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#301 Levike

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 09:40

The car is beautiful, and fast-looking ! I hope it will be a winner !

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#302 Rinehart

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 09:43

Second new car, and it ALSO has a Red Bull nose.

Something tells me Red Bull are going to cream everyone this season.


If everyone copies Red Bull this season effectively, then RedBull are the ones who will lose their advantage!!!

#303 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 09:46

You've got to be having a laugh haven't you, Hulkenberg is a great unknown for F1, he could win all the titles in the word in the lower series, but as we've seen, some rookie drivers just can't perform as well on the grand stage of F1. I'd think, as Rubens is a proven race winner, and actually won two races last year, he'll be the guy to take the car to a race win. We've also seen how Rubens has made the best out of some poorer cars over the years, taking it to respectful positions.

How people can just rub off Rubens, and make random 'Hulkenberg will win' statements is beyond me, let's see how he is when the season starts. Kind of the shows the typical ignorance of the anti-Rubens attitude.

Hulkenberg's GP2 season can be compared to Hamilton's and as we saw when a driver of that caliber gets in a car that can win races, he does. Hulkenberg is another special driver, wait and see.

#304 DFV

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 09:50

But teams could still get data from shakedowns right? Such as how the gearbox and engine work.


Yes they get data. Just as they get data when firing up the engine and checking the gearbox at the factory.

As long as the teams are allowed to do promotional running, like Williams have done here, there should be no problem.

#305 DFV

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 09:52

If everyone copies Red Bull this season effectively, then RedBull are the ones who will lose their advantage!!!


Not necessarily. Maybe in 2010 all cars will look like the RB5, except for the RB6...

Edited by DFV, 29 January 2010 - 09:53.


#306 Rinehart

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 09:54

Well we will se thar very soon. The main problem for Cosworth is the reliability.


I would bet my house and trousers that the FIA has made absolutely sure that the Cosworth engine will be competitive and reliable - its probably a copy of one of the existing engines.

It would totally undermine Max's efforts (which appear to be part of the Todt regime too) to drive down costs and drive out manufacturers - if the 'cheap engine' option (stipulated for new entrants) is uncompetitive and unreliable.

I think its an absolute cert that it will be a competitive drivetrain.

#307 KiloWatt

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 09:56

Car looks fast and will win two races with Hulkenberg.


Really? Wow. Good to know. Are you sure it's precisely two races though?

What's your opinion on the JFK assassination, btw?

 ;) :wave:

#308 Rinehart

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 09:57

Not necessarily. Maybe in 2010 all cars will look like the RB5, except for the RB6...


Sure, but there is a theory of diminishing returns that says that each evolutuion of a concept will bring smaller gains as you get closer to perfection...!

#309 lorca

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:01

Williams have named Mika Hakkinen-managed Finn Valtteri Bottas as their 2010 test driver.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:05

Really? Wow. Good to know. Are you sure it's precisely two races though?

What's your opinion on the JFK assassination, btw?

;) :wave:


Now don't be silly, he can tell the future not dissect the past

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#311 DFV

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:07

I would bet my house and trousers that the FIA has made absolutely sure that the Cosworth engine will be competitive and reliable - its probably a copy of one of the existing engines.

It would totally undermine Max's efforts (which appear to be part of the Todt regime too) to drive down costs and drive out manufacturers - if the 'cheap engine' option (stipulated for new entrants) is uncompetitive and unreliable.

I think its an absolute cert that it will be a competitive drivetrain.


You are not seriously believing that? Do you think that the other engine suppliers would accept that? And how many people at Cosworth etc. would have to keep quiet about just using the drawings from Mercedes to build their 2010 engine and to keep that information secret from the rest of the world?

The CA 2010 is a modified version of the CA 2006 engine. The CA 2006 was widely regarded as one of the best engines of the 2006 season and was the first F1 engine to test and race at 20.000rpm. The Mercedes was one of the most unreliable and low on power engines in the early parts of 2006. Their engine only became powerful and relaible after they recruited engineers from Cosworth in the later parts of 2006 (the Mercedes could well have become successful without the Cosworth engineers and it might have been just coincidental that the Cosworth guys arrived at the same time as the engine improved).

For 2010, Cosworth have had the opportunity to improve on the 2006 engine and have recruited back quite a few of their former engineers.

And Cosworth have actually prevented a further decrease in engine costs for 2010 by not agreeing to limit the amount of engines available to 5 per driver per season. Cosworth wasn't confident about meeting the reliability requirements needed for just 5 engines. That's why the teams will still have 8 engines in 2010 and also increasing the cost of engines.

If the Cosworth is good, it's because Cosworth have done a good job.

I can recommend this thread if you want more info on the 2010 Cosworth: http://forums.autosp...howtopic=114022

Edited by DFV, 29 January 2010 - 10:17.


#312 Mastah

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:09

Williams have named Mika Hakkinen-managed Finn Valtteri Bottas as their 2010 test driver.


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/81111

Good decision :up:.


