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[Vasco]

The other day I was driving round Montjuich Park and was amazed with the quality of the circuit (technically and touristically speaking).
The track didn't seem so dangerous and inadequate after all, at least no more than Pau I've also visited and no more than Monaco from what I can see on TV.
Can anyone make me hope someday we will be able to hear racecar engines roar again around the St Pau palace of Barcelona?

If anybody knows any stories about the races held there (mainly the crashes of Rindt & Hill in 1969, Stommelen in 1975/6(?) and the strike threat) I would be very pleased to learn more about it.

[Ray Bell]

If someone here was there, it would be great, but otherwise I guess we'll have to hope someone is willing to scan the Motor Sport reports.

[Felix Muelas]

Originally posted by Ray Bell
If someone here was there, it would be great, but otherwise I guess we'll have to hope someone is willing to scan the Motor Sport reports.

Not necessarily, Ray!
A book (in English and Spanish) by Javier del Arco on Montjuich and its history should be available this week!!

I will review it and (maybe)recommend it in a couple of days


Felix

(Maybe our colleague "jarama" has already a copy at hand...)

[fines]

Ahh, Montjuich (or Montjuïc)!!!

One of the few tracks I have been to. Really a shame that it was dropped...

[Barry Boor]

Here is a sad tale about Montjuich Park. It's not actually about a race, but it is about the circuit so please bear with me. About 3 years back, the wife and I visited the Costa Dorada and made a bee-line for Barcelona pretty damn fast. Being a 'class 1 Old Anorak', I was falling over myself to see what remained of that wonderful circuit in the park.

As it happens, our tour guide to Barcelona was a Catalan-speaking English girl who had married a local man and lived near Salou. On the way into that lovely city I told her that I particularly wanted to see the race circuit.
"Oh no," she said, "that is at Montmelo outside the city."
I explained to her that I was aware of that pale imitation, but I meant the one in Montjuich. She proceeded to tell me that I was mistaken, and racing cars had never run there.
I didn't hit her, and to celebrate that fact, she decided that maybe while we were looking around the Spanish Village in the park, she might go and make some enquiries. When we met up again, she was very apologetic, saying that she had found an old chap who did indeed confirm that racing cars and motor cycles had raced around the roads in the park, but racing was stopped after a string of fatal motor cycle accidents. Sadly, she said, when the Olympic stadium was constructed for the Games in '88/92, (can't remember when,) much of the upper part of the circuit had disappeared under the bulldozers.

The sad aspect of the story is that now, of course, I realise that this is not true, and it seems that virtually all of the old track still exists today. So I could have walked it (as it is my ambition to do with any old circuits I can find {see Ospedaletti}) but didn't try because I thought I was wasting my time.

It was during the following year that a German contact sent me a circuit map from 1975 which showed that the bottom end of the track actually ran right in front of the famous fountain of Freddy Mercury and that large singing Spanish Lady fame. So I did walk on part of it, without realising.

I will return to Montjuich one day; of that I am sure, but for now I content myself with driving a variety of different F1 cars around those winding roads on the GP2 simulator.

As a footnote to this tale, leaving Barcelona at the end of that trip on the road called the Diagonal, I asked the guide "where is the Avenue Generalissimo Franco?" "This is it" she said, "it's been renamed. Why?"
"Because it is the main straight of Barcelona's OTHER Grand Prix circuit." I said. She didn't believe me........

[Hans Etzrodt]

Originally posted by Felix Muelas
..A book (in English and Spanish) by Javier del Arco on Montjuich and its history should be available this week!!

I will review it and (maybe)recommend it in a couple of days...

Felix,
Please reserve me one copy at your store and give me the address, so I can place my order with them.
Aloha,
Hans

[jarama]

Hi, all,

I'm from Barcelona, and have a fondness for the Montjuïc track -in spite of my jarama nickname-.

I think the circuit was a little more dangerous than Pau or Monaco mainly due to the fact that there is a pronounced crest just over the fastest spot of the track... and isn't a straight, but a left-hander. Besides, the average speed on this track were faster than either Pau or Monaco.

Certainly, I don't think we can hear again the roaring of racing cars around Montjuïc. BTW, the palace quoted isn't Sant Pau, but Sant Jordi.

I was there on several occasions:
1968 -F2, the last race of the great Jim Clark, one week before his untimely death-. I was by then an 8/9 y.o.kid and from this day on I was hooked by auto racing.
1973 -F1, Emerson Fittipaldi winning.
1974 -F2, the Stuck-Depailler duel.
1975 -F1, the accident of Stommelen.

