITV.)



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Posted 16 February 2019 - 11:12

Again, when searching some of those Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year viewing figures from ITV and F1 viewing figures from BBC I managed to find out some more BTCC or TOCA Touring Car season ratings.

 

One of them can and will be compared against F1 Qualifying.

 

These two BTCC/TOCA races are from the season of 1996:

 

1996 Brands Hatch Circuit BTCC/TOCA Kent Grand Prix or Brands Hatch Circuit TOCA/BTCC Kent Grand Prix: 2,92 million BBC1 (British Grand Prix Qualifying had 3,09 million viewers on BBC1. It has to be noted that BTCC/TOCA Kent Grand Prix or TOCA/BTCC Kent Grand Prix was shown on BBC two weeks after the actual race.)

 

1996 Knockhill Racing Circuit BTCC/TOCA Fife Grand Prix or Knockhill Racing Circuit TOCA/BTCC Fife Grand Prix: 2,58 million BBC1 (It has to be noted that BTCC/TOCA Fife Grand Prix or TOCA/BTCC Fife Grand Prix was shown on BBC two weeks after the actual race. On the same day Hungarian Grand Prix Qualifying was shown on BBC2, but I sadly don't have those ratings for them even though it seems to be that Touring Cars, as an exception, fared better than F1 according to several other sources unless being said or proven otherwise.)

 

This one BTCC/TOCA race is from the season of 1997:

 

1997 Knockhill Racing Circuit BTCC/TOCA Fife Grand Prix or Knockhill Racing Circuit TOCA/BTCC Fife Grand Prix: 2,28 million BBC2

 

And finally these three BTCC/TOCA races are from the season of 1998:

 

1998 Brands Hatch Circuit BTCC/TOCA Kent Grand Prix or Brands Hatch Circuit TOCA/BTCC Kent Grand Prix: 1,22 million BBC2

 

1998 Donington Park BTCC/TOCA Leicestershire National Grand Prix or Donington Park TOCA/BTCC Leicestershire National Grand Prix: 2,57 million BBC2

 

1998 Brands Hatch Circuit BTCC/TOCA Second Kent Grand Prix or Brands Hatch Circuit TOCA/BTCC Second Kent Grand Prix: 2,08 million BBC2 (This race was seen either as a surprise live coverage on it's supposed race day in BBC2 and as a very sensational Monday Race right after or interrupting Cricket Match from it's another Test Runs, but otherwise it was seen as a highlights on BBC2 6 days later and once again in a week with no F1 to compete with. Only possible reason even to consider about Monday Race Live Broadcast could have been only because of the supposed and eventually real showing of the Nigel Mansell's TOCA guest appearence. If it really was on Monday as a surprise live coverage, then Test Runs were resumed right after any urgent delays like Mr. Mansell's comments for also right after the race. I'm not really sure about this in the moment.)


Edited by Blue6ix, 16 February 2019 - 12:05.


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Posted 16 February 2019 - 11:25

F1 broadcasting blog has this info.


Now rebranded as Motorsport Broadcasting !!
https://motorsportbroadcasting.com/

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 15:00

After some searching for the 1995 Monaco Grand Prix ratings for BBC there was also a discovery for a possible confirmation for the long lost 1993 Canadian Grand Prix and it's prospective ratings.

 

And if there wasn't, at least it was said that 1993 Canadian Grand Prix had less than 3,39 million viewers on BBC2 and it wasn't never higher than 7th place for Top 30 programmes list.

 

As for now I'm considering to change status of that particular race from it's lingering question mark, but I will wait for a couple of days for either a better source or a better another confirmation for that race to be updated for.

 

However, 1995 Monaco Grand Prix and 1995 Spanish Grand Prix are interesting as for what comes to their ratings.

 

They both were broadcasted in BBC2.

 

For example, 1995 Spanish Grand Prix had 3,51 million viewers of course.

 

Still it was said to also have as high ratings as of a 4,46 million viewers, but hence for this day since I first found that Grand Prix years ago I always thought it's rather just a peak number of viewers and nothing more.

 

As of now, I'm not that sure anymore. :(

 

Unless there has been a major mix-up of a ratings back then what comes to BARB? :confused:  :eek:

 

I would base this point of view for a 28.5.1995 Top 30 Programmes list for BBC2 when Monaco Grand Prix was being held and then it was leaved outside of the Top 30 Programmes lists at least for my acquired sources.

 

Interestingly Monaco Grand Prix was said to have a less than 3,65 million viewers.

 

For comparison, 1995 Spanish Grand Prix always made it for it's race date Top 30 Programmes list for BBC2 either as it's own integrated programme or labelled as Motor Racing from Spain nevertheless and it also at best, was the 2nd most watched programme which is immense when comparing that for Monaco and even with it's lowest rating it made it when as Monaco didn't.

 

Also, to put a cherry on top of the cake, it seems to be case and it was also said that Monaco Grand Prix had at least 3,51 million viewers which could make sense and speak up for the possible mix-up incident.

 

However, unless really refering to it's possible spike of viewers, I really think that 1995 Monaco Grand Prix never didn't have that approximate number of viewers of 4,46 million.

 

That would've came of as a utter bollocks talk.

 

And also could have easily made it to the BARB Top 30 Programmes list for BBC2 on that fateful day of 28.5.1995.

 

Even though there was many other highly rated sport events for that day back then.

 

As for now, I will wait for a couple of days before I'll put those ratings for their own respective places and replacing those lingering question marks or at least provide some information for their current, especially maybe a very radical change for the 1995 Spanish Grand Prix ratings.

 

I will appreciate any helpful sources for to come by and over for this interesting new problem. :up:


Edited by Blue6ix, 16 February 2019 - 15:08.


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Posted 19 February 2019 - 13:26

After another few days of searching, I managed to find out complete ratings for the Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93' on ITV. It was a programme which was seen during the years of 1993-1994 with it's name been slightly modified to Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 94' for the year of 1994 in the following year.

