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[Boniver]

13 june 1971
Hockenheim
RINDT MEMORIAL RACE

1. Ickx – Ferrari
2. Peterson – March
3. Surtees – Surtees
4. Ganley – BRM
5. Galli – Larch
6. Barber - March

Who have more info of this race,
Boniver

[Leif Snellman]

7 Stommelen - Surtees
8 Soler-Roig - March

Jochen Rindt Gedächtnis-Rennen

Grid:

Pole position empty (for Rindt)
Ickx - Ferrari 1:56.8
Regazzoni - Ferrari 1:57.7
Wisell - Lotus 1:59.6
Ganley - BRM 2:00.5
Gethin - McLaren 2:01.0
Peterson - March 2:01.5
Surtees- Surtees 2:01.5
Stommelen - Surtees 2:02.1
Galli - March-Alfa 2:02.1
Walker - Lotus 2:02.8
Miles-BRM 2:02.9
Beuttler-March 2:03.1
Lamplough BRM 2:03.2
Barber - March 2:06.8
Soler-Roig - March 2:13.3
Perrot - March 2:16.0
Allen - March 2:20.4

[Felix Muelas]

OK, some raw data...leaving somebody else to do the narrative



VI Rhein-Pokalrennen
Hockenheim
35 laps
13 June 1971

Entry list :

#2 John Surtees Team Surtees Surtees TS9-001
#3 Rolf Stommelen Team Surtees Surtees TS9-002
#4 Jackie Ickx Ferrari Ferrari 312B-003
#5 Clay Regazzoni Ferrari Ferrari 312B-004
#6 Mario Andretti Ferrari Ferrari 312B
#7 Tony Trimmer Lotus Lotus 72-5
#8 Reine Wisell Lotus Lotus 72-3
#9 David Walker Lotus Lotus 72-5
#10 Ronnie Peterson March March 711-2
#11 Alex Soler-Roig March March 711-4
#12 Nanni Galli March March 711-1
#14 Henri Pescarolo Williams March 711
#15 Ray Allen Williams March 701-6
#16 Howden Ganley BRM BRM 153-06
#17 John Miles BRM BRM 153-07
#18 BRM BRM 160-03
#19 Skip Barber Gene Mason March 711-5
#20 Andrea de Adamich Surtees TS7
#21 Peter Gethin McLaren McLAren M14A-2
#22 Mike Beuttler Clarke-Mordaunt March 701-11
#23 Xavier Perrot Siffert Racing March 701-5
#24 Robert Lamplough R Lamplough BRM 133-01
#25 Bernd Terbeck R Lamplough BRM 126-02

DNA : Andretti (#6), Pescarolo (#14), de Adamich (#20) and car (#18) -(no driver available!)
DNS :
Trimmer : best practice time 2.08.1, but Walker raced the 72-5
Terbeck : engine broke, best practice time 2.31.7
T-CARS : #9 Lotus 56-1 P&W, #10 March 711-6 #17 BRM 160-03

Grid
Nobody on pole, as sign of respect
Ickx 1.56.8
Regazzoni 1.57.7
Wisell 1.59.6
Gethin 2.00.1
Ganley 2.00.5
Miles 2.00.9
Surtees 2.01.5
Peterson 2.01.5
Galli 2.02.1
Stommelen 2.02.1
Walker 2.02.8
Beutler 2.03.1
Barber 2.03.2
Soler-Roig 2.06.8
Lamplough 2.13.3
Perrot 2.16.0
Allen 2.20.4

Fastest lap : Ickx 1.58.8

Results:
1 Ickx 35laps 1h10.11.7 126.20mph
2 Peterson 1h11.05.5
3 Surtees 1h11.28.7
4 Ganley 1h11.43.8
5 Galli 1h11.43.8 (??)
6 Barber 34 laps
7 Stommelen 34 laps (includes a 60s penalty for missing the chicane)
8 Soler-Roig 34 laps
9 Walker 34 laps
10 Wisell 33 laps
11 Perrot 31 laps
12 Lamplough 31 laps

NOT CLASSIFIED
13 Beutler 28 laps (gear selector)
14 Regazzoni 25 laps (stopped on lap 3, 10 laps in pits)

RETIREMENTS
Allen 14 laps (fuel leak)
Miles 6 laps (cylinder liner)
Gethin 4 throttle linkage

A lap by lap is available if wanted.

Felix Muelas

[Leif Snellman]

I was faster than Felix but less informative

[Felix Muelas]

Leif

I find funny that you and I meet in no other historical moment but 1971!!

This race, that Rainer helped very much to find details a couple of years ago (all at 8W home, thank you very much) has a very special meaning for me as my -much younger than me- dear wife Bianca was born during Saturday practice of this particular race...

She used not to fully agree on the fact that the only way I could remember her birthdate was by relating it to this particular race. Now she finds it funny.