For those interested in the story of Montjuïc, I truly recommend the book quoted by Felix. Newly launched, it shows a huge research work by Javier del Arco, is written in spanish and english, has a lot of b/w and colo(u)r pictures and race-by-race data. Is indeed worth of its prix.

For those who are planning to visit the Montjuïc track here go a few remarks:

It's very easy to find. When in Barcelona, ask for the Plaça de Espanya, then you must walk no more than 200 meter to be in the one and only straight, worth of this name, of the track: is the little straight in front of the famous fountain quoted by Barry Boor; there, you must take right, anti-clockwise, and follow the circuit -with a map picture is an easy task-. The first bend is a left-hander, the second one is a long right-hander passing just in front of the Poble Espanyol -Spanish Village- main door, and so. You can walk or drive it around completely.

The start/finish line was, in the early days, this short straight. In the 60's was changed to the fast, slight and long left-hander on the other side of the circuit.

The track course is 3790.65 meter long. One of his interesting features, was that remained inchanged since his first race -IV G.P.de la Penya Rhin, 1933- to the very last G.P. -XXIII G.P.de España, 1975-.

This way, we can compare the first P.P. with the last one, fastest laps, etc.

i.e.:'33/Tazio Nuvolari/2.9 Alfa Romeo 8C Monza/PP,2'16"
FL,2'13"
'73/Ronnie Peterson/3.0 Lotus Ford 72/PP,1'21"8
FL,1'23"8

Montjuïc, what a GREAT circuit...

[Barry Lake]

"I could have walked it (as it is my ambition to do with any old circuits I can find)" - Barry Boor.

Barry, can I come and follow you (in a car) when you walk Pescara, Madonie, Mille Miglia (all versions), early French GP circuits (various), etc...

Actually I love walking long distances, but I am not sure I could make the time to do all of those on foot.

[Vasco]

I can see there many more circuits fans after all.
Wouldn't you like to share your experiences in historical circuits?

[Barry Boor]

Barry L. Yes, I suppose it might be a tad tiring to walk the circuits you have mentioned. I know, I'll run around them, that way I'll complete them quicker and won't have time to get tired.

The problem with longer circuits is actually not the time taken (I exclude the Mille Miglia and Targa, of course) but rather the fact that when I visit these places, I have usually got the wife with me, plus possible others, who do not want to spend hours looking at road, or hang about while I do it.

Otherwise I would have walked both Reims and Rouen in 1998 rather than sitting in the passenger seat of a motor home.

Incidentally, speaking of walking circuits, I have walked Monaco, twice, with a gap between walks of 36 years!

[fines]

That seems to be a recurring problem: When I was in Barcelona in 1986, I was with a group of maybe nine persons. Of course I wanted to visit Montjuich, but I was the only racing nut in the group and wouldn't find support when I suggested a trip there.

The very next year I was returning to the city, this time with a group of around six. Different people, but the same game: no one interested in racing circuits. But I was determined, so I worked out a plan: First I suggested a look at the fountain, then the Spanish Village and finally the Olympic Stadium. Worked a dream! Still didn't get them to walk down to the museum - rats!

It only goes to show that if you're not prepared to travel alone it will always be difficult to actually walk a circuit. That is, if not for a travel group composed of TNF regulars... How about it?

[jarama]

To all TNF posters,

of course, if some of yours is coming to BCN, I'll be glad to have a drink, share our fondness for car racing, and last but no least, walk or drive around the wonderful Montjuïc circuit...

[Don Capps]

The discussion on the recent Montjuïc circuit. I am on the road & so don't have any references with me, but was not there a Montjuïc circuit in the 20's and/or 30's? Somehow, I recall when thinking of some of the events from that period that one of the circuits was Montjuïc. Just me being feebleminded?

[jarama]

Don,

You're right, though not in the '20s. The circuit hosted the Penya Rhin GPs from 1933 to 1936 -being the IV GP de la Penya Rhin, 6-25-1933, the first race held-, and remained unchanged until the Spanish GP of 1975.

[Vasco]

Hi Jarama,

I'd be delighted to meet you when I return to Barcelona.
What a city and what a region you have there!