 

Excluded from these years ratings are the introduction and outroduction broadcast of these programmes which were the seasons preview and review broadcasts and also because their respective ratings sadly couldn't be found either of those years mentioned.

 

Also introduction and outroduction broadcast timetable for Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93' programmes are missing as of now.

 

Sadly broadcast information or ratings also couldn't be found for 1993 Monaco Grand Prix or 1993 Canadian Grand Prix.

 

Any ratings information for the 1993 Monaco Grand Prix and 1993 Canadian Grand Prix for their accurate ratings are very much appreciated!

 

However, here are the complete broadcast times and ratings for the Nigel Mansell's Indycar on ITV or better known as Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93':

 

Nigel Mansell's Indycar Year 93' ITV Ratings for a possible comparison for F1 Ratings on BBC in 1993

 

Australian FAI Indycar Grand Prix or 1993 Surfer's Paradise Street Circuit Grand Prix 27.3.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 21.3.1993.) 4,375 million viewers

 

Valvoline 200 or 1993 Phoenix International Raceway Grand Prix 10.4.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 4.4.1993.) 3,665 million viewers

 

Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach or 1993 Streets of Long Beach Grand Prix 24.4.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 18.4.1993.) 4,35 million viewers

 

77th Indianapolis 500 or as the 1993 Indianapolis 500 5.6.1993 ITV 14.30-15 o' clock (Race was held at 30.5.1993.) 4,13 million viewers

 

Miller Genuine Draft 200 or 1993 Milwaukee Mile 12.6.1993 ITV 14-15 o' clock (Race was held at 6.6.1993.) 2,215 million viewers

 

ITT Automotive Grand Prix of Detroit or 1993 Belle Isle Park Raceway Grand Prix 19.6.1993 ITV 14.30-15 o' clock (Race was held at 13.6.1993.) 2,5 million viewers

 

Budweiser/G.I. Joe's 200 or 1993 Portland International Raceway Grand Prix 3.7.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 27.6.1993.) 3,19 million viewers

 

Budweiser Grand Prix of Cleveland or 1993 Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport Circuit Grand Prix 17.7.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 11.7.1993.) 3,795 million viewers

 

Molson Indy Toronto or 1993 Exhibition Place Toronto Street Circuit Grand Prix 24.7.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 18.7.1993.) 6,5 million viewers

 

Marlboro 500 or 1993 Michigan International Speedway Grand Prix 7.8.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 1.8.1993.) 7,05 million viewers

 

New England 200 or 1993 New Hampshire International Speedway Loudon Grand Prix 14.8.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 8.8.1993.) 7,15 million viewers

 

Texaco/Havoline 200 or 1993 Elkhart Lake Wisconsin Road America Road Course Grand Prix 28.8.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 22.8.1993.) 5,5 million viewers

 

Molson Indy Vancouver or 1993 BC Place Vancouver Street Circuit Grand Prix 4.9.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 29.8.1993.) 5,78 million viewers

 

Pioneer Electronics 200 or 1993 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course Grand Prix 18.9.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 12.9.1993.) 7,5 million viewers

 

Bosch Spark Plug Grand Prix or 1993 Pennsylvania Nazareth Speedway Grand Prix 25.9.1993 ITV 13.10-13.40 o' clock (Race was held at 19.9.1993.) 7,3 million viewers

 

Toyota Grand Prix of Monterey or 1993 Laguna Seca Raceway Grand Prix 9.10.1993 ITV 13.40-14.10 o' clock (Race was held at 3.10.1993.) 8,2 million viewers



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Posted 19 February 2019 - 15:43

After a little while and thinking about some of discoveries recently, I have decided to update some ratings from the years of 1993-1995 what comes to about British F1 TV Ratings and more precisely, BBC ratings.

 

Question marks will remain, but there are some ratings for some races and not just question marks any longer after this.

 

Most of the updates will be made for 1993 Monaco Grand Prix, 1993 Canadian Grand Prix, 1995 Spanish Grand Prix and 1995 Monaco Grand Prix with at least a mention for a 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix as well.

 

Most recent discovery could have been the real race ratings for 1993 Belgian Grand Prix.

 

That race has been really hard to track down properly and it also has a curious twist for it.

 

I will talk about that matter soon.

 

Also there will be some updates for Japanese Grand Prix and Australian Grand Prix with a few possible mentions for 1995 Pacific Grand Prix because I think that I have possibly made a mistake back then. Updates about Japanese Grand Prix and Australian Grand Prix for the years of 1994-1995 even though these updates will only be just a possible Combined Ratings and not their accurate ratings.

 

I will put them up immediately.

 

PS. This message has been written for notification purposes. I will update this information on a part 18 of this topic which contains that very big amount of ratings from the years of 1992-2006 up from this particular notification message.


Edited by Blue6ix, 19 February 2019 - 15:45.


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Posted 19 February 2019 - 17:56

Even though there is still quite of a many UK Ratings missing or unsure from the years of 1992-2006, I have thinking about to start comparing BBC or ITV ones with Italian ones because I also do have quite a many historical race ratings and also from the recent season as well.

 

Even though I have to sort them before I actually will send them.

 

Oldest of them are from the year of 1991 and full season ratings starts from the seasons of 1996-1998.

 

RAI was a broadcaster and broadcasts in Italy was a shared business in the years of 1991-1995 and in 1996 possibly TV Italia had those broadcast rights for a one year before full RAI return.

 

Those full season ratings starting from those years are depending on for their few unsure ratings, but I will put them up soon.


Edited by Blue6ix, 19 February 2019 - 17:57.


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Posted 22 February 2019 - 19:42

So here are some race ratings from Italian TV and from the season of 1991. I will start comparing UK race ratings against the Italian ones once I'll get to the year of 1992:

 

Italian F1 TV ratings 1991

 

Phoenix: 7,206 million (It was seen in Italia 1 and if I'm not mistaken, it was highest watched commercial channel Grand Prix in Italy before 1994 Italian Grand Prix. Even in this day, it most likely remains to be at least ninth most watched commercial channel Grand Prix in Italy ever.)

