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[subh]

Many of you will know that the British Supercup was the main championship for Superbikes (or 750cc TT F1) in the early 1990s, but there were often actually two major championships for the 750 class in the UK at that time. The Supercup results are available in the Motocourse annuals, as well as those for the Shell Advance series in 1995, but the MCN TT Superbike series results are harder to find.

I have been trying to collect this information, and have had some help with programme scans from some of you here (thank you), and from other programmes I have acquired, but I still have quite a few gaps. It would be great if people would be good enough to dig out any publications from back then that might have points/results data and reports (Motor Cycle News should have these?), and I am also looking for entry lists. Can you help? I have most of the info for the 1993 ACU championship, but anyway I have a web page that shows what I do have and what I don’t have. If you think you might be able to help, please have a look:
http://www.f1network...80/st112172.htm

I hope to be able to post the Supercup results tables here soon as well, but for now here is a relevant picture as provided by ‘picblanc’:

[picblanc]

Many of you will know that the British Supercup was the main championship for Superbikes (or 750cc TT F1) in the early 1990s, but there were often actually two major championships for the 750 class in the UK at that time. The Supercup results are available in the Motocourse annuals, as well as those for the Shell Advance series in 1995, but the MCN TT Superbike series results are harder to find.

I have been trying to collect this information, and have had some help with programme scans from some of you here (thank you), and from other programmes I have acquired, but I still have quite a few gaps. It would be great if people would be good enough to dig out any publications from back then that might have points/results data and reports (Motor Cycle News should have these?), and I am also looking for entry lists. Can you help? I have most of the info for the 1993 ACU championship, but anyway I have a web page that shows what I do have and what I don't have. If you think you might be able to help, please have a look:
http://www.f1network...80/st112172.htm

I hope to be able to post the Supercup results tables here soon as well, but for now here is a relevant picture as provided by 'picblanc':

I thought it looked familiar!!
I will see what I have Dan.
Having said that I think you have had stuff from me already?

Edited by picblanc, 19 September 2009 - 18:12.

[subh]

Thanks Graham - yes, you helped me out quite a lot. But I suppose you might have missed something and every little helps.

[gmwzorro]

Many of you will know that the British Supercup was the main championship for Superbikes (or 750cc TT F1) in the early 1990s, but there were often actually two major championships for the 750 class in the UK at that time. The Supercup results are available in the Motocourse annuals, as well as those for the Shell Advance series in 1995, but the MCN TT Superbike series results are harder to find.

I have been trying to collect this information, and have had some help with programme scans from some of you here (thank you), and from other programmes I have acquired, but I still have quite a few gaps. It would be great if people would be good enough to dig out any publications from back then that might have points/results data and reports (Motor Cycle News should have these?), and I am also looking for entry lists. Can you help? I have most of the info for the 1993 ACU championship, but anyway I have a web page that shows what I do have and what I don’t have. If you think you might be able to help, please have a look:
http://www.f1network...80/st112172.htm

I hope to be able to post the Supercup results tables here soon as well, but for now here is a relevant picture as provided by ‘picblanc’:

I still have copies of a small results magazine called racewatch plus I have all the programmes for 1990 ( wether I have all the results I don't know) and Mallory, Donington, Brands plus GP for 1991, the
magazines cover 1992 & 1993.

Gary

[subh]

That sounds great Gary. I had not heard of racewatch magazine. Would you be in a position to scan or photocopy some of that info for me? If you have time to look through them can you let me know what you find? Thank you.

Dan

Edited by subh, 19 September 2009 - 23:17.

[rd500]

hi, here are the qualifying and race results for the gp support races from 1990 and 91, i only have sundays race results from 91. hope this is some help just click on the links below. cheers ian

[subh]

RD - thank you. I think I have some of these printouts, but definitely not all of them.

[rd500]

no probs, i have the full sheets from 89 gp support aswell if they are any interest to you and im sure i have the 90 cadwell rounds on vhs. ill have a rake and see what i can find

[subh]

Sounds good - and yes, the 1989 sheets would also be appreciated.

[rd500]

here is the 89 donny gp support, grid and both races. struggling to find anything else though if i do i will post it up for you. cheers ian

[gmwzorro]

That sounds great Gary. I had not heard of racewatch magazine. Would you be in a position to scan or photocopy some of that info for me? If you have time to look through them can you let me know what you find? Thank you.

