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[swintex]

there are several shots of the Lotus 49

I see Hill's car has the same green inner screen arrangement as the number 21 Clark car in Luc's first picture.

Where is Luc's picture from?

For no apparent reason, the word "Tasman" has been cropping up in the corners of my (overworked!) mind today.

[RA Historian]

Still have my MkII, DN3, DN6 to play with.
Dennis

Now you got me really confused: you own a Mk.II???

I am also confused. I have thought for years that the Mk IIs were morphed into Mk IIIs. I seem to recall Peter Bryant confirming this in his book, "Can Am Challenger".
Tom

[Pedro 917]

[quote name='swintex' date='Jul 14 2010, 22:08' post='4478038']
I see Hill's car has the same green inner screen arrangement as the number 21 Clark car in Luc's first picture.

Where is Luc's picture from?

The first picture (#21) is from Spa-Francorchamps, the other two from the British GP at Silverstone.
Here's another picture from Spa 1967 (Bernard Cahier looks on) :


Copyright Ford Motor Company

Edited by Pedro 917, 14 July 2010 - 19:50.

[Alan Cox]

That's often said, but is it true? Michael Oliver's 49 book says that Hill's car had a prototype aluminium nosecone. The 33s were fibreglass.

Indeed, Michael's book quotes Dale Porteous (one of the mechanics charged with returning the crashed car to Hethel and preparing the new tub for the GP) as saying that they used a prototype aluminium nosecone which was in the workshop and which had been built as a buck for a nose which was never used. And he should know, so the Lotus 33 story does appear to be an unfounded rumour.

[Odseybod]

Indeed, Michael's book quotes Dale Porteous (one of the mechanics charged with returning the crashed car to Hethel and preparing the new tub for the GP) as saying that they used a prototype aluminium nosecone which was in the workshop and which had been built as a buck for a nose which was never used. And he should know, so the Lotus 33 story does appear to be an unfounded rumour.

So, dare I ask, which is the 'proper' 49 nose? Or are they all right, even the less aesthetically pleasing ones (provided they don't break the scales, as per Doug's post)?

Edited by Odseybod, 15 July 2010 - 16:20.

[Giraffe]

The Lotus 38 fuels up before it's very first run of the Festival supervised by Bob Dance


By giraffe138 at 2010-07-15

His Lordship prepares for that run


By giraffe138 at 2010-07-15

.....and here is Lord March on that first run


By giraffe138 at 2010-07-15

By giraffe138 at 2010-07-15

Paul Stewart poses with the Uhlenhaut Coupe


By giraffe138 at 2010-07-15

It was nice to see Neil Trundle in the paddock


By giraffe138 at 2010-07-15

[1970Mk1]

Dennis, thank you for that info. I haven't got around to answer earlier.
Now you got me really confused: you own a Mk.II???

Duc-Man,

When I sold back the Mk1 to Don Nichols, he still had one MkII chassis that was not modified to MkIII spec. Since the remaining MkII's where converted to MkIII (one is Fred Cziska's naturally aspirated one, the other the turbo version), I though it would be best to restore the remaining chassis to MkII spec. So the work is in progress and should be done by next year. We are inclined to build it to the early Mosport version, but Chaparrel Cross Ram fuel injection systems are in short supply (ie $$$$$$), so we may end up with the Laguna Seca version with vertical trumpets.

Dennis

[kayemod]

It was nice to see Neil Trundle in the paddock

And, if I'm not mistaken, chatting to Sir John Whitmore.

[mfd]

And, if I'm not mistaken, chatting to Sir John Whitmore.

In a McLaren shirt

[kayemod]

In a McLaren shirt

Yes, that confused me too, but I'm sure it's him.

[Duc-Man]

Duc-Man,

When I sold back the Mk1 to Don Nichols, he still had one MkII chassis that was not modified to MkIII spec. Since the remaining MkII's where converted to MkIII (one is Fred Cziska's naturally aspirated one, the other the turbo version), I though it would be best to restore the remaining chassis to MkII spec. So the work is in progress and should be done by next year. We are inclined to build it to the early Mosport version, but Chaparrel Cross Ram fuel injection systems are in short supply (ie $$$$$$), so we may end up with the Laguna Seca version with vertical trumpets.