 

Imola: 7,681 million (It was seen in RAI Due.)

 

Mexico City: 5,305 million (It was seen in RAI Due.)

 

Those race ratings were from the 1991 season so here is the comparison with 1992 Spanish Grand Prix in UK and in Italy:

 

Italy F1 TV Ratings 1992 VS. UK TV Ratings 1992

 

Barcelona: 5,325 million viewers and 3,99 million viewers (It was seen in Italia 1 so Italy 1 beat BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

While not actually TV Rating itself and sadly with no exact number of viewers to be compared with, 1992 German Grand Prix and race in Italy had best of non-Olympic TV programme share per percentage. Race in Hockenheim gathered about 37 % for all the viewers from RAI Due for that race.

 

After those race ratings and from the 1992 season here is the comparison with 1993 Brazilian Grand Prix and 1993 San Marino Grand Prix in UK and in Italy:

 

Italy F1 TV Ratings VS. UK TV Ratings 1993

 

Interlagos: 4,341 million viewers and 4,27 million viewers (It was seen in RAI Due so RAI Due beat BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

Imola: 5,649 million viewers and 4,44 million viewers (It was seen in RAI Due so RAI Due beat BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

I can't compare 1993 Monaco Grand Prix as I don't have accurate ratings for British BBC1 race coverage. In Italy 1993 Monaco Grand Prix had 3,778 million viewers and it was seen in Canale 5. It was maybe so that BBC1 did beat Canale 5 or maybe it didn't as of what the situation currently is according to this matter of fact. I can't also compare 1993 European Grand Prix as I don't have accurate ratings for British BBC2 race coverage. In Italy 1993 European Grand Prix had 3,179 million viewers and it was seen in Italia 1. It seems to be that Italia 1 did beat BBC2 or maybe it didn't as of what he situation currently is according to this matter of fact at the moment. 

 

After those race ratings and from the 1994 season here is the comparison with 1994 San Marino Grand Prix, 1994 Canadian Grand Prix and 1994 Italian Grand Prix in UK and in Italy:

 

Italy F1 TV Ratings VS. UK TV Ratings 1994

 

Imola: Anywhere around 20-30 million and maybe even over 30 million viewers since I sadly don't have any more accurate ratings and 3,53 million viewers (These ratings are for RAI Due Complete Ratings for every possible race programme that contains every possible viewer for the race day and it's related Grand Prix programmes after Ayrton Senna's lethal accident. :(  Actual race ratings when including the Re-run were up to average of 12,5-14,762 million viewers and approximately for 15 million viewers. For 15 million viewers would have been the most watched Grand Prix in Italy at least after the 1980s or at latest after the year of 1990. Race itself from Imola had at least 12,390 million viewers. RAI Due beat BBC once again for that matter of comparison.)

 

Montreal: 5,854 million viewers and 4,23 million viewers (It was seen in Italia 1 so Italia 1 beat BBC yet again for that matter of comparison.)

 

Monza: 11,158 million viewers and 4,56 million viewers (These ratings are for Italia 1. This is still the most watched commercial Grand Prix in Italy ever. Italia 1 did beat BBC yet again for that matter of comparison.)

 

After those race ratings and from the 1994 season here is the final comparison season of 1995 with 1995 San Marino Grand Prix, 1995 Belgian Grand Prix, 1995 Italian Grand Prix, 1995 Portuguese Grand Prix and 1995 European Grand Prix in UK and in Italy:

 

Italy F1 TV Ratings 1995 VS. UK F1 TV Ratings 1995

 

Imola: 9,193 million and 5,25 million (It was seen in Italia 1 so Italia 1 did beat BBC once again for that matter of comparison. This is the fifth most watched commercial Grand Prix in Italy ever if I'm not mistaken.)

 

Spa-Francorchamps: 5,680 million and 5,44 million (It was seen in Italia 1 so Italia 1 did beat BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

Monza: 9,005 million and 5,51 million (It was seen in RAI Due so RAI Due beat BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

Estoril: 5,367 million and 5,77 million (It was seen in Italia 1 and for once, BBC did actually managed to beat Italia 1 for that matter of comparison.)

 

Nürburgring: 6,12 million and 6,12 million (It was seen in Italia 1 and for once, BBC and Italia 1 had actually a tie-breaker for that matter of comparison.)

 

After the comparison, it seems to be so that almost always Italian TV channel did beat BBC for what comes about to spectator interest in F1 during the years of 1992-1995.

 

Even though it really has to be remembered that these race ratings unlike for upcoming season comparisons of 1996-1998, are only for a few races when those seasons have almost surely complete ratings for them to be compared again with against British BBC or ITV.

 

Hopefully the Italian TV ratings for 1992-1995 and their complete season ratings could be found some day.

 

I will put those Italian TV ratings from the seasons of 1996-1998 soon. Maybe tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.


Edited by Blue6ix, 23 February 2019 - 10:35.


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Posted 23 February 2019 - 10:21

Here is a comparison for the 1996 F1 season TV ratings in Italy and in UK and the races were shown almost always in Italia 1 with a few exceptions in Italy meaning the commercial channel mostly as a one year deal before RAI taking over in 1997 and in UK the races were shown in BBC as a final year on their deal back then before ITV and before the year of 2009:

 

Italy F1 TV Ratings 1996 VS. UK F1 TV Ratings 1996

 

Melbourne: 5 million and 773 000 viewers as a Live coverage and 3,23 million for a Re-run coverage (Italia 1 wins and even when possibly using Live/Re-run method and then Italia 1 had 1 million viewers as a Live coverage and 4 million viewers as a Re-run coverage.)