So far, in that area, I've visited Montjuïc, Baix Penedès (formerly used for Penya Rhin) and Sitges-Terramar. The latter is really amazing. The banking is really steep and unsafe and the cracked track is used only by tractors nowadays. The decay of the circuit is quite impressive. I have a couple of pictures. If anyone is interested, let me know.
By the way, some information about those races would be apreciated.

To Jarama again:
if the Montjuich is judged too fast, it's nothing a couple of the so infamous chicanes couldn't solve(I know it's not so appealing but it's less worse than that....thing called Montmeló). About the top speed crest, don't forget the Radillion is still in the F1 calendar, so why not this one?

[Barry Boor]

Ah, Vasco my friend, what an old romantic you are !

Montjuich Park is one of the great race circuits, and you have about as much hope of it ever being used again as Gaston Mazzacane has of becoming World Champion.

Spa only retained its place on the calendar by building huge beaches around Eau Rouge. If they had refused to do that, Uncle Bernie would have chopped it.

I cannot see the Barcelona authorities agreeing to the ruination of their lovely park with great swathes of gravel appearing here, there and everywhere. And I for one wouldn't blame them, either.

Anyway, as with most circuits, loss of the Grand Prix would render them insolvent, so Montmelo cannot lose its race.

We must accept that apart from Monaco, Spa and Monza, the great tracks of the past are history, and much though we may wish, hope and long for their return.... it ain't gonna happen !

[MoMurray]

I had the chance to visit Montjuic and see to modern testing at Montmelo a couple of years ago. Great perspective on different times in F1. Although, my Spanish..er sorry Catalan friends might disagree, I suspect that the circuit would only get rebuilt if it were for GP motorcycle racing.

Incidentally, I attended a world championship indoor motorcycle trials competition at the staduim up in the park. Now there are some talented riders...

Mo

[jarama]

Vasco,

I agree with you in your romantic point of view about Montjuïc, I dream of hearing racing engines in the park again, but when one of this lovely but difficult old circuits is lost for F1 racing for some reason... is lost forever. And this is the sad fact. So, I think Barry Boor is right.

[Vasco]

Arrrgh!!

you didn't have to spoil my dreams!!!

more seriously, I think you-Barry and Jarama-are unfortunatly right.
However, if there was the political will, a Touring Car race would possible. As I said in the first post of this thread, the publicity of Barcelona, in terms of TV coverage, would be much better than any other permanent track in the outskirts of the city. Can you imagine the glamour of a Monaco Grand Prix if it was moved to, say, the Paul Ricard for safety reasons? Ridiculous...
The Olympic village, the Palau Nacional, the fountains and Plaça Espanya what a postcard! And the track is great too! Sure safety is important but what for if there is no real challenge left to tell the good from the average drivers? If it was not for some rain here and there you would get 16 yawning GP every season. It's funny that up to the 70's, even if a constructor/driver dominated a certain era, there was always room for some individual feats and specialists of certain circuits, because these had character. It's hard for me to see the decadence of my favourite sport and still be interested.
Can somebody give me a good rrason to watch F1 racing?

[fines]

I seem to remember a Williams (with DC at the wheel?) doing a promotion run in the park in 1995 (?) when there was also tentative talk of reviving the circuit. Does memory play a trick on me?

[Felix Muelas]

No. it doesn´t, Michael.
There was David Coulthard making a promotional affair for Renault in the Barcelona Motor Show and, just after testing at Montmeló, DC took the Williams-Renault FW17 (with number 6) for a run on the Stadium Straight. Some starts and spins, and a presentation to the Major of Barcelona of the steering wheel.
I might find a picture...
;)
Felix

[Ray Bell]

Must start a thread... 'Walk Lobethal'... any takers? Go to the new thread... 8.65 miles, by the way, but a pub conveniently half way round.

[Paul Hartshorne]

Originally posted by Felix Muelas:
A book (in English and Spanish) by Javier del Arco on Montjuich and its history should be available this week!!

I will review it and (maybe)recommend it in a couple of days

I can't remember whether Felix ever reviewed this book or not, but I received a copy today, and I just wanted to say that it's probably the best single-circuit history that I've seen.

The book, 40 Anos de Historia del Automovilismo en le Circuito de Montjuic by Javier del Arco de Izco covers the full history of the circuit, and cover everything, from rallying, to F1, to sportscars, to myriad junior formulae, with 584 large pages in both Spanish and English.

Obviously, I've only had time to skim through so far, dipping into passages here and there, but the race reports, detailed entry lists and rare photographs are all very impressive. Also shown are various items of memorabilia, including tickets and race posters.

