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[tyrrellp346wheels]

Hi there, quite new to the forum, i am really interested in finding images or any information about formula 3000, especially in 1985 - 1986 era . Any images or information would be really helpfull

[kayemod]

Welcome, but it seems you're so new that you haven't found the 'Search' function yet.

[tyrrellp346wheels]

i would like to know any information regarding the chasiss used in 1985 and 1986.
So far i have found out that in 1985 there was the March 85b, williams fw08, AGS JH20, Lola t950, Ralt rt20 and the arrows a6
and in 1986 i have so far only been able to find that there was the march 86b, lola t86/50 that where new that year

I would really like to know if there was any more chassis used in the two years and also images if possible (especially the lola t950)

Any help would be greatful

[rateus]

i would like to know any information regarding the chasiss used in 1985 and 1986.
So far i have found out that in 1985 there was the March 85b, williams fw08, AGS JH20, Lola t950, Ralt rt20 and the arrows a6
and in 1986 i have so far only been able to find that there was the march 86b, lola t86/50 that where new that year

Off the top of my head, Barron ran an old F1 Tyrrell 012 in 1985, while '86 saw brief appearances (in qualifying at least) by Minardi and Monte Carlo chassis. The latter was based on the old Dywa Aurora F1 chassis that was entered for the first race of '85 but 'disappeared down a ravine' (Autosport) en route.

Oops, forgot the RAM 04 that ran for the first part of '86 and at least got into a few races.

Edited by rateus, 23 November 2009 - 22:07.

[Peter Morley]

i would like to know any information regarding the chasiss used in 1985 and 1986.
So far i have found out that in 1985 there was the March 85b, williams fw08, AGS JH20, Lola t950, Ralt rt20 and the arrows a6
and in 1986 i have so far only been able to find that there was the march 86b, lola t86/50 that where new that year

I would really like to know if there was any more chassis used in the two years and also images if possible (especially the lola t950)

Any help would be greatful

I've got the Marlboro press packs here from 1986 & 1987 (e.g. cover 1985 & 1986 results).

I think you've got all the 1985 cars
But the works Ralt was an RB20 (B for Bridgestone - teams could choose Bridgestone or Avon tyres).

For 1986 (when they could only run Avon tyres) you have:
March 86B
Ralt RB20 (Cosworth engine = last years car)
Ralt RT20/86 (Honda = Judd engine)
Lola T86/50
AGS JH20B
RAM 04 (= 03?)

For 1987 you also have:
March 87B
Lola T87/50
Ralt RT21/87
Dallara 30/87

[Simon Arron]

Rateus is also correct about the Minardi and Monte Carlo.

Bruno Corradi drove the Team Adolfo Minardi M3085 in qualifying at Mugello and the Österreichring, although I'm sure I also remember seeing it in the paddock at Pau. That might be my memory playing tricks.

The Monte Carlo 001 managed one very slow lap during practice at Imola in '86 and Fulvio Ballabio might still be out there, attempting to complete a second, for all I know.

[rateus]

Bruno Corradi drove the Team Adolfo Minardi M3085 in qualifying at Mugello and the Österreichring, although I'm sure I also remember seeing it in the paddock at Pau. That might be my memory playing tricks.

There was one race where the Minardi turned up but its engine didn't according to Autosport. At work atm so can't check if the race in question was Pau, but looks like your memory is fine

[tyrrellp346wheels]

Thanks for the info. Cant believe i forgot about the tyrrell 012 in 1985.

Didn't know about the montecarlo but i do remember that autosport this year mentioned that the RAM was crashed in practise for one race by i think phillipe alliot (silverstone)?

was the minardi based on there formula 1 car or there formula 2 car?

Still struggling to find an image of the 1985 lola, i think it was based on a cart indy car and i think was driven by johnny dumfries at some stage.

Thanks for all the information, its all going towards a school project, more info or images would be gratefully recieved

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 24 November 2009 - 16:11.