 

Interlagos: 5,7 million and 5,68 million (Italia 1 wins even though only barely.)

 

Buenos Aires: 2,982 million and 6,08 million (BBC wins.)

 

Nürburgring: 8,958 million and 5,50 million (Italia 1 wins.)

 

Imola: 10,198 million and 5,04 million (Italia 1 wins. This race is also second most watched commercial channel Grand Prix ever in Italy and only behind the 1994 Italian Grand Prix.)

 

Monaco: 3 million and 6,73 million (BBC wins. This race was broadcasted in Italy as an exception by Canale 5.)

 

Barcelona: 9,349 million and 4,81 million (Canale 5 wins. This race was broadcasted in Italy as an exception by Canale 5.)

 

Montreal: 3 million and 4,09 million (BBC wins.)

 

Magny-Cours: 3,13 million and 5,38 million (BBC wins.)

 

Silverstone: 2,5 million and 5,59 million (BBC wins.)

 

Hockenheim: 2,6 million and 5,63 million (BBC wins.)

 

Hungaroring: 3 million and 5,15 million (BBC wins.)

 

Spa-Francorchamps: 8,808 million and 5,40 million (Italia 1 wins.)

 

Monza: 10,121 million and 5,10 million (Italia 1 wins. This race also is the third most watched commercial channel Grand Prix ever in Italy. It is only behind the 1996 San Marino Grand Prix and 1994 Italian Grand Prix what comes about the ratings.)

 

Estoril: 8,635 million and 6,70 million (Italia 1 wins.)

 

Suzuka: 3,787 million and 1,6 million as Live race coverage and 2,317 million for a Re-run coverage (Actually this is quite a interesting thing. And a half-win for BBC. BBC ratings did beat Italia 1 Live coverage ratings which were 1,395 million viewers, but lost to Italia 1 Re-run or as in Italian, Replica coverage ratings which were 2,392 million viewers. BBC did barely won against Italia 1 even when possibly using Live/Re-run method.)

 

Broadcasters in Italy did have 8,5 victories against 7,5 victories that BBC had so they were, at parts, very evenly matched for what comes about the ratings.

 

So when comparing, this can be either declared as a draw or a victory for either of the opposing sides, mainly then favoring Italy narrowly, even though when declared by such, it is most likely a matter of opinion.


Edited by Blue6ix, 23 February 2019 - 10:22.


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Posted 23 February 2019 - 11:56

Here is the comparison for the 1997 F1 Season TV ratings in Italy and in UK. In Italy RAI was the broadcaster starting it's coverages again after many years of shared broadcasts and also after a one-off year with no broadcasts. It was first season since 1990 that RAI did show Grand Prix races in Italy.

 

ITV in England started also to broadcast Formula 1 after quite a long break even though historical Grand Prix were sometimes broadcasted by the same or local ITV channels, then called as Anglia TV, Tyne Tee TV, Granada TV and with many other different names.

 

However, here is the comparison and it has to be noted that 1997 Japanese Grand Prix ratings for ITV are sadly dubious at the moment and especially what comes to that race's Live coverage viewing figures so I do apologize for possible mistakes beforehand :) :

 

Italy F1 TV Ratings 1997 VS. UK F1 TV Ratings 1997

 

Melbourne: 2,822 million viewers and 1,15 million viewers as a Live coverage and 3,34 million viewers for a Re-run coverage (Actually this is quite a interesting thing. And at least a half-win for ITV. ITV Live coverage ratings did beat RAI Live coverage ratings which were abysmal of 199 000 viewers, but lost to RAI Re-run or as in Italian, Replica coverage ratings which were 2,623 million viewers. However, ITV did won straight against RAI what comes about Re-run coverage and when possibly using Live/Re-run method. Either this is a half-win or a straight win for ITV this time.)

 

Interlagos: 3,032 million viewers and 6,84 million viewers (ITV wins.)

 

Buenos Aires: 3,10 million viewers and 6,05 million viewers (ITV wins.)

 

Imola: 11,10 million and 4,15 million (RAI wins.)

 

Monaco: 5 million and 5,23 million (ITV wins though barely.)

 

Barcelona: 7,291 million and 3,21 million (RAI wins.)

 

Montreal: 7,665 million and 5,92 million (RAI wins.)

 

Magny-Cours: 8,562 million and 3,59 million (RAI wins.)

 

Silverstone: 5,369 million and 5,02 million (RAI wins even though barely.)

 

Hockenheim: 5,903 million and 3,49 million (RAI wins.)

 

Hungaroring: 6 million and 4,16 million (RAI wins.)

 

Spa-Francorchamps: 6,962 million and 4,32 million (RAI wins.)

 

Monza: 9,5 million and 3,83 million (RAI wins.)

 

A1-Ring: 9 million and 3,71 million (RAI wins.)

 

Nürburgring: 6,124 million and 3,61 million (RAI wins.)

 

Suzuka: 4,973 million and 3,36 million as a Live Coverage and 3,35 million as a Re-run coverage (This rating is sadly for UK and ITV, very dubious at best in this point since only Re-run coverage viewing figures can be verified to be what they are as of now. If using that Live/Re-run method and if ITV Live Coverage could be true after all unless it has been much, much lower than that, ITV wins finally this round, even though Re-run coverage is actually better anyway than Italian RAI viewing figures as their own. RAI did had a number of 2,157 million viewers as a Live Coverage and 2,816 million viewers as a Re-run or Replica coverage so I would declare ITV to be winner at least this time even though the really accurate rating for Live Coverage is still missing.)

 

Jerez: 12,993 million and 5,68 million (RAI wins.)

 

So when comparing, RAI almost always did win ITV what comes to their rating and only lost 3,5-4,5 victories to ITV depending on situation for the Japanese Grand Prix.

 

Ratings speak for themselves this time quite clearly.


Edited by Blue6ix, 23 February 2019 - 12:13.


