Does anyone know how I can get in touch with Paul Sheldon, author of the "Complete Record..." series? Thanks in advance!
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The Paul Sheldon books (merged)
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Felix Muelas
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Posted 11 April 2000 - 23:02
I think the best way would be to write to him at St Leonards Press, 4 Station Road, Esholt, Shipley, West Yorkshire, UK.
This is just a guess, but I have always had the sensation that St Leonards Press might well be his own company...
:-)
Felix
This is just a guess, but I have always had the sensation that St Leonards Press might well be his own company...
:-)
Felix
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Posted 11 April 2000 - 23:29
That is correct, Felix. Betty Sheldon is the dynamo behind that part of the operation and quite an expert herself. I often wish that she would translate many of the GP reports that are in Italian into English (whatever Italian language capabilities I had are now pretty much gone) to provide a counter-balance to what many of us are exposed to from the English-speaking press. Personally, I find most of the GP reporting of the 20's & 30's, the late 40's to the late 50's in the English racing press to be usually little more than chauvinistic moaning & groaning, by Jingo. I do remember as a youngster being amazed by the vast differences in what the German, English, & Italian journals "reported" about the races. It was often difficult to realize that they discussing the same races. No English drivers or cars, or they were merely grid-fillers, no interest. Then again, some of the Italian reports were essentially the opposite side of the coin and one grew weary of all the touting of Maserati or Ferrari or Lancia to the nth degree - well, almost at any rate...
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Posted 12 April 2000 - 13:48
Thank you very much. Nice idea for a project Don! Wasn't a complete index of Motorsport enough trouble.
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Posted 13 April 2000 - 09:21
Given a choice, I would vote for the translations any day!
Until they wasted away through lack of use, I was once able to read German extremely well, Italian almost as well, and French & Spanish reasonably well (& Russian, but that is another story...). As mentioned, I grew up reading the race reports in various languages and can still recall how different some if them were - the Italian coverage of the races in the late 50's generally ignored the aspects that the British reports covered, and so on. As far as that goes, some of the contemporary reports I recall reading on the prewar events in German were pretty creepy at times....
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Until they wasted away through lack of use, I was once able to read German extremely well, Italian almost as well, and French & Spanish reasonably well (& Russian, but that is another story...). As mentioned, I grew up reading the race reports in various languages and can still recall how different some if them were - the Italian coverage of the races in the late 50's generally ignored the aspects that the British reports covered, and so on. As far as that goes, some of the contemporary reports I recall reading on the prewar events in German were pretty creepy at times....
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Posted 13 April 2000 - 13:38
OK, I'll go for the index then. Seriously, if there are people interested in such a project speak up. Maybe we can get something going.
Marco.
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Posted 13 April 2000 - 14:00
Talking about creepy German, I taped a program from local TV a couple of years back called Sieg Heil Meistershaft, which was a subtitled TV film about the 1939 Grand Prix season by the Mercedes team. It was very much a propaganda piece on about German engineering, and it was interesting the way they almost forgot to mention the fact that Dick Seaman won for them - not being German, he couldn't be used for propaganda.
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Posted 02 December 2000 - 06:22
We often mention on this forum Paul Sheldon's Grand Prix & Voiturette books and the various Fact Books, but I never have seen a complete list of the publications from St Leonards Press. I have compiled the following list, from books I have, and those I have seen mentioned elsewhere. A couple of titles are "guestimates", based on the titles around them.
Can anyone add to this list?
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1900-1925 Vol 1
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1926-1931 Vol 2
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1932-1936 Vol 3
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1937-1949 Vol 4
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1950-1953 Vol 5
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1954-1959 Vol 6
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1960-1964 Vol 7
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1965-1969 Vol 8
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1970-1973 Vol 9
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1974-1978 Vol 10
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1979-1984 Vol 11
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing Addenda Volume
A Record of South African Formula 1 Racing 1960-1975
A Record of Tasman Formula Racing 1960-1969
Formula 1 Register Fact Book British Hillclimb Championship
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1947-1952
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1953-1957
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1964-1966
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1967-1969
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1970-1972
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1973-1977
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1978-1981
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1982-1985
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1986-1988
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1989-1991
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1992-1995
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 5000 1972-1981
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1958-1963
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Tasman Formula 1964-1970/Formula 5000 1968-1971
Formula 1 Register Record Book 1966
Goodwood ???
