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#1 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 13:20

So after the expected dominance of a red bull car in Japan, which car will perform well in Brazil?

My first guess would be RB fastest, McLaren second as they showed they are fast enough on the non-fast corner bits to compensate for the lack of fast corner speed. after them a battle between Toyota, Brawn, Williams, Renault, FI and BMW. If the weather is hot enough and if they can manage a decent qualifying brawn will win it.

how will the bumpy track surface influence things? what will the weather be? Will Glock be able to compete?

Edited by Ruud de la Rosa, 05 October 2009 - 13:30.


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#2 Jackmancer

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 13:30

Vettel and Barrichello won't have anything to lose, while Button has everything to lose. I don't think Jenson is going to get points.
I wonder how Hamilton will perform. So far he had disasterous races here in 2007 and 2008, but that was cause of the pressure of the WDC ;-)

My guess:
1 Vettel
2 Barrichello
3 Raikkonen
4 Hamilton
5 Webber
6 Alonso
7 Rosberg
8 Heidfeld

DNF - Button & Alguersuari after first lap

Fingers cross for rain.
Anyway I hope the WDC will go down the wire to Abu Dhabi. Unknown track, anything can happen :p

Edited by Jackmancer, 05 October 2009 - 13:31.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 14:40

It should be warm, therefore Button will get heat into his tyres and win the race.

He will then proceed to walk round looking smug, even though he's a driver of very limited ability.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 14:42

McLaren should be strong.
1 long straight, everything else more or less micky mouse.

#5 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:04

McLaren should be strong.
1 long straight, everything else more or less micky mouse.


I agree McLaren should be strong, but lewis seems to disagree:

Q: Are you looking forward to going to Brazil and not being at the centre of a title fight?
LH: I'd still rather be fighting for the title, but it's going to be nice going back to Brazil this time. It's a little bit different going back there knowing I'm not challenging for the championship, because that's how it's been for the last two years. I'd love to win there at some stage. I don't think our car will be quick enough to win there, but we'll do the best job we can, keep our fingers crossed, and, who knows, maybe we'll surprise ourselves again like we did at Suzuka this weekend.


http://www.formula1....9/10/10057.html

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#6 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:05

I dont want the mcrappons again near the front :( I want variety in f1! Let toyota win ffs...

Edited by Henrytheeigth, 05 October 2009 - 15:05.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:08

Most similar track to this is Turkey, I'd say. Therefore Red Bull will definitely be competitive and Brawn should be too. I just don't know about the rest its too close to call. With good straight line speed Force India might be strong again, but could lose out on the 'Mickey Mouse' bits.

Its a short track and quali times are always very close so to be in with a chance of points Jenson really needs to get his act together thats for sure. Weather is a big unknown too. We all know what Interlagos is like in the rain. Also the start will be extremely tricky. I also wonder will the Kers cars be able to use it at the start. It is quite a short run to the first corner.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:12

McLaren should be strong.
1 long straight, everything else more or less micky mouse.


Well it's Mickey Mouse ;p but backstraight over start/finish is very long but after Senna 'S' is a straight and after turn 4 and 5 another straight. Ferra Dura is a high speed corner where you can win a lot of time. I'm not saying it's a high speed track but saying it's a Mickey Mouse track is a bit to much, they reach 260kmph 4 times in a lap.

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I reckon Red Bull has best car for this race. I don't think tempratures will be very high.

Edited by Jackmancer, 05 October 2009 - 15:13.


#9 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:32

Well it's Mickey Mouse ;p but backstraight over start/finish is very long but after Senna 'S' is a straight and after turn 4 and 5 another straight. Ferra Dura is a high speed corner where you can win a lot of time. I'm not saying it's a high speed track but saying it's a Mickey Mouse track is a bit to much, they reach 260kmph 4 times in a lap.

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I reckon Red Bull has best car for this race. I don't think tempratures will be very high.