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Posted 23 February 2019 - 13:29

Finally, after the seasons of 1996 and 1997 there is one more season to be compared with mostly between Italy and UK what comes about TV viewing figures.

 

This time, season is 1998.

 

For the 1998 season, I sadly don't have ITV ratings for Magny-Cours or Suzuka and even Melbourne Live Race Coverage rating is still unsure even though I have it's Re-run Coverage ratings.

 

When Magny-Cours and Suzuka comes, I'll just put those Italian RAI ratings there only.

 

So, it's time for a comparison:

 

Italy F1 TV Ratings 1998 VS. UK F1 TV Ratings 1998

 

Melbourne: 2,407 million and possibly 873 000 viewers as a Live Ratings and 3,82 million as a Re-run (I think ITV at least does have a partial victory about what comes for the ratings here. Even though the Live Ratings were possibly a bit under of RAI Live Ratings, Re-run figures did beat RAI Replica figures by quite a big margin. Even when using Live/Re-run method, British ratings are outstanding when comparing them against Italian ones. RAI had 1 million viewers for their own Live Coverage and 1,407 million viewers for their own Replica Coverage and even if they maybe beat ITV for it's Live Ratings, they didn't beat them when comparing them with the ITV Re-run coverage.)

 

Interlagos: 5,2255 million and 6,05 million (ITV wins for once.)

 

Buenos Aires: 6,23 million and 6,23 million (RAI and ITV had a tie-breaker for once.)

 

Imola: 12,179 million and 4,57 million (RAI wins.)

 

Barcelona: 7,429 million and 3,60 million (RAI wins.)

 

Monaco: 8,597 million and 3,90 million (RAI wins.)

 

Montreal: 10 million and 7,24 million (RAI wins.)

 

Magny-Cours: 7,774 million (Sadly no ITV ratings, because I don't have them. Odds are heavily favoring for RAI at this point unless ITV ratings could be found for the comparison. RAI ratings actually did beat World Cup 1998 football figures, because the best rating World Cup matches could muster at that point for RAI was France-Paraguay match with 6,489 million viewers.)

 

Silverstone: 6,816 million and 5,87 million (RAI wins. Also World Cup 1998 Final for football at least did beat F1 in Italy back then even though actually quite of a many other match didn't. World Cup 1998 Final was watched by 15,273 million viewers in RAI.)

 

A1-Ring: 8,150 million and 3,94 million (RAI wins.)

 

Hockenheim: 1,6705 million and 3,87 million (ITV wins for once.)

 

Hungaroring: 7,403 million and 4,08 million (RAI wins.)

 

Spa-Francorchamps: 11,5 million and 4,75 million (RAI wins.)

 

Monza: 14,4 million and 4,65 million (RAI wins.)

 

Nürburgring: 13,845 million and 5,15 million (RAI wins.)

 

Suzuka: 2,822 million (Sadly no ITV ratings since I don't have them. Maybe ITV could have or have not beaten RAI for once what comes about ratings battle between them. Once again it was surprisingly low rating for a Italian one. But, since Michael Schumacher and Ferrari did have a world championship shot at grasp, then it was exceptionally other way around for a typical Japanese or Australian rating in Italy. Live Race Coverage was watched by 1,922 million viewers and 900 000 viewers did watch Re-run or as in Italian, Replica.)

 

So when comparing, RAI almost always did win ITV what comes to their rating and only lost 2,5 victories to ITV during the season and for what comes about ratings battle between them depending on situation for Australian sure Live Race Coverage ratings for ITV, French Grand Prix ratings and Japanese Grand Prix ratings either of a Live Race Coverage or Re-run Coverage. Approximately ITV could have 4,5 victories against RAI if French Grand Prix ratings and Japanese Grand Prix rating would surpass them. Also in 1998 season RAI and ITV had a one draw in Buenos Aires.


Edited by Blue6ix, 23 February 2019 - 13:33.


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Posted 24 February 2019 - 08:59

F1 broadcasting blog has this info.


Can you replicate the figures here or at least post a link?

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 10:05

Can you replicate the figures here or at least post a link?

You'll have to scroll back through the blog but every race of last season has comparisons between C4 and Sky with historical ratings for the few years previous too.

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 10:35

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 11:36

Interesting averages.

 

And just when I thought to put up some race-by-race ratings for Italian RAI and UK ITV to be compared with.

 

Even though for the years 1999-2006 ITV didn't ever beat RAI for most of the races anyway about what comes for ratings. Though I can't really fully compare them yet since for example 2000 Malaysian Grand Prix and 2000 Japanese Grand Prix are missing for their Race rating and Re-Run ratings for ITV.

 

Only in Asian or Australian races they had a slight change for to be at the top of the ratings mountain during those years.

 

For some years not even then.

 

Especially in 2000 and 2001 when Italians had 6 million viewers for Melbourne in both said years and 12 million viewers for Suzuka at first mentioned year and 9,292841 million viewers at second mentioned year.

 

So at this point, I will not continue to put those ratings from Italy.

 

Unless of course people really want to see those Italian race-by-race ratings. :)

 

Historical German race-by-race ratings like from the early 1990s or mid-1990s and almost any French ratings from either that 1990s era or from the 2000s would be really interesting to see.


Edited by Blue6ix, 24 February 2019 - 11:53.


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Posted 24 February 2019 - 11:52

Interesting that the Italian viewing figures dropped significantly during the Ferrari dominance years also. 



#942 Blue6ix

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 12:17

It is even though their race-by-race ratings remained quite high even after Schumacher's first supposed retirement for quite a many years.



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 12:20

Interesting that the Italian viewing figures dropped significantly during the Ferrari dominance years also. 

 

The same happened in Germany, see the other thread for the German ratings. I'd suggest this decline is simply a return to normal viewership levels after a big hype earlier with Ferrari getting more and more competitive after 1996 in the Schumacher era.