Can anyone add to this list?
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1900-1925 Vol 1
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1926-1931 Vol 2
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1932-1936 Vol 3
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1937-1949 Vol 4
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1950-1953 Vol 5
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1954-1959 Vol 6
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1960-1964 Vol 7
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1965-1969 Vol 8
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1970-1973 Vol 9
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1974-1978 Vol 10
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1979-1984 Vol 11
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing Addenda Volume
A Record of South African Formula 1 Racing 1960-1975
A Record of Tasman Formula Racing 1960-1969
Formula 1 Register Fact Book British Hillclimb Championship
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1947-1952
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1953-1957
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1964-1966
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1967-1969
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1970-1972
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1973-1977
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1978-1981
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1982-1985
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1986-1988
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1989-1991
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1992-1995
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 5000 1972-1981
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1958-1963
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Tasman Formula 1964-1970/Formula 5000 1968-1971
Formula 1 Register Record Book 1966
Goodwood ???
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Posted 02 December 2000 - 10:51
Barry, That's so mean of you! I just have one of those and have ordered my second. Only the full RoGP&VR series is going to cost around 500 Pounds! 
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Posted 02 December 2000 - 11:21
Originally posted by Barry Lake
Can anyone add to this list?
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1958-1963
Barry,
In fact "Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1958-1963" is two different volumes :
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1958-1961
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1962-1964
Felix
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Posted 02 December 2000 - 15:40
Thanks Barry, that was a useful list. I'd been meaning to do it myself to see what was missing from my set. The one that intrigues me is the Addenda volume. I have received Addenda SHEETS, which were issued with early volumes of the Record, but I was not aware of a specific book of addenda. Can you confirm its existence and, if so, how many pages is it? If it does exist it goes to the top of my 'must have' list.
I can add a further volume to your list, its titled
Formula 1 and Formula 2 Fact Book 1979-81. I haven't cross-referenced it, but the information is probably the same as the first half of Volume 11, though it may be less comprehensive and accurate as I believe it was issued earlier.
I can add a further volume to your list, its titled
Formula 1 and Formula 2 Fact Book 1979-81. I haven't cross-referenced it, but the information is probably the same as the first half of Volume 11, though it may be less comprehensive and accurate as I believe it was issued earlier.
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Posted 02 December 2000 - 15:51
The Goodwood reference is
A Record of Motor Racing at Goodwood in 2 volumes
It was written by Robert Barker in a limited edition of 100 signed copies. It consists of 350 pages in a green binding with gold lettering and comes in a matching slip case. The price is 150 pounds.
Hey Paul, for all that publicity do I get a free copy?
A Record of Motor Racing at Goodwood in 2 volumes
It was written by Robert Barker in a limited edition of 100 signed copies. It consists of 350 pages in a green binding with gold lettering and comes in a matching slip case. The price is 150 pounds.
Hey Paul, for all that publicity do I get a free copy?
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Posted 02 December 2000 - 16:07
Tony, there were F1 & F2 Fact books for every year IIRC, before the "Black Books" appeared. They contained bare statistics with no narrative and are superseded by the newer "Record" books. I have a few as well, and without checking in detail the information is the same.
As for the Addenda, I have two copies of 83 pages each, sent to me with Volumes 9 & 10 respectively. Prior to that Paul sent me Addenda sheets as well. I did not receive any Addenda with the latest Volume, probably because I did not order it directly from Paul.
Barry, the Formula 3 Fact Book series has three volumes up to 1964, they are: 1947-1952, 1953-1955 and 1956-1962.
Looking at the list, I feel pretty blessed in that I own all of these books except the South African, Tasman, Hillclimb, F5000, Goodwood and eight of the F3 books. However, most of them are on my "want list". No need to praise them anymore!