Ferra dura is fast, but think other corners are either flat out or 2nd/3rd gear. The question is are the corners to slow for red bull to shine, or to fast for mclaren to struggle? The brawn car is a bit of a mystery to me, It used to always good, then only good in warm weather, and now it seems other teams have out developed them.

long straight should benefit McLaren's KERS, Ferrari's KERS, (and FI and brawn with high power McLaren engines?)
bumpy surface should benefit McLaren and disadvantage Toyota
1 (?) high speed corner should benefit red bull
x (?) slowish corners should benefit McLaren and brawn
temperature: highest max temperature recorded on 18october over the last 10 years is 33, lowest max temp 22. © We'll have to wait and see on that one

can someone divide the circuit into number of fast corners / medium corners / slow corners and flat out corners?


I am not sure how to interpreted the following Vettel quote:

Q: The next two races are on medium to low-speed tracks that could mean Brawn bounce back. Is that already in the back of your head?
SV: We’ve seen so many ups and downs in the course of the season, and the sure favourites at particular tracks failed to impress, so any prediction would be pure speculation. True, that kind of track as we have here in Suzuka suits our car very well, but we know the track in Sao Paolo so we can prepare well. And we have demonstrated that our car works well on high-speed tracks like here but also in low-speed street circuits with low grip as in Singapore.


Edited by Ruud de la Rosa, 05 October 2009 - 15:33.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:34

I've lost track of where the Brawns are with their performance, but between Mac and Red Bull it looks quite close, 3 aero corners (4, 6/7, 11) for RBR and 3 slow corners + the long drag uphill for the Macs.

Could be another Lewis/Seb matchup I reckon. As long as they've fixed the kers on Lewis' car.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:36

Theres alot of run off so rubens should be happy...

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:47

RedBull will suffer in the long up-hill pit straight.
With limited life engines, I believe Vettel will either blow his engine or spin Senna-like at curva da juncao.

Lewis has problems in this circuit.

Maybe Kimi - the Interlagos turtle [according to Massa fans] - with Ferrari KERS might be an option.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:47

Interlagos is far from being a medium to low speed track. Average speed is over 215 kph. In the start finish line the drivers used to reach 330 kph some seasons ago.

I'd pick Vettel for win. He shone there last year (specially during the late rainy laps) and he'd do anything for a shot at the title. Webber will certainly be assigned to provide a position in front of Brawn.

Interlagos is a tricky circuit, 'cause there's a small time difference throughout the grid (lap times around 72-75 seconds). A minor mistake and you are out of the top ten.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:55

This is not a Mickey Mouse circuit at all, it has a low speed section (turn 8 to 13) but it takes less than 1/3 of the lap time and it has it's flow whilst the rest is more in medium or high speed zone. And we'll see whether the bumps reappeared, they god rid of them one or two seasons ago.

KERS will be a huge advantage (I posted this in the Mclaren thread):

The biggest difference will come from track layout, not because of its geographical location: last (real) turn in Interlagos is a perfect way to do deploy KERS as there is a long ass easily full throttle section with a heavy a breaking just after that and to make matters better (for the KERS cars) on the first 6 (or so) seconds of said section 'up they hill they go'. Even without KERS, having a stronger engine was always making a hell lot of a difference there. So KERS car will catch the back of the car in front and then will have a long, long time to benefit from the slip stream. It will be much like Spa KERS-wise.

>can someone divide the circuit into number of fast corners / medium corners / slow corners and flat out corners

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Senna 1 and 2: heavy breaking just before that, slow and tricky, second one is faster and it's exit it's also entry to flat out three. Then a pretty long for a back-straight (often forgotten, it seems) straight, medium to low turn 4, flat out 5, short straight up the hill and two definitely fast right handers (Fera Dura, 6 and 7). Next corners, 8-11 all real-slow stuff (with the exception of 10, but it's more of a kink, easily flat out), then a flat out 12 and slow (but not as slow as 8-11) and then the circa 16 seconds flat out section, KERS paradise. Up and down all the time, this track requires a total package: efficient aero, good top speed and mechanical grip.