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Posted 26 May 2019 - 13:47

After quite a while and thinking about some of discoveries recently, I have decided to update some ratings from the years of 1992-1994 and from the year of 1998 what comes to about British F1 TV Ratings and more precisely, BBC ratings and ITV ratings.

 

Question marks will remain, but there are fewer of them than before and question marks will not remain really any longer after this update.

 

At least hopefully so even though there are still challenges laying ahead and waiting to be resolved.

 

Most of the updates will be made for 1992 French Grand Prix, 1992 Portuguese Grand Prix, 1993 European Grand Prix, 1993 French Grand Prix, 1993 Hungarian Grand Prix, 1993 Portuguese Grand Prix, 1994 French Grand Prix, 1994 Hungarian Grand Prix, 1998 French Grand Prix and 1998 Japanese Grand Prix.

 

I will put them up immediately.

 

PS. This message has been written for notification purposes. I will update this information on a part 18 of this topic which contains that very big amount of ratings from the years of 1992-2006 up from this particular notification message.



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Posted 27 May 2019 - 04:14

I have also acquired many new historical BBC F1 ratings from the years of 1989-1991 even though they weren't very much watched unlike during Mansell Mania years and following shortly after it.

 

Particularly and during the years of 1989-1991 as expected, the European races were considered always or when conditions permitted, to be shown as a live coverage.

 

However, almost all of them were included within Grandstand-programme and when included, it weren't easy to find almost any European race ratings from BBC during that time.

 

Only exception for the usual live European race coverage, was the French Grand Prix and at least once in 1989 the Portuguese Grand Prix as tentatively.

 

French Grand Prix was siding with Wimbledon and that of course meant that race always to be shown only as a highlights.

 

Even though French Grand Prix always had a possibility to go for a live coverage when the most important Wimbledon matches were over.

 

That really weren't easy to digest for british fans and most outrageous one, if I'm not remembering wrong, was the 1991 French Grand Prix and it's showing only as a highlights even though there were complaints earlier years too.

 

That outburst meaned that BBC finally after many years of complaining started to have French Grand Prix in the BBC1 for the following years.

 

Also, every race during the years of 1989-1991 was tentatively shown or to be shown in BBC2 excluding Monaco Grand Prix 1991 highlights in BBC1 and possibly some surprise coverage races from the longdistance races.

 

In the next message I'll start putting up those new ratings from those years because I think that one message including those ratings from the years of 1992-2006 is reaching it's text character limits and I'll do this just in case up to a following next few messages.


Edited by Blue6ix, 27 May 2019 - 04:16.


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Posted 27 May 2019 - 04:27

In the last message the bad news were that almost any European races from the years of 1989-1991 in BBC had only those ratings included to the Grandstand-programme and there weren't any really said ratings for as their own programmes. There were exceptions at times, but not many of them.

 

However, the good news are coming from the long distance races.

 

BBC at time, have them almost always to be shown only as a highlights. Even though there were a few exceptions for that rule and I'll explain them either during this message or in the following ones.

 

BBC also interstingly showed for some their long distance races re-runs of them in the following Monday and their ratings actually were more watched than when shown as a same-day highlights or sometimes as really long highlights or non-live full coverage race.

 

BBC Monday Re-runs for the seasons 1989-1991 were for the following races at least and if I'm sadly mistaken, please don't hesitate for make it so:

 

1989

 

Mexico City

 

Phoenix

 

Montreal

 

1990

 

Phoenix

 

Interlagos

 

1991

 

Mexico City

 

Some of the longdistance race only had a same-day highlights coverage or that was hesitatingly maked as a highlights programme if for instance, 1989 Japanese Grand Prix or 1989 Australian Grand Prix had shown earlier as a fully live surprise coverage.



#947 Blue6ix

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Posted 27 May 2019 - 04:41

Because for the reasons explained in the few earlier messages, I'll start to put up those European F1 BBC ratings from the years of 1989-1991 which I were able to find out and when those race had their really own race rating labelled as a Grand Prix or Grand Prix Racing.

 

As said before, most of the European races for that time had only included in to the Grandstand-programme so it was almost impossible to find any information about them. Unless of course they still had their own ratings that I missed from checking out or even worse, had so low ratings that they really didn't make it to any Top 30 Programmes list at all.

 

However, here are the lists for a few European races from the years of 1989-1991

 

BBC European Race Ratings 1989

 

Monaco: 2,29 million

 

Monza: 2,47 million

 

BBC European Race Ratings 1990

 

Hungaroring. 2,70 million

 

Spa-Francorchamps: 2,62 million

 

Monza: 2,83 million

 

BBC European Race Ratings 1991

 

Hockenheim: 2,26 million

 

Of course there were also rumours about British Grand Prix reaching 9 million viewers as in 1990 or 1989, but I really think it's been only as a peak number and even then it could be astronomically high one. Otherwise it was a utter bollocks talking since those days excluding Wimbledon or very important football or cricket matches, BBC2 really hadn't a very big number of viewers.

 

I'm continuing to search some more of the European races from the years of 1989-1991 when time is permitting that, but it really seems to me that races during those years were simply not watched.

 

I have also heard about rumours for some re-runs or particularly at time known as a Grand Prix-programme had also some few million viewers per programme as well.

 

Even though it was really hard to decide at which particular European race was a live coverage or not during that time because some newspaper were simply not saying those things. And when they really said them, they only recorded those Grand Prix-programme ratings and not the actual live race coverage ratings.


Edited by Blue6ix, 27 May 2019 - 04:43.


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Posted 27 May 2019 - 05:57

And finally as for now, I will put up those BBC longdistance race ratings from the years of 1989-1991.

 

Good news is that unlike for the European race coverage, BBC almost always had no any other coverage them and mostly were just simply shown once only even though some races had their Monday Re-runs, particularly in 1989 season.

 

I'll include those Monday Re-runs ratings as well.

 

There are a few upcoming exceptions which will be explained when time comes to that matter.