[Gerald Swan]

The T950 in pre-season testing at Silverstone, not one of Lola's more successful designs .

Gerald.

[rateus]

was the minardi based on there formula 1 car or there formula 2 car?

The Minardi F3000 car was originally launched alongside their first F1 car (with Alfa engine) sometime in 1984 so I'd be pretty confident that it was a direct descendent of the F2 car. iirc the initial idea was to use a modified Lamborghini Jalpa V8 engine, but like the Alfa-engined F1 this combination was never run officially - I doubt the Lambo even made it into the chassis.

You're right about Alliot crashing the RAM at Silverstone - qualifying was wet and he wrapped it round a catch-fencing pole. The car did re-emerge for Eilseo Salazar later that year.

[rateus]

Gerald's photo clearly illustrates why the Lola T950 was a disaster - the hulking great indycar monocoque they recycled.

Mind you, any pre-season photos of 1985 F3000 cars are almost collector's items in themselves - hardly anyone was ready and Autosport's practice report lists tale after tale of teams turning up at March's factory the week prior to the race, finding their new cars were still in bits, and working all-nighters to get them running in time. Lola, ironically, were ready in good time - things went rapidly downhill from there...

[tyrrellp346wheels]

The T950 in pre-season testing at Silverstone, not one of Lola's more successful designs .

Gerald.

Fantastic image, the only decent picture of the lola i have found on the internet

it was a disaster as i believe it was to heavy to compete against the marches and ralts

thank you

[tyrrellp346wheels]

I have also found out that a car called the tarres dcl01 was built for f3000 in 1985 but their wasn't a budget.

this like the lola seems to be a bulky car

Any more information about f3000 in the early 80's would be welcomed especially images

thanks

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 24 November 2009 - 17:26.

[F3000man]

Hi there, quite new to the forum, i am really interested in finding images or any information about formula 3000, especially in 1985 - 1986 era . Any images or information would be really helpfull

I'll try to contribute with what I've got in my archive.


Richard Dallest's AGS in Pau 1986


Russell Spence, Birmingham 1986. A March 86B (?).


Ivan Capelli's March 85B in Valelunga 1985.


Alain Ferté's Lola T950, 1985.


James Weaver and his RAM, 1986.

[tyrrellp346wheels]

Fantastic images F3000man


The RAM photo is great and will really help me but is it a RAM 03 or 04
Also what team is james weaver driving for and what track and year is it ?

Also the photo of the lola is great as i have had difficulties finding images of the lola

anymore info and images especially would be gratefully recieved

thanks for your time

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 24 November 2009 - 18:55.

[ReWind]

F3000 results you will find at the Racing-Database.

Put your cursor over "Formulae New" and click on "F3000".

[tyrrellp346wheels]

thanks

surprised to know that it was the works RAM team james weaver was driving for .

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 24 November 2009 - 19:11.

[retriever]

Welcome, but it seems you're so new that you haven't found the 'Search' function yet.

Not exactly the right welcome to someone new to the forum - just the right put-down to dampen enthusiasm!

As regards the Lola T950 - what an ugly machine.

Edited by retriever, 24 November 2009 - 22:36.

[tyrrellp346wheels]

I was wondering if any one had any images of the arrows a6 used by roger cowman racing in 1986.

It was driven by Slim Borgudd i think and the only image i have been able to find so far is the one on the forix site but i would like a photo witch shows the side of the car more (if possible )

Any other images or information of formula 3000 in the early 80's would be very helpfull

the lola 0f 1985 isn't my favourite looking race car either!

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 24 November 2009 - 20:56.

[Simon Arron]

Between 1985 and 2004 I attended all but two FIA F3000 races (missed Enna 1986 due to house move and Valellunga 1991 due to very heavily pregnant wife) - and I also went to the non-champonship races at Curaçao ('85) and Kyalami ('95). I had more or less given up taking photos before then, unfortunately, but might be able to help with a few facts and details.

[bigears]

Now you mentioned Curacao. What was it like?

