Luca Badoer: What can he do?
#1
Posted 16 August 2009 - 20:38
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#2
Posted 16 August 2009 - 20:56
If he can unlock the tyres at the right moment I think he'll be able to just crack the top ten.
Don't forget, he will potentionally have the Brawns, Red Bulls, McLarens and Feranado Alonso's Renault ahead of him (if he is allowed to race).
So at Valencia, with a few crashes perhaps, I think he'll finish between 6 and 8.
If he qualifies poorly he'll be locked into his starting position, given that the track is nearly impossible to overtake on.
I reckon between 6th and 8th place in the other six races of the year for Luca, unless Ferrari make quite huge steps.
Best case scenario is a podium if we get a wet race in Japan or Singapore.
#3
Posted 16 August 2009 - 20:57
#4
Posted 16 August 2009 - 21:03
How many promotional days can a team have?
#5
Posted 16 August 2009 - 22:21
I think the big, big problem will be getting the qualy laps right, if he fails there the weekend is ruined already. Might be good though for the entertainment value of the race, as he'd have to KERS-pass a couple of people.
#6
Posted 16 August 2009 - 22:37
However if he get's against all odds qualifying perfect, he will be doing good, being helped by KERS.
#7
Posted 17 August 2009 - 06:01
#8
Posted 17 August 2009 - 07:40
Luca has a big challenge in front of him at Valencia, what should we expect?
For him not to crash it! and to get into the points, My guess was top 8 when announced and I still stand by that...
#9
Posted 17 August 2009 - 07:50
#10
Posted 17 August 2009 - 07:55
#11
Posted 17 August 2009 - 08:37
#12
Posted 17 August 2009 - 08:50
Still, I hope I'm wrong. The Minardi breaking down in 99 is something I'll always remember, you really felt for the poor guy. Nice to seem him get another chance
#13
Posted 17 August 2009 - 09:08
It all depends on the car of course.
#14
Posted 18 August 2009 - 14:54
#15
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:06
Being realistic, a points finish could be hard to achieve. Even Kimi didn't manage it on a couple occasion. I think he might steal a point with some luck.German media is reporting that Schumacher will be in Valencia as Badoer's driving coach. With Schumi's tips, Badoer will make it a difficult weekend for Raikkonen.
Edited by micra_k10, 18 August 2009 - 15:07.
#16
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:08
German media is reporting that Schumacher will be in Valencia as Badoer's driving coach. With Schumi's tips, Badoer will make it a difficult weekend for Raikkonen.
I think that's really humiliating for Badoer.
Let him drive his own race weekend, not have the ominous shadow of Schumacher pulling his strings.
#17
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:16
There is nobody who knows more about driving an F1 car than Schumi though. That knowledge, transferred to Badoer, could be worth as much as a full second, depending on the track. Beating Raikkonen to a points finish could be possible with a perfect weekend.Being realistic, a points finish could be hard to achieve. Even Kimi didn't manage it on a couple occasion. I think he might steal a point with some luck.
Edited by Schumacher Forever, 18 August 2009 - 15:17.
#18
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:17
I see nothing humiliating there, in fact Badoer is probably happy to have such an experienced hand around and also Schumacher attending will deflect some of the press focus away from himself.I think that's really humiliating for Badoer.
Let him drive his own race weekend, not have the ominous shadow of Schumacher pulling his strings.
#19
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:18
There is nobody who knows more about driving an F1 car than Schumi though. That knowledge, transferred to Badoer, could be worth as much as a full second, depending on the track. Beating Raikkonen to a points finish could be possible with a perfect weekend.
Hmmm, I agree with your first point, Schumacher's knowledge of an F1 car is immense.
However, he can't given Badoer a Vulcan mind-meld and download all of that ability.
It doesn't work like that.
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#20
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:24
It doesn't work like that.
Yes it does.. however there's a tradeoff, this uber knowledge transfer comes with a funny fashion sense.. Badoer would have to live with that forever afterwards..
#21
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:41
I think that's really humiliating for Badoer.
Let him drive his own race weekend, not have the ominous shadow of Schumacher pulling his strings.
I agree. Maybe if Schumacher had driven the car and had a good number miles under his belt but he will be giving tips about a car he's never driven.
#22
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:41
I don't see any problem with Schumi's fashion sense. He's ahead of his time, that's all.Yes it does.. however there's a tradeoff, this uber knowledge transfer comes with a funny fashion sense.. Badoer would have to live with that forever afterwards..
#23
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:45
There is nobody who knows more about driving an F1 car than Schumi though. That knowledge, transferred to Badoer, could be worth as much as a full second, depending on the track. Beating Raikkonen to a points finish could be possible with a perfect weekend.
I'm not saying Schumacher cannot help Badoer, but I think Badoer knows the setups well, being a test driver for so long. Schumacher cannot improve the driver. Of course he might have some ideas where Badoer could gain time, but any driver should get these ideas by himself and if not, from comparing where teammate is winning. Schumacher could add a little bit extra on that, maybe a tenth or two depending on the track.
#24
Posted 18 August 2009 - 15:57
I don't see any problem with Schumi's fashion sense. He's ahead of his time, that's all.
He's German too...
#25
Posted 18 August 2009 - 16:12
#26
Posted 18 August 2009 - 16:17
People who're predicting points for him are unconsciously thinking about previous years when he'd have had a huge car advantage over most of the field. Now even the Torro Rosso is a Red Bull complete with DDD and the Force India is 50% McLaren. This is the closest field in F1 history, all good cars with good drivers, all race sharp. Good luck, Luca.
