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[Stephen W]

The pile of bin bags, is Goodwoods atempt at hiding the truck that carries the large screen. At least the truck at Lavants was hidden behind straw bales.

Why try to hide a modern truck when you have that monstrosity of a building behind it? Surely they would have been better using some camouflage netting to cover the building and the truck?

[Kvadrat]

Stirling Moss on Saturday.

In assembly area before the race:

[Kvadrat]

In the pits during the race:

[cpbell]

As someone whose knowledge is not great enough to recognise everyone and everything in the photos accompanying this thread (despite having attended the Revival in 2001, 2002 and 2005) and not being old enough to remember the period of racing being magnificently recreated there, I am grateful for captions and would not care to be pilloried for any unfortunate gap in my knowledge. Equally, however, I have no issue with regulars bantering about sartorial choices etc. To me it adds to the atmosphere of TNF by acting as a counterpoint to the fascinating and impressive detailed knowledge and discussions hereabouts which can at times benefit from a little "leavening".
I conclude by saying that I hope to attend next year and look forward to collecting my TNF badge on Friday at 1 pm!

[retriever]

"When it comes to historic festivals, the Goodwood Revival pees like a Karcher jet wash in the urination-up-the-wall-stakes"

Some of the copy on page 87 of today's Autosport - as presented by 'Revved Up' in his review of the ITV programme on the event.

Nice to know that the art of journalism is alive and well and thriving at Broom Road, Teddington!

[cpbell]

"When it comes to historic festivals, the Goodwood Revival pees like a Karcher jet wash in the urination-up-the-wall-stakes"

Some of the copy on page 87 of today's Autosport - as presented by 'Revved Up' in his review of the ITV programme on the event.

Nice to know that the art of journalism is alive and well and thriving at Broom Road, Teddington!

I saw that this morning and it at least gave me a chuckle - though I'm not sure whether I found it droll or pathetic.

[kayemod]

At least they used the word 'urination', slightly surprising when you think how far downmarket Autosport has been moved in the last few years.

[retriever]

At least they used the word 'urination', slightly surprising when you think how far downmarket Autosport has been moved in the last few years.

Well, I think it has reached basement level with that comment, it is just so awful.

[simon drabble]

sorry to sound stupid but is it saying it was good or bad? I agree its very sad when journo's try and copy Clarkson.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Clarkson neither invented nor cornered that market. I can understand why people may not have liked the tone of the line, but it was a positive euphamism. The rest of the piece seemed to pan the angle of the ITV coverage as not being enough about the cars or stars.

[simon drabble]

Clarkson neither invented nor cornered that market. I can understand why people may not have liked the tone of the line, but it was a positive euphamism. The rest of the piece seemed to pan the angle of the ITV coverage as not being enough about the cars or stars.

You are right but he did popularize it. Ithink the problem with the ITV programme is that whilst any programme is better than none it presents a pastiche of the meeting so its a series of soundbites. They are caught between the devil and the dark blue sea in so much as a detailed programme might suit a few thousand viewers but would be a turn off for the rest. View it as an extended advert for next year's event and therefore doing its bit for LM to sell the tickets.

[retriever]

Honestly, I do not care whose style it is in or the fact that it is an euphamism 'a substitution of an agreeable or less offensive expression in place of one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant to the listener' (wikipedia), it is just bad copy.

Edited by retriever, 16 October 2009 - 10:34.

[kayemod]

euphamism

Have you lot all got your spellcheckers switched off?

[Stephen W]

Have you lot all got your spellcheckers switched off?

Who uses spelchequer? Fly by the seat of your pints!

[Jack-the-Lad]

Honestly, I do not care whose style it is in or the fact that it is an euphamism 'a substitution of an agreeable or less offensive expression in place of one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant to the listener' (wikipedia), it is just bad copy.

...and a manifestation of the continuing coarsening of "popular culture", which now includes anything swallowed up and spewed out by the "media."

Jack

[retriever]

Have you lot all got your spellcheckers switched off?

No excuses for that howler - 'euphemism', my apologies. What makes it all the worse is the fact that I am a publisher!

Mind you, not as bad as the Telegraph reporting back in the days of the Vietnam War of carpet bombing by B25 jet bombers!











www.nynehead-books.co.uk

[Kvadrat]

Here are two pictures of the same event from opposite angles:





The first one is taken from LAT Photographic Archive site (copyright), the second one is frame from my own video (probably no copyright). You can see me in white overalls right above Aston Martin's rear wheel on LAT picture and LAT photographer on grass on left from stairway.

[bradbury west]

A few items perhaps not covered at the Revival


























Copyright Roger Lund
Roger Lund

Edited by bradbury west, 16 October 2009 - 16:31.

[Bjorn Kjer]

Thanks Roger ,very interesting , especially the 2 MILAN items.

[matey]

If anyone can find where Ascari or Trossi ever drove for Scuderia Milan (or were even proposed to drive) they are a better man than me.