As for the Addenda, I have two copies of 83 pages each, sent to me with Volumes 9 & 10 respectively. Prior to that Paul sent me Addenda sheets as well. I did not receive any Addenda with the latest Volume, probably because I did not order it directly from Paul.
Barry, the Formula 3 Fact Book series has three volumes up to 1964, they are: 1947-1952, 1953-1955 and 1956-1962.
Looking at the list, I feel pretty blessed in that I own all of these books except the South African, Tasman, Hillclimb, F5000, Goodwood and eight of the F3 books. However, most of them are on my "want list". No need to praise them anymore!
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Posted 02 December 2000 - 17:41
I have a copy of the Formula 1 Register Fact Book 1989 by Sheldon, Rabagliati and DeLaGorce. It is soft-covered and spiralbound. It was published in 1990, and contains the entry lists and results from all F1, Indycar, F3000 and F3 races from 1989.
The idea for this book was, according to the introduction, to act as a fill-in until the big hardbacks caught up to 1989. I'm willing to trade this book with anyone who is interested.
I was surprised to see a copy of Vol.5 (1950-1953) of the hardback series in a local used bookshop recently for sale at the princely sum of 5 UK Pounds (less than US$8). I have the proprietor's email address, so if anyone is interested, Private Message or email me, and I'll send you the details (he ships Worldwide).
The idea for this book was, according to the introduction, to act as a fill-in until the big hardbacks caught up to 1989. I'm willing to trade this book with anyone who is interested.
I was surprised to see a copy of Vol.5 (1950-1953) of the hardback series in a local used bookshop recently for sale at the princely sum of 5 UK Pounds (less than US$8). I have the proprietor's email address, so if anyone is interested, Private Message or email me, and I'll send you the details (he ships Worldwide).
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Posted 02 December 2000 - 17:45
I have just discovered that I have the remains of a previously mutilated copy of an Addenda volume.
The good news for anyone collecting Paul Sheldon's wonderful volumes is that you don't need to get all of the Addenda sheets and volumes. Each new edition simply added to the previous one, so the most recent issue has all of the corrections and additions featured in earlier versions. It even corrects earlier corrections!
The Addenda apply only to the Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing volumes. I have never seen Addenda for the Formula 3, Junior, 5000, Tasman, South African or Hillclimb books.
The good news for anyone collecting Paul Sheldon's wonderful volumes is that you don't need to get all of the Addenda sheets and volumes. Each new edition simply added to the previous one, so the most recent issue has all of the corrections and additions featured in earlier versions. It even corrects earlier corrections!
The Addenda apply only to the Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing volumes. I have never seen Addenda for the Formula 3, Junior, 5000, Tasman, South African or Hillclimb books.
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Posted 03 December 2000 - 01:13
My copy of the Addenda was published in 1995. I received it (after the usual six weeks-plus sea voyage) in May 1996.
It has 83 pages and black card covers which match the hard covers in look and size of the hard cover volumes.
I find it sheer hell to follow - and do we always remember to check it against results in the hard cover books?
Clearly, this sort of thing should be recorded electronically these days for easy updating.
I do not know whether or not there have been any addenda published since.
Thak you everyone for your contributions.
Would it not be clever for Sheldon to arrange a message posted to this forum whenever he produces something new?
It has 83 pages and black card covers which match the hard covers in look and size of the hard cover volumes.
I find it sheer hell to follow - and do we always remember to check it against results in the hard cover books?
Clearly, this sort of thing should be recorded electronically these days for easy updating.
I do not know whether or not there have been any addenda published since.
Thak you everyone for your contributions.
Would it not be clever for Sheldon to arrange a message posted to this forum whenever he produces something new?
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Posted 03 December 2000 - 09:05
Does these books show the lap times for all competitors F1 Grand Prix and major sports car races?
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Posted 03 December 2000 - 18:09
No, the Black Books don't have that information; that information is in Autocourse until about 1969 or 1970.
