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[zepunishment]

Just been looking at a few pics of the 2008 cars, and although torro rosso outperformed their sister team last year, from a business point of view, is there really a case for running a second team with such a livery? Looking at it in pictures, I do like it, but on tv, its pretty impossible to make out....just kind of seems like a big red blob down the side of the car. I know that red bull aren't allowed to run all 4 cars in the same colours, but it does seem like a bit of a waste really...apart from the front wings its difficult for the uninitiated to make out just who the sponsor is....anybody think differently?

[dimoose]

Totally agree.
I've always hated the way the Torro Rosso paint job looks on TV.

I reckon that the one of the Red Bull teams should be the light blue that red bull have on their cans, and the other team can stay the same. At least that way there's no confusion between the two teams.

Edited by dimoose, 12 November 2009 - 00:29.

[Captain Tightpants]

As good as the scarlet bull looks, I can see Toro Rosso moving to carrying Red Bull Cola branding for 2010 in keeping wth their newfound identity as a constructor in their own right.

[V8 Fireworks]

Obviously they have changed their mind and rectified it this season. Needn't have bothered, the wins have dried up for the Toro squad!

The silver and black "Give you wings" rear wing was originally a lot clearer Red Bull branding than the hard-to-identify logo squished onto the rear wing of the main RBR car... so they may have deemed this a sufficient identifier. Anyhow, every knows it is a Red Bull team anyway.

[Captain Tightpants]

Buemi looks rather stunned to be in Formula One ...

[zepunishment]

Buemi looks rather stunned to be in Formula One ...

bourdais looks surprised to still be in formula 1....

i agree that the cola brand would be a much more worthwhile livery for them next year...being that they have to build their own chassis next year, is it really worth the expense?

[raiseyourfistfor]

Ugh, that just shows how much better the car looks without the shark fin

[auto_luv]

Buemi looks rather stunned to be in Formula One ...

hahah I know eh

And yeah the paint job does look pretty bad!

[auto_luv]

Buemi looks rather stunned to be in Formula One ...

hahah I know eh

And yeah the paint job does look pretty bad!

[FPV GTHO]

They may end up with Repsol on the car somewhere next year

[V8 Fireworks]

They may end up with Repsol on the car somewhere next year

And Renault extensively branded on the RBR unit. The big patches of yellow will look very smart if it happens

[BullHead]

And Renault extensively branded on the RBR unit. The big patches of yellow will look very smart if it happens

The patches of yellow are the first thing I look at to tell the Red Bull from the Toro. Don't confuse me again please

[Dulok]

I'd like to see them go with the silver livery the way they did with the second car in NASCAR. I really don't think people would confuse this silver for the McLaren's chrome livery.

[Avrilf1]

Totally agree.
I've always hated the way the Torro Rosso paint job looks on TV.

I reckon that the one of the Red Bull teams should be the light blue that red bull have on their cans, and the other team can stay the same. At least that way there's no confusion between the two teams.

Like your idea of Torro Rosso being Red Bull Lite!

[BullHead]

They definately need to change their base colours if they insist on keeping the massive "Red Bull" logo sidepod stickers. RB and TR in action do look too alike at first glance. I like the silver car idea. (or "chrome")

[Imperial]

Red Bull the drink seems to have gone and got itself all confused the way it's F1 team got confused and decided to pointlessly have two teams.

A janut into any petrol station or motorway-services in the UK will now reveal that not only can you buy regular Red Bull (which is frankly hideous without the addition of 3 inches of vodka straight from the freezer) you can of course buy Red Bull Cola (tried it and to be honest if I want to waste money on something as teeth-destroyingly grotesque as cola then I want a cola that tastes like a cola, not a cola that tastes like a mouthful of flowers) but now you also have those ridiculous Red Bull energy shots!!!

I was at the Powered by Mercedes Benz event at Brooklands on Sunday and when we stopped during the 5 1/2 drive home the missus wasted money on one of these things - it actually cost more than a regular Red Bull but is about 1/5 the size. I of course had a taste and erm...it's just Red Bull. Bizarre.

It looks like the drinks-side of the operation is however now taking it's inspiration from the racing-side.

[dank]

Red Bull the drink seems to have gone and got itself all confused the way it's F1 team got confused and decided to pointlessly have two teams.

A janut into any petrol station or motorway-services in the UK will now reveal that not only can you buy regular Red Bull (which is frankly hideous without the addition of 3 inches of vodka straight from the freezer) you can of course buy Red Bull Cola (tried it and to be honest if I want to waste money on something as teeth-destroyingly grotesque as cola then I want a cola that tastes like a cola, not a cola that tastes like a mouthful of flowers) but now you also have those ridiculous Red Bull energy shots!!!

I was at the Powered by Mercedes Benz event at Brooklands on Sunday and when we stopped during the 5 1/2 drive home the missus wasted money on one of these things - it actually cost more than a regular Red Bull but is about 1/5 the size. I of course had a taste and erm...it's just Red Bull. Bizarre.