[Macca]

Some more from me:


Messerschmitt Bf108


tranlation required.............


three BRM P261s - sadly Richard Attwood's went u/s in practise.


another vehicle not covered elsewhere..........perhaps it should be on the Commercial Vehicles thread....


and finally, the pushing race from the holding area after Richmond Trophy practise

Paul M

[kayemod]

Some more from me:




tranlation required.............



Paul M

A literal translation is "Attention, when moving backwards, release the rear wheel".

[kayemod]

I'm guessing that 'Auf Deutsch' warning was on the Messerschmitt Bf 108, it's a warning to disconnect the tailwheel linkages when pushing the plane backwards, and there's an interesting connection with another current thread. Elly Beinhorn, Frau Rosemeyer, flew one of these very planes on her later record flights, and I think Bernd learned to fly in it himself. Elly christened her own plane 'Taifun', and the same name was subsequently adopted by Messerschmitt for all production aircraft. The Bf 108 was in many ways a dry run for the Bf 109 fighter, with which it shared the wings and tail group, Germany being restricted from building proper warplanes by the terms of the Versailles Treaty.

Second thoughts, it doesn't look like a Taifun, was there by any chance a Bücker Jungmeister in attendance?

Edited by kayemod, 16 October 2009 - 19:27.

[Macca]

Ja..........see post 361.

Paul M

[kayemod]

Ja..........see post 361.

Paul M

Danke!

[bradbury west]

Copyright Roger Lund

This, to me, delightful bit of artwork was on the fuel tank of an old Harley Davidson motorcycle.
RL

[Bauble]

If we are showing off here ...... did anyone else catch this moment?

[cdrewett]

I'm guessing that 'Auf Deutsch' warning was on the Messerschmitt Bf 108, it's a warning to disconnect the tailwheel linkages when pushing the plane backwards, and there's an interesting connection with another current thread. Elly Beinhorn, Frau Rosemeyer, flew one of these very planes on her later record flights, and I think Bernd learned to fly in it himself. Elly christened her own plane 'Taifun', and the same name was subsequently adopted by Messerschmitt for all production aircraft. The Bf 108 was in many ways a dry run for the Bf 109 fighter, with which it shared the wings and tail group, Germany being restricted from building proper warplanes by the terms of the Versailles Treaty.

Second thoughts, it doesn't look like a Taifun, was there by any chance a Bücker Jungmeister in attendance?

I don't know if anyone heard my interview with John Romain on Goodwood radio. He was very interesting about comparing flying the BF109 versus the Spitfire. He said that once aloft, the 109 is a delight to fly although the cockpit is a bit cramped and the canopy with all those panels restricts visibility. Mind you he is quite a small bloke and for anyone much bigger it must have been pretty uncomfortable. It's a much smaller aeroplane than the Spitfire and accelerates much quicker downhill, although the Spitfire is faster uphill.
The big problem with the 109 is in landing and take-off. Because they wanted to be able to remove the wings with the wheels on the ground, the undercarriage is very narrow at the hinges and splays out to angle the wheels quite acutely. This means that it is very prone to one wheel digging in and turning the aeroplane sharply left or right, and this, allied to massive torque means that it's difficult to keep it straight on take-off. It's even worse on landing, because its stable approach leads to pilot over-confidence, and it can suddenly bite when it touches down.
So young, inexperienced Luftwaffe pilots faced a real challenge before facing the RAF and it's not surprising that more of them were lost on the ground than in the air.
Like all the pilots I met at Goodwood, John is modest and amusing. I think the flying displays at Goodwood are sensational and add hugely to its enjoyment.
Chris

Edited by cdrewett, 17 October 2009 - 09:29.

[Alan Cox]

and finally, the pushing race from the holding area after Richmond Trophy practise

Paul M

It has intrigued me to see the Ferguson competing in the Richmond Trophy - quoting from Goodwood's website: "..At the Revival, the Richmond Trophy is for front-engined Formula 1 cars of a type that raced between 1950 and 1960." Does anyone recall the Ferguson racing in 1960? I thought its debut was in the 1961 British Empire Trophy Intercontinental race.

[David McKinney]

I too wondered how it had got into that race...
I suppose to keep all the front-engined cars together
Which rather misses the point of the Ferguson design - that it was a front-engined car in a rear-engined era

[Alan Cox]

In previous years it has been entered in the Glover Trophy, IIRC.

[Roger Clark]

If anyone can find where Ascari or Trossi ever drove for Scuderia Milan (or were even proposed to drive) they are a better man than me.

Sadly, there are few on this thread who are interested in motor racing history.

Is it likely that Scuderia Milan's van would have a Turin registration?

[Kingsleyrob]

Sadly, there are few on this thread who are interested in motor racing history.

Really?

Rob

[retriever]

Sadly, there are few on this thread who are interested in motor racing history.

I wonder, have you made a mistake and thought you were viewing the 'Racing Comments' forum when you submitted the above post?