These I have:
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1900-1925 Vol 1
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1926-1931 Vol 2
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1932-1936 Vol 3
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1937-1949 Vol 4
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1950-1953 Vol 5
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1954-1959 Vol 6
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1960-1964 Vol 7
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1965-1969 Vol 8
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1970-1973 Vol 9
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1974-1978 Vol 10
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1979-1984 Vol 11
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing Addenda Volume
A Record of South African Formula 1 Racing 1960-1975
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1958-1961
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1962-1964
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1964-1966
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1967-1969
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1970-1972
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1973-1977
Formula 1 Register Record Book 1966
Formula 1 Register Fact Book 1989
Plus the two books on European F5000 and a few other Fact Books.
However, it all started with the John Thompson Formula 1 Record Book which covered the 1500cc years....
We all owe Paul a debt of gratitude for the hard work he and the others members of the Formula 1 Register have done. Not the least of which is his wife Betty for he dedication to The Cause.
While I haven't corresponded with them in ages, I did find them to absolutely great folks and wonderful to work with. However, the addendum material is tedious to work from to update the volumes. However, at least there is an addendum...
These I have:
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1900-1925 Vol 1
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1926-1931 Vol 2
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1932-1936 Vol 3
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1937-1949 Vol 4
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1950-1953 Vol 5
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1954-1959 Vol 6
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1960-1964 Vol 7
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1965-1969 Vol 8
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1970-1973 Vol 9
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1974-1978 Vol 10
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing 1979-1984 Vol 11
A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing Addenda Volume
A Record of South African Formula 1 Racing 1960-1975
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1958-1961
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1962-1964
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1964-1966
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1967-1969
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1970-1972
Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula 3 1973-1977
Formula 1 Register Record Book 1966
Formula 1 Register Fact Book 1989
Plus the two books on European F5000 and a few other Fact Books.
However, it all started with the John Thompson Formula 1 Record Book which covered the 1500cc years....
We all owe Paul a debt of gratitude for the hard work he and the others members of the Formula 1 Register have done. Not the least of which is his wife Betty for he dedication to The Cause.
While I haven't corresponded with them in ages, I did find them to absolutely great folks and wonderful to work with. However, the addendum material is tedious to work from to update the volumes. However, at least there is an addendum...
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Posted 24 January 2001 - 08:28
Being miserly with money (Felix will vouch for that), I was somewhat wary of paying the £55 per book asked by Chaters for the tomes by Paul Sheldon. On an off chance, I went to altavista.co.uk and the shopping bit, and clicked on books. There, I entered Paul Sheldon, and up came a list of books, including the famous Record of GP & Voiturette racing, from between £34.85 and £51.23, depending on the source (this included p&p within the UK). I recommend that you use this facility for book purchases in future.
Unfortunately, some of the titles do not give the volume number, but they do let you see the ISBN number before purchase. Here is a list of ISBN numbers to help you make you decisions:-
Vol 1, 1900-25 - ISBN 0-9512433-0-6
Vol 2, 1926-31 - ISBN 0-9512433-3-0
Vol 3, 1932-36 - ISBN 0-9512433-7-3
Vol 4, 1937-49 - ISBN 0-9512433-8-1
Vol 5, 1950-53 - ISBN 0-9512433-2-2
Vol 6, 1954-59 - ISBN 0-9512433-1-4
Vol 7, 1960-64 - ISBN 0-9512433-6-5
Vol 8, 1965-69 - ISBN 0-9512433-9-X
Vol 9, 1970-73 - ISBN 0-9526050-0-7
Vol 10, 1974-78 - ISBN 0-9526050-5-8
Vol 11, 1979-84 - ISBN 0-9526050-6-9
I've just purchased Vol 1 from http://www.specialistbooks.co.uk for £34.85 via this shopping facility, so have fun!