Did you see any potential for the tiny country to host a proposed F1 race in 1986?

[tyrrellp346wheels]

Between 1985 and 2004 I attended all but two FIA F3000 races (missed Enna 1986 due to house move and Valellunga 1991 due to very heavily pregnant wife) - and I also went to the non-champonship races at Curaçao ('85) and Kyalami ('95). I had more or less given up taking photos before then, unfortunately, but might be able to help with a few facts and details.

any information would be very helpfull

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 24 November 2009 - 21:45.

[Simon Arron]

Now you mentioned Curacao. What was it like?

The circuit had very few redeeming qualities, but the ambience was good. At one pre-race party, Ivan Capelli turned up with a wrist in plaster to wind up team boss Cesare Gariboldi. Most race folk stayed in the same hotel, but I ended up in a smaller, beachside residence with Roger Cowman Racing and Avon. At the end of the weekend, the hotel manager waived all charges for drinks, use of beach towels etc etc because he wanted us all to return in 1986. I wish that had been an option. The locals in Willemstad were wonderfully hospitable. One of the weekend's best bits was a touch less friendly - a daft argument about track protocol, while dicing for about 307th place, sparked a post-race punch-up between team-mates Aldo Bertuzzi and Fulvio Ballabio...

any information would be very helpfull

I could write several tomes on the topic - and already have, here and there - but if you have any specific questions I'll try to assist.

[Thundersports]

Mr Weavers Helmet clearance on the Ram's Roll bar looks very marginal...........A Lola T950 was "raced" in Euroboss a 6-7 years ago by the late Bernie Harris to very little affect other than to frighten me every time I set eyes on it. It had a DFR bodged in it.

[canon1753]

A DFX or DFS would probably fit alright.....

[Rob29]

1986 F3000 series was upgraded from 'European' to 'International' with the addition of Curacao plus 2 rounds at Interlaglos but all 3 were cancelled-series remained in Europe.Don't remember a F3000 race at Kyalami,but there was a non-championship one at Buenos Aires in 1992.

[nigel5]

Mauricio Gugelmin, 1986 with the JPS colours

[Peter Morley]

Hi there, quite new to the forum, i am really interested in finding images or any information about formula 3000, especially in 1985 - 1986 era . Any images or information would be really helpfull

You might want to get a copy of Gerard Gamand's new Autodiva magazine (it will come out 4 times a year) issue no. 1 has an article on 1985 & 1986 F3000 with some nice photos (so it doesn't matter if you can't read French!), several Marach 85Bs (including my Danner car), Tyrrell 012, Ralt RB20 & Lola T950.

There should be details of how to get the magazine on the www.autodiva.fr website (you might also find some images on the F3000 section of their forum).

[F3000man]

The circuit had very few redeeming qualities, but the ambience was good. At one pre-race party, Ivan Capelli turned up with a wrist in plaster to wind up team boss Cesare Gariboldi. Most race folk stayed in the same hotel, but I ended up in a smaller, beachside residence with Roger Cowman Racing and Avon. At the end of the weekend, the hotel manager waived all charges for drinks, use of beach towels etc etc because he wanted us all to return in 1986. I wish that had been an option. The locals in Willemstad were wonderfully hospitable. One of the weekend's best bits was a touch less friendly - a daft argument about track protocol, while dicing for about 307th place, sparked a post-race punch-up between team-mates Aldo Bertuzzi and Fulvio Ballabio...


I could write several tomes on the topic - and already have, here and there - but if you have any specific questions I'll try to assist.

As you are here, Simon, can you say something about drivers that only attended a weekend and then disappeared, like Urs Dudler and Walter Voulaz? It's quite impossible to find something about them in internet.

[Simon Arron]

1986 F3000 series was upgraded from 'European' to 'International' with the addition of Curacao plus 2 rounds at Interlaglos but all 3 were cancelled-series remained in Europe.Don't remember a F3000 race at Kyalami,but there was a non-championship one at Buenos Aires in 1992.