I'd say that many TNF regulars will find this book of interest, so add it to your wish list!

Cheers, Paul

[Felix Muelas]

Paul

Congratulations! Although I never reviewed the book for TNF, I was so amazed at the work that Javier has made that I simply got in contact with him and thanked him extensively. An excellent book, with many hidden surprises, plenty of memorabilia, curious shots and anecdotes, a real must.

Happy you have your copy now. Enjoy it

Felix

[Barry Lake]

Ah! Montjuic Park! I almost went there once...

So you think international business travel is fun?

Late on Friday, just over a week ago, I was asked to stand in for the editor of MOTOR magazine on the release of the new Pirelli P6 and P7 tyre range, to be held in Barcelona.

I had the weekend and one working day, Monday, to prepare for the trip and to finish various stories for magazines, before leaving early Tuesday morning, having had very little sleep in three days.

It took 36 hours flying/airport lounging time to get from Sydney to Milan.

After surviving the traffic of Milan, visiting Pirelli head office and seeing Pirellis' latest technology tyre factory, we headed for Barcelona on the Saturday morning. We expected to have most of the afternoon free.

However, the travel agency had decided a one and a half hour flight from Milan to Barcelona was too easy. We flew via Paris by Air France, missed the connecting flight, lost our luggage, took 12 hours to get from A to B (or M to B?), and lost the entire day.

Sunday we were taken to who knows where to see a stage of the Catalunyan Rally, then to the finish of the rally, where I had an inteview with Mitsubishi Ralliart boss Andrew Cowan. That used up all of that day.

Monday was spent outside of Barcelona testing the new tyres on road and track, then dining with the Pirelli people.

All very interesting, and fun, but I had hoped to find time to see some old grand prix circuits and now we were booked to fly out early Tuesday morning. I hadn't even seen the centre of Barcelona on this my first, and perhaps last, ever visit to Spain.

Along with a couple of Aussie tyre distributors, I took a risk and switched to a three-hour later flight out of Barcelona - about the time we would otherwise be sitting in a lounge at Paris' CDG airport.

We headed for the centre of the city, had a quick tour of the old part of town. I asked directions to Montjuic Park and was told it wasn't possible in the hour or so I had available.

I also saw signposts saying "Sitges 35" but obviously could not even dream of going there.

So I dropped into a book shop and asked if they knew where the motoring bookshop was. They tracked it down via the telphone directory. Now armed with the address, I walked there and bought the massive tome on the history of motor racing at Montjuic Park and another on the Grand Prix of Penya Rhin - as well as some French books I hadn't been able to get elsewhere.

A taxi got me back to the hotel just in time to meet up again with my tyre dealer friends and to get into another taxi for the airport. We arrived at Paris just in time to sprint to our Paris-Singapore flight (not easy to do with 14 kg of motoring books in your hand luggage, I can tell you).

And that was Barcelona. Fly there, see very little, buy some books, fly home (which used up another 36 hours or thereabouts, I might add).

When I arrived home and e-mailed jarama, apologising for not being able to meet up with him, he told me my hotel was located on the road that was the main straight of the Pedralbes circuit! Well at least I saw that, even if I didn't know what I was looking at.

But I now have the books. When I find time to unwrap them, I will be able to get a very good idea of what I missed.

[Barry Lake]

Ray Bell

By the way, representing Wheels magazine on the Pirelli P6/P7 trip was Michael Stahl, esteemed son of yours and my former boss on Racing Car News, C Max Stahl.

Michael has been living in Paris (150 metres from Notre Dame) for the past year and tells me he is an occasional "lurker" on Atlas F1 Nostalgia forum.

I was going to say, "so watch what you say" but then you've never been one to heed such advice, have you? So I won't bother.

[Barry Boor]

Having been to Barcelona AND into Monjuich Park only to be told that the Olympic complex had destroyed most of the circuit which made me not bother to explore (I didn't have much time, either), I can well sympathise with your feelings. At least I got to see some of it. We sat by the famous fountain, not realising that the road running in front of it was the bottom straight of the circuit.

As for Pedralbes, again, I travelled along the s/f straight not realising it where it was. Multimap has changed all that.

The difference is, I may well be able to get back there.....

[Ray Bell]

Typical Stahl!

Sitting back and letting someone else do all the work!

Not really, I know... but I can empathise with you, Barry(s), real shame to miss out like that, especially for the want of better information.

