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#51 depailler on tyrrell p34

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:22

sorry but I can't see graham hill behind hamilton or gilles villeneuve

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#52 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:24

Here is who took part
http://f1greatestdri...osport.com/who/

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:25

Those that took part are listed here http://f1greatestdri...osport.com/who/

#54 Arion

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:28

Here is who took part
http://f1greatestdri...osport.com/who/


I'd love to see Schumacher's answer

#55 ensign14

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:30

We need to know who voted for Kazuki Nakajima, because they might need sectioning.

I would also suggest anyone who voted for Senna/Schumacher over Clark/Fangio ought to be banned from driving for having the morals of the gutter.

And the only reason I can think of Aguri Suzuki being on the list is racism.

#56 potmotr

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:31

Those that took part are listed here http://f1greatestdri...osport.com/who/


Hats off to Autosport, that is some serious leg work getting around all those drivers.

#57 giacomo

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:31

We need to know who voted for Kazuki Nakajima, because they might need sectioning.

His father was in the jury.

#58 potmotr

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:32

And the only reason I can think of Aguri Suzuki being on the list is racism.


How so?


#59 giacomo

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:32

Hats off to Autosport, that is some serious leg work getting around all those drivers.

email anyone?

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#60 potmotr

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:32

His father was in the jury.


So if Satoru put Kazuki at number 1 he'd get a decent old push.

#61 depailler on tyrrell p34

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:33

His father was in the jury.


:clap: :rotfl:

#62 potmotr

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:33

email anyone?


Still, having a contact book with a reliable email for all those drivers is still quite impressive.

#63 Rob

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:35

Is it possible that in a similar way to how some of us vote crazily on polls just to boost one option primarily for a laugh, there are one or two drivers who have the same twisted sense of humour?

#64 Owen

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:36

It's all subjective anyway really.

#65 grunge

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:38

from the site


86 votes for jim clark

* vote higher
* 90%
* vote lower
* 10%

perhaps there is some sense left in the world after all

#66 Snap Matt

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:38

Still, having a contact book with a reliable email for all those drivers is still quite impressive.

Or perhaps they inadvertantly asked a whole load of fake Facebook users, hence some of the more unusual results.

#67 Rob

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:39

perhaps there is some sense left in the world after all


Although the majority of the top 20 should be higher up, according to the votes. They can't all be higher!

#68 jeze

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:40

Kazuki Nakajima? Satoru can't be serious. Senna is just a fanboy hero, only good over one lap. At least four drivers have been better racers than him in WDC history.

Then, Massa in 59:th? Are they senile? He's 36 places down on the main he beat (!) in Ferrari, and below guys like Zanardi (one F1 point in four years), Pescarolo (sportscar racer), Taruffi (won once because Ascari was at Indy), Kubica (seriously, what has he achieved), Behra (some French guy who couldn't take the fight to any topliner), Button, JV (hmm...), Bellof (better in sportscars, only fast in the wet), Brise (never on the F1 podium).

Poor old Felipe, almost world champion, and then being rated below Le Mans champions and one-hit wonders :drunk:

#69 F1Johnny

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:41

Nakajima and Aguri Suzuki are ridiculous. Zanardi shouldn't be there either. Some of the older guys must have been watching CART and thought it was F1.

Lewis and Vettel are too high. I have no problem with the top 5, not necessarily in that order but a proper composition IMO. Glad to see Prost getting such a good ranking. He had some strong team mates.


Edited by F1Johnny, 10 December 2009 - 16:43.


#70 potmotr

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:42

Poor old Felipe, almost world champion, and then being rated below Le Mans champions and one-hit wonders :drunk:


Sure, but Coulthard and Barrichello are even more hard done by.

Both finished runner up in the championship, just like Felipe, and both have around the same number of wins as Massa.

And they're not even on the list at all!


#71 depailler on tyrrell p34

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:42

Although the majority of the top 20 should be higher up, according to the votes. They can't all be higher!


"They can't all be higher agree"

with you..but there are some nonsense..like the postion of graham hill

Edited by depailler on tyrrell p34, 10 December 2009 - 16:43.


#72 potmotr

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:43

Lewis and Vettel are too high.


Agree on Vettel.

However, I think Lewis is about right given his wins to start ratio, and his form this year in a crap car, and the fact he was a world championship contender out of the box and won the title in his second year.


#73 ensign14

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:44

How so?

I'm guessing that he only got votes from the Japanese who voted for him because he is Japanese. Thanks to the EU's definition, which rules us all, that's racist.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:44

I'm struggling whether or not to agree with Jacques Villenueve's ranking, yes he won a championship and came 2nd the year before, but hardly did anything of note afterwards. I also think Bruce McLaren should be a bit higher probably, but it's an interesting list anyways.

