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[Clatter]

(P?S you guys in britain are spoiled......and lucky....)

I agree we are. From the TV I've seen when I've been away, ours knocks just about everyone elses into touch, but that's not going to stop us complaining otherwise the standards will drop (more).

[highdownforce]

On the other side of things... "F1 urged to embrace modern media"

[dabrasco]

On the other side of things... "F1 urged to embrace modern media"

yep I agree with most of what is said there....

[egg1980]

Of those 40 basic channels many include BBC World and BBC America. So we get the Coronation Street reruns, Little Britain and whatever else the Beeb wants to shovel over here. And of the others many, if not most all are at least comparable or better than the Beeb or C4 offerings. Brit TV offerings are nothing like what is available in the US. I've spent a good part of my adult life in England and my daughter is a Brit. I'm confident I'm more than familiar with the culture.

As far as basic channels, it depends on where you are and if you have cable or sat. Most of them are the CNNs, the Foxes, History, Discovery, TNT, CNBC, MSNBC and many others. For half of what you lot pay for Sky, we get pretty much everything offered on western TV and then some. I get TV from Japan, Korea, Europe, Russia, Al Jezeera and many others. More than I could watch but unlimited HBO, Showtime and Speed came with the package so I can't complain. I'm watching channel 356 right now.

That's probably why so many Americans are fat...

[Timstr11]

On the other side of things... "F1 urged to embrace modern media"

Agree completely.
Does Bernie have a clue about the developments on Internet? I think not.
Unfortunately he's of the generation that sees Internet as a threat instead of an opportunity.

[highdownforce]

Agree completely.
Does Bernie have a clue about the developments on Internet? I think not.
Unfortunately he's of the generation that sees Internet as a threat instead of an opportunity.

It amazes me the lack of interest from FOM on exploring F1 brand over the web, and also how old-fashioned is the marketing approach of F1 in general.
Try to imagine it for one second:
- F1 in HD;
- F1 clips available on a Youtube-like platform;
- Live feed on the web, £ X.xx monthly subscription or pay-per-view;
- Download of FP1, FP2, FP3, Qualifies and Races from an official F1 Store, of all previous seasons and the current one!
- Free broadcast of launch and test events;
- All for cheap!

[Demo.]

It amazes me the lack of interest from FOM on exploring F1 brand over the web, and also how old-fashioned is the marketing approach of F1 in general.
Try to imagine it for one second:
- F1 in HD;
- F1 clips available on a Youtube-like platform;
- Live feed on the web, £ X.xx monthly subscription or pay-per-view;
- Download of FP1, FP2, FP3, Qualifies and Races from an official F1 Store, of all previous seasons and the current one!
- Free broadcast of launch and test events;
- All for cheap!

Perhaps you should check out some of the real facts like F1 is recorded in HD what i dont know is if the HD feed costs more or if it is down to the TV companies, and lets not forget most people still dont have HD TV's so you are wanting a higher cost product that is only of any use to a very small percentage of TV viewers at this time. But clearly with them doing the recording in HD they have the infrastructure in place.
F1 clips what you mean like they have on formula1.com?
http://www.formula1....play_video.html
Or perhaps you forget that most TV stations already get the FP's as part of the package so how are the FOM going to explain to their paying customers when they are competing against them?
As for all old races i take it you have no idea how much such a model would cost to set up and keep running when there are such a small general veiwer base who would take advantage of such things. I have most of the old races on my computer anyway and i am certain a large number of other people will have them in either digital or VHS forms.
you do realise it costs lots and lots of money to record all these free to air events you want them to give away dont you?
How do you think the teams would react to being told sorry everyone is getting less this year as people want things for free.

Edited by Demo., 09 December 2009 - 15:17.

[wj_gibson]

Hmmm, I thought the idea of contemporary F1 was to become low-cost.

But, apparently, it is to become high-cost to the viewers, track owners and race organisers, all of whom are effectively stakeholders in the sport.

But low-cost to CVC, of course...

[Demo.]

Hmmm, I thought the idea of contemporary F1 was to become low-cost.

But, apparently, it is to become high-cost to the viewers, track owners and race organisers, all of whom are effectively stakeholders in the sport.

But low-cost to CVC, of course...

since when has 2Billion pounds been low cost and lets not forget high income to the teams.

[wj_gibson]

since when has 2Billion pounds been low cost and lets not forget high income to the teams.

