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[THE "driverider"]

What is the actual design for the layout to be used next season in Formula One and Moto GP?

Also are they removing any sections such as, Bridge, Ireland, Woodcote Chicane?

[Alexis*27]

I don't think it's changing. They're just building new pits for 2011.

[kaivo]

Look this

[Don_Humpador]

Looks like they're removing Abbey and Bridge. Shame.

[milestone 11]

See here http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/73337 Silverstone will use this layout if FIA approve.

[RodrigoL]

Looks like they're removing Abbey and Bridge. Shame.

What a BS. They removed one of the most challenging parts of the circuit....only to replace it with a chicane, and a hairpin....

[Snap Matt]

The new hairpin looks like it will be a long way from any spectators. Fair enough you might get a view from Becketts, but you're already a hell of a way from the track at the current stands as it is. If they manage to increase the chance of a passing move on the new bits of track, it will be a good thing though.

[robracer]

What a BS. They removed one of the most challenging parts of the circuit....only to replace it with a chicane, and a hairpin....

Chicanes and hairpins provide better overtaking chances. It's a good change.

[rolf123]

Chicanes and hairpins provide better overtaking chances. It's a good change.

Bridge has been cr@p ever since they installed the chicane before it.

This could make for potentially up to two new overtake zones.

[Fudce]

Chicanes and hairpins provide better overtaking chances. It's a good change.

Well, you say that, but over the last ten years how many exciting and tough overtakes have been made if not into Abbey, but if not through Bridge?

Losing Abbey and Bridge is quite a sacrifice - but one that I'm willing to make in light that we will actually have a race next year.

Edited by Fudce, 07 December 2009 - 17:16.

[robracer]

Well, you say that, but over the last ten years how many exciting and tough overtakes have been made if not into Copse, but if not through Bridge?

Losing Copse and Bridge is quite a sacrifice - but one that I'm willing to make in light that we will actually have a race next year.

There keeping Copse as it is now. It's Abbey and Bridge that won't be used.

[rolf123]

There keeping Copse as it is now. It's Abbey and Bridge that won't be used.

I had a wet dream last night that they brought the gravel back to the outside of Copse.....then I woke up!

[EVO2]

It looks like the new section will actually increase average speeds so we could end up with the fastest circuit on the calendar by a margin.

I would like to see grandstands built over the top of the run off areas so that fans can get closer to the action. I guess that depends on how much distance it's possible to span with steelwork.

[Fudce]

There keeping Copse as it is now. It's Abbey and Bridge that won't be used.

I don't know why I wrote Copse - my brain is clearly not working today.

[maccaFTW]

They can't get rid of Bridge. Copse, the Becketts complex, Stowe, and Bridge are what make Silverstone great; getting rid of any one of them would make the track a lesser one.

[damon_hill_fan2007]

on the diagram of the new layout club corner looks much tighter - presumably to slow the bikes down?

[Clatter]

See here http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/73337 Silverstone will use this layout if FIA approve.

If you check the details for the GP on the Silverstone website it currently shows that the GP circuit will be used. No tickets are available for any of the stands along the new section.

[robracer]

on the diagram of the new layout club corner looks much tighter - presumably to slow the bikes down?

Yes, I think so.

[Gilles4Ever]

The revamped layout will also be used for the F1 race, as long as Silverstone officials can get approval from the FIA, the sport's world governing body. If not, they will stick with the old circuit.

and there is a picture of the track layout too

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/8397777.stm

[wingwalker]

http://www.f1fanatic...tone_2010-2.jpg

In F1 terms, this is not going to help overtaking at all (to be fair, it doesn't seem like it's the point from what I read). For that they would have to Remove Abbey corner and make the cars go in a straight line to the corner between the red sections on the picture - the one when the new track would rejoin the Silverstone International layout. The way it's gonna be on the new layout, the straight sections would be just too damn short to create an overtaking spot - 'new' Abbey looks to be very similar to the current one only it's a right hander but it's still gonna be too fast and next corner is tight and slow but the straight before it is just too short.

The obvious spot for a track modification would be to install a tight chicane at Stowe, there is a space for it there, but the famous maggots/becketts/chapel section before the straight would work as against that, just like it is in Magny Cours - long straight with a super tight hairpin which doesn't do the trick for F1 cars as fast corners before it make the cars unable to enter the straight any close to each other. And one would have to be insane to touch the sector at Silverstone. So dunno, maybe going the other way - making Stowe as easy as possible, 130 R style and a revamp of the track between Stowe and Club would the the trick - Hangar straight, flat out Stowe, short straight and a tight chicane in the place of Club. It would be pretty good as it wouldn't screw the flow of the track.

New layout, but this quote:

http://www.f1fanatic...ayout-pictures/

This year’s Formula 1 British Grand Prix will take place on the current Grand Prix circuit and that circuit will continue to be available to us for appropriate events. However, the new layout will be more suitable for two- wheeled racing, and will be an exciting circuit for both two and four-wheeled events.”

Suggest F1 will stay as it is, although the last bit is pretty vague.

Edited by wingwalker, 27 January 2010 - 11:41.

[Tenmantaylor]

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/8397777.stm

Abbey to Luffield is one of the best sequences in F1. By all means modify for bikes but dont make F1 use it too and replace the great elevation changes and tricky fast turn ins for boring Tilke point and squirt.

[billm99uk]

I never understood Silverstone's obsession with changing the layout seemingly every other year. What's the point?