#313 Rinehart

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:17

You are not seriously believing that? Do you think that the other engine suppliers would accept that? And how many people at Cosworth etc. would have to keep quiet about just using the drawings from Mercedes to build their 2010 engine and to keep that information secret from the rest of the world?

The CA 2010 is a modified version of the CA 2006 engine. The CA 2006 was widely regarded as one of the best engines of the 2006 season and was the first F1 engine to test and race at 20.000rpm. The Mercedes was one of the most unreliable and low on power engines in the early parts of 2006. Thei engine only became powerful and relaible after they recruited engineers from Cosworth in the later parts of 2006 (the Mercedes could well have become successful without the Cosworth engineers and it might have been just coincidental that the Cosworth guys arrived at the same time as the engine improved).

For 2010, Cosworth have had the opportunity to improve on the 2006 engine and have recruited back quite a few of their former engineers.

If the Cosworth is good, it's because Cosworth have done a good job.


Yes, I do. I think that anyone of Honda, Toyota, BMW or less likely but still possibly Renault could have a seriously compelling reason to have sold their technology blueprint... As I say, I would put my house on the fact that Cosworth have DETAILED knowledge of a contemporary engine and that may very well have been assisted further by the FIA.



#314 DFV

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:22

Yes, I do. I think that anyone of Honda, Toyota, BMW or less likely but still possibly Renault could have a seriously compelling reason to have sold their technology blueprint... As I say, I would put my house on the fact that Cosworth have DETAILED knowledge of a contemporary engine and that may very well have been assisted further by the FIA.


Well, Cosworth have engineers that come from Mercedes and probably other engine manufacturers as well (but most of them actually worked at Cosworth until 2007). So I would expect that, just as the other manufacturers have gained knowledge from the engineers they recruit, Cosworth have also gained their experience and knowledge. However I can't see that the FIA, after Liegate, would seriously consider handing out blueprints from other manufacturers. Or that Renault would sell their IP. Or that Cosworth would be interested in the IP from Honda or Toyota...

And what do you regard as the difference between a "contemporary" engine and the 2006 versions?

However this belongs in the Cosworth thread: http://forums.autosp...howtopic=114022

Edited by DFV, 29 January 2010 - 10:24.


#315 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:22

do we know if they have push or pull in the back?

#316 PayasYouRace

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:29

Williams have named Mika Hakkinen-managed Finn Valtteri Bottas as their 2010 test driver.


Is he any good? I've read the name before but I don't know much about him?

#317 tommi34

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:31

He was 3rd placed @ Formula 3 euro series last season.

#318 PayasYouRace

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:35

He was 3rd placed @ Formula 3 euro series last season.


Thanks. He must be reasonably good at least.

#319 Beatrix

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:37

Valtteri's website

He is managed by Mika and... Toto Wolff...

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#320 noikeee

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:40

That's a great move by Williams, Bottas is a big prospect.

#321 Vids21

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 10:43

He was 3rd placed @ Formula 3 euro series last season.


True, and considering is was his rookie season, where he won the Masters of Formula 3 it looks like Williams again has a huge talent signed.

#322 WebBerK

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 11:09

Posted Image

Can't see yet where the exhaust exits.

Can't see either.
There is no black kevlar zone on the body to deflect the heat from exhaust gases.

But I do see a diagonal volume under the sidepod cover between the radiator and the rear wheels, that seems to be consistent with an exhaust pipe.
So we can conclude that the Williams FW32 contender has the McLaren Soprano solution.
That means the exhaust pipe exits must be part of the DDD/extractor. :clap:

Fingers crossed, bcs McLaren dropped it and it might overheat the gearbox or burn the engine cover. :well:

#323 f1rules

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 11:26

another
http://www.xpb.cc/vi...e.asp?id=348930

#324 f1rules

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 11:28

that looks really nice

#325 F.M.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 11:29

Red Bullish rear

#326 roadie

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 12:02

Yeah, it does look good, but how desperately do we need higher res photos!? I can't believe that Autosport broke the story with a low res photo and are still to put the high res version in the gallery. The rear third does look very slim and Red Bullish. It looks like the most handsome car the team has built for a long time.

#327 LDK

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 12:05

Certainly looks like a nippy car... I think this and the McLaren are pretty aggressive in terms of design... Ferrari seemingly not... but then, what can we tell until testing starts really?

Looking forward to seeing what the new Williams can do in the hands of Rubens and Nico!

#328 Rinehart

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:20

DFV, re conversation about Williams engine, apparently in the wrong thread! Lets just say I am 100% certain that the Cosworth engine will be competitive and forget about why.

Fuel efficiency and drivability (with a shifting car weight/balance) will be the keys next season. I expect the engine power to be less of a differentiator.

#329 Lord Snooty

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:24

another
http://www.xpb.cc/vi...e.asp?id=348930



That looks pretty damn good.


Ruby & the Hulk must be dead keen to get to grips with it now.....

:clap:

#330 ApexTomi

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:30

That came as a surprise to hear that Bottas has been signed as Williams' test driver! Good choice.

