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[Craven Morehead]

Darn right. The only way an experienced driver can do worse than Alonso did in 07 is to get beaten even worse by a rookie teammate.

Error-free string of races (by LH)? Dude, I suggest you watch those races again. LH was far from error-free, but he still beat Alonso. Get over it already. I would NEVER continue to support KR or any other driver I like (such as NR, SV) if they got beaten by a rookie teammate like FA did. As far as I'm concerned, there shouldn't be a single FA fan in the world anymore, unless you care more about "personality" and "marketability" and all that crap rather than driving.

All this ignoring FA getting beaten by JT back in 2004. The writing was all over the wall already back then. 2007 was simply a wake up call for those who are slow to catch up. I wonder what will it take?

What a pathetically transparent rant this is. You're so obviously still hurting from the fact that your personal fave got ousted to make way for Fred. How galling it must be for you that they would dump that superman KR for that **** driver Alonso. Btw Fred hardly got 'beat' at all in '07, they both finished with the same amount of points ffs. It could have easily gone the other way. The only place that this could be considered the kind of drubbing you're now trying to sell us, is in fanboy man-crush fantasy land. Anybody with the least bit of objectivity could see that Fred vs Lewis was the best intra team rivalry we've seen in F1 in years. Two brilliant drivers operating at a very high level & going at it hammer and tongs, no holds barred. But you're so blinded by your fanboy crush that you missed that obvious point, because you were too busy hating Alonso. How sadly pointless is that?

So after this rant of yours, maybe you can explain to everyone how Kimi can possibly be so great if he only just barely beat that wanker Alonso and that lame-ass rookie Hamilton by a single point that season? He almost lost to a rookie, and would have, if not for some remarkable luck really; what an absolute **** driver he must be. And to make things even worse, the very next season he got his ass absolutely handed to him not only by that incompetent beginner Lewis, but also by Massa (who you are on record as 'not rating'). Geez, how can anybody in the world remain a fan of Kimi after that? I wonder what kind of excuses you'll be posting here next year when Lewis runs Kimi damn hard (if they indeed do wind up together) at McLaren? How will you ever be able to wear your Kimi Raikkonen monogrammed underpants again? I'm sure you'll find a way to rationalize it.

For the record, I am supporter of Kimi R (all the great drivers actually) , but I felt this point had to be made. The crap posted on here by the fanboy brigade reminds me teenage girls wetting their pants at the sight of Bobby Sherman (yes I am that old).

[SpaMaster]

Getting whipped by massa maybe.

Would you rather lose to Trulli?

[The Truth]

Would you rather lose to Trulli?

If it was because of DNF's then yes.

[Johnrambo]

Btw Fred hardly got 'beat' at all in '07, they both finished with the same amount of points ffs. It could have easily gone the other way.

Alonso got beaten by a ROOKIE. That's a fact. He got hammered considering Hamilton was a novice. Deal with it.

Supporter of Kimi R (all the great drivers actually) , but I felt this point had to be made. The crap posted on here by the fanboy brigade reminds me teenage girls wetting their pants at the sight of Bobby Sherman (yes I am that old).

The amount of **** coming from the mouths of people reaches the highest level when they claim to be fans of some driver while bashing them at the same time. I must admit that when you have the guts to talk about fanboys when you are the worst fanboy yourself is pretty amazing.

[meat]

Married and not just girlfriend? Definately Kimi. Jenni is a former Miss Scandinavia or something.
Here Kimi has been speeding. My life sux

45 million euros Santander money in a pocket and a girl like that It sure sucks to be Kimi.

By the way. Just figured out how to use ignore list,so cool,don´t have to worrie about certain trolls anymore

Edited by meat, 10 October 2009 - 07:59.

[SpaMaster]

If it was because of DNF's then yes.

The What?

[kong]

Kimi and his friends were very much drunk on Thursday in Tampere. Kimi ordered 100 White Russians and 50 Bacardi Colas for his "team".

Those White Russians, male or female?

[dts9624]

wtf? A fanboy mancrush? Wait, I feel it coming over me...