The cancelled Brazilian races would have taken place at Goiana and Curitiba, if memory serves. I was invited to the Buenos Aires race, but unable to attend. Jan Lammers (Vortex) won at Kyalami.

No real insight on the twin topics of Messrs Dudler and Voulaz, I'm afraid. Part of the series' appeal was that you were never quite sure who might turn up from weekend to weekend - and it was no surprise that many of them vanished after a DNQ or three.

[helioseism]

A series of annual F3000 yearbooks was published from 1987 to 1993, and these have numerous photos. The first one in the series also covered 1985 & 1986. The lead author for all years was Stephane Barbe, and they are not hard to find. There are three at abe.com right now.

[ebeneezer2]

Hi Simon, I was a big F3000 fan, could probably ask you about 100 questions on it but can only think of a couple right now. Firstly, (following on from another recent thread) can you tell me anything about Guido Knycz? Basically, how on earth did he get to drive for the previous season's champion team (Crypton) in 1993, and in general do you think drivers like that (and others e.g. Paolo Delle Piane, Vittorio Zoboli, though I'm not picking on Italians specifically) were all aiming to be Formula 1 drivers? Secondly, a lot of people here lament the fact that feeder series have all become one make, but I'm sure I remember a lot of support for the idea of it becoming one make while it was still multi-chassis. From memory, what would you say was the prevailing view during the 85-95 era?

[Richard Jenkins]

Vittorio Zoboli, were all aiming to be Formula 1 drivers?

Well, definitely, in his case. He was a F1 test driver & came close to landing a F1 seat in the early 1990's - and has done alright in recent years in GT's & the Porsche Supercup. Personally, I thought the aim of athe vast majority of racing drivers who go into F3000 would be to make it into F1 or some other higher formulae. Otherwise, what's the point of being in there in the first place?

Edited by Richie Jenkins, 25 November 2009 - 16:25.

[ebeneezer2]

Well, yes, I'd have though the vast majority did, I'm just wondering if some of those that always seemed to run near the back were treating it as a bit of a laugh, or whether they were taking it dead seriously but just couldn't go any quicker.

[Simon Arron]

I could probably ask you about 100 questions but can only think of a couple right now. Can you tell me anything about Guido Knycz and, in general, do you think drivers like that (and others eg Paolo delle Piane, Vittorio Zoboli, though I'm not picking on Italians specifically) were all aiming to be Formula 1 drivers? Secondly, a lot of people here lament the fact that feeder series have all become one make, but I'm sure I remember a lot of support for the idea of it becoming one make while it was still multi-chassis. What would you say was the prevailing view during the 85-95 era?

Sorry, I really can't add much about Knycz. Quite recently I mentioned him to Colin Bennett, who ran him in the UK, and he chuckled about his former recruits's serial hopelessness. Some of the guys at the back genuinely believed, though, that they weren't winning because of some recurring car problem. The team manager would listen to them bleating to me for five minutes and then call me over to look at a telemetry trace, which usually revealed that Driver X was braking for the third Enna chicane before he'd reached the second... Some of the excuses at the back were just as creative as those at the front - and delivered with the same indignant self-belief - but one or two did it purely for fun: James Taylor springs particularly to mind. He just enjoyed driving fast cars, although he was better suited to Interserie - where he was passably competitive against like-minded individuals. When guys like he or Knycz ended up with a seat, it was almost always a matter of financial necessity on the team's part. A rich second driver was irreversibly useful, not least because some of their funds could be siphoned off to assist somebody faster in the other car - then again, that's the same in almost every career formula and has been since Camille Jenatzy was in shorts.

The one-make proposal was first mooted, I believe, during the early 1990s. Lola and Reynard were against the idea, but there was pressure from higher authorities. In 1994 (I think) I had lunch with Adrian Reynard and Nick Langley (now Dallara, then Lola), specifically because they were keen to discuss ways to keep the category open. They felt homogeneity would stifle the development of drivers and engineers, but the FIA wanted to make it cheaper and more accessible, to ensure that more decent drivers filtered through. That didn't keep James away, though...