Edited by wingwalker, 06 October 2009 - 08:22.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 15:59

I've lost track of where the Brawns are with their performance, but between Mac and Red Bull it looks quite close, 3 aero corners (4, 6/7, 11) for RBR and 3 slow corners + the long drag uphill for the Macs.

Could be another Lewis/Seb matchup I reckon. As long as they've fixed the kers on Lewis' car.



Maybe timo will be in the mix and Lewis will return the favour :lol:

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 16:11

Senna 1 and 2: heavy breaking just before that, slow and tricky, second one is faster and it's exit it's also entry to flat out three. Then a pretty long for a back-straight (often forgotten, it seems) straight, medium to low turn 4, flat out 5, short straight up the hill and two definitely fast right handers (Fera Dura, 6 and 7). Next corners, 8-11 all real-slow stuff (with the exception of 10, but it's more of a kink, easily flat out), then a flat out 12 and slow (but not as slow as 8-11) and then the circa 26 seconds flat out section, KERS paradise. Up and down all the time, this track requires a total package: efficient aero, good top speed and mechanical grip.


so
2 fast corners, followed by braking for a slow corners. being able to carry speed trough the fast corners isn't that important.
2 medium to slow
5 slow
2 straights of which one is a whopping 26seconds.

Mclaren could well have the advantage. only downforce is the inefficient aero.




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Posted 05 October 2009 - 16:29

We should also remember that because of the altitude the power of all the engines will be around down by around 50 Bhp. The KERS is electric so it will still deliver 80BHP which will be a greater advantage when the overall horse power is down so the Ferrari's and Macca's will benefit from this.

Edited by bonjon1979, 05 October 2009 - 16:29.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 17:01

can someone divide the circuit into number of fast corners / medium corners / slow corners and flat out corners?

Insteast of saying this is a fast corner, or slow or medium. I'll be more objective and post cornering speeds.  ;)

Senna S 1 was taken at +-120km/h last year but with slick tyres it can be up to 140km/h, the second apex is faster and may be taken this at aprox 150-160km/h, T3 is easy flatout for everycar.

Turn 4 was taken previously at 150km/h, I reckon they'll take it above 160km/h this year, then T5 is as T3 easily flat out.
Turns 6 and 7 are one of the best in formula 1 (I think only Suzuka, Spa, Silverstone, Barcelona and Istanbul have corners in the same level in terms of challenge), they were taken above 235km/h in 2006,2007,2008 but with the aero reduction maybe in this such aero corner this year's car will be taking them at 220km/h or thereabouts.

From T8 to T11, the corners are all taken under 100km/h(afair) and T12 is flat out, T13 may be taken this year over 150km/h.

I don't understand how can some people call Interlagos a Mickey Mouse circuit and praise the highly overated Monza which is a boring track with it's dull chincanes. Ferradura is much more challenging than Lesmos or Parabolica.

Suzuka, Spa>Silverstone>>>>Interlagos>Monza

#19 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 17:01

We should also remember that because of the altitude the power of all the engines will be around down by around 50 Bhp. The KERS is electric so it will still deliver 80BHP which will be a greater advantage when the overall horse power is down so the Ferrari's and Macca's will benefit from this.


that's true, almost 800 meters high.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 17:15

Remember the Monza KERS-qualifying-effect? Using it out of parabolica, recharging it and then through the rest of the flying lap. IMO, it'll be even greater at Interlagos, with them carrying greater speed on the long uphill ride to the start finish line and thus gaining time until the first corner. And then they can charge it again for another long and useful boost after the last corner, gaining speed and time before the start finish line.

So I expect Hamilton and Kimi to be very strong, certain podium contenders. Barrichello and Vettel will be the other obvious candidates given their need to win or win. As for Button, he'll take the safe and steady route to score 3 or 4 points and hope Vettel doesn't win, which is who he should be more wary of.