He has to modify a lil bit his future plans...
on Bottas' website his future aims were (at the start of last year):

2009 - F3 Euro champion
2010 - GP2 champion
2011 - F1 race/testdriver

so this year anything other than winning the F3 Euro championship is a disappointment.

#331 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:38

another
http://www.xpb.cc/vi...e.asp?id=348930


Dimensions : 3504x2336 pixels
Picture size : 23.42 MBytes

where is the full version?

#332 f1rules

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:43

if only i knew :) its a picture agency, im sure you can buy

#333 One

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:47

Looks Great, Will it be reliable enough for Rubinho or Nico get the podion often this year? Exhaust... Is it not at the side wall of side pod, close to the rear tyre? Not a logical place to mount it... unless Patrick fond new tyre warmer... (burner :drunk: )

Edited by One, 29 January 2010 - 13:48.


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Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:50

another
http://www.xpb.cc/vi...e.asp?id=348930

Have to say, the Williams looks neat and tidy as well.

Edited by Timstr11, 29 January 2010 - 13:50.


#335 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:54

Looks Great, Will it be reliable enough for Rubinho or Nico get the podion often this year? Exhaust... Is it not at the side wall of side pod, close to the rear tyre? Not a logical place to mount it... unless Patrick fond new tyre warmer... (burner :drunk: )


I don't think the tyres need addition heating this year. :)

#336 One

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 15:26

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Good looking car. Looks better than the Ferrari.
I like the low rear.
The radiator entries are high, like Mac and Brawn last year.
Can't see yet where the exhaust exits.



i cannot really see it nor recognise it, but what is above the white texts written on the side of the side pods, just in front of rear tyre? Is the place a little bit darker..?

#337 highdownforce

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 15:44

i cannot really see it nor recognise it, but what is above the white texts written on the side of the side pods, just in front of rear tyre? Is the place a little bit darker..?

Bridgestone, I guess.

#338 One

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 15:56

thanx...

I think that the helm of the Nico is pretty much sticking high up on the air...

#339 highdownforce

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 17:07

thanx...

I think that the helm of the Nico is pretty much sticking high up on the air...

You're welcomed!
I've just noticed that the steering wheel is pretty high too.

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#340 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 17:21

That looks pretty damn good.


Ruby & the Hulk must be dead keen to get to grips with it now.....

:clap:


I am actually in love with that rear end :love:

#341 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 17:23

so this year anything other than winning the F3 Euro championship is a disappointment.


Feels weird as a Williams fan that I'll be supporting his team mate.

#342 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 17:27

Yep probably the best looking one so far... while I like the McLaren...I cannot stand the daft looking shark fin covers...

Be interesting to see what the Virgin beast looks like..and Wirth's grand scheme..

#343 One

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 17:51

You're welcomed!
I've just noticed that the steering wheel is pretty high too.



Is he sitting on a some kind of rubber sofa fill up with... I can't imagine myself but knowing it is Patrick who bosses the design... :eek:

#344 F.M.

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 18:15

It's weird to see the rearwing without supports in the middle. Looks like it is just put on the car and isn't integrated in the design. But that's just optical ofcourse.
Have they gone for an early Red Bull type of diffuser, with the RWEP directly connected to the diff?

#345 Xaus

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 18:19

Is he sitting on a some kind of rubber sofa fill up with... I can't imagine myself but knowing it is Patrick who bosses the design... :eek:

um, he's turning the wheel. The wheel is turned into a fully vertical position.... like any other F1 car the side is going to pop up.

And the seat position looks fine?

#346 Timstr11

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 18:27

Tweet from Williams: https://twitter.com/...atus/8367799930

Sam Michael reports that there were no problems with the FW32 yesterday and the Cosworth engine is looking really strong



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Posted 29 January 2010 - 18:44

It's weird to see the rearwing without supports in the middle. Looks like it is just put on the car and isn't integrated in the design. But that's just optical ofcourse.
Have they gone for an early Red Bull type of diffuser, with the RWEP directly connected to the diff?

FW31 revised rear wing
Old stuff.

Tweet from Williams: https://twitter.com/...atus/8367799930

I've seen that too. We just need to know how strong it is.

Edited by highdownforce, 29 January 2010 - 18:49.


#348 intothepits

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 18:54

Something really interesting on Claire Williams background on her twitter...

You see those notes in the background?

'Nico fastest lap: 1.42.11
'Rubens fastest lap: 1.41.75'

'Qualifying results

1st. Rubens Barrichello
2nd. Lewis Hamilton
3rd. Nico Hulkenberg'

Interesting... Regardless of if it's just some background mock-up. Could show an insight into the team as to what they possibly expect.


and in regards to how strong, he thinks it looks really strong.

#349 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 19:01

FW31 revised rear wing
Old stuff


That has a central pillar though, the new one doesn't appear to.

#350 dank

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 19:49

As just tweeted by Jonathan Noble:

(blatantly a bit of viral marketing - but good to see the car all the same)

Edited by dank, 29 January 2010 - 19:51.