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#101 pgj

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 14:57

:up:

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#102 Beatrix

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 15:07

Any guesses for livery for next season? If Philips is increasing coverage once again might be be seeing some of the light blue?

#103 highdownforce

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 15:27

Any guesses for livery for next season? If Philips is increasing coverage once again might be be seeing some of the light blue?

Probable, specially because of RBS leaving.
There are chances that Brawn's Itaipava and TNT (as seem in Brazil) may follow Barrichello.

Edited by highdownforce, 13 November 2009 - 16:06.


#104 Beatrix

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 15:58

Do RBS finish up now, or at the end of 2010 - I thought the latter?

#105 highdownforce

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 16:05

Do RBS finish up now, or at the end of 2010 - I thought the latter?

You're right, at the end of the 2010 season.

#106 seltaeb

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 16:19

I wish I could read Portuguese! :lol:

Very much looking forward to January 31st already though :).

#107 highdownforce

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 16:48

Google can!  ;)

#108 KiwiF1

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 01:36

Google can! ;)

Yes Google can, then puts it into a form of English yet to be understood by 95% of English speakers!!!!

#109 CoolFiltered

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 09:13

Williams sells stake in team


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/80242

#110 pgj

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 09:25

Will Williams move into another series too?

#111 CoolFiltered

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 09:31

Will Williams move into another series too?


Who knows ? I dont really follow Williams that closely tbh, though I think I remember reading elsewhere that either earlier this year, or late last year, they made significant changes to legal documents pertaining to the structure of the company and other legalities that might arise due to potential ownership changes, if I can recall what it was I'll post in here.

#112 ForeverF1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 09:35

Guys, can we keep the discussions in this thread to the Williams FW32 Cosworth.

There is a separate thread for the sale of equity. :)

#113 Little Leaf

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 06:20

Any guesses for livery for next season? If Philips is increasing coverage once again might be be seeing some of the light blue?


Unless a major new sponsor signs up I can't see it being much different to this years.

Will Rubens bring some sponsorship with him? Will Air Asia defect to Malaysia-Lotus?

#114 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 12:45

Unless a major new sponsor signs up I can't see it being much different to this years.

Will Rubens bring some sponsorship with him? Will Air Asia defect to Malaysia-Lotus?


Air Asia's president (I think) is involved in the Lotus team, so I imagine at some point they may defect. Don't know how long the contract with Williams is though.

#115 kosmic33

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 14:31

Will Rubens bring some sponsorship with him? ?

Of course he will!
He's hardly there for his calm, mythodical approach to racing & his team leading abilities

Jock theres something wrong with the car!!!!!

Its ok rubens its just full of petrol :|



#116 Beatrix

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 15:45

AMuS Review on Engines and James Allen's Take.

Williams lost 3 tenths per lap on average due to the Toyota compared to the Mercedes. If they had that engine, and all other things remained the same, Williams qualifying results would be much better, including 2 front rows and Nakajima making it through to Q3 many more times...

Aus NR 3 instead of 5, KN would have made it into Q3 instead of 11.
Mal NR 3, 6, KN into Q3, 12
Chi NR 7, 7, KN Q3, 15
Bah NR 9, 9, KN 11, 12
Spa NR 8, 9, KN Q3, 11
Mon NR 4, 6, KN 10, 10
Tur NR 8, 9, KN Q3, 12
GBr NR 5, 7, KN 4, 5
Ger NR 14, 15, KN Q3, 13
Hun NR 2, 5, KN 9, 9
Eur NR 6, 7, KN 16, 17
Bel NR 10, 10, KN 17, 18
Ita NR Q2, 18, KN Q2, 17
Sin NR 2, 3, KN Q3, 11
Jap NR 11, 11, KN Q2, 17
Bra NR 4, 7, KN 9, 8
Abu NR 8, 9, KN 12, 14

Yes i'm bored at work.