Oh Fernando, for sure don't you look at me with those piercing eyes of yours...ooh (man-crush)
Oh Kimi, is that a rock hard stick of ice you got there or are you just happy to see me (man-crush)
Oh Felipe, for sure is that real titanium on your skull? For sure, It's so smooth and silky! (man-crush)

Oh yeah, let's all remember to act surprised if they eventually announce the McLaren deal, or let's all remember to
post numerous posts saying "I told you so!", no matter what happens.

[grunge]

Agree on that score, though as a McLaren fan I may be a mite clouded in my judgement. But I've always felt that this image of McLaren (as something of a Corporate-Robotic-Sterile atmosphere) a bit over the top and far from the reality.

..completely agree

[sir jackie walker]

Those White Russians, male or female?

2cl Vodka
2cl Coffee Liqueur
Milk
Ice

[The Truth]

Alonso got beaten by a ROOKIE. That's a fact. He got hammered considering Hamilton was a novice. Deal with it.

How is finishing on equal points and wins a hammering? Ill give you an example of a real hammering. Massa vs Kimi 2008. Now that was a real hammering. I hope you understand now.

[Craven Morehead]

Alonso got beaten by a ROOKIE. That's a fact. He got hammered considering Hamilton was a novice. Deal with it.



The amount of **** coming from the mouths of people reaches the highest level when they claim to be fans of some driver while bashing them at the same time. I must admit that when you have the guts to talk about fanboys when you are the worst fanboy yourself is pretty amazing.

You missed my point entirely. I was not slagging Raikonnen. I was merely showing how rediculous the post I quoted was. If Alonso is so ****'bad, then Raik must really be the bottom of the barrel for Ferrari to drop him to make way for Fred right? Of course not, that;'s the whole point. They're both top drawer. But some fanboys are unable to see that.

Btw, tied on points is only 'hammered' in dream land. Anybody with any objectivity whatsoever can see that really it couldn't have been any closer. And so what if he lost to Lewis, I don't give a ****, Hamilton is one helluva driver.

[ForeverF1]

You missed my point entirely. I was not slagging Raikonnen. I was merely showing how rediculous the post I quoted was. If Alonso is so shit'bad, then Raik must really be the bottom of the barrel for Ferrari to drop him to make way for Fred right? Of course not, that;'s the whole point. They're both top drawer. But some fanboys are unable to see that.

Btw, tied on points is only 'hammered' in dream land. Anybody with any objectivity whatsoever can see that really it couldn't have been any closer. And so what if he lost to Lewis, I don't give a shit, Hamilton is one helluva driver.

Do I detect a double diffuser in that post?

[Craven Morehead]

Do I detect a double diffuser in that post?

Not at all. I guess I wasn't clear enough in my original rant. I was trying to point out how rediculous it is to slag one top driver, while simultaneously slavishly worshipping another. And how lame the arguments presented were. I was not actually knocking Kimi, but just pointing out all the holes in that line of thinking. But I think that may have been missed by some members.

[Sakae]

There is a lot writen about Kimi's move, but on a serious note, which lead looks strongest? I can't figure this guy out, but I would not be suprised if he leaves F1, unless he is totally happy with the offer on the table.

From front teams some possibilites are a Renault seat, or could be Kovi's job? I can't see him going to Toyota. RB's seat is probably promised to Ross.

Edited by MiPe, 10 October 2009 - 09:11.

[ForeverF1]

Not at all. I guess I wasn't clear enough in my original rant. I was trying to point out how rediculous it is to slag one top driver, while simultaneously slavishly worshipping another. And how lame the arguments presented were. I was not actually knocking Kimi, but just pointing out all the holes in that line of thinking. But I think that may have been missed by some members.

Yes, I fully understand that mate.

Mine was a play on the word 'diffuser', as you know, it has more meanings than the bit that it tacked onto the arse end of a car.

[OSX]

Yeah. We're slowly but surely getting there and we can expect Kimi to McLaren in the next week or two. Interesting that McLaren are well disposed to the idea of Kimi driving three WRC Rallies per year; that's really extraordinary, considering that WRC is far tougher, more dangerous and Kimi is still a novice.

Agree on Kimi's return to McLaren but what comes to the amount of rallies and such I think we have to wait and see.