[tyrrellp346wheels]

Mauricio Gugelmin, 1986 with the JPS colours

Thanks for the images, this will really help me with my art project at school as i am especially looking for images with a side view of the cars.

Still looking for an image of the roger cowman racing arrows a6 of 1985 so if any one has any that would be very gratefull.

Thanks guys!

thanks again

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 25 November 2009 - 22:18.

[tyrrellp346wheels]

You might want to get a copy of Gerard Gamand's new Autodiva magazine (it will come out 4 times a year) issue no. 1 has an article on 1985 & 1986 F3000 with some nice photos (so it doesn't matter if you can't read French!), several Marach 85Bs (including my Danner car), Tyrrell 012, Ralt RB20 & Lola T950.

There should be details of how to get the magazine on the www.autodiva.fr website (you might also find some images on the F3000 section of their forum).

Checked out the website and its full of great images, ill will look out for the magazine.

Thanks for the help

Any more images would be gratefully recieved

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 25 November 2009 - 21:16.

[Thundersports]

My God Tyrrell! You gave me a fright when I first read you last post; I thought it said you wanted an image of Roger Cowman!!!! I think it is a tad unfair to knock Zoboli as I thought he was pretty competitive not in the same bracket as deli Pain.

[nigel5]

Ram, Mike Thackwell 1986

[nigel5]

1991 : "Il Barone Rampante", with Alessandro Zanardi

Hockenheim


Spa


Pics by Patrick Beckers.

Edited by nigel5, 26 November 2009 - 09:00.

[ebeneezer2]

Thanks for the info Simon - I've just had a look at the Speedsport site to see some of the drivers Colin Bennett used, some pretty obscure ones among them (Daniel Champeau and Enrico Debenedetto, anyone?) and a few career pay drivers like Amati and Delle Piane. He was fairly busy on the technical front in 1988: he ran a Reynard 88D, a Lola T87/50, a March 88B and a March 87B all in the same season! About the story of backmarkers blaming the car, is it long enough after the event to put any names to the stories?

Nice picks nigel5, IBR 1991 is one of my favourite liveries. I actually saw that race, you did well to get a photo of Zanardi on the road with an undamaged car!

[F3000man]

Thanks for the info Simon - I've just had a look at the Speedsport site to see some of the drivers Colin Bennett used, some pretty obscure ones among them (Daniel Champeau and Enrico Debenedetto, anyone?) and a few career pay drivers like Amati and Delle Piane. He was fairly busy on the technical front in 1988: he ran a Reynard 88D, a Lola T87/50, a March 88B and a March 87B all in the same season! About the story of backmarkers blaming the car, is it long enough after the event to put any names to the stories?

Nice picks nigel5, IBR 1991 is one of my favourite liveries. I actually saw that race, you did well to get a photo of Zanardi on the road with an undamaged car!

You just have mentioned Danny Campeau, I come here to ask: there was, some time ago, a belgian website with very good photos of the Zolder race of the 1988 F3000 championship. Amongst them, there were photos of Danny Campeau's CBR and Eric Bellefroid's Colt. I remember I saved all of them in my old PC which, unfortunately, had a problem in its hard disk and I sadly lost everything. I went back to Google to try to find again that site but it seems to be closed. Does anybody out here have photos of both Campeau or Bellefroid?

[tyrrellp346wheels]

Ram, Mike Thackwell 1986

Fantastic image nigel5 , this will really help me in my art project at school. Is it a RAM 03 or 04 and is it same RAM James Weaver drove because it looks different.

Also does any one no where the photo was taken and what year?

Also while on the internet i found an image of a march 85b being driven by someone called Pierre Chavuet at silverstone in 1985, he didn't start the race and i was wondering why, was it a lack of sponsers because there wasn't a signal sponser on the car, also what team was he driving for?


Any more images of f3000 in the early 80's would be very helpfull, thanks again

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 26 November 2009 - 17:36.