 

For now, here are the ratings when the only missing ratings are sadly 1989 Brazilian Grand Prix ratings and if I'm not mistaken it was seen only as a highlights:

 

BBC Longdistance Race Ratings 1989

 

Mexico City: 2,28 million as a Race Highlights and 1,22 million as a Monday Re-run

 

Phoenix: 1,24 million as a Race Highlights and 1,25 million as a Monday Re-run

 

Montreal: 1,07 million as a Race Highlights and 1 million exact as a Monday Re-run

 

Suzuka: 4,18 million (This rating is for either as a Race, Race Highlights and possibly just a normal highlights programme depending on that BBC really went into a fully live coverage of that very famous Grand Prix because there was a championship decider at hand.

 

Otherwise this rating is for the only known race programme in England for this particular Grand Prix. If shown as a live coverage, there really weren't most likely much of an audience to speak for. If shown as a live coverage, BBC1 could also have shown that race depending the situation of the morning programmes.)

 

Adelaide: 2,99 million (This rating is for either as a Race, Race Highlights and possibly just a normal highlights programme depending on that BBC really went into a fully live coverage of that famous downpour Grand Prix.

 

Unlike Suzuka however, was that championship had actually virtually decided when Ayrton Senna was not punished regarding his antics towards Alain Prost in Suzuka. Therefore BBC likely weren't showing this race as a live coverage so much demanded rather than in Suzuka.

 

Otherwise this rating is for the only known race programme in England for this particular Grand Prix. If shown as a live coverage however, there really weren't most likely much of an audience to speak for. If shown as a live coverage, BBC1 could also have shown that race depending the situation of the morning programmes.)

 

BBC Longdistance Race Ratings 1990

 

Phoenix: 2,80 million as a Race Highlights and 1,13 million as a Monday Re-run

 

Interlagos: 1,72 million as a Race Highlights and 1,21 million as a Monday Re-run

 

Montreal: 1,83 million as a Race Highlights or just Race

 

Mexico City: 3,52 million as a Race Highlights or just Race

 

Suzuka: 3,50 million (This rating is for either as a Race, Race Highlights and possibly just a normal highlights programme depending on that BBC really went into a fully live coverage of that famous Japanese Grand Prix. Once again this race was a very important championship decider at time and BBC could have made an exception for their own rules just for that particular instance.

 

Once again it was sadly a time for Ayrton Senna-Alain Prost crash yet again and when not even showing red flag and having a new start, unsatisfying history was being made for that somewhat odd and sensational decision by the Clerk of the Course.

 

Even though there were always a change for retribution crash from the riled up Brazilian and from the shocked and enraged Frenchman. Otherwise this rating is for the only known race programme in England for this particular Grand Prix. If shown as a live coverage, there really weren't most likely much of an audience to speak for. If shown as a live coverage, BBC1 could also have shown that race depending the situation of the morning programmes.)

 

Adelaide: 2,64 million (This rating is for either as a Race, Race Highlights and possibly just a normal highlights programme depending on that BBC really went into a fully live coverage of that famous Australian Grand Prix.

 

Only reason for being shown as a live coverage after the championship was once again at least tentatively clinched by controversial Ayrton Senna and when the Grand Prix folks were enraged, shocked and waiting for a possible disqualification to come for him especially after being waved off by remedy of his 1989 Japanese Grand Prix actions and made sworn by a certain Frenchman and by a certain Britton for that crash never to happen again, was the fact that it was the 500th Grand Prix.

 

Otherwise this rating is for the only known race programme in England for this particular Grand Prix. If shown as a live coverage, there really weren't most likely much of an audience to speak for. If shown as a live coverage, BBC1 could also have shown that race depending the situation of the morning programmes.)

 

BBC Longdistance Race Ratings 1991

 

Phoenix: 2,29 million as a Race Highlights or just Race

 

Interlagos: 2,52 million as a Race Highlights or just Race

 

Montreal: 3,35 million as a Race Highlights or just Race

 

Mexico City: 2,09 million as a Race Highlights and 1,32 million as a Monday Re-run

 

Suzuka: 2,10 million as a Race Re-run (This Grand Prix had it's surprise Live Coverage. It was shown in BBC2. Two reasons for that to happen were a one certain Mr. Red Five to have a change for the championship and of course by the pressure from the British fans to have a clemency for their earlier French Grand Prix mock-up and similiar incidents from the earlier years when stated, but not shown promised races as a live coverage.

 

Also BBC made sure that if the championship was not decided when there, the next race, meaning Australian Grand Prix would have also shown as a live coverage. Because of this reason I'm not sure about the ratings for the 1991 Japanese Grand Prix Race, but it was mentioned at some of the 1992 magazines that it had a lower amount of viewers than in the 1992 Japanese Grand Prix so I think 1991 Japanese Grand Prix Race ratings were around 1 million when as in 1992 they were at least 1,3 million.)

 

Adelaide: 3,80 million as a Race and 2,96 million as a Re-run (This particular Grand Prix is interesting. Since most likely it was and still is the shortest Grand Prix ever to be raced with it's 14 accepted laps and 17 non-accepted laps and also by the fact that BBC could have shown this race or was prepared to have shown this race, once again as an exception, as a fully live coverage.

 

Also for this instance, Australian Grand Prix had a earlier Re-run and I'm not sure about this race being shown as a live, but if so then it had quite high number of viewers. Otherwise that first mentioned rating is only for the Race Highlights.

 

And also otherwise the race was shown as a non-live coverage altogether and it just had it's Re-run Highlights later by the day. And as a final note for time being, this race was flagged off so it actually didn't matter that much as of when it had so short running time around the world as it was for the BBC coverage as well.

 

All of those programmes related to Australian Grand Prix that year excluding the possibility of the surprise live coverage were to be shown in BBC2 and only in immediate and desperate situation at the BBC1.