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Posted 05 October 2009 - 17:24

Giancarlo Fisichella FTW!

#22 bonjon1979

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 17:45

that's true, almost 800 meters high.




Yep, so if Kers is 80 hp which is around 11 % extra power when the cars are running at 700 hp. Then a drop in horsepower down to 650 will mean that Kers will give just over 12% extra power. It doesn't sound that much really, I thought it'd make more difference than that!

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 17:50

Yep, so if Kers is 80 hp which is around 11 % extra power when the cars are running at 700 hp. Then a drop in horsepower down to 650 will mean that Kers will give just over 12% extra power. It doesn't sound that much really, I thought it'd make more difference than that!


Interlagos usually has some of the closest grids, the trend should continue this season. So any small difference, a tenth here and there, can mean vital grid positions and a very different race result.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 18:02

Accuweather's long term forecast suggests it isn't going to be a hot race..

http://www.accuweath...3...LO&metric=1

That said, I don't pay too much attention to forecasts that long away as they usually end up changing :p

#25 bonjon1979

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 18:02

Interlagos usually has some of the closest grids, the trend should continue this season. So any small difference, a tenth here and there, can mean vital grid positions and a very different race result.


Really good point. It's a very short lap and twenty seconds + of that is on the start/finish straight. Taking all this on board I expect the Mclaren's to go very well in qualifying.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 18:22

Hamilton walkover tbh, the long straight is tailormade for KERS and the slow corners will suit McLaren and Hamilton

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Alonso
4. Kovalainen
5. Barrichello
6. Vettel
7. Button
8. Raikkonen

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 18:26

Barrichelo is usually good at Interlagos. IIRC pole in a Stewart, almost won twice (fuel and hidraulics prevented him),

So, if Brawn is any competitive, I think Rubinho will go for a low fuel strategy to try and snatch pole. Anything from there is hope that Jenson somehow his some trouble to make things interesting for the last race as well.

But, the Brazilian GP has seen many good title-deciding races over the last few years. If the title is to be decided here again I'm ok with that.


Anyway I hope we're in for another killer, as I'll be there watching closely and cheering! :clap:

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 18:46

I am in Sao Paulo, and the weather has been very weird for this time of year. Usually should be dry (except of ocasional showers end in late afternoon) and relatively hot (high 20's C or low 30's C). Tis year we are alternating very humid low temp weeks (below 20 C) and some nice hot days (like today!). Seems like cold fronts are more severe and frequent than usually for this time of year... in summary, no idea how this year race should be.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 19:53

Barrichelo is usually good at Interlagos. IIRC pole in a Stewart, almost won twice (fuel and hidraulics prevented him),

So, if Brawn is any competitive, I think Rubinho will go for a low fuel strategy to try and snatch pole. Anything from there is hope that Jenson somehow his some trouble to make things interesting for the last race as well.

But, the Brazilian GP has seen many good title-deciding races over the last few years. If the title is to be decided here again I'm ok with that.


Anyway I hope we're in for another killer, as I'll be there watching closely and cheering! :clap:


Not sure how true this is as the stats say that Rubens has had 11 retirements in Brazil, a couple of 3rd places and a couple of low points finishes. Admittedly this may not show the true story of his potential at this track but on paper he doesn't look that strong. I expect KERS cars to go well here. Button'll try to keep his nose clean, while Rubens goes for it. I think you could be right about the low fuel strategy but think that this may compromise his race if Rubens goes too aggressive.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 20:02

Not sure how true this is as the stats say that Rubens has had 11 retirements in Brazil, a couple of 3rd places and a couple of low points finishes. Admittedly this may not show the true story of his potential at this track but on paper he doesn't look that strong. I expect KERS cars to go well here. Button'll try to keep his nose clean, while Rubens goes for it. I think you could be right about the low fuel strategy but think that this may compromise his race if Rubens goes too aggressive.