#117 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 04:54

AMuS Review on Engines and James Allen's Take.

Williams lost 3 tenths per lap on average due to the Toyota compared to the Mercedes. If they had that engine, and all other things remained the same, Williams qualifying results would be much better, including 2 front rows and Nakajima making it through to Q3 many more times...

Aus NR 3 instead of 5, KN would have made it into Q3 instead of 11.
Mal NR 3, 6, KN into Q3, 12
Chi NR 7, 7, KN Q3, 15
Bah NR 9, 9, KN 11, 12
Spa NR 8, 9, KN Q3, 11
Mon NR 4, 6, KN 10, 10
Tur NR 8, 9, KN Q3, 12
GBr NR 5, 7, KN 4, 5
Ger NR 14, 15, KN Q3, 13
Hun NR 2, 5, KN 9, 9
Eur NR 6, 7, KN 16, 17
Bel NR 10, 10, KN 17, 18
Ita NR Q2, 18, KN Q2, 17
Sin NR 2, 3, KN Q3, 11
Jap NR 11, 11, KN Q2, 17
Bra NR 4, 7, KN 9, 8
Abu NR 8, 9, KN 12, 14

Yes i'm bored at work.


So Williams will gain 0.6s with the Cosworth which should make them regular winners? :up: Sounds great. :clap:

0.3s (+15 hp, not using Toyotas) + 0.3s (+15hp, Cosworth is much more powerful than even Mercedes) = 0.6s ?


#118 Little Leaf

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 06:32

So Williams will gain 0.6s with the Cosworth which should make them regular winners? :up: Sounds great. :clap:

0.3s (+15 hp, not using Toyotas) + 0.3s (+15hp, Cosworth is much more powerful than even Mercedes) = 0.6s ?


-0.3s due to the extra weight they have as the Cosworth is thirstier...

Plus questions remain about the reliability of the Cosworth, hopefully won't be a problem

#119 Little Leaf

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 09:36

Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course but this decision looks like a good one, considering what happened to Fisico

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/80411

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#120 highdownforce

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 13:19

Old news, but lets go:

Rubens will live in the Williams' factory to get along with the new team Dec 5
[I've] Already managed to get a little place for my motorhome in the factory and it is already parked there, waiting for me. Sunday I'm going there to spend three days in a row within the factory passing them everything I've learned in my career and taking the opportunity to learn too. Then, I'll receive my prize for third place and go back there. I did it in Brawn and it worked.
[...]
I'm going there at the right time at the peak of my performance and also at an ideal stage for the team, that wants to return to the top. To drive for Williams was always a dream of mine: it is a team that was missing in my career. But despite all this, that the project has been going very well and everything goes well for the tests with the Cosworth engine, in February, we have to keep your feet on the ground.


Edit: [Source]

Edited by highdownforce, 07 December 2009 - 13:25.


#121 Jambo

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 17:21

Wow, took ages to find this thread!

We can't be having that now...



#122 Francesc

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 17:27

No news from the team for about a month now.... working hard for sure

#123 pacwest

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 21:10

I'm very worried about the new engine. Terrible choice.



I'm going to spend my one thousandth post on you and vociferously disagree. The Cosworth engine has been shown to be ultra competitive and potentially the best engine of the filed next year due to no limitations on current development. Cosworth has a fair bit of experience building F1 engines.

I say the team will only be let down by driver talent and other teams' superior tactics.

#124 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 22:56

No news from the team for about a month now.... working hard for sure


Rubens? :eek:

#125 Lord Snooty

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 23:06

Rubens? :eek:



:lol:

#126 Demo.

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 23:06

I'm going to spend my one thousandth post on you and vociferously disagree. The Cosworth engine has been shown to be ultra competitive and potentially the best engine of the filed next year due to no limitations on current development. Cosworth has a fair bit of experience building F1 engines.

I say the team will only be let down by driver talent and other teams' superior tactics.