Were F1's revenue streams modelled on those of other major global TV sports, then the teams would be receiving around 75-80% of the sport's income instead of the 50% at present.

i.e. the teams' income (despite appearing to be a significant figure to the "man on the street") is considerably lower than it ought to be.

[highdownforce]

Perhaps you should check out some of the real facts like F1 is recorded in HD what i dont know is if the HD feed costs more or if it is down to the TV companies, [...]

[...] so you are wanting a higher cost product that is only of any use to a very small percentage of TV viewers at this time. But clearly with them doing the recording in HD they have the infrastructure in place.

Do you have an 3D TV system?

lets not forget most people still dont have HD TV's

HD over IP for then.
Those without broad band will watch the normal feed.

F1 clips what you mean like they have on formula1.com?

No. Not that lame collection. Uploaded/Selected by users and videos of short (but longer than nowadays) duration.

Or perhaps you forget that most TV stations already get the FP's as part of the package so how are the FOM going to explain to their paying customers when they are competing against them?

You can't watch Austalia's 2009 full FP1 when you want, can you?
It could be released on the web two days later then aired.
Or, FOM could provide a lower quality web feed or just without commentators, just plain audio and video.

As for all old races i take it you have no idea how much such a model would cost to set up and keep running when there are such a small general veiwer base who would take advantage of such things. I have most of the old races on my computer anyway and i am certain a large number of other people will have them in either digital or VHS forms.

But there millions that don't have such records like us.
And are interested.

you do realise it costs lots and lots of money to record all these free to air events you want them to give away dont you?
How do you think the teams would react to being told sorry everyone is getting less this year as people want things for free.

I'm sure FOM would earn exponentially more, so the teams.
More brand exposition.
More aired time for sponsors.

[D.M.N.]

You can't watch Austalia's 2009 full FP1 when you want, can you?
It could be released on the web two days later then aired.
Or, FOM could provide a lower quality web feed or just without commentators, just plain audio and video.

If you're in the UK, you can, if you're anywhere else, you can't.

Edited by D.M.N., 09 December 2009 - 15:53.

[highdownforce]

If you're in the UK, you can, if you're anywhere else, you can't.

Obviously, I'm not.

[OfficeLinebacker]

that stupid auction show over and over again, and now a reality show based on BEING A FAMILY OF TOW TRUCK OPERATORS, being a fat car customizer to the Rich and Tasteless....

Yeah those shows are mind-bogglingly bad. I do not mind Pinks though.

[Demo.]

You can't watch Austalia's 2009 full FP1 when you want, can you?

But there millions that don't have such records like us.
And are interested.


I'm sure FOM would earn exponentially more, so the teams.
More brand exposition.
More aired time for sponsors.

sorry i and lots of other people already can watch things like the Australian FP's when they want its called a PVR and mine had all this years races and FP's and quallies recorded onto it until i uploaded them to my comp for long term archiving.

However if you dont have such things why not just buy the dvd's that are made each year. For those not gifted at google try this http://www.newsonf1....eodvd/index.htm
you will find lots there

Perhaps they could go out and buy the dvd's that are produced each year.

I agree that as i posted earlier other markets will open up and we don't know how most will get their TV in 4-5 years yet but as shown by the thread title this thread was not started with any idea except as another reason to bash the FIA/FOM.

They (the FIA/FOM/BE) have not said they want to go to PPV or even PTV they have said they want to look at the markets does anyone actually know if the FIA are not also looking at all possible marketing revenue streams after all most would agree that FOM have been rather good at doing such things in the past. I am certain they will not be ignoring such a future market. But unfortunatly as some fail to understand to provide a new service costs money now that money has to come from somewhere and like any business they are sure not going to pay for it when its an added service to its customers who will rightly be expect to pay for such things. sorry its called business and no business is going to provide an added service for free if they see a way to make money (from us) from it.

Edited by Demo., 10 December 2009 - 03:01.

[highdownforce]

[...] sorry its called business and no business is going to provide an added service for free if they see a way to make money (from us) from it.

The best thing is, it doesn't need to be for free.

[Demo.]

The best thing is, it doesn't need to be for free.

reread this thread again as a large number of so called F1 fans have said they wont even pay to watch the races so what chance to get them to pay for anything else?

[Owen]

F1-live, a good (if tabloidy) website has become ESPN

http://en.espnf1.com/

[highdownforce]

reread this thread again as a large number of so called F1 fans have said they wont even pay to watch the races so what chance to get them to pay for anything else?

I wouldn't pay a cent to watch it in HDTV on TV.
I'd like to pay for an internet feed.