Barrichello has had some shocking luck at Brazil potential wins in 1999 and 2003 lost due to bad reliability.

In 1999 he would have got 3rd at least and in 2003 he was leading comfortably.

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 05 October 2009 - 20:04.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 20:10

I dont want the mcrappons again near the front :( I want variety in f1! Let toyota win ffs...

you are the most annoying poster on this board.


Anyway, if it's warm, I expect the Brawns to be good here, they probably won't have the same speed on the straights as the KERS cars, but they'll have better tyre longevity which will be crucial there. McLarens should be in the sniff of a podium in warm or cold conditions. The Ferraris are very much like the Brawns, only with KERS so I think they could challenge for victory. If it's wet or cold I expect Red Bull to shine.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 21:45

Remember the Monza KERS-qualifying-effect? Using it out of parabolica, recharging it and then through the rest of the flying lap. IMO, it'll be even greater at Interlagos, with them carrying greater speed on the long uphill ride to the start finish line and thus gaining time until the first corner. And then they can charge it again for another long and useful boost after the last corner, gaining speed and time before the start finish line.

So I expect Hamilton and Kimi to be very strong, certain podium contenders. Barrichello and Vettel will be the other obvious candidates given their need to win or win. As for Button, he'll take the safe and steady route to score 3 or 4 points and hope Vettel doesn't win, which is who he should be more wary of.



the 'KERS-qualifying-effect' is the most beneficial if the straight after the start/finish line is long. In Interlagos this is only between 2 and 3 seconds. So the effect of using it before the lap starts is only small. especially in comparison to monza. (start line is different as the timing loop there). I also noted the entire straight on Interlagos is only (roughly) 16 seconds long.
to quantify the benefit: top speed 314km/h, kers gives you maybe 3 km/h faster (optimistic estimate) during 3 seconds means 317kmh. -> straight after line is 314/3.6*3=261m, time to travel 261m @317 -> 2.964s so the benefit is 0.036s. (and that is using very optimistic estimates.)

(time measurements where done on online video on f1.com of pole lap from massa in 2008 with stopwatch, not the most accurate method :) The second straight is roughly 13 seconds long.)

btw found this on http://www.f1fanatic...t-information/:
Full throttle: 65%
Top speed: 314kph
Longest flat-out section: 17s (1.22km)
Right/left-hand turns: 5/10


Edited by Ruud de la Rosa, 05 October 2009 - 21:49.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 22:03

I hope Trulli's 2nd on the grid shows that both he and Toyota might be suited to the track this year. Toyota, along with Winless Nick are the two things on the grid I would most like to see break their duck.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 22:05

the 'KERS-qualifying-effect' is the most beneficial if the straight after the start/finish line is long. In Interlagos this is only between 2 and 3 seconds. So the effect of using it before the lap starts is only small. especially in comparison to monza. (start line is different as the timing loop there). I also noted the entire straight on Interlagos is only (roughly) 16 seconds long.
to quantify the benefit: top speed 314km/h, kers gives you maybe 3 km/h faster (optimistic estimate) during 3 seconds means 317kmh. -> straight after line is 314/3.6*3=261m, time to travel 261m @317 -> 2.964s so the benefit is 0.036s. (and that is using very optimistic estimates.)

(time measurements where done on online video on f1.com of pole lap from massa in 2008 with stopwatch, not the most accurate method :) The second straight is roughly 13 seconds long.)

btw found this on http://www.f1fanatic...t-information/:
Full throttle: 65%
Top speed: 314kph
Longest flat-out section: 17s (1.22km)
Right/left-hand turns: 5/10


Don't forget all the mains traight up to the start line is uphill, so kers before the line and kers on Reta Oposta could be interesting. Or even aways before the line.

Edited by saudoso, 05 October 2009 - 22:07.