And really Coulthard and Barichello should definitely be on the list because they've all won more than 10 GPs, and only 30 drivers have ever accomplished this.

Edited by gillymuse, 10 December 2009 - 16:47.


#75 Arion

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:46

from the site


86 votes for jim clark

* vote higher
* 90%
* vote lower
* 10%

perhaps there is some sense left in the world after all


For all we know most people might agree with the ranking, but they can't vote "agree".



#76 grunge

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:46

Although the majority of the top 20 should be higher up, according to the votes. They can't all be higher!

not by the difference of 90/10 % though

i cant workout how can one put anyone other than fangio at level or ahead of clark.

#77 milestone 11

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:46

I'd love to see Schumacher's answer

Well he clearly didn't vote for Ralf.

Sorry BrawnGP we cross posted.


#78 depailler on tyrrell p34

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:47

Nakajima and Aguri Suzuki are ridiculous. Zanardi shouldn't be there either. Some of the older guys must have been watching CART and thought it was F1.

Lewis and Vettel are too high. I have no problem with the top 5, not necessarily in that order but a proper composition IMO. Glad to see Prost getting such a good ranking. He had some strong team mates.

agree with you on prost

#79 giacomo

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:48

I'm guessing that he only got votes from the Japanese who voted for him because he is Japanese. Thanks to the EU's definition, which rules us all, that's racist.

Pointing that out is racist as well.  ;)

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#80 GT Racing Online Magazine

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:49

76 Pedro Rodriguez
....
63: Aguri Suzuki
...
57: Alex Zanardi
...
50: Michele Alboreto


W*T*F??

:drunk:

Edited by GT Racing Online Magazine, 10 December 2009 - 16:50.


#81 potmotr

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:50

I'm guessing that he only got votes from the Japanese who voted for him because he is Japanese. Thanks to the EU's definition, which rules us all, that's racist.


I reckon Aguri could be nominated for an bottom end of the top ten on certain lists.

He made the Autocourse top ten in 1990 and looked very strong that season.

Looked a bit wild in 1991.

Personally I think the turning point in Suzuki's career came with this crash in qualifying for the 1991 Australian Grand Prix.* Aguri actually hit his head on the barrier in that crash, and what you don't see is that he collapsed unconscious straight after getting out of the car. He was never the same driver after that I don't reckon.

http://www.youtube.c...Q...PL&index=60

*If you want racism, how about the commentator on the second piece on that clip in talking about Suzuki "kamakazi-ing" his way around the track. Now that's racist.

#82 iotar

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:58

We need to know who voted for Kazuki Nakajima, because they might need sectioning.


Nico Rosberg. No doubt about it. :-)

#83 Anssi

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 16:59

Ah, OK. A List. Once again.

It's probably fun to do it, but personally, I would not bother. I view this as an impossible task and as such largely useless. I have to say however that putting Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna in the top-10 is probably right. Other than that I would not want to say anything for the simple fact I cannot claim to know so much.

It's just a fun exercise, not to be taken very seriously. It's the same thing every time someone comes up with a list like that - don't take it too seriously.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:00

They didn't manage to secure the vote of Gregor Foitek.

I thought he was working for his Dad's car dealership in Switzerland?

http://www.foitek.ch...ge_foitek/team/

Edited by potmotr, 10 December 2009 - 17:02.


#85 robracer

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:02

This week's Autosport magazine features a poll where 217 world championship F1 drivers were asked to vote for the 10 greatest F1 drivers.

The top is much as you'd expect, but the other rankings are sometimes quite bizarre.

For instance:

No David Couldhard! Or Nick Heidfeld! Or Martin Brundle!

But... 76th equal: Mark Webber and... Kazuki Nakajima (among others)!

This places Webber (and Coulthard, and Heidfeld and Brundle) beneath Pedro Lamy (75th!) and Liuzzi (74th!) and Stefano Modena (72nd!).

Aguri Suzuki (63!!!!) is ranked ahead of Johnny Herbert, Chris Amon and Derek Warwick, and only one place ahead of Denny Hulme!

Are these ex-F1 drivers insane?!

I think thepoll reflects drivers who were most visible rather than the best.