It looks like the drinks-side of the operation is however now taking it's inspiration from the racing-side.

The Red Bull shots contain more caffeine than a normal can of the stuff and is easier for drivers to drink on the go etc. It serves a purpose and they're not the only ones jumping on that particular bandwagon.

[Imperial]

The Red Bull shots contain more caffeine than a normal can of the stuff and is easier for drivers to drink on the go etc. It serves a purpose and they're not the only ones jumping on that particular bandwagon.

If you ask me any driver buying that stuff is just a pussy who cant handle a proper coffee without needing to stop 30 miles later to have a pee.

[Ruud de la Rosa]

If you ask me any driver buying that stuff is just a pussy who cant handle a proper coffee without needing to stop 30 miles later to have a pee.

caffeine is a dehydrant. Red Bull has caffeine as well so it will give the same effect as coffee.

[Victor]

The Toro Rosso livery always looked as a butcher livery to me. I simply cannot look at that red bulb without associating it to a piece of meat.

[ch103]

on the Scuderia Torro Rosso paint scheme.

I would like them to incorporate their ties to Ferrari but not use the Red or the Prancing horse. Im not sure how it could be done, but I think that would be pretty cool.

The still image of the TR bull looks cool, but the blue and red blend into a purple, at racing speeds, which doesnt look like a good purple.

The Red Bull Cola Red is the connecter perhaps?

The RBR colors like awesome though.

[Imperial]

caffeine is a dehydrant. Red Bull has caffeine as well so it will give the same effect as coffee.

Myth.

[dank]

Myth.

Go on...

[dank]

Oh and can nobody spell 'Toro Rosso' correctly on these boards?

[Beatrix]

Was it Murray Walker who said the Toro Rosso looked like it had a jar of strawberry jam strewn down the side of it? I think in one of the earlier versions of the livery...

[Ruud de la Rosa]

Myth.

very insightful, exactly the sort of post this board needs, well thought of, argumentative and adding to the discussion

[wingwalker]

To me painting looks way too much like Red Bull car, it's annoying.


edit: I know this exactly what they want.

Edited by wingwalker, 13 November 2009 - 11:40.

[Rob]

Go on...

Coffee does dehydrate, but it takes out less than it puts in, so you get a net gain in hydration, albeit a very small one.

[lustigson]

Red Bull should opt for something like this:



Much like Larrousse did with Kronenbourgh sponsoring in 1994:

[dank]

That ^ proposed Red Bull livery makes baby Jesus cry.

The current Red Bull livery is perhaps one of the best looking at the moment. It looks sleek and is instantly recognisable, though I do concede that some effort should be made to make the Toro Rosso one for next year look somewhat different. Thought to be honest, I've never had a problem recognising who is who and for Red Bull, they'll want to get as much exposure as possible, so I doubt we'll see a Red Bull Cola branded Toro Rosso next season for example

[Rob]

They could always do a silver version of the Red Bull livery, like the NASCAR team does.

[dank]

They could always do a silver version of the Red Bull livery, like the NASCAR team does.

But then what do you do with that to make it look different to say McLaren? You couldn't do what they've done in DTM with the much smaller surface area of an F1 chassis?

[Simon Arron]

[Bouncing Pink Ball]

That lower image is, IMO, too busy for a moving object. The upper one is actually rather nice, though I'd simplify that rear wing graphic some...

Too bad the RB teams (since they are both RB, essentially) can't just be painted identically and called a four-car team, with an A and a B squad, and be done with it. That or, as others have said, do up TR with a grey or RB cola livery.

(edit: I forgot half my post. Oops.)

Edited by Bouncing Pink Ball, 13 November 2009 - 14:27.

[steph90]

Well they are building their own car next year so hopefully they will be allowed their own livery:P
I always like STR and their livery so hoping for a good year in 2010!

[BullHead]

Red Bull should opt for something like this:



Much like Larrousse did with Kronenbourgh sponsoring in 1994:

hang on, it's not rb that needs to change, but tr

[lustigson]

hang on, it's not rb that needs to change, but tr

I know, but Red Bull (the brand) call the shots at Toro Rosso, don't they?

[wingwalker]

I know, but Red Bull (the brand) call the shots at Toro Rosso, don't they?

I totally forgot about it, what's the status of TR? Do they have to come up with their own car for 2010?

[dank]

I totally forgot about it, what's the status of TR? Do they have to come up with their own car for 2010?

Yes. Keep up dear!

[zepunishment]

has anyone got a pic of the nascar scheme?

[highdownforce]

has anyone got a pic of the nascar scheme?

Check the official web site.

[johnmhinds]

Edited by johnmhinds, 16 November 2009 - 19:22.

[Bbbut]

With Mercedes GP being the new silver arrow and McLaren possibly keeping some silver elements I don't think the Nascar gray scheme would be a good choice.
I my opinion they should either go with the light blue from their "sugar free" version or add the red from the cola.