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 22:16

314-317km/h??
I don't see KERS giving a top speed advantage. If the car is geared at 314km/h hitting the limiter in top gear, how will KERS make a difference?
KERS advantage is only useful under acceleration. You will get to your top speed at a quicker rate, but you wont go higher speeds than your gearing allows.-


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Posted 05 October 2009 - 22:21

If the main straight is uphill you can have a tad longer 7th gear and burst kers while uphill, on 6th or 5th. Reaching 7th earlier.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 22:33

314-317km/h??
I don't see KERS giving a top speed advantage. If the car is geared at 314km/h hitting the limiter in top gear, how will KERS make a difference?
KERS advantage is only useful under acceleration. You will get to your top speed at a quicker rate, but you wont go higher speeds than your gearing allows.-


This very topic has been discussed several times already. I agree and said in my post the 3kmh is a positive estimate. the difference will be much smaller but there is a difference. (If the cars are identical , downforce level car, gearing, everything is the same. normally cars with kers tend to use more downforce so this isn't realistic)

I also agree that if the car is geared so it hits the limiter at 314 the car can't run faster than that. but I ask you why would you gear the car to 314 when you could run 317? do you have any proof they actually limit their top speed by gearing to low on purpose?

Edited by Ruud de la Rosa, 05 October 2009 - 22:34.


#38 bonjon1979

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 23:33

the 'KERS-qualifying-effect' is the most beneficial if the straight after the start/finish line is long. In Interlagos this is only between 2 and 3 seconds. So the effect of using it before the lap starts is only small. especially in comparison to monza. (start line is different as the timing loop there). I also noted the entire straight on Interlagos is only (roughly) 16 seconds long.
to quantify the benefit: top speed 314km/h, kers gives you maybe 3 km/h faster (optimistic estimate) during 3 seconds means 317kmh. -> straight after line is 314/3.6*3=261m, time to travel 261m @317 -> 2.964s so the benefit is 0.036s. (and that is using very optimistic estimates.)

(time measurements where done on online video on f1.com of pole lap from massa in 2008 with stopwatch, not the most accurate method :) The second straight is roughly 13 seconds long.)

btw found this on http://www.f1fanatic...t-information/:
Full throttle: 65%
Top speed: 314kph
Longest flat-out section: 17s (1.22km)
Right/left-hand turns: 5/10


I think that 17 seconds is quite a long time for them to be able to do a double dose of Kers during the race especially when you consider that the lap is only 1.14 secs working off last years times. The mac and ferrari will be able to nail it before and after the finish line meaning that they'll be in a great position to overtake into turn 1 and able to defend against those behind them. It will also give them a higher speed at the start of the race, but you're right, since there is only a couple of seconds before they have to hit the brakes into turn 1 they won't get such a benefit in the qualifying.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 00:12

I remember Massa mentioning that one of the "tricky" places of interlagos is the laranjinha (right after ferradura) just because if you have an understeer car, there you can go faster than you first think, and he said the difference of that for the q day is that you gain about 10 positions. and i would assume massa knows what he's talking about, since he has been pretty dominant there. definetly a track that makes the understeering drivers happier.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 03:31

It should be warm, therefore Button will get heat into his tyres and win the race.

He will then proceed to walk round looking smug, even though he's a driver of very limited ability.

:lol:

#41 cheapracer

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 03:50

Interlagos is a track ideal for Button win or not. Its a track that requires consistantly smooth and fast without errors to get a good lap and thats Button's territory. Too many drivers attack mid lap especially at turn 8 and 11, lose momentum for the rest of the lap and of course, lose the speed buildup, uphill, entering the all important main straight.

In no order, this is a track for Hammo, Button, Rubens because of their smooth patient styles. check out the past winners there. It is not an ideal track for the attacking Vettel unless he gets into the lead early.



