Bandini/Devin. There were a few at the Monterey Weekend including
two at the ultra exclusive (and snobby) Quail show. What is the general
opinion??
My Devin page:
http://ferrariexpert.....g bandini.htm
My Devin video from Laguna Seca:
Cliff Reuter

Posted 29 August 2009 - 01:51
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Posted 29 August 2009 - 14:08
Posted 29 August 2009 - 14:23
A quick reply as to what my opinion is --- the Devin body was sensational and had a great impact on 50s US racing. Bill Devin provided a cheap, practical, versatile body modeled on a Ferrari Monza IIRC that was used by dozens upon dozens of specials builders to cloak their handiwork. They looked good and did the job. Indeed, Bill Devin probably was given too Little credit for what he accomplished and for what his place should be in the pantheon of US race car designers, etc.
That is just his bodies. Not to mention the Devin SS, Devin D, Devin C, etc.
I imagine Cliff can offer quite a bit more!
Tom
Posted 29 August 2009 - 14:33
Posted 29 August 2009 - 17:01
Well said!Among other things Bill Devin took the best classic Italian styling of the day and made it available for $295 to anyone who thought they wanted to build their own car. If enough time, care, and attention was paid the cars can be beautiful.
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Posted 29 August 2009 - 23:49
As a minimum I feel you should keep the basics the same. I appreciate that given the varied engines, chassis and running gear that were used, originality or authenticity doesn't quite mean the same as it would for a Ferrari, Maserati or production sports car, like an MG or Triumph TR. But, if you change it too much you may have a nicer or more competitive car but it won't be a true Devin, it will simply be a 2009-vintage hot rod using a Devin body. But, having said that, anything you do to bring the car back into public view must be commended.A new Devin thread has made me find my TNF password again and log in after years of lurking silently.
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My Devin project car is shown near the bottom of the Devin Specials page on Cliff's site. I am happy to say that I have a plan and am looking forward to bringing my Devin to my home in a few months after 13 years sitting in a barn on my sister's farm. I guess it doesn't qualify as "a barn find" if I'm the one who put it there. My plan is to bring the car home for clean up and evaluation and maybe start the tinkering/restoration process at least over the winter. I have to swap another car and trailer down to the farm to make a hole in my garage to put the Devin into.
My Devin is a kit car "special" built on an early '50s Mopar ladder frame with a 327 Chevy V8 conected to a 3 speed manual transmission. It was originally built as a drag acing car at a time when there was a popular sports car drag race class. It has a technical inspection dash plaque from Bakersfield, CA dated 1964 but I have no other drag history. The car could not have been used much or very successful with suppositions that it was built too late for the class on too small a budget. It is titled from Texas in 1967 as a street car and I have only two era b/w photos of it. It is a true special though as it is certainly an amalgamation of assorted parts. Whereas Cliff's Bandini-Devin was a Euro-bred nimble sports car, mine is more a mongrel or the proverbial junk yard dog. It is one of the last and biggest kit bodies made, specifically wider and deeper for a V8 powertrain. Not as pretty in body lines as earlier and smaller Devins once stretched out for the big frame and engine but it is what it is. I had the pleasure to speak with Bill Devin on the phone not long before he passed and he confirmed that it was late in the Devin body runs and not many were made like this although no actual body count records were kept.
One of the things that I am interested in getting advice on from this group is how far to go and what changes to make during it's return to running status. I know it is opening a can of worms betwen the purists, the realists, and those who simply want a nice car to drive on sunny days. The leaf sprung live axle and four corner drum brakes would not be as nice a driving road car as coil spring, IRS, disc brakes, etc. I've known this car for 35 years (I was 10 years old) and owned it for nearly 15 so I have thought over so many variations, permutations, etc. that I don't really know what to do with it other than make it a runner and driver. Step #1 is get it home, cleaned and evaluated so that hopefully will happen before long.
Over two decades, I have built a decent pile of old Devin articles, ad, clipping and books and would be happy to share it or add to it if anyone has interest. I also have received a large file of letters and promotional items on other late '50s-early '60s kits cars and sports cars like Bocar, Buckler, Ashley, Microplas, Autodynamics, Quantum, and others that I would be happy to share. I would think this could be some rare and interesting info for someone who owns one of these cars. Not for sale but free for copies, scans, etc. Some cars like the Bocar and Ashley there is quite a bit of info on including personal letters to my father from the factory or sales teams.
Of course I am biased but I do think Bill Devin and his cars have a place in sporty car history in a time when the shade tree mechanic and wannabe engineer with a dream could make something fast, fun and quite pretty on a budget. The SS cars are real machines, real performance, and are now of real value. The kit bodies gave a second life to some interesting racing and street cars that were damaged or discarded and brought back to the road again.
Posted 30 August 2009 - 00:57
Among other things Bill Devin took the best classic Italian styling of the day and made it available for $295 to anyone who thought they wanted to build their own car. If enough time, care, and attention was paid the cars can be beautiful.
Posted 30 August 2009 - 03:02
Originally posted by CRX Lee
A new Devin thread has made me find my TNF password again and log in after years of lurking silently.....
.....One of the things that I am interested in getting advice on from this group is how far to go and what changes to make during it's return to running status. I know it is opening a can of worms between the purists, the realists, and those who simply want a nice car to drive on sunny days.....