[condor]

I think it's probably an ill-advised/worded comment that has caused offence...but not to me
For over 30 years I've attended many race meetings (bikes and cars), and with cable TV have been able to watch lots of other race meets that I wouldn't be able to get to. I'm not particularly interested in motor-racing history as such ( it's just what I watched when I was a lot younger) so is just a memory-type jogger. I have to keep up with all the modern F1, MotoGP, WRC etc. so can only spare a few weeks to historic motor sport racing in a year.
I think attending live events ( funds and time permitting) is so much more important.

[David Beard]

Sadly, there are few on this thread who are interested in motor racing history.

Blimey Roger, what's up?

[condor]

Doesn't take a genius to realise that Roger's comment was 99.9% likely to have been targetteted at Giraffe ( if I'm the 0.01% then blame me )

spelling not quite right there.
I think it's very cowardly of Roger to keep shtummn now....especially since his member's profile suggests he was 'on-line' viewing TNF at just after 2pm...as such, at just before 8pm this evening I have reported his post to the mods as being ungentlemanly...not that I expect anything to be done ;)
It shouldn't come to this...there's Private messaging to sort grievances out, rather than taint the boards.

Edited by condor, 20 October 2009 - 19:10.

[Allan Lupton]

Don't know what's going on here.
I think there are some of us who are interested in motor and motor-racing history and some who are interested in so-called historic motor racing - and some who are interested in both to some degree or another.
It stands to reason that a thread on a modern event won't attract all the historians, in the same way that the thread on (e.g.) the 1911 French GP won't attract those who are interested in, and practitioners of, historic racing.
We don't have to open threads we are not interested in.

[Giraffe]

Doesn't take a genius to realise that Roger's comment was 99.9% likely to have been targetteted at Giraffe ...............

Crikey, what have I done now??? Naah, it won't be me; Roger's kind to animals......

[wolf sun]

A literal translation is "Attention, when moving backwards, release the rear wheel".

Impressive - are you fluent in German?

[Marticelli]

Don't know if this is the best place to post a question about Goodwood FoS, but at least someone may point me to a better place they know of one.

At the Festival of Speed 2000, I was one of a select few old bike enthusiasts asked to help put on a display of early motorcycles, with demonstration runs up the hill. I was riding an amazing early Werner of 1902 which was fitted in 1906 with an 1899 de Dion tricycle engine, a period 'go-faster' mod!! As ever at Goodwood, there were a lot of photographers at the start taking shots of the riders about to depart. I was on the front line of the grid between Barry Sheene on an ex-works Suzuki 500 and Murray Walker on his Dad's old Rudge TT bike, so it would be nice to find one of the photographers who took the pics of the three of us lined up side by side so I could have one as a memento of an auspicious occasion.

Barry of course is no longer alive, and after that weekend, apparently Murray Walker vowed never to ride the Rudge again as he put his hip out on the last ride!! My mount was borrowed so all in all, it was an unrepeatable situation. It was also my first visit to Goodwood and certainly not my last! It was also memorable because on each of my runs up the hill, the Werner ran out of steam at the same marshal's post half way up the hill. When I stopped out iof breath from administering Light Pedal Assistance on the first run, they made me a cup of tea, but on the others, the tea was already brewed waiting for my visit!!

Hoping some kind person out there has the pics!! Have attached the only pic I have from the day which was published in the VSCC bulletin report of the event - I am wearing the white pudding basin...

[Marticelli]

Slight disappointment that my request for any information about photographers who might have been present at Goodwood FoS in 2000 when Barry Sheene and Murray Walker lined up with others including me for a motorcycle demonstration ride up Goodwood Hill has so far resulted in a deafening silence...

As we sat on our machines on the start line, there were a whole gaggle of photographers all wearing the Press badges allowing them access to such a photoshoot, but I have never seen any images from that session save for the one I already posted published in the VSCC Bulletin in the report of that event...

Surely someone reading this can help...

[Barry Boor]

The thing is, Marti, most of us on this forum would not be the type of person who would get into the position you describe in order to take photos. (There are one or two exceptions to this but they were not necessarily there.)

[D-Type]

Marti, have you tried the motorcycle comics? MCN and MC (assuming they both still exist)

[Marticelli]

Thanks for the responses, guys, but I suspect that 90% of the interest in FoS is from the four wheeled brigade not two wheeled, and the photographers likewise, as the demonstration runs at Goodwood were of course predominantly cars not bikes. I have put the same request on the motorcycle nostalgia forum with equally little response...

Although I am essentially a biker (actually VMCC Marque Specialist for OEC and Blackburne) I am also a sometime Edwardian competitor in the VSCC so have feet in both camps... If you search TNF for Thornycroft you should find a reference to my current restoration project, a 1909 18HP Thornycroft Torpedo...

Cheers anyway,

Martin Shelley aka 'Marticelli' (since the mid 60s!!)

[David Beard]

Thanks for the responses, guys, but I suspect that 90% of the interest in FoS is from the four wheeled brigade not two wheeled, and the photographers likewise, as the demonstration runs at Goodwood were of course predominantly cars not bikes.

Err, small point...
This is a Revival thread, not FoS?

Edited by David Beard, 21 January 2010 - 21:18.