Edited by undersquare, 18 August 2009 - 16:18.
#27
Posted 18 August 2009 - 16:31
Schumi, how is that going to help? It will mildly p*ss off Kimi that's about all .
That would be more than enough to help Badoer. Believe me, with Schumi present at Valencia Bedoer will end up with a better result than Kimi.
Rob Smedley can tell Badoer everything he actually needs to know.
Stay cool, Luca-baby. Yeah-yeah!
#28
Posted 18 August 2009 - 16:37
Would be shocked if he got a podium.
#29
Posted 18 August 2009 - 17:11
Rob Smedley can tell Badoer everything he actually needs to know.
Stay cool, Luca-baby. Yeah-yeah!
IMO it would be more like "fire up, granddaddy luca!"
#30
Posted 18 August 2009 - 17:14
#31
Posted 18 August 2009 - 17:15
There is nobody who knows more about driving an F1 car than Schumi though.
Ah yes, the bloke who's never driven an 09 spec car....
#32
Posted 18 August 2009 - 18:18
I'd be surprised if he makes it out of Q1. The competition is just so tight this year.
#33
Posted 18 August 2009 - 18:23
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#36
Posted 18 August 2009 - 18:56
It's not a proper lap but i check his time - 1.04s. Last year F3 pilot Bortolotti did in F2008 0.59s.
Edited by Odvan, 18 August 2009 - 23:03.
#37
Posted 18 August 2009 - 19:00
Couple of points? If Ferrari has slipped further down during the last month, scoring a point might prove too difficult for both drivers, not just Luca the substitute.He's saying it will be pretty much a test session for him. My hunch is that Ferrari will use his track time to extensively test parts because realistically they can't expect more than a coupld of points from Luca. They'll put different, perhaps much more capable driver by the next race. So a little sacrifies ( a couple of points ) in quest to close on teams ahead and gain big at further races.
#38
Posted 18 August 2009 - 19:01
There is nobody who knows more about driving an F1 car than Schumi though. That knowledge, transferred to Badoer, could be worth as much as a full second, depending on the track.
Funny troll is funny.
#39
Posted 18 August 2009 - 19:30
I always wanted to start a thread entitled "Schumacher: What exactly does he do now at Ferrari?" It's never been clear. Couldn't be bothered though.I'm going to take a wild guess that the German überdriver will be doing his usual hovering-in-the-pits thing (he's some kind of consultant, isn't he?) but because that's too effing boring for Bild, they've made him a driving instructor instead...
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#40
Posted 18 August 2009 - 20:17
There is nobody who knows more about driving an F1 car than Schumi though. That knowledge, transferred to Badoer, could be worth as much as a full second, depending on the track. Beating Raikkonen to a points finish could be possible with a perfect weekend.
I think this is possibly the funniest thing I have ever read on here, nope, scratch that, it is the funniest thing.
Come, I know you are a MS fan, but are you being serious?
#41
Posted 18 August 2009 - 20:23
would be oh so sweet if luca could win a race
#42
Posted 18 August 2009 - 21:09
Makes me wonder what his mindset is right now. Is he ******* himself with nerves or what. To be handed an opportunity like this after not racing for 10 years or whatever, wow ...
#43
Posted 18 August 2009 - 21:33
#44
Posted 18 August 2009 - 21:55
technically he's a consultant, in real terms he's just paid to associate his name/image with the Ferrari sponsorsI always wanted to start a thread entitled "Schumacher: What exactly does he do now at Ferrari?" It's never been clear. Couldn't be bothered though.
and if you ask kimi fans he also fits kimi's car with rain tyres when it's dry
PS Badoer has it relatively easy IMO. Most people thing that him being a few tenths off kimi is a good result and if you look at testing times he's not a slouch, he does pretty respectable laptimes and he has a shitload of mileage (ok in older F1 cars). So I think there's just upside for him
#46
Posted 19 August 2009 - 08:54
Thank you. It seems to me Badoer is going quite fast there. I wonder if the lessons have started yet?Video about Badoer test
http://f1center.hu/i...p?m=news&az=273
To those making fun of my posts: I sense a nervous tone in your laughter. If you have any proof that Schumi can not help Badoer beat Kimi, bring it forth. Don't let your affection for Kimi cloud your judgement.
Edited by Schumacher Forever, 19 August 2009 - 09:30.
#47
Posted 19 August 2009 - 09:02
#48
Posted 19 August 2009 - 09:09
Thank you. It seems to me Badoer is going quite fast there. I wonder if the lessons have started yet?
To those who make fun of my posts: I sense a nervous tone in your laughter. If you have any proof that Schumi can not help Badoer beat Kimi, bring it forth. Don't let you affection for Kimi cloud your judgement.
So its OK for Badoer to go around at racing speed then ? I think this is disgusting, not that he is allowed to test because it only makes sense but that we saw yet another witch hunt against Michael Schumacher. There would've been worldwide uproar if that had been Michael 'promotionally demonstrating' the car.
It is obvious that is nothing less than a familiarisation test session, Michael will have been ripped apart if he'd have done that.
#49
Posted 19 August 2009 - 09:16
#50
Posted 19 August 2009 - 09:17
So its OK for Badoer to go around at racing speed then ? I think this is disgusting, not that he is allowed to test because it only makes sense but that we saw yet another witch hunt against Michael Schumacher. There would've been worldwide uproar if that had been Michael 'promotionally demonstrating' the car.
It is obvious that is nothing less than a familiarisation test session, Michael will have been ripped apart if he'd have done that.
Promo runs are run on ultra-hard demo tyres, he's not actually on or anywhere near racing speeds :S