Felix

[Felix Muelas]

Leif :

Faster?
With your name you have an obvious advantage!!


Felix

[Milan Fistonic]

Jochen Rindt Memorial Trophy
Hockenheim, June 13, 1971
35 laps – 237.6km (147.6 miles)

Grid Pole was left vacant in memory of Rindt

2 Ickx Ferrari 1.56.8
3 Regazzoni Ferrari 1.57.7
4 Wisell Lotus 1.59.6
5 Gethin McLaren 2.00.1
6 Ganley BRM 2.00.5
7 Miles BRM 2.00.9
8 Surtees Surtees 2.01.5
9 Peterson March 2.01.5
10 Galli March 2.02.1
11 Stommelen Surtees 2.02.1
12 Walker Lotus 2.02.8
13 Beuttler March 2.03.1
14 Barber March 2.03.2
15 Soler-Roig March 2.06.8
16 Lamplough BRM 2.13.3
17 Perrot March 2.16.0
18 Allen March 2.20.4
19 Terbeck BRM 2.31.7 (DNS)

Result
1 Ickx 1h 10m 11.2s
2 Peterson 1.11.05.5
3 Surtees 1.11.28.7
4 Ganley 1.11.43.8
5 Galli 1.11.56.9
6 Barber 34 laps
7 Stommelen 34 laps
8 Soler-Roig 34 laps
9 Walker 34 laps
10 Wisell 33 laps
11 Perrot 31 laps
12 Lamplough 31 laps
13 Regazzoni 25 laps

Retired

Gethin 4 laps completed
Miles 6 laps
Allen 14 laps
Beuttler 28 laps

Fastest lap Ickx 1.58.5 new record.
Ickx's average speed for the race was faster than his own previous lap record.

Mario Andretti was due to drive a third Ferrari but stayed home to recuperate from burns he had received in a race at Milwaukee. Dave Walker was entered to drive the Lotus 56B turbine car but an internal oil fire in the engine caused damage that could not be repaired. Walker then took over the Lotus 72 that was to have been driven by Tony Trimmer. It was Walker's first race in a piston-engined F1 car. Le mans was on that same weekend and the BRM team hoped to get Pedro Rodriguez into its spare car after he Mexican had retired early from the 24-hour race. He didn't arrive which was probably just as well as Colin Chapman was planning to protest the fact that edro had not completed offical practice.

The trophy was presented to Ickx by Jochen’s widow Nina.

[Leif Snellman]

Milan Fistonic, welcome to the club!

[Boniver]

Leif, Felix, Milan,

Thanks, and what he speeds


Boniver ( Rudiger )

[Milan Fistonic]

Ickx's average speed for the race was 203.1 kph and his fastest lap was at 205.71 kph

Thanks for the welcome. Now I'll have to learn to type faster so I can get in ahead of you speedsters.

[Marcor]

In 1970 a deal was struck with McLaren and Autodelta to use a version of the Alfa Romeo T33/3 sports car V8-engine for Alfa’s protégés Andrea de Adamich and Nanni Galli. However the Italian engine had some big lubrication’s problems and would never stand up to the V8-Cosworths. An Alfa Romeo-engined M7D appeared first and was around for half season, although it ran in only one GP. The car was used by de Adamich until an Alfa-engined M14D was ready. The best placing with Andrea de Adamich was eight in the Italian GP when Nanni Galli failed to qualify the M7D, otherwise there would have been two Alfa Romeo-engined cars on a grid at Monza.

The following year, the agreement continued with March. The two Italian drivers tended to alternate in the car. de Adamich finished 11th in the US GP. Nanni Galli finished fifth in the Jochen Rindt Memorial Race.

Ronnie Peterson would have drive a Alfa Romeo-engined March 711 three times including the Hockenheim’s race. Can anyone confirm that assertion ?

[Dave Ware]

According to my Marlboro Grand Prix guide for 1971, Peterson drove a Ford-engined March in each of the Grands Prix that year. The guide does not mention any non-championship races, so I don't have any info on those.

As you mentioned, de Adamich and Galli both drove Alfa-engined Marches. There were also a few occasions in which Galli drove a Ford-engined March! Perhaps they were playing musical engines at March that year.

I'm enjoying these threads on the non-championship races. I didn't know, for instance, that there ever was a Memorial race for Rindt. A good touch that they left the pole position empty. I can't imagine that they would to that today...yet another good reason to dwell in the past, to relive better, more noble times.

Dave

[tombe]

RP raced a March-Alfa at the GKN/Daily Express Int. Trophy at Silverstone. At the Jochen Rindt Memorial he practiced with both Alfa and Ford engines, but raced with the Ford.
He then raced with a Alfa engine at the French GP at Paul Ricard.

Tom

[Milan Fistonic]

They left the pole position vacant at Monaco in 1994 in memory of Senna and Ratzenberger.

[Milan Fistonic]

They actually left the two front row positions vacant.