:rotfl:
how do you figure that out when even the teams have not got their hands on the engine yet?
As for no limitations on development they still have to work to the same rules.
Yes we all know Cosworth have built a lot of F1 engines but they have not built any in the last few years and the engines have moved on a lot since the last time they powered an F1 car.

#127 DFV

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Posted 29 December 2009 - 23:17

:rotfl:
how do you figure that out when even the teams have not got their hands on the engine yet?
As for no limitations on development they still have to work to the same rules.
Yes we all know Cosworth have built a lot of F1 engines but they have not built any in the last few years and the engines have moved on a lot since the last time they powered an F1 car.


Would you care to elaborate on the changes in the last few years that is of such a revolutionary art that Cosworth, with the aid of at least 4 of their former engineers that they have gotten back from Mercedes, isn't going to understand?

Yes, they have to work to the same rules, which lays down a few basic guidelines and limits. The rest of the engines are having to deal with those regulations with a engine from 2006, designed for other limits. Cosworth, while using their 2006 engine as a basis, can make fundamental modifications and changes to that engine that the others cannot (Cosworth can do this as they are considered a new engine supplier). This means that Cosworth has the potential to avoid some of the compromises the others have to deal with. And on top of that the 2006 Cosworth was considered the best engine of the season, so even without the modifications they are allowed to do, Cosworth would arguably have the best base engine for the current rules.

#128 whatto999

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 07:46

Williams made a pretty good job this year with their chassis, i can see them be at least very good again in 2010.

#129 korzeniow

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 07:29

http://twitpic.com/w49kr

#130 potmotr

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 17:56

http://twitpic.com/w49kr


Just the picture I was looking for!

Thanks man, Rubinho looks sharp.

#131 WebBerK

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 00:03

Good'ol Rubens working out hard in his preps to 2010 season. :wave:

http://esportes.terr... da Disney.html

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The brazilian completed the 21km of The Disney Marathon in 1h55min, standing 1,668th among 17,099 competitors that finished the event. :eek:
The temperature was around 1º Celsius.
Luciano Burti finished 1380º.
"

I wish I had such a performance. :|

Go Rubens, GO :clap:

#132 seltaeb

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 16:45

That is excellent! I can't believe it has been so cold in Florida lately. On Rubens' Twitter page, every picture he has posted over the holidays has shown ski-weather type clothing in Florida! He should have come here to California! It has been 70-75 Fahrenheit lately.

I can't wait to see Rubens in the FW32!

#133 Exar Kun

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 01:15

I'm still waiting for Williams to get an inspirational driver again. I'm not Rubens is the guy - he will bring a lot of valuable experience to the team, though. They'll be up against it this year with Merc, Fez, Mac & RBR all bound to be competitive. Hopefully this Cosworth engine works wonders and that the team really has two drivers who are capable of scoring points.

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 10:37

Good'ol Rubens working out hard in his preps to 2010 season. :wave:

http://esportes.terr... da Disney.html

"
The brazilian completed the 21km of The Disney Marathon in 1h55min, standing 1,668th among 17,099 competitors that finished the event. :eek:
The temperature was around 1º Celsius.
Luciano Burti finished 1380º.
"

I wish I had such a performance. :|

Go Rubens, GO :clap:

I'm somehow disappointed by this result. A time of 1h55min in a 21 km race is below average. I would expect a 1h30min (it's about 4m30s per km!) for a person supposedly fit!!!

Edited by 4ren, 11 January 2010 - 10:38.


#135 rmac923

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 20:38

http://twitpic.com/w49kr


I thought RBS was no longer sponsoring Williams?

Oh and Rubens looks sharp in white, again. :cool:

Edited by rmac923, 11 January 2010 - 20:38.


#136 Dudley

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 23:05

I thought RBS was no longer sponsoring Williams?

Oh and Rubens looks sharp in white, again. :cool:


They're locked into this year.