[Barry Lake]

Of course, had I been given more notice that I was going, I could have gathered together all the relevant information, delayed my return flight by - say - three days, and everything would have been fine.

Still, I now have a good idea of the lay of the land if I ever get the chance to go back there again.

I have to say I was impressed with Barcelona. Nicer than I expected it to be. Also quiet and peaceful after the mayhem that is Milan. I don't remember anywhere else I've ever seen three apparently fatal trafic accidents in one day... except perhaps on the main road from Delhi to Bombay, but I was too busy to keep count on that occasion.

Can someone show me exactly where on the Diagonal Avenue the Pedralbes circuit was situated? I have a feeling it is just off the town map of Barcelona that I have.

[jarama]

Originally posted by Barry Lake


Can someone show me exactly where on the Diagonal Avenue the Pedralbes circuit was situated? I have a feeling it is just off the town map of Barcelona that I have.

Barry,

Take a look at the other TNF thread about the Montjuïc circuit tittled "Montjuic Park". I answered two posts of "pinchevs" concerning the location of the Pedralbes Circuit. Then, you'll be able to locate the Diagonal Avenue stretch belonging to the circuit within your town map... or I hope so!

BTW, I've received your latest e-mail. It was a shame... maybe on your next European trip? Hope you've enjoyed the few days you've spent in Barcelona and his surroundings.
PS:According to your explanations about the Special Stage you've been of the Catalunya Rally, this SS could be Collsaplana.

[Barry Boor]

Barry, if you go to www.multimap.com and put in Barcelona, you can gradually zoom in on the western outskirts of the city. If you have the Pedralbes circuit plan by you, the track will leap out at you - it's all there to see.

If you can't locate it, I'll post a URL that will take you right to it.

[Barry Boor]

I've just found that I bookmarked the very page

http://uk2.multimap....=700&height=400

It's a bit complex, but click on it and see if anything happens!

Well, it works for me!

[jarama]

Barry B.,

thanx, this is the right spot.


To Barry L.,

the s/f straight is the Avinguda Diagonal, from the Carrer Numància -you can find this street at the bottom right on the URL posted by Barry B.- to the right hairpin with Ronda de Dalt... though this hairpin no longer exists, since now the Ronda de Dalt crosses the Diagonal Avenue at a different level. To make you more comprehensive, the Juan Carlos I Hotel is just a few meter to the left of the Avinguda del Doctor Marañón -bottom left on the same URL-. At a glance at this Multimap page, the Pedralbes circuit streets were:
Avinguda Diagonal - Ronda de Dalt (this leg is now very different to the original) - Avinguda de Pedralbes - Passeig de Manuel Girona - Carrer de Numància - Avinguda Diagonal.

[Gary C]

Talking of people who don't know where they are when they're at a race track. I worked on the 1997 Monaco GP TV coverage.
We were at the track a full week before the race putting out the cables for the cameras etc. It got to the wednesday & we were virtually finishing up. We had stopped at the Rascasse to sort out a camera & I had to radio one of the other guys to bring another piece of gear to us. He asked where we were, and I just said 'We're at the Rascasse.' because everyone knows the corners at Monaco, right? His answer : 'You'll have to be a bit more specific than that, I haven't a clue where that is.'
Can you imagine trying to explain where on the track we were? Doh!!

[Barry Lake]

jarama and Barry B

Thanks for the information.

The circuits are just off the edge of the map that I picked up at the hotel.

I am thinking I have to go back to Spain some day; there is a surprising amount of motor racing history there. It also is about the only European country where an Australian can afford to go these days, with the Aussie dollar at lower than half mast (and buying only one-third of the value in US books compared to when I first began buying directly from there in the early 1970s).

Just finished looking at the photos and results and reading the captions in "Los Grandes Premios Internationales de la Penya Rhin". Interesting to be reminded of the race in 1935 in which Nuvolari (Alfa Romeo) narrowly beat Caracciola (Mercedes-Benz) - probably a more exciting event (though far less famous) than Nuvolari's German GP win of the same year.

The Montjuich book is so big I have yet to find the time to go through it.

[jarama]

Barry,

on the Montjuïc book there's a picture that I've never seen before and got my attention: Bernd Rosemeyer at the wheel of Nuvolari's Alfa, picture taken by the "Mantovano Volante" himself.

[Ray Bell]

Well, with no fear of reprisal from the photographer, why not post it for all to enjoy?