Dan

TT Jubilee Superbike/F1 Dutch TT Assen 1990, 1 Kees Doorakkers NL Yamaha 2 Ian Simpson GB Honda 3 Enrique de Juan Spain Honda 4 Arpad Harmati H Honda 5 Steve Manley GB Yamaha 6 Mile Pajic NL Kawasaki
7 Manfred Fischer D Honda 8 Anton Gruschka D suzuki 9 Eska Kuparinen SF Honda 10 Pentii Tolonen SF Yamaha 11 Peter Krummenacher CH Yamaha 12 Matt Oxley GB Honda
13 Peter Graves GB Honda 14 Mario Rubatto Suzuki 15 Rico Mertens 44min 55.47 161.577kph Fl Ian Simpson 2min 10.60 166.741kph

More to follow Gary

Edited by gmwzorro, 21 September 2009 - 20:37.

[gmwzorro]

That sounds great Gary. I had not heard of racewatch magazine. Would you be in a position to scan or photocopy some of that info for me? If you have time to look through them can you let me know what you find? Thank you.

Dan

Snetterton 15/7/1990 Mcn TT Superbike Rd 4 1 Trevor Nation Norton 2 Ray Stringer Yamaha 3 Ian Simpson Honda 4 Matt Llewellyn Yamaha 5 Mark Linscott Yamaha 6 Tim Bourne Yamaha
7 John Reynolds Kawasaki 8 James Whitham Honda 9 Dave Redgate Yamaha 10 John Burgess 500 Suzuki 11 Simon Watson Yamaha 12 Mickey Davidson Yamaha
18-40.5 93.92mph FL Steve Spray Norton 1-13.2 95.85mph
Mcn TT Superbike Rd5 1 Trevor Nation 2 Steve Spray 3 Ray Stringer 4 Gary Weston Yamaha 5 Ray Swann Yamaha 6 John Reynolds 7 Matt Llewellyn 8 Dave Redgate 9 Mark Linscott 10 Chris White Honda
11 Simon Watson 12 Nigel Nottingham Yamaha 18-40.8 92.90mph FL Trevor Nation 1-13.5 95.46

More to follow Gary

[subh]

Thank you Ian, and thank you Gary.

I have the programme for Assen and some of those finishers are not in the entry list for the TT Superbike race, although most of them appear in the European championship race entry instead. Doorakkers must have been a late entry for Superbike, because he is only listed for the 500 GP. However, I had read somewhere that he won the MCN race.

Rico Mertens is not in the programme. Does it say what bike he was on? Does anyone know his nationality? Thanks.

[gmwzorro]

Thank you Ian, and thank you Gary.

I have the programme for Assen and some of those finishers are not in the entry list for the TT Superbike race, although most of them appear in the European championship race entry instead. Doorakkers must have been a late entry for Superbike, because he is only listed for the 500 GP. However, I had read somewhere that he won the MCN race.

Rico Mertens is not in the programme. Does it say what bike he was on? Does anyone know his nationality? Thanks.

Rico Mertens was on a Suzuki, but the results sheet doesn't show any nationalities.

Gary

[ChiliFan]

Rico Mertens is Dutch isn't he?

[gmwzorro]

Oulton Park 22/9/90: MCN TT Superbike Rd8 1 John Reynolds Kawasaki 2 Trevor Nation Norton 3 Carl Fogarty Honda 4 James Whitham Honda 5 Steve Hislop Honda 6 Mike Edwards Ducati 7 Mark Linscott
Yamaha 8 Ian Simpson Honda 9 Mark Phillips Yamaha 10 Ray Stringer Yamaha 21-53.2 91.09mph FL Carl Fogarty 1-47.5 92.72mph
MCN TT Superbike Rd 9 : 1 Carl Fogarty 2 Steve Hislop 3 James Whitham 4 John Reynolds 5 Tim Bourne Yamaha 6 Ray Stringer 7 Mike Edwards 8 Steve Manley Yamaha 9 Ian Simpson 10 Mark Linscott
19-55.1 100.09mph FL Carl Fogarty 1-37.9 101.82mph Please note Steve Spray only did 3 laps in Rd 8.
More to follow Gary

[gmwzorro]