[BullHead]

My thoughts exactly, it's great as it is.

[robracer]

My thoughts exactly, it's great as it is.

Except the final complex after abbey and bridge. I hate that part, they should change that section if anything.

[BullHead]

They gotta be careful not to change it's reputation of being on of the fastest tracks. Also being able to walk all round the perimeter following the track is I beleive a rarity.

[BullHead]

Except the final complex after abbey and bridge. I hate that part, they should change that section if anything.

Actually I quite like that bit. Provides good views from the stands.

[robracer]

Actually I quite like that bit. Provides good views from the stands.

Yes, but I think its too slow and you can't overtake in it.

[BlackCat]

ok, now remove all those chickanes...

[wewantourdarbyback]

they should change that section if anything.

How many people in this thread haven't bothered to look at the new designs?


They are removing Bridge and Priory to create a far more interesting looking section.

[robracer]

How many people in this thread haven't bothered to look at the new designs?


They are removing Bridge and Priory to create a far more interesting looking section.

I have looked at the new designs, but it doesn't mean the F1 will use them.

I meant the section from bridge through to luffield is bad, not just before luffield.

[Clatter]

I never understood Silverstone's obsession with changing the layout seemingly every other year. What's the point?

The current layout has been in use since around '97, so it's hardly a case of changing every year. The point would be to move with the times and ensure a continuing and safe challange. The current changes are to cater for a different discipline.

[wewantourdarbyback]

I have looked at the new designs, but it doesn't mean the F1 will use them.

I've posted this into the double figures over the last few months.

The new layout is the new GP track, the old layout will be called the international layout and be available on request but the new one is the main layout so will be used for F1.

[robracer]

I've posted this into the double figures over the last few months.

The new layout is the new GP track, the old layout will be called the international layout and be available on request but the new one is the main layout so will be used for F1.

The new layout is for the MotoGP, the old layout will be used for the F1 if they aren't allowed to use the new section.

Edited by robracer, 07 December 2009 - 18:39.

[Clatter]

I've posted this into the double figures over the last few months.

The new layout is the new GP track, the old layout will be called the international layout and be available on request but the new one is the main layout so will be used for F1.

Then why are Silverstone selling tickets for the 2010 GP based on the old circuit?

[stevvy1986]

Then why are Silverstone selling tickets for the 2010 GP based on the old circuit?

Because the new part of the circuit has been submitted for homologation, isn't ready yet, and also requires the approval of the FIA for it to be used. The 2010 race MIGHT be held on the circuit that's been used since about 97, it might be held on the new layout.

Edited by stevvy1986, 07 December 2009 - 18:45.

[wewantourdarbyback]

Then why are Silverstone selling tickets for the 2010 GP based on the old circuit?

Edit: What Stevvy said.

Edited by wewantourdarbyback, 07 December 2009 - 18:46.

[plastik2k9]

Then why are Silverstone selling tickets for the 2010 GP based on the old circuit?

When you go to buy them, it says "Please note the circuit layout is yet to be confirmed".

[Clatter]

Because the new part of the circuit has been submitted for homologation, isn't ready yet, and also requires the approval of the FIA for it to be used. The 2010 race MIGHT be held on the circuit that's been used since about 97, it might be held on the new layout.

Might, but is not a given.

[AlanK]

Just for the record folks, Silverstone are selling tickets in stands that will suit either layout.
Bridge stand is missing as is the new Arena area.
If Silverstone get FIA approval the new circuit will be used in 2010.
Fact.

ClicK here

[stevvy1986]

Might, but is not a given.

I know, I made that clear, as did Silverstone when they mentioned it.

[Clatter]

I know, I made that clear, as did Silverstone when they mentioned it.

I hope they do use the new layout. Should be able to see the new bit from Stowe, which means I'll be able to see the cars for even more of the lap. The new pits will spoil the view in future.

[johnap]

Lets clarify something here:

They are NOT getting rid of Bridge.

Edited by johnap, 07 December 2009 - 19:21.

[BullHead]

Yes Stowe will be a premium viewing spot.

[BullHead]

Lets clarify something here:

They are NOT getting rid of Bridge.

Yeah good point - the old bits will still be there, won't they? They'll just use new bits.

[AlanK]

Lets clarify something here:

They are NOT getting rid of Bridge.

The bridge may well remain but certainly not as part of the new track layout.

[D82]

Is Hermann Tilke in charge with this?

[Les]

I seem to be in a minority but I think the new layout looks really good and fast so I'm looking forward to seeing it. I'm sure its a formality that next years race will be held on it now.

[wewantourdarbyback]

I seem to be in a minority but I think the new layout looks really good and fast so I'm looking forward to seeing it. I'm sure its a formality that next years race will be held on it now.

IMO it looks like it will provide better racing than the current complex, I like it.

[Les]

Yeah it'll be fast too and I'm up for anything that speeds the circuit up. F1 needs fast circuits at the moment and its in the spirit of the history of Silverstone to have a fast layout albeit with a fast and safe modern twist. I would go further however and ease the Abbey curve into a right kink so it is like the old Abbey kink (pre-chicane) but going in the opposite direction.

Edit: There's another layout shown on F1 Fanatic that includes a faster Abbey and a slightly different layout. Don't know what one will be used.

Edited by Les, 07 December 2009 - 20:21.

[robracer]

I'm a bit confused by the different layouts i've found on the web.





They want to use the first one here for the F1, but what are the other two? Is the second version here the motogp track? The third version I had never seen before today.