Unfortunately, some of the titles do not give the volume number, but they do let you see the ISBN number before purchase. Here is a list of ISBN numbers to help you make you decisions:-
Vol 1, 1900-25 - ISBN 0-9512433-0-6
Vol 2, 1926-31 - ISBN 0-9512433-3-0
Vol 3, 1932-36 - ISBN 0-9512433-7-3
Vol 4, 1937-49 - ISBN 0-9512433-8-1
Vol 5, 1950-53 - ISBN 0-9512433-2-2
Vol 6, 1954-59 - ISBN 0-9512433-1-4
Vol 7, 1960-64 - ISBN 0-9512433-6-5
Vol 8, 1965-69 - ISBN 0-9512433-9-X
Vol 9, 1970-73 - ISBN 0-9526050-0-7
Vol 10, 1974-78 - ISBN 0-9526050-5-8
Vol 11, 1979-84 - ISBN 0-9526050-6-9
I've just purchased Vol 1 from http://www.specialistbooks.co.uk for £34.85 via this shopping facility, so have fun!
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Posted 24 January 2001 - 13:34
Originally posted by Darren Galpin
Being miserly with money (Felix will vouch for that)
Darren !! You don't want me to expand on that subject, don't you? After all, we are friends...Thanks for the memories
Felix
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Posted 24 January 2001 - 14:52
Further, on http://www.whsmiths.co.uk, vol.5 can be found for £20+p&p, and vol.6 for £18+p&p, as they have 50% discount on their normal retail price at this shop. The do ship worldwide too.
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Posted 24 January 2001 - 18:20
Thank you very much for your tip, I have just gone to the W.H. Smith site and purchased a couple of these books. A very good deal and a very easy site to work with. 
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Posted 24 January 2001 - 18:30
A link also to EWA site. Currently having a 20-50% sale on books, tapes, and models. They ship internationally and I have had good luck with them so far. Not sure how their prices compare though.
http://www.ewacars.com/
http://www.ewacars.com/
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Posted 10 May 2001 - 20:13
a friend ask my where he fond the books
A record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing
of Paul Sheldon
I think it was St Leonars Press
or Formule 1 register in Esholt/Shipley
Have sombody the adres or FAX number ???
A record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing
of Paul Sheldon
I think it was St Leonars Press
or Formule 1 register in Esholt/Shipley
Have sombody the adres or FAX number ???
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Posted 10 May 2001 - 20:56
Boniver
The Sheldon books that are still in print are available from the Formula One Register...
http://www.formulaoneregister.com/
Formula One Register
St Leonards Press
Order and Distribution Dept
16 Diamond Ridge
Camberley
Surrey
GU15 4LD
Fax 01276 509620
Email: enquiries@formulaoneregister.com
Rob
The Sheldon books that are still in print are available from the Formula One Register...
http://www.formulaoneregister.com/
Formula One Register
St Leonards Press
Order and Distribution Dept
16 Diamond Ridge
Camberley
Surrey
GU15 4LD
Fax 01276 509620
Email: enquiries@formulaoneregister.com
Rob
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Posted 18 November 2001 - 03:15
The 1930 season started off with the inauguration of a race meeting at St Raphael on the coast to the West of Cannes...
Well and what about the 1928 and 1929 editions of this little French meeting ?
Esterel-Plage (St-Raphaël) 11/03/28
Racing cars up to 2 L (20 laps = 50 km)
1- Louis Chiron, Bugatti T35C 4890 #1, 39' 19" 8 (79.026 km/h)
2- Harmens, Bugatti, 18 laps - 46' 44" 8
FL- Chiron, Bugatti T35C 1' 53" 8
Racing cars up to 1500 cc
1- Prince Dimitri Djordjadze, Bugatti, 43' 43" 4 (68.702 km/h)
2- Taliet, Delfosse CIME, 45' 23"
FL- Prince Dimitri Djordjadze Bugatti, 2' 8"
Racing cars up to 1100 cc
