Werner Bührer and his drawings
#1
Posted 20 October 2009 - 19:52
but nothing specific on Werner Bührer and his work.
Is there a place or necessity for a thread about him on TNF ?
If not, moderator feel free to blow me into the weeds ................ I'll be off for a smoke anyway
#3
Posted 20 October 2009 - 20:08
I don't think there's ever been a book, at least not in English.
Try the thread on cutaway drawings: "The cutaway drawing and its artists".
Frank
Edited by fbarrett, 20 October 2009 - 20:10.
#4
Posted 20 October 2009 - 20:16
Try the thread on cutaway drawings: "The cutaway drawing and its artists".
Frank
Thanks Frank I will !
#5
Posted 20 October 2009 - 22:34
#6
Posted 20 October 2009 - 23:24
Cheers,
Steve
#7
Posted 21 October 2009 - 09:26
I will post the full response of Road & Track when I get something...
#8
Posted 21 October 2009 - 17:48
I just read this new thread and thought: Hmmm....the guy did some work for R&T....maybe somebody should send them an e-mail and ask? So I did. Lets wait what they answer.
I will post the full response of Road & Track when I get something...
I think I read in R&T that some of his work was actually done freehand...tremendous talent!
Dan
#9
Posted 21 October 2009 - 18:13
All of it, I would hope - how else would he have done it?I think I read in R&T that some of his work was actually done freehand...tremendous talent!
Dan
#10
Posted 21 October 2009 - 18:37
All of it, I would hope - how else would he have done it?
Tell that to the kids of today and they won't believe yuh!
What thread am I on
#11
Posted 22 October 2009 - 01:51
Tell that to the kids of today and they won't believe yuh!
What thread am I on
Thanks for the save, Alan...but I think I confused Buhrer's work with that of Yoshihiro Innomoto. Both appeared in R&T, and I tore pages out of the magazine and pasted them on my dorm walls in school...I just got the two mixed up when I heard about cutaways. ISTR Buhrer contributing a multi-page piece on the Ferrari 312t that was outstanding, and Innomoto(did I spell it right?) did some renderings of pre-war Mercedes GP cars that were incredible...he actually did the radiator cores freehand. THAT'S what I was thinking of.
Sorry, it's been a loooonngg and stressful day, and I'm going to bed.
Dan
#12
Posted 22 October 2009 - 03:51
#13
Posted 22 October 2009 - 06:15
#14
Posted 22 October 2009 - 09:36
#15
Posted 22 October 2009 - 16:30
I am pedantic - over some things - but I don't mean to sound picky. It all depends on what you mean by 'freehand'. A sketch made with only a pencil or pen, and nothing else, is truly freehand. A drawing done with the aide of a hand-held rule or straight-edge, French curves or ellipse guides is essentially freehand, but not in such a pure sense. I would suggest that Mr. Innomoto used a straight-edge, but I say this without checking the type of radiator core you are talking about. I would use a straight-edge - actually an old flourescent-yellow adjustable triangle because it was easier to hold - and add the corrugated fins, where applicable, completely freehand. Most line illustrations are a mix of techniques.Innomoto(did I spell it right?) did some renderings of pre-war Mercedes GP cars that were incredible...he actually did the radiator cores freehand.
Edited by Tony Matthews, 22 October 2009 - 20:40.
#17
Posted 22 October 2009 - 21:07
I've tried Googling but haven't really found anything
#18
Posted 22 October 2009 - 21:15
I am pedantic - over some things - but I don't mean to sound picky. It all depends on what you mean by 'freehand'. A sketch made with only a pencil or pen, and nothing else, is truly freehand. A drawing done with the aide of a hand-held rule or straight-edge, French curves or ellipse guides is essentially freehand, but not in such a pure sense. I would suggest that Mr. Innomoto used a straight-edge, but I say this without checking the type of radiator core you are talking about. I would use a straight-edge - actually an old flourescent-yellow adjustable triangle because it was easier to hold - and add the corrugated fins, where applicable, completely freehand. Most line illustrations are a mix of techniques.
I don't have the article anymore, but I believe Innomoto did the radiator cores without a straight-edge or rule. I do remember that his cutaways were incredibly detailed.
Dan
#19
Posted 22 October 2009 - 23:14
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#20
Posted 22 October 2009 - 23:41
I have sent you a PMIn a quick look through my "archives" of Road & Track, the first appearance of Werner Buhrer on the masthead was in December 1966, with a series of his drawings of the Brabham-Repco V-8 F1 car.
#21
Posted 23 October 2009 - 07:43
'Hi Frank –
I’m checking with the staff to see if anyone who works here now actually worked with Werner…I don’t think anyone currently here did, but I’ll let you know when I find out.'
Let's see where we go from here...
#22
Posted 23 October 2009 - 20:38
Here it is !!In a quick look through my "archives" of Road & Track, the first appearance of Werner Buhrer on the masthead was in December 1966, with a series of his drawings of the Brabham-Repco V-8 F1 car.
Werner Bührer’s 1966 Brabham BT19 Repco 620 3litre V8
Thanks to JB Miltonian for his scan work
Read more about BT19 here
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Brabham_BT19
#24
Posted 23 October 2009 - 23:28
Sounds like a great place for my next holidays !Yes, Marc, get back to Cutaway Land, it is safer there, and you are amongst friends who appreciate your sterling work!
#26
Posted 23 October 2009 - 23:41
Good job Duc Man, I vote you be the secretary of our thread clubI got a first response from Road & Track:
'Hi Frank –
I’m checking with the staff to see if anyone who works here now actually worked with Werner…I don’t think anyone currently here did, but I’ll let you know when I find out.'
