33 replies to this topic

[John-w]

Hello,

at the moment is a Lotus 49B model (Jochen Rindt, Spain 1969, Chassis R9) in scale 1/20th on my workbench, now I have a question:
What correct color had the bulkhead, grey or chrome/silver/polished?





Thanks for your help

John-w

[Tony Matthews]

I reckon grey. I think that was the factory finish.

[Michael Oliver]

I reckon grey. I think that was the factory finish.

I would agree with Tony, the standard factory finish was the grey. I recently had access to 49/12, the Ford show car, which is in pretty original condition and all the interior cockpit panels and the bulkhead are painted grey.

Michael

[Doug Nye]

Graphite grey I believe. When I had R3 I recall the visible face of its rear bulkhead as being unpainted but that car - as the last of the green-and-yellow - was never in GLTL livery. Wonderful looking model, by the way. All metal?

DCN

Edited by Doug Nye, 31 August 2009 - 13:49.

[Arjan de Roos]

New kit from Japanese maker Model Factory Hiro.

[John-w]

Wonderful looking model, by the way. All metal?

Hello,

the Lotus 49B is a multi-material kit (rubber, metall, resin), here are some photos.









I will post some photos from the built model, thanks for your help.

John-w

[f1steveuk]

Looks a fantastic model, hopefully we'll see pictures of the finished article?

There were a fair few tapes in the film library at Formula One Management that I logged (I tended to do the historic footage) and there were at least five Lotus/Ford tapes, some rushes from "DFV" film (Nine Days in Summer?) and well as internal training films etc. I recall some construction shots of the 49, and remember any unpainted surfaces of the monocoque were grey, one coat of acid etch, one coat of grey, as seen on ali' aircraft of the time. Not gloss, but by no means matt, but definitely grey!

[Tony Matthews]

Not gloss, but by no means matt, but definitely grey!

At the risk of arousing you, the word is 'satin'!

[f1steveuk]

At the risk of arousing you, the word is 'satin'!

I was going to say satin, but it seemed to have more of a shine, though that could have been the filming lights, but I'm sure anyone whose worked on jets aircraft will know the grey I'm talking about. Acid etch always seems to be green!

[tom58long]

New kit from Japanese maker Model Factory Hiro.

yes, and as always: they are not going to do this single car.....all other 49/49B´s are (soon) to follow. so you´re not working for a living - just working for modelling :-)

[colinsays]

Hi John:
I hope this Spanish site is useful
http://driverphoto.f...rmula-1-t15.htm
Some very nice pics there fom Montjuiich´69

[Tony Matthews]

I was going to say satin, but it seemed to have more of a shine, though that could have been the filming lights, but I'm sure anyone whose worked on jets aircraft will know the grey I'm talking about. Acid etch always seems to be green!

The description of paint finishes is a minefield! High-gloss, gloss, sheen, satin, eggshell, semi-matt, matt, ultra-matt, I could go on - but not much further. One man's satin is another man's eggshell. There is an additive that will change the finish of your paint from matt up to gloss, but you have to use trial-and-error (much like life in general) to find the right mix.

Chromium dioxide. Is that the green finish you see in wheel-wells and hatches of aircraft? Something like that... Cadmium? I should Google it!

[John-w]

Hello,

I have a new question for the Lotus 49B specialist's. What is this for a cable or wire from the top of the rear wing to the cockpit?



Was this cable used to adjust the wing during the practice/race?

Here are 2 actual model photos from the front suspension and the chassis.







"colinsays"
thanks for this super link to the Spanish forum.

Thanks all for your help.

John-w

[John-w]

Hello,

here some actual model photos.









Thanks for looking

John-w

[ChrisJson]

Wonderful model John!!

Just one small detail.
For the Spanish GP you should replace
the Shell sticker on the nose with a STP badge.

I stand corrected

Edited by ChrisJson, 20 September 2009 - 09:48.

[Slurp1955]

Actually, the model is correct, as long as there is a STP logo on the right-hand side of the nose-cone

[John-w]

Hello,

it is a little curios, but on the left side is Shell and on the right side is STP.



John-w

[macoran]

Hello,

I have a new question for the Lotus 49B specialist's. What is this for a cable or wire from the top of the rear wing to the cockpit?