1- Guy d'Havrincourt Salmson, 49' 31" (60.6 km/h)
FL- d'Havrincourt Salmson, 2' 4"
Racing cars up to 750 cc
1- Mouton, Mouton, 18 laps - 1h 1' 56"
2- Henri Mathieu, Mathieu (RM Speciale), 16 laps - 1h 2' 16"
sports cars up to 1100 cc
1- Jourdan, Salmson, 41' 34" (72.144 km/h)
2- Henri Signoret, Salmson, 42' 13"
FL- Jourdan, Salmson, 2' 2"
sports cars up to 3000 cc
1- Friderich, Bugatti, 43' 19" 8 (68.702 km/h)
2- Simon (or Simons), Bugatti, 45' 37"
Mt- Friderich, Bugatti, 2' 1" 4
sports cars up to 1500
1- René Dreyfus, Bugatti, 45'
Esterel-Plage (St-Raphaël) 03/03/29
Final handicap race
1- René Dreyfus, Bugatti
2- Henny de Joncy, Amilcar 1100
3- Henri Signoret, Salmson 1100
Racing cars up to 2000 cc
1- René Lamy, Bugatti 35B
2- Louis Decaroli, Bugatti
FL- Lamy, Bugatti
Racing cars up to 1500 (20 laps = 50 km)
1- René Dreyfus, Bugatti 37A
2- Deydier, Bugatti
FL- Dreyfus, Bugatti 37A
Racing cars up to 1100 cc (20 laps = 50 km)
1- Henny de Joncy, Amilcar
2- Victor Marret, Salmson
3- Bernard, Rally
FL- Henny de Joncy, Amilcar
Sports cars up to 2000 cc
1- Madame Derancourt, Bugatti
2- Simon (or Simons), Bugatti
FL- Derancourt, Bugatti
Sports cars up to 1500 cc
1- Fashion, Bugatti
DNF- Allemandou, Salmson
FL- Fashion, Bugatti
sports cars up to 1100 cc
1- Henri Signoret, Salmson
2- Leblanc, Rally
3- Pagliari, Salmson
DNF- "Samud" (Dumas), BNC
Sports cars up to 750 cc
1- Pierre Rey, Peugeot
DNF- Montefusco, Peugeot
FL- Pierre Rey, Peugeot
Organization: AMC St-Raphaël
Weather: sunny
Well and what about the 1928 and 1929 editions of this little French meeting ?
Esterel-Plage (St-Raphaël) 11/03/28
Racing cars up to 2 L (20 laps = 50 km)
1- Louis Chiron, Bugatti T35C 4890 #1, 39' 19" 8 (79.026 km/h)
2- Harmens, Bugatti, 18 laps - 46' 44" 8
FL- Chiron, Bugatti T35C 1' 53" 8
Racing cars up to 1500 cc
1- Prince Dimitri Djordjadze, Bugatti, 43' 43" 4 (68.702 km/h)
2- Taliet, Delfosse CIME, 45' 23"
FL- Prince Dimitri Djordjadze Bugatti, 2' 8"
Racing cars up to 1100 cc
1- Guy d'Havrincourt Salmson, 49' 31" (60.6 km/h)
FL- d'Havrincourt Salmson, 2' 4"
Racing cars up to 750 cc
1- Mouton, Mouton, 18 laps - 1h 1' 56"
2- Henri Mathieu, Mathieu (RM Speciale), 16 laps - 1h 2' 16"
sports cars up to 1100 cc
1- Jourdan, Salmson, 41' 34" (72.144 km/h)
2- Henri Signoret, Salmson, 42' 13"
FL- Jourdan, Salmson, 2' 2"
sports cars up to 3000 cc
1- Friderich, Bugatti, 43' 19" 8 (68.702 km/h)
2- Simon (or Simons), Bugatti, 45' 37"
Mt- Friderich, Bugatti, 2' 1" 4
sports cars up to 1500
1- René Dreyfus, Bugatti, 45'
Esterel-Plage (St-Raphaël) 03/03/29
Final handicap race
1- René Dreyfus, Bugatti
2- Henny de Joncy, Amilcar 1100
3- Henri Signoret, Salmson 1100
Racing cars up to 2000 cc
1- René Lamy, Bugatti 35B
2- Louis Decaroli, Bugatti
FL- Lamy, Bugatti
Racing cars up to 1500 (20 laps = 50 km)
1- René Dreyfus, Bugatti 37A
2- Deydier, Bugatti
FL- Dreyfus, Bugatti 37A
Racing cars up to 1100 cc (20 laps = 50 km)
1- Henny de Joncy, Amilcar
2- Victor Marret, Salmson
3- Bernard, Rally
FL- Henny de Joncy, Amilcar
Sports cars up to 2000 cc
1- Madame Derancourt, Bugatti
2- Simon (or Simons), Bugatti
FL- Derancourt, Bugatti
Sports cars up to 1500 cc
1- Fashion, Bugatti
DNF- Allemandou, Salmson
FL- Fashion, Bugatti
sports cars up to 1100 cc
1- Henri Signoret, Salmson
2- Leblanc, Rally
3- Pagliari, Salmson
DNF- "Samud" (Dumas), BNC
Sports cars up to 750 cc
1- Pierre Rey, Peugeot
DNF- Montefusco, Peugeot
FL- Pierre Rey, Peugeot
Organization: AMC St-Raphaël
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Jim Thurman
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Posted 27 November 2001 - 00:44
That got your attention
Ok, for those who have Sheldon's books, he does have a record of mid-late 60's F3 racing...correct?