#42 Birelman

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 04:22

I think Red Bull will be fast in Brazil, but probably not dominant like in Japan. I think Brawn should be good enough for the podium, so, Jenson has a shot at finally wrapping it up with a third. McLaren should be ok too, at least in Hamilton's hands. Kimi doesn't do so great here in the Ferrari, so I won't expect fireworks from him, I think reaching Q3 will probably be a reallistic goal for him. Alonso does well there regularly, so, maybe he can do well and be in the top 5, or 6.

Races here with Championship implications ussually have a fair share of excitement, hopefuly we get some!! :)

#43 SPBHM

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 05:28

Interlagos is a track ideal for Button win or not. Its a track that requires consistantly smooth and fast without errors to get a good lap and thats Button's territory. Too many drivers attack mid lap especially at turn 8 and 11, lose momentum for the rest of the lap and of course, lose the speed buildup, uphill, entering the all important main straight.

In no order, this is a track for Hammo, Button, Rubens because of their smooth patient styles. check out the past winners there. It is not an ideal track for the attacking Vettel unless he gets into the lead early.


if I remember corretly Vettel did a good race in interlagos last year... 4th place, his second best result in the season...

#44 klyster

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 05:32

if I remember corretly Vettel did a good race in interlagos last year... 4th place, his second best result in the season...


Yep, he really turned on when it started raining, him and Massa were on fire.
Both Red Bulls gained a few positions, Massa took off, and Alonso did really well too.

Poor David, what a way to go out.

Edited by klyster, 06 October 2009 - 05:37.


#45 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:05

I think that 17 seconds is quite a long time for them to be able to do a double dose of Kers during the race especially when you consider that the lap is only 1.14 secs working off last years times. The mac and ferrari will be able to nail it before and after the finish line meaning that they'll be in a great position to overtake into turn 1 and able to defend against those behind them. It will also give them a higher speed at the start of the race, but you're right, since there is only a couple of seconds before they have to hit the brakes into turn 1 they won't get such a benefit in the qualifying.


they don't actually use kers when they are close to top speed. they use it during acceleration, gaining more momentum early on and therefore they are able to reach a slighter higher top speed in the end. Using it in the 3 seconds after the straight is not the most efficient.

#46 Button fanatic

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:09

I think Red Bull will be fast in Brazil, but probably not dominant like in Japan. I think Brawn should be good enough for the podium, so, Jenson has a shot at finally wrapping it up with a third. McLaren should be ok too, at least in Hamilton's hands. Kimi doesn't do so great here in the Ferrari, so I won't expect fireworks from him, I think reaching Q3 will probably be a reallistic goal for him. Alonso does well there regularly, so, maybe he can do well and be in the top 5, or 6.

Races here with Championship implications ussually have a fair share of excitement, hopefuly we get some!! :)


Traction is vital there so expect Brawn and Red Bull fight..Toyota to surprise..

#47 Phucaigh

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:15

Vettel will be fired up after the win at Suzuka. Toyota's update to the car which they introduced at Singapore and improved for Suzuka puts them in the mix to be on the podium again
Qualifying will again be crucial.

#48 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:34

Vettel will be fired up after the win at Suzuka. Toyota's update to the car which they introduced at Singapore and improved for Suzuka puts them in the mix to be on the podium again
Qualifying will again be crucial.


toyota seems to be lacking engine power, otherwise they could fight for the win, now they are fighting for podium I think

#49 GiancarloF1

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 16:27

Interlagos is a track ideal for Button win or not. Its a track that requires consistantly smooth and fast without errors to get a good lap and thats Button's territory. Too many drivers attack mid lap especially at turn 8 and 11, lose momentum for the rest of the lap and of course, lose the speed buildup, uphill, entering the all important main straight.

In no order, this is a track for Hammo, Button, Rubens because of their smooth patient styles. check out the past winners there. It is not an ideal track for the attacking Vettel unless he gets into the lead early.


Surely a track for Hamilton, he really has good memories about it, ain't he?

#50 SpeedRacer`

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 16:32

Each and every member needs to pray for rain, in a desperate hope that we get an interesting race.