Let's see where we go from here...
#29
Posted 26 October 2009 - 21:07
#31
Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:13
'Hello Frank –
Wm A. Motta, our Art Editor Emeritus, was able to contact Mr. Buhrer in Switzerland, and he welcomes your e-mail.
Werner was most pleased to know you are interested in his art and biography.
Mr. Motta also suggests you do an Internet search (he used Google) as he found a lot of sites with information about Werner, including many that have posted images of his artwork.
Best regards,
Jane'
I left out the mans e-mail adress on purpose. So I gonna send him a mail and ask him if he may join us here. Let's see what happens.
#32
Posted 29 October 2009 - 12:19
Would be great! Bührer's artwork certainly belongs to my favorites!
#33
Posted 29 October 2009 - 12:53
#34
Posted 29 October 2009 - 12:57
#35
Posted 29 October 2009 - 17:20
I just came across a layout Buhrer did for Road & Track - produced several F1 cars in color.
Ah !!! yes ...............and then what happened ?
#36
Posted 29 October 2009 - 17:23
I just got another response from Road & Track:
'Hello Frank –
Wm A. Motta, our Art Editor Emeritus, was able to contact Mr. Buhrer in Switzerland, and he welcomes your e-mail.
Werner was most pleased to know you are interested in his art and biography.
Mr. Motta also suggests you do an Internet search (he used Google) as he found a lot of sites with information about Werner, including many that have posted images of his artwork.
Best regards,
Jane'
I left out the mans e-mail adress on purpose. So I gonna send him a mail and ask him if he may join us here. Let's see what happens.
I'll go back Googling but up to now I haven't found much about Werner there.
Would be a dream if he joined us here.
Tony Matthews and Werner Bührer .............MAKE MY DAY !!!!
#38
Posted 30 October 2009 - 06:11
"Fuel running through roll bar!!"
Where the heck did they get those crazy ideas, back then? And what is equally silly in today's cars, as seen through tomorrow's eyes?
#39
Posted 30 October 2009 - 09:05
That could be a long list!And what is equally silly in today's cars, as seen through tomorrow's eyes?
Actually, it's only silly if you think there is a chance that you might, at some time, find yourself skating along backwards, upside down, at about 300 k's, on a long, abrasive straight with no fire-posts - yeah, it's silly! But Chapmanesque in it's lateral thinking.
Edited by Tony Matthews, 30 October 2009 - 10:52.
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#40
Posted 30 October 2009 - 13:56
Actually, it's only silly if you think there is a chance that you might, at some time, find yourself skating along backwards, upside down, at about 300 k's, on a long, abrasive straight with no fire-posts - yeah, it's silly! But Chapmanesque in it's lateral thinking.
Considering Chapman's neatly bolted-on light-weight roll-hoop,
it seems clear that the roll hoops of the 60s were never meant to roll on.
#41
Posted 30 October 2009 - 15:38
Scarey, isn't it! They were more use as a handy grip for a mechanic when pushing the car into the garage. However, I'm sure all the stresses were painstakingly worked out......it seems clear that the roll hoops of the 60s were never meant to roll on.
#42
Posted 30 October 2009 - 17:40
When the wing struts of the 49B collapsed repeatedly (eight times IIRC), they were never redesigned. Towards the very end of their existence, extra braces from the (by then rather strong!) roll hoop were added.
But those were the days. Safety took a back seat. After all, these were racing cars, light-weight constructions, which couldn't afford dragging too much dead weight along.
In spite of what we now might see as (half?) madness, I must confess that I have a particular fondness of cars such as the Lotus 49. Somehow they never looked better. A pure, simple, clean, purposeful and bold design, and uncluttered too. No wings, no commercial paint schemes, just team colors, and you could even see who the driver was, at a distance. In case you weren't so sure, you had a big white roundel woth a visible number...
Ah, where did you go, the times that I loved so much?
(Sounds like a real nostalgia post, doesn't it?)
#43
Posted 30 October 2009 - 17:56
I was covering my back! I was a big fan of Lotus, despite the many silly lapses, and have many memories of Delemare Road, Cheshunt, and later, Hethel and Ketteringham Hall. Seeing the first 25 and 49 chassis being built was very exciting.Oh I doubt it...
#44
Posted 30 October 2009 - 18:06
#45
Posted 30 October 2009 - 21:01
I can remember flipping my 100cc kart on the straight at Strijen during a Dutch national championship race.Scarey, isn't it! They were more use as a handy grip for a mechanic when pushing the car into the garage. However, I'm sure all the stresses were painstakingly worked out...
I tried to drive between the two guys ahead and forgot the width of my rear track.
I wanted to give up there and then, except my mechanic came running over, kicked my ass back in the kart,
pushed started me and yelled.......now get the hell f...ing racing again!!!you bad arse bastard !!.
I think I finished 10th or summting.
What roll hoop ???
#46
Posted 30 October 2009 - 22:51
In karting it's called a helmet. Or summting!I think I finished 10th or summting.
What roll hoop ???
#47
Posted 30 October 2009 - 22:54
that am correct !In karting it's called a helmet. Or summting!
ALARM!!! new Matthews on cutaway thread !!!!!
Edited by macoran, 30 October 2009 - 22:56.
#48
Posted 30 October 2009 - 23:06
Nyaaaahahahaaaaaaaa!!!ALARM!!! new Matthews on cutaway thread !!!!!
Edited by Tony Matthews, 30 October 2009 - 23:07.