#137 pingu666

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 05:07

I'm somehow disappointed by this result. A time of 1h55min in a 21 km race is below average. I would expect a 1h30min (it's about 4m30s per km!) for a person supposedly fit!!!


given his finishing position, he would of been in a great big pack of people at a guess

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 07:28

I'm somehow disappointed by this result. A time of 1h55min in a 21 km race is below average. I would expect a 1h30min (it's about 4m30s per km!) for a person supposedly fit!!!


OT but...
:up: but we dont know if he was just running for fun in a public event, or making a performance challenge like Jenson Button's :drunk:

1.55 is really poor for a relative young man well prepared (as he is suposed to be).

drivers may not need to have such running rhythm

#139 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 11:17

Engines ready to ship:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/80810

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 12:30

I'm somehow disappointed by this result. A time of 1h55min in a 21 km race is below average. I would expect a 1h30min (it's about 4m30s per km!) for a person supposedly fit!!!

Don't worry, he'll be quicker than that when he's in the Williams.

BTW, I always thought that the point of a car was that it negated the need to run (or walk, or stagger).

#141 Lord Snooty

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 13:10

Engines ready to ship:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/80810




:clap:




#142 pgj

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 13:32

There is talk that RBS may extend. They have done with other sporting commitments. It is just part of its marketing budget.

I see that Cosworth has announced that its first batch of engines is ready to ship. READ

#143 werks prototype

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 13:39

Nice and quiet at Williams. Somethings brewing.

#144 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 14:37

Somethings brewing.


Milk and two please.

#145 Mauseri

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 14:44

I'm somehow disappointed by this result. A time of 1h55min in a 21 km race is below average. I would expect a 1h30min (it's about 4m30s per km!) for a person supposedly fit!!!

Ruben's bodystructure (heavy bones) isn't great for a long distance runner. I think JPM is similar, and he was unfairly called fat for his muscles and bones :up:

#146 Lord Snooty

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 15:31

Milk and two please.




:D

Either that or SFW & Patrick have decided to take on Brakspears


Come to think of it, a pint of 'Special FW14B Brew' sounds rather ok....

:up:

#147 WebBerK

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 15:56

Nice and quiet at Williams. Somethings brewing.

Last year Williams was quiet too and surprised the F1 world with their DDD version, alongside BrawnGP and Toyota.

However their aerodynamic was providing too much drag in high speed circuits and added to the Toyota engine, made them slip back in the ranks at the end of season.

Edited by WebBerK, 13 January 2010 - 15:59.


#148 werks prototype

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 16:10

:D

Either that or SFW & Patrick have decided to take on Brakspears


Come to think of it, a pint of 'Special FW14B Brew' sounds rather ok....

:up:


If anyone has currently got that good vibe about all thing Williams. Have you seen the Williams Cutaways on the Nostalgia forum Cutaway thread by Tony Matthews? Good grief! I guarantee if you have not already seen them they will blow your mind. Perfection incarnate! Cockle warming ahead of the pre-season tests.

http://forums.autosp...w...751&st=3360 post 3370. There is a genius in our midst!

#149 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 17:33

:D

Either that or SFW & Patrick have decided to take on Brakspears


Come to think of it, a pint of 'Special FW14B Brew' sounds rather ok....

:up:


Perhaps a sponsorship opportunity? http://www.williamsbrosbrew.com/

#150 KiwiF1

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 06:36

If anyone has currently got that good vibe about all thing Williams. Have you seen the Williams Cutaways on the Nostalgia forum Cutaway thread by Tony Matthews? Good grief! I guarantee if you have not already seen them they will blow your mind. Perfection incarnate! Cockle warming ahead of the pre-season tests.

http://forums.autosp...w...751&st=3360 post 3370. There is a genius in our midst!

I always have a good vibe about Williams, you just never know from one season to the next how they will perform and I still live in hope that we will return to some glory, this season I would settle for some podiums and feel the glory!!!!