As I recall, Neubauer's book merely glosses over that race you mention, Barry... what are the details that make you say it would be more exciting?

Let's not forget that the D50 made its debut there, too.

Were there ever any Sports Car events, such as the Mille Miglia and the Targa Florio in Spain?

[jarama]

Ray,

sorry, but I don't have scanner, so I can't post the picture... Felix, maybe?

[jarama]

Originally posted by Ray Bell


As I recall, Neubauer's book merely glosses over that race you mention, Barry... what are the details that make you say it would be more exciting?

Let's not forget that the D50 made its debut there, too.

Ray,

the Penya Rhin GP was held at the Montjuïc Park circuit, while the debut of the D50's was at the Pedralbes circuit in occasion of the Spanish GP.

[Ray Bell]

I was speaking - as Barry was - of the broader picture, Spain and all Spanish circuits... sorry if I misled you.

And I'd be interested in more detail on that race...

[Felix Muelas]

See below...

[jarama]

Originally posted by Ray Bell


Were there ever any Sports Car events, such as the Mille Miglia and the Targa Florio in Spain?

Ray,

there were several interesting Sports Car races held at Montjuïc around 1970.

This races were, depending on the year, 6-hour, 12-hour or 1000-km long, atracted international entries and provided interesting battles between the mighty sports 5-litre such the JWA Porsche against the nimble works Lola of Bonnier-Peterson or the always reliable private 908s.

In addition to these races, there were the 400-km of Barcelona, elligible for the European 2-litre Championship, with the likes of Chris Craft, Guy Edwards, Gérard Larrousse, Jorge de Bagration, Arturo Merzario & co.

[jarama]

Felix,

thank you, I knew I could rely on you:)

[Ray Bell]

Whoa there... back up the F2 transporter...

Barry was drawing a comparison, was he not, with other European countries, and I've taken the liberty of asking about races of the ilk of the Mille Miglia and the Targa Florio.

Not mere Sports Car races, but open road races, point to point or on very long circuits.. that really was my question.

[jarama]

Ray,

there weren't sports car races in Spain in the mood of the Targa Florio or the Mille Miglia.

[David McKinney]

Point-to-point events were held in virtually every country in the world in the early days, though in some case (Australia, New Zealand, South Africa) these took the form of individual record attempts, and in others they were reliability trials.
As far as Spain is concerned, a number of very long circuits (by present-day standards) were used in the pioneering era. The first Sitges course for example was over 17.5 miles, and the 1913 Spanish GP (for touring-cars) was run on a 64-mile loop based on Guadarrama. In 1915 and 1916 the King’s Cup cyclecar race was held between Barcelona and Madrid, but a proposed 1917 event from Barcelona via Bilbao to San Sebastian was cancelled because of the political situation. From 1921 the Troféo Armangué voiturette race was held on an 18.6-mile course out of Tarragone. By then however shorter circuits were taking over in Spain as elsewhere.

[Barry Lake]

David

When are you going to publish a motor sport encyclopaedia with all this information you have squirrelled away over the years?

By the way, Allan Dick was on the Pirelli trip to Spain and was asking if I'd heard from you. I told him about our contact here and that I could give him an e-mail address for you - but he said he had a phone number and would call you.

Is the phone number still current? Have you heard from him?


... And why can't I see the picture posted by Felix?

[Barry Lake]

Has Hans Etzrodt been following this thread?

I think the Penya Rhin book would be relevant to your research Hans. Possibly also the Montjuich book, though I still haven't had time to look at it.

One of the French books I bought in Spain was Volume 6 of the "50 Ans Formule 1" series (Les Annees Fangio etc), which is a bit Off Topic, being titled "Les Precurseurs 1895-1949" (sorry about the lack of accents).

This book has a lot of photos from throughout those years that I have never seen before and they are beautifully reproduced.
I am sure that, even if there is nothing new for Hans in the text and results, the photos would be well worth having.

[David McKinney]

Barry L:
I've probably had five phone numbers since the last one Allan Dick had and, no, I haven't heard from him. Feel free to give him my email address if you are still in touch with him

[Stefan Ornerdal]

Does anybody have a track map of the Montjuïc circuit. Darren Galpin have one but it is a little bit too small to really show the beautiful place.

Been there too, in 1989. At that time they were building the Olympic Stadium over part of the track, I beleive.

As everybody else, I really had problem with my wife who had no interest walking about, looking for small pieces of asphalt of a forgotten race track...