[kong]

There is a lot writen about Kimi's move, but on a serious note, which lead looks strongest? I can't figure this guy out, but I would not be suprised if he leaves F1, unless he is totally happy with the offer on the table.

I am almost sure of the same thing. He either gets what he really wants to be happy or gets out.
Which means a very good car, honest treatment, time to do the other things he wants and some money.

[Craven Morehead]

Yes, I fully understand that mate.

Mine was a play on the word 'diffuser', as you know, it has more meanings than the bit that it tacked onto the arse end of a car.

indeed. well done

[undersquare]

There is a lot writen about Kimi's move, but on a serious note, which lead looks strongest? I can't figure this guy out, but I would not be suprised if he leaves F1, unless he is totally happy with the offer on the table.

From front teams some possibilites are a Renault seat, or could be Kovi's job? I can't see him going to Toyota. RB's seat is probably promised to Ross.

One of the things we most like about Kimi, I think, is that he is someone so independent that he might just walk away. Interesting really that one the one hand he is so shy and private, yet on the other his character makes such a strong impression.

I hadn't read Sauber's quote before about him being so certain inside that he's faster than anyone else. That says to me he'll pit himself against Lewis .

[Arion]

There is a lot writen about Kimi's move, but on a serious note, which lead looks strongest? I can't figure this guy out, but I would not be suprised if he leaves F1, unless he is totally happy with the offer on the table.

If that's the case, he doesn't seem very motivated. If the car is fast, the money is good, no silly PR duties, and some rallying, then he will think about it. If not, he'll go rallying. I think McLaren should just offer him a magum for points contract to keep him motivated.

[Craven Morehead]

One of the things we most like about Kimi, I think, is that he is someone so independent that he might just walk away. Interesting really that one the one hand he is so shy and private, yet on the other his character makes such a strong impression.

That's a great point. Yeah he's really enigmatic isn't he? I think he's a very strong character. Funny enoguh, I bet after he's retired, people will be going on about how there's no real characters anymore..like KR was.


Fingers crossed he goes for the McLaren seat. That could be brilliant.

[grunge]

That's a great point. Yeah he's really enigmatic isn't he? I think he's a very strong character. Funny enoguh, I bet after he's retired, people will be going on about how there's no real characters anymore..like KR was.


Fingers crossed he goes for the McLaren seat. That could be brilliant.

i think there are many things aside from F1 that he enjoys very much..his family,friends,the rest of his life back in finland..

id have no qualms in accepting he maynot be as committed to f1 as an MS was.people like MS devoted everything they had to F1.there whole lives were engrossed with nothing but succeeding .i dont think kimi can ever be that way...

[saunarobot]

Seems Kimi is now just letting some steam off after he lost his seat at Ferrari. In the beginning of the season he looked really focused, slim and fit, now he seems to have let himself go a bit I think. Doesn't seem to have affected his driving. I'm sure next year at Mac we will see the focused and fit Kimi again.

[The Truth]

I dont expect Kimi to look much better than Heikki. 2010 will be his final year in the sport.

[kong]

I dont expect Kimi to look much better than Heikki. 2010 will be his final year in the sport.

Sure. 2010 final year for Kimi or Heikki or both?
The end of the world comes first 2012 as You surely also know so 2012 is the final year for all the other drivers. That's why Santander bought Alonso only 3 Ferrari-years.
Since You seem to have inside information, direct from Bernie perhaps, which cars are they going to drive 2010 and are they allowed to win too?

Edited by kong, 10 October 2009 - 11:36.

[Anssi]

Kimi and his friends were very much<snip>

Just to let other people know, it was a trash tabloid - GARBAGE - which published that story.

It's known that the ex ski jumper in the story gets paid regularly by the tabloid so they can have good stories every once in a while... I am not saying the story isn't true, I mean how could I know, but I am letting you know the publication is trash, garbage, and anything they publish is not to be taken seriously. You really need some other original sources for the story than that rag or that ex ski jumper.

Edited by Anssi, 10 October 2009 - 11:38.

