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[Catch 22]

All -

I posted a question about the last car carrying #22 to win an F1 race earlier today and was quite stunned to have an answer in no time at all. (Thanks again, Leif!) So I thought I'd pester those of you whose databases are comprehensive with another silly question.

I've often wondered whether any current or former drivers share my birthday. I was born August 21, 1951. Anybody have quick access to such arcane information? I started thumbing through my copy of Small's Grand Prix Who's Who, and quickly realized it was going to longer than it was worth (although I found that one James Hunt was close: August 29).

Thanks in advance.

[Zawed]

Go to forix on the internet, it has loads of F1 info, drivers, teams, tracks. Can't remember the exact address, its probably http://www.forix.com, but look at the links on the front page of atlasf1.

[david_martin]

Interesting thought. I just checked mine, and although there was no one born on the same date as me, I did discover I share the same birthday as Mario Andretti (hardly the greatest claim to fame, but one more than I thought I already had!).[p][Edited by david_martin on 10-30-2000]

[Barry Lake]

Ken Richardson, English BRM driver, in 1911.

Fred Agabashian, US Indy driver, in 1913.

I don't know of any born 21 August 1951. Perhaps Catch 22 was the most famous person born that day.

[Eagle104]

Dan Gurney: April 13, 1931

[Catch 22]

Freddie Agabashian, huh? Cool! I knew some of his relatives back in Fresno, California. With respect to August 21, 1951, I'm *hardly* the most famous. I believe that there was a birth in England's royal family that same day.

[rainern]

Jacques Laffite 21NOV1943
Cathy Muller 21NOV1962 (my twin sister!!)
Bobby Verdon-Roe 21NOV1965.
and other celebrities
Goldie Hawn 21NOV1945
Björk 21NOV1965


Rainer

[rainern]

August 21: No notable racing drivers but some other celebrities born on the same day as Catch 22....

21 - Aug - 1938 Kenny Rogers
21 - Aug - 1936 Wilt Chamberlain
21 - Aug - 1932 Melvin Van Peebles
21 - Aug - 1924 Jack Weston
21 - Aug - 1904 Count Basie


Rainer

[Leif Snellman]

Originally posted by Catch 22
I started thumbing through my copy of Small's Grand Prix Who's Who, and quickly realized it was going to longer than it was worth

Small is not a good book in this case, Hayhoe and Holland gives:
21 Aug 1913 Freddie Agabashian born
21 Aug 1983 Gene Force died
21 Aug 1947 Ettore Bugatti died
21 Aug 1980 Alfred Neubauer died

No driver sems to have been born in August 1951 but Nelson Piquet was born on 17 August 1952

[Felix Muelas]

A very small side comment, now that Steve Small´s book has entered the equation : be careful when handling it!

For a book that has had three editions-adittions-revisions and that has had the contributions of many of us, it still has some curious mistakes that seem to indicate that whomever is the proof-reader, he keeps on making the same mistakes, edition after edition. And of the "silly-ones" class, what is, in a reference book of this magnitude, irritating no end.

Just an example : one of those "really" famous wins in the World Championship Grand Prix is Froilán González´s win at Silverstone 1951. We all have seen pictures of the Ferrari 375 and, even without having to take a further look at it, we can remember the number of the car...12. As famous as Seppi´s 22, you will agree.

Well, Small somehow decided, back in 1994, that the number should have been 16. Very unfair on my part, he did not decided that, he -and his proof-reader- made a mistake and quoted number 16. Fair enough. As with hundreds of other mistakes, that many of us spotted then, Small might have received a nice couple of letters from readers about this.

Comes edition number two in 1996 and, oh surprise, some things are now corrected but González´s number at the British GP 1951 is still 16...

OK, we all deserve a further chance, don´t we?

Third time lucky? Well, some years after the second we have the third edition, now a hardback, that appears at the start of this year 2000.

Some more improvements on it, and, in the case of González, it includes a picture of the car and the driver at that famous moment. Promising...The picture occupies a third of a page and, I can swear for those that do not have the book at hand, has a 12 that can be seen from a mile.

But, in strict application of Peter´s principle, the number shown on the table of data...is still 16!

I think this has the ability to comment itself, and without wanting to extrapolate anything, I will leave it here...

Felix

[KzKiwi]

Originally posted by rainern
Jacques Laffite 21NOV1943
Cathy Muller 21NOV1962 (my twin sister!!)
Bobby Verdon-Roe 21NOV1965.
and other celebrities
Goldie Hawn 21NOV1945
Björk 21NOV1965


Rainer

Rainer,
Cathy Muller was your twin sister. Really? Was this the same Cathy Muller that was a very good kart racer from 15 or so years ago?

I remember her racing at our local track here in New Zealand (in a sort of 'Tasman series' for karts). It seems that the organisers expected her to finish in the placings, as one of the prizes was of a feminine nature (hair dryer or mascara set?). Only problem was that she had a bad day, so the 'feminine' prize went to.....you guessed it, a male driver. What applause there was was drowned out by the laughter.

From memory, after karts she then went on to race in the German F3 series - did not do too bad as I recall either.

Sorry to go completly off topic, but she was fairly unique in the fact that she could drive damn fast, and that was rare for a woman in a male dominated sport. Plus I was just reminising....

What is she up to now?

Regards,
Kirk

[Falcadore]

20th August 1947 - Terry Finnigan
22nd August 1974 - Steven Ellery
There's the closest VESRIX can produce.

yours
Mark Jones

Nobody on mine - 3rd May either. John Goss was 2nd May.
Digging into F1...
Boy Hayje 3 May 1949 - who?
The closest to my actual age - Pedro Lamy is month and a half older, Rubens Barrichello 20 days younger.