[F3000man]

Fantastic image nigel5 , this will really help me in my art project at school. Is it a RAM 03 or 04 and is it same RAM James Weaver drove because it looks different and if you know where was it the photo taken and what year was it.

Also while on the internet i found an image of a march 85b being driven by someone called Pierre Chavuet at silverstone in 1985, he didn't start the race and i was wondering why, was it a lack of sponsers because there wasn't a signal sponser on the car, also what team was he driving for?


Any more images of f3000 in the early 80's would be very helpfull, thanks again

Can you post this Chauvet's photo here? By the way, could you put here some rare photos you've got too? I make a collection of F3000 photos and it would be very nice to see what you have.

As regard of the non-start, I do believe his car could have shown up some problems and his team wasn't able to put it ready to start.

[rateus]

Can you post this Chauvet's photo here? By the way, could you put here some rare photos you've got too? I make a collection of F3000 photos and it would be very nice to see what you have.

As regard of the non-start, I do believe his car could have shown up some problems and his team wasn't able to put it ready to start.

The problem was he stuck it in the wall during the warm-up. Damage was light and easily repairable, but in light of the lack of spares generally at this early stage of the formula (and probably also the appalling weather that day), ORECA chose to withdraw the car rather than risk further damage. The entry was after all very much at the last minute - the team had only found out they had a car 2 days before.

[tyrrellp346wheels]

Can you post this Chauvet's photo here? By the way, could you put here some rare photos you've got too? I make a collection of F3000 photos and it would be very nice to see what you have.

As regard of the non-start, I do believe his car could have shown up some problems and his team wasn't able to put it ready to start.

Hi, i found the image on the internet of chauvets march :http://s271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1985/International%20Trophy%20-%20Silverstone/?action=view&current=8503241SSIT124-38.jpg. sorry to say but i don't have any photos of my own, only the ones i have found so far are on this forum and browsing the internet.

Thanks for the images you uploaded earlier in the thread, they have been really helpfull in my art project

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 26 November 2009 - 17:31.

[tyrrellp346wheels]

The problem was he stuck it in the wall during the warm-up. Damage was light and easily repairable, but in light of the lack of spares generally at this early stage of the formula (and probably also the appalling weather that day), ORECA chose to withdraw the car rather than risk further damage. The entry was after all very much at the last minute - the team had only found out they had a car 2 days before.

Thanks for the information on pierre chavuet, it now makes sence why there was no branding on the car as it was last minuete

If any one else has more images from f3000 in the early 80's, they would be gratefully recieved (especially an image of roger cowmans arrows a6 of 1985 that is different to the one on the forix site )


Thanks for all the help

Edited by tyrrellp346wheels, 26 November 2009 - 17:35.

[dnhrudi]

If there is talk of lack of competance in F3000 the mighty Jean Pierre Frey has to come up. 2 solid years of non qualifications 86/87! Not to mention his rather un speedily named 'Team Dollop' which must have added a couple of seconds to lap times on its own!
If I remember rightly the team qualified once in Birmingham 86 with the late Guido Dacco.
Any one got the storyof the dark Dollop days?
Then history seemed to repeat itself in 95 with the glorious Alain Fihol and his horendous Aqua marine, orange and silver old Reynards!

Edited by dnhrudi, 26 November 2009 - 19:33.

[tyrrellp346wheels]

If there is talk of lack of competance in F3000 the mighty Jean Pierre Frey has to come up. 2 solid years of non qualifications 86/87! Not to mention his rather un speedily named 'Team Dollop'
If I remember rightly the team qualified once in Birmingham 86 with the late Guido Dacco.
Any one got the storyof the dark Dollop days?
Then history seemed to repeat itself in 95 with the glorious Alain Fihol and his horendous Aqua marine, orange and silver old Reynards!

There is a thread called dollop racing in the nostalgia forum if that is any help

Any more images of f3000 in the 80's would be very welcome

[dnhrudi]

And wasn't Pierre Chavuets name a pseudonym?