[katmen]

2cl Vodka
2cl Coffee Liqueur
Milk
Ice

thanks m8

[PolarF1]

I dont expect Kimi to look much better than Heikki. 2010 will be his final year in the sport.

He'll definitely look better than Alonso did! Be sure about it!

Edited by PolarF1, 10 October 2009 - 12:15.

[metz]

So, we can expect him to be even on points with Hamilton? Let's see.

[kong]

Just to let other people know, it was a trash tabloid - GARBAGE - which published that story.

Right, do not believe the story.
If this ski-jumper was this Finnish 4-times Olympic Champion so I do not believe the story at all.
Only 50 BacardiColas? Maybe they forgot to write "to start with"?

[Colombo]

Sigh. Vrba, just think of it this way: Kimi won the WDC on his first try with Ferrari, Micheal didn't. Now that that thought has been implanted in your mind, you will not be able to sleep again. Ever. Sorry, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Try to take a look it the more realistic way: despite driving a dominant car (and that goes for Massa too, whose 2007 season was even worse), Räikkönen had to be gifted the WDC after obvious, albeit yet unproven manipulations at the end of the year and with a strong help from his teammate. The very next year, with even better car but with the teammate who came of age and with no manipulations, Räikkönen managed 2 meagre victories and tied on points with a BMW driver ( ), as poor a performance by any WDC in the defending year as possible.

And if you really think that it is possible to compare the 1996 Ferrari team and car with the 2007 Ferrari team and car, then you are an idiot (and I mean it as a diagnosis, not as an insult). Honestly

GC

Edited by Colombo, 10 October 2009 - 12:29.

[Colombo]

I got a better one that Im sure you will like.

Kimi got beaten by Felipe Massa and sacked for Fernando Alonso. Enjoy your sleep.

And that is the whole truth.

GC

[PolarF1]

Try to take a look it the more realistic way: despite driving a dominant car (and that goes for Massa too, whose 2007 season was even worse), Räikkönen had to be gifted the WDC after obvious, albeit yet unproven manipulations at the end of the year and with a strong help from his teammate. The very next year, with even better car but with the teammate who came of age and with no manipulations, Räikkönen managed 2 meagre victories and tied on points with a BMW driver ( ), as poor a performance by any WDC in the defending year as possible.

And if you really think that it is possible to compare the 1996 Ferrari team and car with the 2007 Ferrari team and car, then you are an idiot. Honestly

GC

Wow, Kimis title is a really big pain for you, is it because you feel Kimi pushed aside your hero Michael?
Ferrari F2007 wasn't dominant at all, but Ferrari's of Schumi era were, so get your facts strait!!!

Edited by PolarF1, 10 October 2009 - 13:11.

[Colombo]

Wow, Kimis title is a really big pain for you, is it because you feel Kimi pushed aside your hero Michael?
Ferrari F2008 wasn't dominant at all, but Ferrari's of Schumi era were, so get your facts strait!!!

Had it been driven by good enough drivers, the F2007 and F2008 would score as big as F2001, if not quite as F2002 or F2004.
And yes, I admit that Räikkönen's title is a big pain for me but not because he "pushed aside Michael" but because it was not won but gifted.

GC

Edited by Colombo, 10 October 2009 - 12:45.

[Hairpin]

I am amazed that people like Colombo and The Truth are allowed to continue to post on this board. They just repeat the same mantra and pisses everybody off, creating a general bad atmosphere were any kind of serious, or not so serious, discussion can exist. This is the first forum I've been at that seem to be completely without humor. There is only facts, rumors and "fanboys" (God I hate that word) making so much noise that any subtle attempt to make sense, or comedy, is drowned immediately .

[Yellowmc]

Just ignore it, this thread has gone on for far too long and has been derailed on more than one occasion.

As others have stated, I feel the contract has been signed by both parties and will only be reveealed once the season is over. McLaren need Heikki to perform to secure 3rd in the WCC.

I still think Kimi could "help" McLaren by doing the opposite but credit to him, he's still putting in a shift in an attempt to help Ferrari.

[Hairpin]

Just ignore it, this thread has gone on for far too long and has been derailed on more than one occasion.

I do ignore them, but the buzz will not disappear until everyone have them on the ignore list

[Odvan]

McLaren need Heikki to perform to secure 3rd in the WCC.