[Bob Amblard]

Hello,

Does someone possess pictures of this event ?
As long as I am looking for these pics, I never find one.

Muchas gracias.

[BRG]

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic
BRM team hoped to get Pedro Rodriguez into its spare car after he Mexican had retired early from the 24-hour race. He didn't arrive which was probably just as well as Colin Chapman was planning to protest the fact that Pedro had not completed offical practice.

Is this really true? It would surely have been an incredibly crass and tasteless thing to do at a memorial race of any sort, even more so when it was for one of your own drivers.

[SEdward]

But that's Chunky...

Edward

[Bondurand]

Reviving a very old thread...

I was wondering if since the last 7 years new info has been made available on this very "forgotten race" and some mysterious entries such as Lamplough's and Terbeck's BRM?

I searched heavily the web for years for no avail but maybe my lack of knowledge of German is a barrier?

[Tim Murray]

There's a bit more discussion about the race in this thread:

Did James Hunt really drive a BRM in 1971 ?

[Bondurand]

There's a bit more discussion about the race in this thread:

Did James Hunt really drive a BRM in 1971 ?

Thanks, I've seen this. I'm very surprised by the Lamplough connection for Ternbeck's car. Bernd was at the time a regular entry in F2 EC. A german page states :

"Im Juni 1971 erhielt das westfälische Münster einen besonderen Besuch. Der BRM-Formel 1 Wagen von Jo Siffert wurde bei Bernd Terbeck angeliefert. Wie Bernd Terbeck erwähnte, machte der Wagen damals keinen guten Eindruck. Über den Winter waren die Reifen am Wagen geblieben und somit hat sich ein „Brems“-Platten in der Winterpause gebildet. Trotzdem musste der Wagen an Ort und Stelle getestet werden. Doch wie kann ein Rennfahrer einen Wagen testen, wenn es weit und breit keine Rennstrecke gibt? Ein kurzer Anruf bei der nächsten Polizeiwache löste dieses Problem ganz unbürokratisch. Für die nächste Stunde war die Wache nicht „besetzt“ und Münster erlebte wohl die einzigartige Premiere eines Formel 1-Wagens im öffentlichen Straßenverkehr.

Kurz danach ging es zum Hockenheimring. Bernd Terbeck nahm an dem „Rindt-Memorial-Rennen“ am 13. Juni 1971 teil. Der Formel 1-Lauf zählte nicht zur Weltmeisterschaft. Mit dem BRM von Jo Siffert ging es ins Training. Doch schon in der ersten Trainingseinheit gab es einen kapitalen Motorschaden. An einen Start war nicht mehr zu denken. Da bekam Bernd Terbeck von Max Mosley ein Angebot. Beim nächsten Formel 1-Rennen sollte er einen March fahren. Der Haken an der Geschichte: Max Mosley wollte 20.000,- DM für das Rennen. Bernd Terbeck konnte jedoch nur 15.000,- DM auftreiben. Der Rest ist Geschichte: Niki Lauda bekam den March. Dies war Laudas Einstieg in die Formel 1. Sieger des Rennens in Hockenheim wurde übrigens Jacky Ickx auf Ferrari."

a google translation gives :

In June 1971, received a special visit Münster in Westphalia. The BRM Formula 1 car by Jo Siffert was delivered by Bernd Terbeck. As Bernd Terbeck mentioned, the car did not look good back then. Over the winter, the tires were still on the car and thus has a "brake" plates formed during the winter break. Nevertheless, the car had on the spot to be tested. But how can test a racing a car when it far and wide is not a race track? A quick call to the nearest police station solved the problem of red tape. For the next hour, the guard was not "occupied" and Münster experienced probably the most unique premiere of a Formula 1 car on public roads.

Shortly after it went to the Hockenheimring. Bernd Terbeck participated in the "Rindt Memorial Race" on 13 June 1971 in part. The F1-run did not count for the World Cup. By Jo Siffert BRM went into training. But even in the first training session there was a major engine damage. At a start was not to think. That's when Bernd Terbeck of Max Mosley an offer. The next Formula 1 race, he would drive a March. The crux of the story: Max Mosley wanted to 20.000, - DM for the race. Bernd Terbeck could only 15.000, - DM muster. The rest is history: Niki Lauda won the March. This was Lauda's entry into Formula 1 Winner of the race at Hockenheim was the way Jacky Ickx in a Ferrari.

source : http://www.pro-steil...rnd_terbeck.htm

This is far from being consistent with all I know about BRM cars out of Allen Brown excellent site. The mention of Siffert car is really strange.

Edited by Bondurand, 15 April 2012 - 17:05.

[Spaceframe]

The BRM of Terbeck supposedly was a P126! So to call it an ex-Siffert car was probably a bit over the top - but probably gave more columns in the German media than to admit that it really was a three-years old car

[Allen Brown]

Robs Lamplough's car
Bernd Terbeck's car