Anyway, here is the list:

76=: Peter Collins, Luigi Villoresi, Mark Webber, Mike Hailwood, Pedro Rodriguez, Eddie Irvine, Andrea De Cesaris and Kazuki Nakajima.
75: Pedro Lamy
74: Tonio Liuzzi
73: Harry Schell Who?
72: Stefano Modena
71: Carlos Pace
70: Wolfgang von Trips
69: Maurice Trintignant
68: Hans Herrmann Who?
67: Derek Warwick
66: Johnny Herbert
65: Jean-Pierre Beltoise
64: Chris Amon
63: Aguri Suzuki
62: Denny Hulme
61: Bruce McLaren
60: Tom Pryce
59: Felipe Massa :eek: (Why so low?)
58: Jo Siffert
57: Alex Zanardi :confused: (Why's he there?)
56: Tony Maggs Who?
55: Henri Pescarolo
54: Mike Hawthorn
53: Elio De Angelis
52: Tony Brooks
51: Juan Pablo Montoya
50: Michele Alboreto
49: Jacques Laffite
48: Lorenzo Bandini
47: Jody Scheckter
46: Piero Taruffi (I'd never heard of this guy!) (Neither have I!)
45: Damon Hill
44: Didier Pironi
43: Robert Kubica
42: Jean Alesi
41: Jacques Villeneuve
40: Jacky Ickx
39: Riccardo Patrese
38: Jean Behra
37: Gerhard Berger
36: Clay Regazzoni
35: Stefan Bellof
34: Carlos Reutemann
33: Phil Hill
32: Giuseppe Farina
31: Alan Jones
30: Jenson Button
29: Francois Cervert
28: Dan Gurney
27: Jose Froilan Gonzalez
26: Sebastian Vettel
25: Keke Rosberg
24: James Hunt
23: John Surtees
22: Kimi Raikkonen
21: Graham Hill
20: Mario Andretti
19: Ronnie Petterson
18: Jack Brabham
17: Lewis Hamilton
16: Alberto Ascari
15: Mika Hakkinen
14: Jochen Rindt
13: Nelson Piquet (Snr!)
12: Emerson Fittipaldi
11: Nigel Mansell
10: Gilles Villeneuve
9: Fernando Alonso
8: Sir Stirling Moss
7: Niki Lauda
6: Sir Jackie Stewart
5: Jim Clark
4: Alain Prost
3: Juan Manuel Fangio
2: Michael Schumacher
1: Ayrton Senna


:stoned:

Edited by robracer, 10 December 2009 - 17:05.


#86 Rinehart

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:03

Have I understood this right, for a driver to be on the list, they need to have made it into another drivers top 10 of all time? If so, dear lord...

List shouldn't be more than about 30 names long, tops. Someone thinks Luizzi is one of the 10 best drivers ever????? I shall find out if my wife inadvertantly received the questionaire!

Good to see Jenson featuring somewhere more reasonable in the charts.

#87 depailler on tyrrell p34

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:04

They didn't manage to secure the vote of Gregor Foitek.

I thought he was working for his Dad's car dealership in Switzerland?


yes and foitek have drove also the lorries when he finished with f1

Edited by depailler on tyrrell p34, 10 December 2009 - 17:06.


#88 potmotr

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:07

yes and foitek have drove also the lorries when he finished with f1


How do you mean?

He became a truck driver?

#89 depailler on tyrrell p34

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:11

How do you mean?

He became a truck driver?

YES, I HAVE READ THIS ON THE ITALIAN MAGAZINE AUTOSPRINT

Edited by depailler on tyrrell p34, 10 December 2009 - 17:14.


#90 depailler on tyrrell p34

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:12

:stoned:


THIS IS HANS HERMANN...DURING THE AVUS GP
http://media.photobu...0-20hans2-1.jpg

Edited by depailler on tyrrell p34, 10 December 2009 - 17:14.


#91 Gareth

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:13

It's just a fun exercise, not to be taken very seriously. It's the same thing every time someone comes up with a list like that - don't take it too seriously.

Ah but the fun comes from taking a list like this too seriously. You get to post loads of righteous indignation that driver X is in position Y. If that ain't a good way to spend the off season, I don't know what is ... :D

#92 Claudius

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:14


I think that Alonso, Vettel and Lewis are way too high on that list.
IMO they have to prove more in their career to be so high up.

The polls made in this forum are more balanced that this one...



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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:15

THIS IS HANS HERMANN...SURING THE AVUS GP
http://media.photobu...0-20hans2-1.jpg


:eek:

Why the CAPITAL LETTERS? Is your CAPS LOCK stuck on?

#94 potmotr

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:16

YES, I HAVE READ THIS ON THE ITALIAN MAGAZINE AUTOSPRINT


REALLY? THAT'S INTERESTING.

IT IS AWFULLY LOUD IN HERE ALL OF A SUDDEN.

