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[koepchenfan]

Hello,

Is several bmw or historic racing books I see pictures about BMW 501/502, and 2000 CS cars at race tracks without any desciption, or just very minimal info like 'it was a clubrace event' without any year, track, etc information.

My question is if these cars ever raced in real race from 1952 - 1970 ? Like hill climb, rallye, touring car races, etc.

Thank you.

[Carles Bosch]

On the 2000 cs I'm not pretty sure, but both the 501 and 502 models participated in several international rallys by the mid '50ies.


Carles.

[Frank de Jong]

The only result I have for a 2000 cs is in the Netherlands, 1967: http://homepage.mac....gweekeinde.html, a non-championship race at the traditional practice weekend before the 1967 Dutch season. Don't know anything more on the dRiver or the car - could well be a street car.

Edited by Frank de Jong, 20 November 2009 - 15:28.

[uechtel]

Rallye Monte Carlo 1954, driven by Loof/Wencher.

[David McKinney]

Rallye Monte Carlo 1954, driven by Loof/Wencher.

Not a race...

[Tuboscocca]

Rallye Monte Carlo 1954, driven by Loof/Wencher.

AND: Arthur Heuberger (CH) 1957 Mille Miglia (race#410) 28.oa. (BMW 502)
Regards Michael

(and from own memories: up to the early/mid 60s 502 were raced in (German)hillclimbs, mostly towing cars to fill-up the categories!!)

[koepchenfan]

Thank you!

[Jesper O. Hansen]

But at least the 2000 CS was the base car for the touring car of the 1970s - followed by an imaginary collection of 2800 CSs, 3.0 CSis, CSLs...

Jesper

[Frank de Jong]

That's true, although I never read any article describing the similarities between the two...

[ray b]

same basic car 2000cs had the 4 banger
2800 thru 3500 had the 6 and a nose restyle

I almost bought a 2000csa passed as the car was missing int bits
had very bad brakes was a slushbox and slow/heavy vs the 1800ti I was driving

[uechtel]

Not a race...

The question did explicitely include rallyes...

1954 ADAC Winter Rallye, Loof / Wencher again, BMW 501
1956 Rallye Monte Carlo, #253 Heinz Jacobi / Hans Zimmer, BMW 502
1956 Nürburgring, touring cars over 2.5 l: 1st Besier
1956 Austrian Alpine Rallye 1st Wolfgang Denzel, BMW 502
1957 Rallye Akropolis, #29 BMW 501, driver unknown
1957 Gaisberg hillclimb 1st Dr. Pilhatsch, BMW 502
1959 Wallberg hillclimb Alex von Falkenhausen, BMW 502
1963 Happurg hillclimb, #85 Joachim Lehmann, BMW 502

[David McKinney]

May apologies, Uechtel

I was going by what he said in his first sentence, which specifically referred to "tracks"

[Carles Bosch]

Some additional participations:

'54 Rallye Monte-Carlo:
#367, Wilhelm Glöckler / Heinz Meier, 501, 58th o/a
#366, Walter Scheube / Alfons Ostermann, 501, 85th o/a

'54 Rallye Wiesbaden:
Ludwig Kraus / Dr. Heinz Schwind, 501, 2nd o/a (1st class 1301-2000cc)
Hans Wencher / Erwin Behringer, 501, 3rd o/a (2nd class 1301-2000cc)
Wilhelm Glöckler / Honore Wagner, 501, 7th o/a (3rd class 1301-2000cc)

'55 Rallye Monte-Carlo:
#236, Prinz Paul Metternich / Count Von Kickebusch, 501, 43rd o/a
#210, Wilhelm Herz / Chwatt, 501, 143rd o/a

'55 ADAC Rallye Nürburgring-Wiesbaden:
Alfons Vossen / Friedrich Schorlemmer, 502, 6th o/a
Alex & Kitty von Falkenhausen, 502, 7th o/a
Günther Kolwes / Alfred Katz, 502?, 9th o/a
Erwin Behringer / Rolf Stahlschmidt, 501, 10th o/a (1st class 1601-2000cc)


More additions, later...


Carles.

[Carles Bosch]

More stuff...


'55 Rallye Adriatique:
Georg Meier / Hans Wencher, 502, 3rd o/a (1st Touring Cat., 1st Over 2000cc Class)
Dr. Heinz Shwind, 502, 6th o/a (3rd Touring Cat., 2nd Over 2000cc Class)

'55 Liège Rome Liège:
#31, Prinz Paukl von Metternich / Count von Kickebusch, 502?, 18th o/a (9th Over 2000cc Class)


More results, later.


Carles.

[Carles Bosch]

More participations found of 502's BMW...


'56 Rallye Sestriere:
Wolfgang Gutbrod / Dr. Heinz Schwind, 502, 2nd o/a

'56 Rallye Wiesbaden:
Dr. Heinz Schwind / Wolfgang Gutbrod, 502, 10th o/a

'57 Rallye Solitude:
Erwin Bauer / Manfred Trinkner, 502, 1st Touring Over 2000cc Class

'57 Rallye Deutschland / Nürburgring - Wiesbaden:
Leopold von Zedlitz / Rolf Hahn, 502, 1st o/a

'57 Tour de France:
#42, Prinz Paul von Metternich / Count von Einsiedel, 502, DNF

'57 Rallye Wartburg:
Leopold von Zedlitz / Rolf Hahn, 502, 2nd o/a

'58 Rallye Monte-Carlo:
Hans-Joaqchim? Walter, 502, classified

'58 Rallye Solitude:
Leopold von Zedlitz, 502, 2nd Touring Over 2000cc Class


... and I've found also this on the 2000 cs theme:

'67 Rallye Monte-Carlo:
#156, Pierre Maublanc / Claude Ballot-Léna, 2000 cs, 18th o/a


Carles.

[Frank de Jong]

I have two entries for the BMW 502:
Peter Therstappen, 1962 German F1 support race, 5th overall
Albert Phuhl, 1965 Flugplatzrennen Trier, 5th in class

[koepchenfan]

Thank you !