Dennis

Do you mind posting photos of the work in progress? Maybe in the 'Trevor Lee Harris Shadow' thread?

But I'm still a little confused.
Peter Bryant wrote that there was one Mk.II chassis that was rebuild into the Mk.III and is now owned by Fred Cziska.
During the '72 season was a second chassis build straight away as Mk.III. That is todays turbo car.
I guess that Peter Bryant was mistaken...

It would be great to see all Shadow Can-Am car types in one place once. Hope that's going to happen...

[mfd]

Yes, that confused me too, but I'm sure it's him.

I agree with you, just wondering why!

[Peter Darley]

I agree with you, just wondering why!

No way is that Sir John Whitmore ! Do you really think he would be wearing McLaren Mercedes polo shirt and trousers?

[kayemod]

No way is that Sir John Whitmore ! Do you really think he would be wearing McLaren Mercedes polo shirt and trousers?

No way is that Sir John Whitmore ! Do you really think he would be wearing McLaren Mercedes polo shirt and trousers?

No way is that Sir John Whitmore ! Do you really think he would be wearing McLaren Mercedes polo shirt and trousers?

You've made your point, maybe you know Sir John better than I do, but it still looks like him to me. I don't think that the outfit is much to go on, anyone who so much as sat in a Mercedes at the Festival seemed to be kitted out in the full McLaren Vodafone Mercedes gear, even if they were only there for the weekend.

[David McKinney]

No way is that Sir John Whitmore ! Do you really think he would be wearing McLaren Mercedes polo shirt and trousers?

And why would he have lost a foot in height?

[Kpy]

And why would he have lost a foot in height?

..... and had plastic surgery to his nose?

[kayemod]

And why would he have lost a foot in height?

..... and had plastic surgery to his nose?

Alright, I'll admit defeat, maybe all the others with him are standing on soapboxes.

Giraffe will know who it is, he knows everyone.

[mfd]

Alright, I'll admit defeat, maybe all the others with him are standing on soapboxes.

Giraffe will know who it is, he knows everyone.

[mfd]

No way is that Sir John Whitmore ! Do you really think he would be wearing McLaren Mercedes polo shirt and trousers?

OK so if you know who it isn't - how about telling us who it is.
I'll refrain from posting this three times

[sterling49]

Photo posted on behalf of Peter Darley.

[mfd]

Jack Sears on the right - so who's the lookalike?

[ensign14]

He's done OK for himself...

[sterling49]

Jack Sears on the right - so who's the lookalike?
[/quote]


The real Sir John Whitmore............the tall one!

[Pullman99]

...but where reproducing the original nose shape is concerned 'The Eye' has been lacking, and right now, so far as the NMM is concerned, it has a running Lotus 49 which is currently costing it nothing - and that is a critical consideration these days.DCN

Was at Beaulieu yesterday - visiting Bluebird CN7 on its "birhday" - and noted this archive pic (on the wall behind the Itala inthe motorsport section) of Jim Clark aviaiting te 49 at the German GP in 1967. Comparing it to R3's nose I am not so sure that the intake is that wrong. What does look wrong is the nose angle which seems to have far less "droop" compared to its appearance in period photographs. I wonder what the views of Classic Team Lotus are on this matter as presumably a similar debate has ensued regarding R2s rebuild. Maybe, in 2012, and ossibly as a theme within an appropriate gathering, we could have a 45th anniversary gathering of all the 49s!



Lous 49 R3 at the NMM on 17th July 2010

Edited by Pullman99, 18 July 2010 - 09:38.

[1970Mk1]

Do you mind posting photos of the work in progress? Maybe in the 'Trevor Lee Harris Shadow' thread?

But I'm still a little confused.
Peter Bryant wrote that there was one Mk.II chassis that was rebuild into the Mk.III and is now owned by Fred Cziska.
During the '72 season was a second chassis build straight away as Mk.III. That is todays turbo car.
I guess that Peter Bryant was mistaken...

It would be great to see all Shadow Can-Am car types in one place once. Hope that's going to happen...

Duc-Man,

Posting a Peter Bryant designed car on a "Trevor Lee Harris Shadow" thread would not do proper service to Peter. Set up a Shadow MkII thread for all to post their thoughts and vintage photos and I will do my best to post the progress photos on the car restoration.