You really think Heiki doesn't know anything? And right after Abu Dhabi they will say 'you are fired'?

I understand it's wishful thinking but sometimes we can use simple logic.

Edited by Odvan, 10 October 2009 - 12:59.

[kong]

Try to take a look it the more realistic way: despite driving a dominant car (and that goes for Massa too, whose 2007 season was even worse), Räikkönen had to be gifted the WDC after obvious, albeit yet unproven manipulations at the end of the year and with a strong help from his teammate. The very next year, with even better car but with the teammate who came of age and with no manipulations, Räikkönen managed 2 meagre victories and tied on points with a BMW driver ( ), as poor a performance by any WDC in the defending year as possible.

And if you really think that it is possible to compare the 1996 Ferrari team and car with the 2007 Ferrari team and car, then you are an idiot. Honestly

GC

Right, ofcourse. Sure.

So as I understand Your complete F1 history for 2007 and 2008:
-Raikkonen and Massa both had a dominant car though Massas 2007 season was even worse?
-Because of that Raikkonen had to be gifted the WDC after all kinds of obvious but yet unproven manipulations, including strong help from Massa who had an even worse season because of manipulations.
-Next year the car was still more dominant but Massa had become ripe with no manipulations. Raikkonen won two meagre races.

So that's all, folks.

[pUs]

Try to take a look it the more realistic way: despite driving a dominant car (and that goes for Massa too, whose 2007 season was even worse), Räikkönen had to be gifted the WDC after obvious, albeit yet unproven manipulations at the end of the year and with a strong help from his teammate. The very next year, with even better car but with the teammate who came of age and with no manipulations, Räikkönen managed 2 meagre victories and tied on points with a BMW driver ( ), as poor a performance by any WDC in the defending year as possible.

And if you really think that it is possible to compare the 1996 Ferrari team and car with the 2007 Ferrari team and car, then you are an idiot (and I mean it as a diagnosis, not as an insult). Honestly

GC

Unproven, you're correct for once. So why don't you spare us the rest of your nonsense? Feel fre to get back on that conspiration once you've proved what you're saying.

Edited by pUs, 10 October 2009 - 13:10.

[kong]

I am amazed that people like Colombo and The Truth are allowed to continue to post on this board. They just repeat the same mantra and pisses everybody off, creating a general bad atmosphere were any kind of serious, or not so serious, discussion can exist. This is the first forum I've been at that seem to be completely without humor. There is only facts, rumors and "fanboys" (God I hate that word) making so much noise that any subtle attempt to make sense, or comedy, is drowned immediately .

Think if they really are sick.
Read the stories and think!
And this is not a joke.

[Arctic_Banana]

I am amazed that people like Colombo and The Truth are allowed to continue to post on this board. They just repeat the same mantra and pisses everybody off, creating a general bad atmosphere were any kind of serious, or not so serious, discussion can exist. This is the first forum I've been at that seem to be completely without humor. There is only facts, rumors and "fanboys" (God I hate that word) making so much noise that any subtle attempt to make sense, or comedy, is drowned immediately .

+1000

[The Truth]

I am amazed that people like Colombo and The Truth are allowed to continue to post on this board. They just repeat the same mantra and pisses everybody off, creating a general bad atmosphere were any kind of serious, or not so serious, discussion can exist. This is the first forum I've been at that seem to be completely without humor. There is only facts, rumors and "fanboys" (God I hate that word) making so much noise that any subtle attempt to make sense, or comedy, is drowned immediately .

I feel the same way about many kimi fanboys, didnt u read hsj's post? Me and Columbo or anyone else on this this cannot touch that.

[Tomerell]

I feel the same way about many kimi fanboys, didnt u read hsj's post? Me and Columbo or anyone else on this this cannot touch that.

You mean me myself and I...

[Colombo]

You mean me myself and I...

For the umpteenth time: ask the BB admins for the source IP addresses to see whether we are the same person or not.

GC

[Bumper]

With this thread having become a playground for abuse, (reacting to) trolls and generally having gone off-topic far too often, this thread has now run its course and will be closed.

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