If so, or through any other source, does anyone have any info on an Icelandic driver named Severir Thoroddeson. A mention in an issue of the U.S. weekly, Competition Press & Autoweek had a review of the 1966 F3 season which also had an eye toward 1967. In it, Thoroddeson was mentioned as a driver that had improved greatly during the season...so much so that based on his last half season he would be ranked as a favorite for 1967, excepting that he probably wouldn't be at the F3 level that long.
So my question, does anyone know whatever became of him? When does he last turn up? I really didn't run across mention of him after that.
Jim Thurman
Ok, for those who have Sheldon's books, he does have a record of mid-late 60's F3 racing...correct?
If so, or through any other source, does anyone have any info on an Icelandic driver named Severir Thoroddeson. A mention in an issue of the U.S. weekly, Competition Press & Autoweek had a review of the 1966 F3 season which also had an eye toward 1967. In it, Thoroddeson was mentioned as a driver that had improved greatly during the season...so much so that based on his last half season he would be ranked as a favorite for 1967, excepting that he probably wouldn't be at the F3 level that long.
So my question, does anyone know whatever became of him? When does he last turn up? I really didn't run across mention of him after that.
Jim Thurman
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David McKinney
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Posted 27 November 2001 - 06:16
You (or Competition Press & Autoweek) haven't got the name quite right. It was closer to Sverrir Thorroddsson but even that might not be quite right. I seem to remember he was around the UK racing scene a while longer, but my hazy memory doesn't stretch to what he raced - sportscars maybe?
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Jim Thurman
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Posted 28 November 2001 - 00:53
Originally posted by David McKinney
You (or Competition Press & Autoweek) haven't got the name quite right. It was closer to Sverrir Thorroddsson but even that might not be quite right. I seem to remember he was around the UK racing scene a while longer, but my hazy memory doesn't stretch to what he raced - sportscars maybe?
David, thanks. I took pains to make sure I spelled it exactly the way CP/A did.
The only info I found on him was a second or third at Enna/Pergusa and a similar finish at a Monza F3 race.
Along the lines of the thread on Roy Pike (who I realize had far greater accomplishments than the Icelandic driver), I'm always curious when a driver who has good performance or praise just sort of fades away or disappears.
Jim Thurman
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Roger Clark
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Posted 10 December 2001 - 18:33
Collectors of the Sheldon Black Books will know that Vol 3 (1932-36) is, with vol 7, much more difficult to find than the rest of the series. I heard today that Chris Knapman (Collector's Carbooks) has a copy for sale. I know this because some time ago I registered with his book search service. I have, however, since obtained a copy elsewhere. He is currently keeping it for me, but I wil let him know tomorrow that I no longer require it.
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Rob G
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Posted 10 December 2001 - 19:52
Thanks for the info, Roger.
I was very fortunate to purchase that book directly from the publishers shortly before they ran out. I believe I have #484, IIRC. One of my best-ever purchases.
I was very fortunate to purchase that book directly from the publishers shortly before they ran out. I believe I have #484, IIRC. One of my best-ever purchases.
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Rob Ryder
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Posted 30 May 2002 - 11:33
For those who are interested..
Sheldon's Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing Vol.12 is available from Millhouse Books priced at £60.