Cadwell Park 23/9/1990
MCN TT Superbike rd10 : 1 Ray Stringer Yamaha 2 Trevor Nation Norton 3 Mark Phillips Yamaha 4 Mark Linscott Yamaha 5 Steve Spray Norton
6 Matt LLewellyn Yamaha 7 Simon Watson Yamaha 8 Carl Fogarty Honda 9 Ian Simpson Honda 10 Nick Jeffries Yamaha
17-38.4 73.80mph FL Ray Stringer 1-42.3 76.36mph
MCN TT Superbike rd11 : 1 Carl Fogarty 2 Trevor Nation 3 Mark Farmer Kawasaki 4 Dean Ashton Yamaha 5 Ray Stringer 6 Ian Simpson
7 Mark Linscott 8 Tim Bourne Yamaha 9 Mark Phillips 10 Andy Ward Yamaha
16-09.9 80.54mph FL Carl Fogarty 1-35.5 81.80mph
King of Cadwell : 1 Carl Fogarty 2 Trevor Nation 3 Dean Ashton 4 Ray Stringer 5 Ian Simpson 6 Mark Phillips 7 Matt Llewellyn 8 Steve Ward Honda
23-46.9 82.12mph FL Dean Ashton 1-32.9 84.09mph
More to Follow Gary

[gmwzorro]

Brands Hatch 20/10/1990: MCN TT Superbike Rd 12 : 1 Terry Rymer Yamaha 2 Rob McElnea Yamaha 3 Tim Bourne Yamaha 4 Mark Farmer Suzuki
5 Roger Burnett Suzuki 6 John Reynolds Kawasaki 7 Trevor Nation Norton 8 Ray Stringer Yamaha 9 Ron Haslam Norton 10 Dave Redgate Yamaha
12-09.1 89.14mph FL Terry Rymer 47.6 91.01mph
MCN TT Superbike Rd 13 : 1 Terry Rymer 2 Rob McElnea 3 Carl Fogarty Honda 4 Trevor Nation 5 Ron Haslam 6 Roger Burnett 7 Steve Hislop Honda
8 Mark Farmer 9 Dave Redgate 10 John Reynolds
12-03.6 89.82mph FL Terry Rymer and Rob McElnea 47.5 91.22mph
Brand Hatch TT Formula International : 1 Terry Rymer 2 Rob McElnea 3 Ron Haslam 4 Carl Fogarty 5 Trevor Nation 6 Roger Burnett 7 Ray Stringer
8 John Reynolds 9 Steve Chambers Honda 10 Tim Bourne
16-06.5 89.66mph FL Terry Rymer 47.5 91.22mph
More to follow Gary

Edited by gmwzorro, 23 September 2009 - 19:39.

[subh]

Many thanks again Gary.

It’s interesting to see Dean Ashton with fastest lap at Cadwell. From what I saw of him he seemed like a rider who would have been more of a contender with some works support. His best result in a championship Superbike race was fourth, and he got top six results in several seasons. I wonder if that Cadwell race is his best result at that level.

P.S. It was in another thread, but I still haven’t found out why Dean was apparently excluded from the HEAT Supercup races at Mallory on 17 April 1994 (8th and 4th). Anyone know where to find out?

[picblanc]

Many thanks again Gary.

It's interesting to see Dean Ashton with fastest lap at Cadwell. From what I saw of him he seemed like a rider who would have been more of a contender with some works support. His best result in a championship Superbike race was fourth, and he got top six results in several seasons. I wonder if that Cadwell race is his best result at that level.

P.S. It was in another thread, but I still haven't found out why Dean was apparently excluded from the HEAT Supercup races at Mallory on 17 April 1994 (8th and 4th). Anyone know where to find out?

I was at that one and did not know that, time for some digging!!?

[gmwzorro]

King of Donington 29/09/1991
MCN Superbike Rd 6 Leg 1 : 1 James Whitham Suzuki 2 Rob McElnea Yamaha 3 Ron Haslam Norton 4 Andy Ward Yamaha 5 John Reynolds Kawasaki
6 Robert Holden NZ Honda 7 Steve Williams Yamaha 8 Ray Stringer Yamaha 9 Roger Burnett Honda 10 Ian Simpson Yamaha 11 Trevor Nation Norton
12 Tim Bourne Kawasaki 13 Matt Llewellyn Roton 14 Pete Graves Honda 15 Andy Green Honda
17-32.61 80.31mph FL James Whitham 1-25.99 81.83mph
MCN Superbike Rd 6 Leg 2 : 1 John Reynolds 2 James Whitham 3 Ron Haslam 4 Rob McElnea 5 Steve Williams 6 Andy Ward 7 Ian Simpson 8 Robert Holden
9 Ray Stringer 10 Roger Burnett 11 Martin James Yamaha 12 Simon Watson Yamaha 13 Andy Green 14 Ian Green Honda 15 Richard Defago Honda
17-09.62 82.11mph FL John Reynolds 1-23.6 84.27mph
More to follow Gary

[gmwzorro]