Was this cable used to adjust the wing during the practice/race?
John-w

I think, but don't remember it very well. that I read something about a separate pedal which operated the the wing.
flattening it out for the straights. But I am not sure at all.

[John-w]

Hello,

here are some photos from my finished Lotus 49B (R9), Jochen Rindt Spanish GP 1969.













Thanks for all the help in this forum.

John-w

Edited by John-w, 03 October 2009 - 13:49.

[mfd]

Thanks for all the help in this forum. John-w

John, I'm sure the Shell Oils logo on the fuel funnel wasn't introduced until the late 1970's...

[macoran]

Hello,

here are some photos from my finished Lotus 49B (R9), Jochen Rindt Spanish GP 1969.




Thanks for all the help in this forum.

John-w

What is that red thing on the front wheel ?

[John-w]

What is that red thing on the front wheel ?

This is a tool to open/close the wheelnut, I have seen it in Michael Oliver's Lotus 49 book.

John-w

[Manel Baró]

Congrats for this outstanding model and diorama. Just one comment: As far as I recall, the rear wing of car #2 was painted red with just a white stripe /band at both ends i.e.: no gold stripe

[John-w]

As far as I recall, the rear wing of car #2 was painted red with just a white stripe /band at both ends i.e.: no gold stripe

On these photos you can see the end of the wing is gold (sunday).




John-w

[Macca]

The colour photo in Mike Oliver's book appears to show that it was unpainted aluminium, the second extension having been made out of ali sheet overnight by Herbie Blash.

Paul M

[DOHC]

Oliver's book, though, on p. 146, mentions that the outward sections, which had been added overnight, were "bare aluminium," so perhaps it should be silver-coloured rather than gold.

Another special thing about that picture is the big trailing edge tabs on the front wings. I'm trying to work out whether they, too, were added obvernight. After all, this was the real wing craze...

Edit: Sorry Macca, had this page open while spending the better part of an hour or so reading Mike Oliver's enjoyable book.

Edited by DOHC, 06 October 2009 - 17:35.

[Manel Baró]

On these photos you can see the end of the wing is gold (sunday).
John-w

Sorry for disturbing you John. I rambled freely around the racing cars casual "paddok "just on saturday qualis, as usual on those happy times. Thank you for the images I didn't know.

[macoran]

I thought I just would post this here as well, in case some of you don't visit the cutaway thread

[Manel Baró]

I thought I just would post this here as well, in case some of you don't visit the cutaway thread

Thank you Macoran: I do share your admiration for the precise and atractive Betti work. BTW: the Lotus 49B # 2 of Jochen Rind and Ferrari 312 #15 of C. Amon at Montjuïc 1969, sported white paint exhaust pipes. It was a heat dissipation aid trial or just merely aesthetics ? Perhaps some reader can supply the reason for it. Thanks!

[LOLE]

Maybe a bit late but could this help you?

[fester82]

Chromium dioxide. Is that the green finish you see in wheel-wells and hatches of aircraft? Something like that... Cadmium? I should Google it!

Tony, the actual finish is Zinc Chromate and can very from yellow to green depending on how it is made with various additives. Here is link for more info:

Zinc Chromate

[Tony Matthews]

Tony, the actual finish is Zinc Chromate and can very from yellow to green depending on how it is made with various additives. Here is link for more info:

Yes, of course, thanks. I just couldn't recall, and in my usual fashion, posted without checking... When modelling (non-catwalk) I mixed up a slightly 'acid' pale yellow/green using matt Humbrol.

[asapiro]

that's rather nice!

I happen to have a 1/24th 49 R2 on my work bench - as it debuted in '67.
Long story - it's a part scratchbuild - sorry I don't have time to post any pix this week.
But - would you have any more resto shots like this one - very helpful!

thanks in advance......

Maybe a bit late but could this help you?

[DOHC]

Thank you Macoran: I do share your admiration for the precise and atractive Betti work. BTW: the Lotus 49B # 2 of Jochen Rind and Ferrari 312 #15 of C. Amon at Montjuïc 1969, sported white paint exhaust pipes. It was a heat dissipation aid trial or just merely aesthetics ? Perhaps some reader can supply the reason for it. Thanks!

It was Sperex VHT heat resistant paint. Mostly aesthetics but also heat protection and protection against corrosion. Read all the arguments in the enclosed ad!