Rob
Sheldon's Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing Vol.12 is available from Millhouse Books priced at £60.
Rob
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Bugatti bourgogne
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Posted 03 July 2002 - 21:12
Hi everybody,
Is there someone here who have some of these books for sale ?
I look for Bugatti Books, Alfa Romeo 8C books (the one of Angela and the Simon Moore one's).........
I'm also looking for the Sheldon books for the 20's and 30's area....
Kind regards,
Julien
Is there someone here who have some of these books for sale ?
I look for Bugatti Books, Alfa Romeo 8C books (the one of Angela and the Simon Moore one's).........
I'm also looking for the Sheldon books for the 20's and 30's area....
Kind regards,
Julien
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Vitesse2
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Posted 03 July 2002 - 21:17
Originally posted by Bugatti bourgogne
I'm also looking for the Sheldon books for the 20's and 30's area....
Join the (long) queue Julien ....
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Bugatti bourgogne
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Posted 04 July 2002 - 11:23
as you said !!!The queue may be long..........
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Patrick Italiano
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Posted 04 July 2002 - 11:28
Try Chaters for Cherrett. The second edition may still be in stock.
Moore's 2.3 has been put on eBay with starting bids under the editor's price.
Still not cheap, but worth it.
Moore's 2.3 has been put on eBay with starting bids under the editor's price.
Still not cheap, but worth it.
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Posted 04 July 2002 - 16:02
All I can advise is check e-bay EVERY day...as to the Sheldon books...ya..right...and cheap too... 
Stu
Stu
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Hans Etzrodt
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Posted 04 July 2002 - 16:13
Search and thou shall find!
http://www.abebooks.com/
http://www.bibliofind.com/
http://www.alibris.com/
http://collectors-carbooks.co.uk/
http://www.collector...ooksinStore.htm
http://www.chaters.c...ftoken=96187996
http://www.simonlewis.com/
http://www.tavaresmotorsport.com/
http://www.editions-palmier.fr/
http://www.autoboek.com/
http://www.antiqbook.com/
http://www.amazon.co...ats-query-page/
http://www.bookfinder.com/
http://www.ebay.com/
http://www.atlasf1.c...tore/index.html
http://www.eoinyoung.com/
http://www.powells.com
http://www.motorsportcollector.com/
http://www.motorbooks.com/
http://wilkinsonsauto.com/
e-mail: autobooks@autobooks.co.uk Kenneth Ball at Autobooks Limited in England.
http://www.lesezeich...nd/motspor1.htm
http://www.abebooks.com/
http://www.bibliofind.com/
http://www.alibris.com/
http://collectors-carbooks.co.uk/
http://www.collector...ooksinStore.htm
http://www.chaters.c...ftoken=96187996
http://www.simonlewis.com/
http://www.tavaresmotorsport.com/
http://www.editions-palmier.fr/
http://www.autoboek.com/
http://www.antiqbook.com/
http://www.amazon.co...ats-query-page/
http://www.bookfinder.com/
http://www.ebay.com/
http://www.atlasf1.c...tore/index.html
http://www.eoinyoung.com/
http://www.powells.com
http://www.motorsportcollector.com/
http://www.motorbooks.com/
http://wilkinsonsauto.com/
e-mail: autobooks@autobooks.co.uk Kenneth Ball at Autobooks Limited in England.
http://www.lesezeich...nd/motspor1.htm
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Bugatti bourgogne
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Posted 07 July 2002 - 21:10
Hi,
Thanks everybody.........
I will try to go through these links..........
regards
Thanks everybody.........
I will try to go through these links..........
regards
#41
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Posted 06 November 2009 - 17:41
Out of curiosity, has anyone connected with the Formula One Register been compiling an update listing of addenda to the various Black Books over the years?
One would imagine that in many cases the need for a Mark 2 version of the original volumes, just from what has been gathered from TNF over the years much less what has surfaced from other sources.
My volumes are fairly well marked up in many cases....
One would imagine that in many cases the need for a Mark 2 version of the original volumes, just from what has been gathered from TNF over the years much less what has surfaced from other sources.
My volumes are fairly well marked up in many cases....