Brands Hatch 20/10/1991
MCN Suprbike Leg 1 : 1 John Reynolds Kawasaki 2 James Whitham Suzuki 3 Rob McElnea Yamaha 4 Ron Haslam Norton 5 Simon Crafar NZ Honda
6 Mark Farmer Roton 7 Ray Stringer Yamaha 8 Matt Llewellyn Yamaha 9 Andy Ward Yamaha 10 Tim Bourne Kawasaki 11 John Burgess Yamaha
12 Tony Woodcock Yamaha 13 Paul Deavin Kawasaki 14 Trevor Nation Norton 15 Tom Knight Honda
11-59.6 90.32mph FL John Reynolds 47.4 91.41mph
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 1 James Whitham 2 Rob McElnea 3 Ron Haslam 4 Ray Stringer 5 John Reynolds 6 Mark Farmer 7 Matt Llewellyn 8 Andy Ward
9 John Burgess 10 Tim Bourne 11 Trevor Nation 12 Roger Burnett Honda 13 Simon Watson Yamaha 14 Tony Woodcock 15 Paul Deavin
12-5.1 89.64 mph FL Ray Stringer 47.4 91.41mph
Powerbike International : 1 Rob McElnea 2 John Reynolds 3 Ron Haslam 4 Mark Farmer 5 James Whitham 6 Ray Stringer 8 Simon Crafar
16-00.3 90.24mph FL Ron Haslam 47.1 91.99mph (Lap Record )
More To Follow Gary

[gmwzorro]

Oulton Park 11/4/1992
MCN Superbike Leg 1 : 13 Simon Watson Yamaha 14 Roger Bennett Ducati 15 Nigel Nottingham Yamaha FL Reynolds 1-40.8 98.39mph
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 11 Simon Watson 12 Roger Bennett 13 Andy Ward Kawasaki 15 Graham Ward Kawasaki Fl Ron Haslam 1-40.8 98.39mph
Snetterton 26/4/92
MCN Superbike Leg 1 : 13 Pete Boast Yamaha 14 Tom Knight Honda 15 Tom Cuddy Yamaha FL Reynolds 1-11.7 98.00mph LR
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 7 Gary Bull Yamaha 8 Nigel Nottingham Yamaha 9 Mike Edwards Honda 10 Pete Boast 11 Tom Knight
12 Tom Cuddy 13 Mickey Davidson Yamaha 14 Jason Sear Yamaha 15 John Barton Honda FL Reynolds 1-11.60 98.14 LR
More to Follow Gary

[gmwzorro]

Knockhill 5/7/ 1992
MCN Superbike Leg 1 : 7 Roger Bennett Ducati 9 David Jeffeies Yamaha 10 Nigel Nottingham Yamaha 11 Dennis Irvine Yamaha 12 John Barton Honda
13 Martin James Yamaha 14 John Woods Honda 15 Neil Carpenter Kawasaki FL Reynolds 51.70 89.76mph LR
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 7 David Jeffries 9 Nigel Nottingham 10 Dennis Irvine 11 John Barton 12 Martin James 13 Neil Carpenter All finishers
FL Reynolds 51. 75 89.67mph
Mallory Park 19/7/ 1992
MCN Superbike Leg 1 : 5 Mark Farmer Norton 6 Simon Crafar Honda 7 David Jeffries Yamaha 8 Jeremy McWilliams Ducati 9 Gary Bull Yamaha
10 Robert Holden Yamaha 11 Andy Corbett Kawasaki 12 Brett Sampson Kawasaki 13 Shaun Harris Suzuki 14 Martin Jones Yamaha
15 Nigel Nottingham Yamaha FL Reynolds 49.32 100.00mph
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 5 Mark Farmer 6 Simon Crafar 7 Robert Holden 8 Gary Bull 9 Jeremy McWilliams 10 Simon Watson Kawasaki
11 John Hackett Ducati 12 Andy Corbett 13 Brett Sampson 14 Shaun Harris 15 Nigel Nottingham FL Reynolds 49.07 100.50mph LR
More to follow Gary

[gmwzorro]