 

This particular Australian Grand Prix had a possibility to held as a Monday race, if there was a flagoff as it had, but sadly by the pressure of international media and the championship already decided that option was widely abandoned one. This discovery of possible multiple highlights programmes for the Australian Grand Prix as an example, have made me to think about a few other 1990s Australian Grand Prix and also possibly a few other 1990s Japanese Grand Prix as well. The problem is that did they had any additional highlights programmes on BBC when shown?

 

Because if true, there will be compromised ratings for the 1993 Japanese Grand Prix, 1993 Australian Grand Prix and for the 1994 Pacific Grand Prix. Hopefully I'm not mistaken, but if so, I will make corrections of them after a coordinated re-searching of those ratings and any other added programmes and materials relating to them.)

 

As an added bonus, here comes the French Grand Prix ratings from the 1989-1991 because they were only shown as a highlights during those years unless I'm really mistaken by that fact and I will correct them if needed, but here they come:

 

1989-1991 BBC French Grand Prix Highlights Ratings

 

1989: 1,86 million (This race was being held at Paul Ricard.)

 

1990: 1,87 million (This race was being held at Paul Ricard for the last time before of course the most recent years.)

 

1991: 2,19 million (This race was being held at Magny-Cours for the first time. This particular French Grand Prix only as a highlights was a last straw for the british fans and it caused a major uproar which caused BBC to make amendments for the upcoming years and to have a little more live coverage races to be added for showing in the late of that year.)


Edited by Blue6ix, 27 May 2019 - 06:07.


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Posted 27 May 2019 - 09:45

I have been thinking about some viewership averages from the 1992-1996 Portuguese Grand Prix and from the years of 1992-2009 Hungarian Grand Prix.

 

First mentioned one doesn't seem to have that 5,22 million average viewership.

 

However, Hungarian Grand Prix for the years of 1992-2009 does seem to have that 3,62 million average viewership.

 

Even though it depends on several different things:

 

Firstly, 1993 Hungarian Grand Prix has been said to have Under 1,40 million viewers as per BBC2 Top 30 Programmes List back then provided by BARB. After a quick thinking and assuming the following Hungarian Grand Prix 1994 and 1995 editions of them to have their own viewership correctly stated, 1993 Hungarian Grand Prix had or at least it seems so to must had a viewership number of 1,17 million viewers which could very well be the exact number of viewers back then.

 

Secondly, 1994 Hungarian Grand Prix has been said to have Under 3,51 million viewers as per BBC2 Top 10 Programmes List back then provided by BARB. This statement as for the 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix, have been difficult to find out. However, when comparing the ones of 2007-2009 Hungarian Grand Prix and their own ratings after a quick thinking, it seems to be so that 1994 Hungarian Grand Prix had either it's number of viewers as low as a 2,55 million viewers and it's highest number of viewers was 3,21 million viewers. With most average number of viewers from the 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix, it seems to have a 2,78 million viewers. Those ratings are tentative ones, but they also are plausible ones unless stated differently and with a better viewership information.

 

Thirdly and finally, 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix exact viewership has also been quite difficult to find out even though not as hard as 1993 Hungarian Grand Prix and 1994 Hungarian Grand Prix have been. Even though it still has been quite hard to find out it, but there has been some promising records of viewership of it. 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix has been said to have Under 6,54 million viewers as per BBC1 Top 10 Programmes List back then provided by BARB. This statement for this race has been also quite difficult to find out.

 

However, when comparing the ones of 2007-2009 Hungarian Grand Prix and their own ratings after a quick thinking, it seems to be so that 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix have had 5,58 million viewers as it's average back then and trusting those 1993 Hungarian Grand Prix and depending on the 1994 Hungarian Grand Prix really exact rating that could really well be true. Because the most highest number of viewers meaning 6,54 million or a little less, might say a 6,11 million viewers would have put it to be the third most watched Grand Prix back in 1995 in the UK, but I really think that it hadn't that much of a viewers.

 

Also I have heard rumours about that 1995 British Grand Prix had 6,40 million viewers and that was the most watched Grand Prix back in 1995 which is true, but what's interesting is that 1995 European Grand Prix was said to be the most watched non-British Grand Prix back in 1995 because it had a 6,12 million viewers. Even though there were some other very much watched Grand Prix races back then in UK, in those rumours what I have heard of the any other highly watched race had under 6,12 million viewers and it well could be it.

 

If those rumours also could be verified as a waterproof ones, then my assuming and also the earlier mentioned Hungarian Grand Prix viewership average of 3,62 million viewers from the years of 1992-2009 are to be truthful ones.

 

What makes them also be the truthful ones indeed are the fact that if the 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix only had as low number of viewers then what was stated or said before, meaning 3,78 million viewers, it wouldn't be enough for it's earlier said viewership average of 3,62 million viewers for the years of 1992-2009.

 

Any other remaining possible problem for the 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix has been a quite persistent rumour that 1996 Hungarian Grand Prix would have been the most watched Hungarian Grand Prix with it's 5,15 million viewers back then. And also since 1992 Hungarian Grand Prix also had a 5,09 million viewers, it is indeed quite difficult to judge those rumours.

 

Because if the 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix would have had, say a 5 million or a little more up to 5,08 million viewers, with even them it wouldn't be enough for that Hungarian Grand Prix viewership average of 3,62 million viewers from the years of 1992-2009 and that's causing quite stirring piece of problems at the moment unless a more accurate information can be obtained. Nevertheless, 1995 Hungarian Grand Prix appears still to be quite watched race and without a doubt for a Hungarian Grand Prix.

 

Maybe I will update this thing for the said 1992-2006 ratings post on the page 18 in this topic as usual or I will wait a bit longer and approximately a few days if I'm in any luck about finding any new ratings for a some other troublesome races during that said era meaning of course the years of 1992-2006.


Edited by Blue6ix, 27 May 2019 - 09:59.