With regards to the chassis that we got from Don Nichols, the MkII and MkIII tubs are essentially identical, and it may be this tub was built in 1972 and not 1971, however the panels and the rivet spacing match the early 1971 photos. Don was/is not the most forthcoming individual, and may have had this tub constructed without Peter's knowledge by Pro-Fab in 71/72. Remember Nichols had already hired Tony Southgate before the end of the 1972 Can Am season (without telling Peter!!) and the commitment to constructing the 1973 DN2 Can Am came after the design of the 1973 DN1 Formula One car.

It would be far easier to make the car into a MkIII, but we felt it would be best to have a MkII configuration since the others were converted.

I share your desire to see all the Shadow cars in one place. There are about 28 different owners by my records. Should not be any more difficult than herding cats!!!!

Dennis

[Nigel Beresford]

Yes, that confused me too, but I'm sure it's him.

Rob,

it's Roy Reader, who has been a McLaren man since the early Seventies.

With best regards

Nigel

Edited by Nigel Beresford, 19 July 2010 - 07:14.

[kayemod]

Rob,

it's Roy Reader, who has been a McLaren man since the early Seventies.

With best regards

Nigel

Thanks for putting us all right Nigel, I might even have met him, but the last time I was at McLaren, he probably had dark hair.

[Nigel Beresford]

Thanks for putting us all right Nigel, I might even have met him, but the last time I was at McLaren, he probably had dark hair.

Probably blonde / reddish hair in truth. Roy was the one and only truckie for a long time.

Edited by Nigel Beresford, 19 July 2010 - 08:21.

[arttidesco]

My what an original looking Ford Escort :-)

Thanks for posting Hipperson :-)

Have you got anymore of FEV1H ?

[Hamish Robson]

FEV1H is of course the real deal - winner of the 1970 London-Mexico World Cup Rally. Retained by Ford since its victory and only brought out on very few occasions every year, to be driven by carefully selected drivers.

Shameless plug: http://www.amazon.co...d=1KRJ8PON3BDYB

Dad's latest and certainly one of his best.

Edited by Hamish Robson, 19 July 2010 - 10:40.

[sterling49]

.......another one for the collection Hamish........I dread to think how many books I have by one G.Robson!

[condor]

Just got round to putting my pics on the comp - so here's a few of the Friday TNF meet:)

Cdrewitt interviewing Bradbury West




Informal TNF team photo




Tim Murray, Ensign14, Kayemod and Roger Clark with Button in the background




Bradbury West, Odseybod and D-type



...Roger greets the late arrivals

[condor]

has anyone got any photos of FEV 1H,the winning world cup Escort from the weekend,it was ment to be going up the hill at some point

cheers

Yes

[Pedro 917]

Pictures of FEV 1H can be found on my Jalbum / Festival Of Speed 2010 : Saturday 3 July
You can find them here

[condor]

The Camel, just moments before it crashed into the straw bales the other side of the bridge.



I rather liked the paintwork on this car




Though my favorite for quirkiness was this beach Daf




Loads of top names/faces at the post prize giving champagne and cake reception. Here's Marko

[condor]

It's quite fun to have to wait before you can cross the road













Then I was allowed to cross





I wanted to get an unclutterred pic of the Alfa 4 leaf clover design sculpture, but there were always people in the way




eta Alfa

Edited by condor, 22 July 2010 - 10:10.

[kayemod]

I wanted to get an unclutterred pic of the Audi 4 leaf clover design sculpture, but there were always people in the way

Argh! Alfa!!!

[condor]

Argh! Alfa!!!

I did that on purpoise to make sure you were awake

[Doug Nye]

You have nothing to worry about.

I wrote someone else a draft speech for an Alfa Romeo function at FoS - and headed it 'Alpha Romeo'. I did. I really did. Oh my G------

DCN

[condor]

I didn't think me pretending it was a joke was I'd get away with it - even though I knew it was Alfa...Audi came into my head and that's what I posted. Perhaps I managed to get an interrupted shot then ( a few years ago) - I don't know...or the senior moments are becoming more frequent
Mea culpa