....The leaf sprung live axle and four corner drum brakes would not be as nice a driving road car as coil spring, IRS, disc brakes, etc. I've known this car for 35 years (I was 10 years old) and owned it for nearly 15 so I have thought over so many variations, permutations, etc. that I don't really know what to do with it other than make it a runner and driver.....
.....Step #1 is get it home, cleaned and evaluated so that hopefully will happen before long.....
.....The kit bodies gave a second life to some interesting racing and street cars that were damaged or discarded and brought back to the road again.
Posted 30 August 2009 - 21:36
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Keeping things original as long as it remains realistic would be the way I'd suggest you go...
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Precisely the reason to keep it close to as it was built!
Edited by Tom Glowacki, 31 August 2009 - 00:05.
Posted 30 August 2009 - 22:01
Posted 31 August 2009 - 00:01
Because nobody ever stops there! It always gets a BIGGER engine, disc brakes, FAT tires....
Build it as it would have been and you have a period special. Build using modern technology and you have nothing....
Well, that's my opinion--yours may be wrong!
Edited by Tom Glowacki, 31 August 2009 - 00:04.
Posted 31 August 2009 - 02:12
I have been researching Bill Devin and his cars since we bought our
Bandini/Devin. There were a few at the Monterey Weekend including
two at the ultra exclusive (and snobby) Quail show. What is the general
opinion??
Posted 01 September 2009 - 03:53
Edited by CRX Lee, 01 September 2009 - 03:55.
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Thanks for the input to all. I have thought about the restoration of my Devin on and off for about 35 years. Since the car is by definition a kit car special and this chassis in specific is particularly non-noteworthy to anyone who does not own it, I don't fell exactly held to restore it to an exacting specification of what it once was. It isn't a factory car of known spec., it isn't Ol' Yaller (although it was yellow), and it for sure isn't a Devin SS. On the otherhand, I have no intention of making big changes to go away very far from the early '60s kit car that it was. I will for certain retain the original 327 Chevy engine built to a reasonably accurate era spec. although I might like to move up from the steel 2 bbl intake manifold and Carter carb to something higher performance of the era (4bbl, 3 deuces, etc.). I work for a well known suspension company and spend a good bit of my day helping people improve the handling of their cars so sticking with the hacky multi-leaf spring and live axle rear suspension will be hard for me. Since the tech sticker on the dash confirms that the car was running, living and breathing in 1964 (also the year of my birth), my plan would be not to allow the use of any parts or designs that would post date 1964. By '64 things like IRS and disc brakes were commonplace so I won't be terribly hampered either by retrotech. For 35 years I have envisioned it sitting on some nice black spoked American Racing Torq-Thrust wheels with a reasonable rubber size and not the 14 inch front and 15 inch rear painted steel wheels and bias ply skinny tires that it came with. I would switch it to a 4 speed transmission instead of the 3 speed for basic drivability. I would want to put a tasteful fuel cell or safe fuel tank into it. I will paint it yellow again similar to what it was originally but might make the shade a bit more pleasing than it is now (there was a beautiful Ferrari yellow of the day). I would also keep the steel wheels, the 3 speed, and any other parts that I take off in case I or a future owner wanted to take it back strictly to its roots.
At this point, I don't know what I'll do or how far I will go with it. First thing will be to evaluate it and see what it offers. I know that modification is a slippery slope and don't want to wander too far but also would like the possibility of allowing it to be what it could have been and not solely hold exactly what it was. I do want to make it streetable and not make it vintage racer most likely. Most sanctioning bodies would turn their nose up at it I would expect because it's very minor and essentially non-documented motorsports history is as a short time drag car with unknown and low expectation results. I want to be true to the car within reason but also true enough that it can be a running, enjoyable car as well. Again, I respect and appreciate the many opinions that cross the gamut of possibilities. Where exactly I will end up as the journy is just beginning and the exact path has yet to be revealed.
Posted 03 September 2009 - 03:26
That is a beautiful car Gregory. I'll admit it doesn't look the most Devin-ish to me but it may be because it is an early model or other owners may have tweaked it somewhat. It is really pretty though. Does that horizontal fan set-up flip belts off? That looks almost the exact system as was used on a Corvair and we'd throw belts off all day long when I raced one. We'd try all kind of grease to make then slide and not grip. The killer was the two 90 degree bends when the belt changed from vertical to horizontal. A quick power blip would throw and S shaped wave in the belt and it would flip off. Even with all the fixes we could think of, I still carried in the glovebox a spare belt and ratchet and socket needed to make a change trackside. I got too good at it unfortunately. I liked Corvairs well enough for street and racing that if a Devin C showed up for the right deal, I'd have a hard time turning it down.
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Posted 27 October 2009 - 23:47
I just placed my order, thank you!Maybe it is not new to most:
Devin the Man and his Cars by Art Evans ,just published for 19.95$
Posted 27 October 2009 - 23:58
Well, I have just learned that I have been mistaken for the last 20 years. The body I have is not a Devin but a very similar design called a Byers. You just can't count on anything anymore.
Posted 28 October 2009 - 00:23
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Edited by RShaw, 28 October 2009 - 01:34.
Posted 28 October 2009 - 05:15
How did you hear that this body was a Byers and not a Devin? Sure looks extremely Devin to me. The long tail light selection on your car is very interesting also as the kit bodies came without them and were added by each assembler. Mine is a very ugly rectangle that needs to be changed unfortunately.
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