Donington 30/8/1992
MCN Superbike Leg1 : 10 David Jeffries Yamaha 11 Andy Ward Kawasaki 12 Matt Llewellyn Yamaha 13 Simon Watson Yamaha 14 Robin Milton Kawasaki
15 Phil Borley Honda FL Reynolds 1-12.20 97.59mph
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 2 Robert Dunlop Norton 3 Terry Rymer Norton 4 Rob McElnea Yamaha 5 Brian Morrison Kawasaki 6 Mark Farmer Roton
7 Simon Crafar Honda 8 James Whitham Suzuki 9 Andy Ward 10 David Jeffries 11 Robin Milton 12 Matt Llewellyn 13 Robert Holden Yamaha
14 Pete Boast Yamaha 15 Nev Lewendon Yamaha FL Reynolds 1-12.09 97.74mph
Cadwell Park 31/8/1992
MCN Superbike Leg 1 : 2 James Whitham Suzuki 3 Mark Farmer Roton 4 Robert Dunlop Norton 5 Rob McElnea Yamaha 6 Simon Crafar Honda
7 David Jeffries Yamaha 8 Matt Llewellyn Yamaha 9 Graham Ward Kawasaki 10 Richard Defago Honda 11 Tom Cuddy Yamaha
12 John Schoenemann Kawasaki All Finishers No Fl
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 4 Rob McElnea 5 Mark Farmer 6 Brian Morrison Kawasaki 7 Simon Crafar 8 David Jeffries 9 Graham Ward 10 Richard Defago All finishers
FL Reynolds & Whitham 1-28.9 87.87mph
More to Follow Gary

[gmwzorro]

Mallory Park 27/9/1992
MCN Superbike Leg 1 : Only ten finishers
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 11 Simon Watson Yamaha 12 Derek Crutchlow Yamaha 13 Mike Hodges Kawasaki 14 Tim Lee Yamaha All finishers No FL
Brands Hatch 17/10/1992 Tim Bourne Yamaha John Burgess Yamaha
MCN Superbike Leg 1 : 13 David Jeffries Yamaha 14 John Burgess Yamaha 15 Brett Sampson Kawasaki FL Morrison 46.8 92.98mph
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 7 Tim Bourne Yamaha 11 John Burgess Yamaha 13 Michael Rutter Ducati 14 Robin Milton Kawasaki 15 Brett Sampson
FL Brian Morrison 46.9 92.39m
I think thats all I have got all the best Gary

Edited by gmwzorro, 24 September 2009 - 14:57.

[subh]

Gary, thanks very much for all your help. I am now in the process of adding to/updating the website with these details. It looks like I now have all the points results for 1990 and 1992, but still with gaps for 1991.

I have all the programmes for 1990

Is there any chance you could scan the Superbike entry list pages for Snetterton and Brands in 1990?

Brands Hatch 20/10/1991
Powerbike International : 1 Rob McElnea 2 John Reynolds 3 Ron Haslam 4 Mark Farmer 5 James Whitham 6 Ray Stringer 8 Simon Crafar

Does the Powerbike result show who was seventh?

Brands Hatch 17/10/1992 Tim Bourne Yamaha John Burgess Yamaha
MCN Superbike Leg 2 : 7 Tim Bourne Yamaha 11 John Burgess Yamaha 13 Michael Rutter Ducati 14 Robin Milton Kawasaki 15 Brett Sampson

Does it say who was 12th in this one? My information has Burgess as 12th but no info on who was 11th. Can you provide both?

Thanks again,

Dan

Edited by subh, 06 October 2009 - 15:34.

[gmwzorro]

Hi Dan
Brands Hatch 92: 12 Colin Gable Yamaha
Brands Hatch 91 Powerbike Simon Crafar was Seventh not Eigth
Don't know how to scan pages big enough to read on here , so will type them
out when I get time.
Gary

[gmwzorro]

Snetterton 1990 Gary

[gmwzorro]

Brands Hatch 1990 Gary

[subh]

Excellent, thank you.

[subh]

I have been reviewing the results data above and it looks like I now have pretty much everything I was looking for.  The one obvious gap is the Cadwell Park results from 26th August 1991.  All I know is that Rob McElnea won both races.  Does anyone have the programme for this or race results available somewhere?  Many thanks if you can help.

 

Dan

[bobness]

Hi Dan

I have this, if you still need it?
Both results, down to 12th, with times and fastest laps.

Cheers

Bob

[subh]

Thanks a lot Bob - file received.

[RonnieWeir]

do you have the results from knockhill on 13th October 1991?

[ChiliFan]

P.S. It was in another thread, but I still haven’t found out why Dean was apparently excluded from the HEAT Supercup races at Mallory on 17 April 1994 (8th and 4th). Anyone know where to find out?

 

Quite an old post I know, but according to MCN's May 25 1994 issue Ashton was excluded from the Snetterton Supercup races on May 22nd (12th in race 1 and 9th in race 2) for refusing to have his engine stripped down by the scrutineers. He was one of three riders randomly chosen to have their engines checked and said he couldn't afford to have it rebuilt. Might they have excluded him from the previous round for the same reason?

[RaceFanAdam]

Does any one happen to have the Fastest laps from both races at Thruxton, 29/03/1992,

 

Only bits im missing, cheers.