#95 depailler on tyrrell p34

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:17

:eek:

Why the CAPITAL LETTERS? Is your CAPS LOCK stuck on?

sorry...for work I use always the caps lock on...I'm sorry

#96 depailler on tyrrell p34

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:19

[quote name='robracer' date='Dec 10 2009, 18:15' post='4033705']
:eek:

pics from another view
http://thechicaneblo...rmann-crash.jpg

http://static.blogo....errmannhans.jpg

#97 ensign14

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:20

How do you mean?

He became a truck driver?

God help us all. Can someone tell when he is on the road? The guy was a total menace, a liability and a disgrace, and should have been banned for life for ruining Herbert's career.

#98 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:21

I suggest that this poll once and for all bury the idea that the drivers have any better input as to which drivers are good and who is not.

:cool:

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:22

Well he clearly didn't vote for Ralf.


:lol:

I'm just surprised he took part in the survey, I think he's the only one in the top 10 who's bothered with a response. I'd love to see Lauda and Prost's lists too. Interestingly, many WDCs didn't take part.

Edited by Arion, 10 December 2009 - 17:25.


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Posted 10 December 2009 - 17:22

This week's Autosport magazine features a poll where 217 world championship F1 drivers were asked to vote for the 10 greatest F1 drivers.

The top is much as you'd expect, but the other rankings are sometimes quite bizarre.

For instance:

No David Couldhard! Or Nick Heidfeld! Or Martin Brundle!

But... 76th equal: Mark Webber and... Kazuki Nakajima (among others)!

This places Webber (and Coulthard, and Heidfeld and Brundle) beneath Pedro Lamy (75th!) and Liuzzi (74th!) and Stefano Modena (72nd!).

Aguri Suzuki (63!!!!) is ranked ahead of Johnny Herbert, Chris Amon and Derek Warwick, and only one place ahead of Denny Hulme!

Are these ex-F1 drivers insane?!

I think thepoll reflects drivers who were most visible rather than the best.


Anyway, here is the list:

76=: Peter Collins, Luigi Villoresi, Mark Webber, Mike Hailwood, Pedro Rodriguez, Eddie Irvine, Andrea De Cesaris and Kazuki Nakajima.
75: Pedro Lamy
74: Tonio Liuzzi
73: Harry Schell
72: Stefano Modena
71: Carlos Pace
70: Wolfgang von Trips
69: Maurice Trintignant
68: Hans Herrmann
67: Derek Warwick
66: Johnny Herbert
65: Jean-Pierre Beltoise
64: Chris Amon
63: Aguri Suzuki
62: Denny Hulme
61: Bruce McLaren
60: Tom Pryce
59: Felipe Massa
58: Jo Siffert
57: Alex Zanardi
56: Tony Maggs
55: Henri Pescarolo
54: Mike Hawthorn
53: Elio De Angelis
52: Tony Brooks
51: Juan Pablo Montoya
50: Michele Alboreto
49: Jacques Laffite
48: Lorenzo Bandini
47: Jody Scheckter
46: Piero Taruffi (I'd never heard of this guy!)
45: Damon Hill
44: Didier Pironi
43: Robert Kubica
42: Jean Alesi
41: Jacques Villeneuve
40: Jacky Ickx
39: Riccardo Patrese
38: Jean Behra
37: Gerhard Berger
36: Clay Regazzoni
35: Stefan Bellof
34: Carlos Reutemann
33: Phil Hill
32: Giuseppe Farina
31: Alan Jones
30: Jenson Button
29: Francois Cervert
28: Dan Gurney
27: Jose Froilan Gonzalez
26: Sebastian Vettel
25: Keke Rosberg
24: James Hunt
23: John Surtees
22: Kimi Raikkonen
21: Graham Hill
20: Mario Andretti
19: Ronnie Petterson
18: Jack Brabham
17: Lewis Hamilton
16: Alberto Ascari
15: Mika Hakkinen
14: Jochen Rindt
13: Nelson Piquet (Snr!)
12: Emerson Fittipaldi
11: Nigel Mansell
10: Gilles Villeneuve
9: Fernando Alonso
8: Sir Stirling Moss
7: Niki Lauda
6: Sir Jackie Stewart
5: Jim Clark
4: Alain Prost
3: Juan Manuel Fangio
2: Michael Schumacher
1: Ayrton Senna


Vettel P26, Kubica 40 something...

JPM and JV are nowhere.

Do not agree with the top.
MS I would personally rate above Senna. Prost would be No. 2, maybe sharing P1 with Michael. while Senna 3

I cannot rate Clark or Fangio, because I wouldn't even know to judge them in fair manner. I think conditions then, and conditions in recent history might not even be comparable for all practical reasons.

Edited by MiPe, 10 December 2009 - 17:23.