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[quintin cloud]

hi guys

in 1980 the spanish gp was sopose to be a world championship
race event which was planed to be raced after gp and
because the drivers refused to pay fines from Zolder dispute
and FISA declared non-championship and illegal, I do know
that the spanish gp is again one of those fisa - foca disputes which has been seen in the past as in san marino 1982 , and Ferrari, Renault and Alfa Romeo boycotted race. now I have listed following result in my webpage
can anybody help me finish the result ? and any other info
that might not be know to the world.

Spanish GP

1 June 1980, Jarama, Spain, 80 laps
Lap Distance=2.06 miles. Race Distance=164.74 miles.

1 Alan Jones Williams-Cosworth FW07B '7' 1h43m14.076, 95.69mph
2 Jochen Mass Arrows-Cosworth A3 '4' 1h44m05.016
3 Elio de Angelis Lotus-Cosworth 81 'R3' 80 laps
4 Jean-Pierre Jarier Tyrrell-Cosworth 010 '1' 79 laps
5 Emerson Fittipaldi Fittipaldi-Cosworth '1' 79 laps
6 Patrick Gaillard Ensign-Cosworth N180 'MN-14' 75 laps

Fastest Lap: Alan Jones (Williams-Cosworth FW07B), 1:15.467, 98.17mph
Pole Position: Jacques Laffite (Ligier-Cosworth JS11 '03'), 1:12.647

[quintin cloud]

sorry I forgot to say that it was sopose to have been
after the monaco gp .

[Marcor]

Only six finished.

Grand Prix international also classified as
7- Eddie Cheever Osella FA1/2 Cosworth 67 laps
8- Didier Pironi Ligier JS11/15 Cosworth, 65 laps

Auto Hebdo only said that they both retired !

retirements list:
Eddie Cheever, lap 67.
Didier Pironi, lap 65 (lost front right wheel)
John Watson McLaren M29B/3 Cosworth, collision with Patrick Gaillard, lap 49.
Nelson Piquet, Brabham BT49/7 Cosworth, gearbox, 42 laps.
Geoff Lees, Theodore-Shadow DN12/01 Cosworth, rear suspension broken, 41 laps.
Ricardo Zunino, Brabham BT49B/02 Cosworth, 36 or 33 laps.(two sources !).
Carlos Reutemann, Williams FW07B/05 Cosworth, collision with Laffite, 35 laps
Jacques Laffite, Ligier JS11/15 Cosworth, collision with Reutemann, 35 laps.
Emilio de Villota, RAM racing Williams FW07/03 Cosworth, collision with Laffite, 35 laps.
Mario Andretti, Lotus 81/2 Cosworth, broken engine, 28 laps.
Riccardo Patrese, Arrows A3/05 Cosworth, brakes or gearbox, 29 or 36 laps.
Jan Lammers, ATS D4/05 Cosworth, broken engine, 25 laps.
Derek Daly,Tyrrel 010/2 Cosworth, accident, 11 (12) laps.
Keke Rosberg, Fittipaldi F7 Cosworth, accident, 10 laps.
Alain Prost, McLaren M29/3 Cosworth, broken engine, 4 laps.
David Kennedy, Theodore Shadow DN12/2 Cosworth, accident, 1 lap.

Withdrew:
Jody Scheckter, Ferrari 312 T5
Gilles Villeneuve, Ferrari 312 T5
Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Renault RE23
René Arnoux, Renault RE24
Patrick Depailler, Alfa Romeo 179/3
Bruno Giacomelli, Alfa Romeo 179/4
Vittorio Brambilla, Alfa Romeo 179/1

[Boniver]

quintin,

welcome


Rudiger/Boniver

[Boniver]

FORFET
DNA E. Salazar - Williams RAM - FW7-1
DNA B. Henton - Ensign MN180

[jarama]

quintin,

I can add a little more stuff about the F1 race held at Jarama on 1 June 1980.

First of all, it was the first (and only?) illegal F1 race from the inception of the WDC, because was raced outside the FISA organisation, only under the RACE (Real Automóvil Club de España) control.

The first practice session, on friday 30 May, was the only lawful one, with seven cars in the track: the Reanults, the Alfa Romeos, the Ferraris and Emilio de Villota at the wheel of his Williams -not being a FOCA member. The results were,

1st.) René Arnoux, Renault RE24, 1'13"90
2nd.) Bruno Giacomelli, Alfa Romeo N179, 1'14"63
3rd.) Gilles Villeneuve, Ferrari 312T5, 1'15"63
4th.) Jody Scheckter, Ferrari 312T5, 1'15"79
5th.) Vittorio Brambilla, Alfa Romeo N179, 1'17"92
6th.) Emilio de Villota, Williams Ford FW07, 1'17"95
7th.) Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Renault RE23, 1'18"67

After this session, the race was stated as illegal by the FISA, so the FISA-faithful teams went back home, remaining on the circuit the FOCA members and Emilio de Villota.

For the race, the starting grid was,

Jacques Laffite, Ligier Ford JS11/15, 1'12"64
Alan Jones, Williams Ford FW07B, 1'13"02

Didier Pironi, Ligier Ford JS11/15, 1'13"03
Carlos Reutemann, Williams Ford FW07B, 1'13"27

Nelson Piquet, Brabham Ford BT49, 1'13"60
Alain Prost, McLaren Ford M29C, 1'13"63

Riccardo Zunino, Brabham Ford BT49, 1'14"18
Mario Andretti, Lotus Ford 81, 1'14"24

Jan Lammers, ATS Ford D4, 1'14"42
Eddie Cheever, Osella Ford FA1, 1'14"42

Riccardo Patrese, Arrows Ford A3, 1'14"43
John Watson, McLaren Ford M29C, 1'14"57

Elio de Angelis, Lotus Ford 81, 1'14"58
Jochen Mass, Arrows Ford A3, 1'14"80

Jean-Pierre Jarier, Tyrrell Ford 010, 1'14"82
Derek Daly, Tyrrell Ford 010, 1'14"96

Emilio de Villota, Williams Ford FW07, 1'15"04
Keke Rosberg, Fittipaldi Ford F7, 1'15"10

Emerson Fittipaldi, Fittipaldi Ford F7, 1'15"17
Geoff Lees, Shadow Ford DN12, 1'15"70

Patrick Gaillard, Ensign Ford N180, 1'15"95
David Kennedy, Shadow Ford DN12, 1'16"44

[quintin cloud]

thanks guys I'll publish the result in the next 48 hours.

[Bob Amblard]

Hello,

For a long time, I am asking myself which number Vittorio Brambilla use during this "GP", in fact only during the tests.
Was it the #24 or #35.
If there is a spanish formula 1 fan on this, can he help me ? May be with a picture of Vitt at Jarama on the Alfa Romeo.

Gracias y Salu2.

[Frank de Jong]

As a Dutchman, I remember that this race was another "what-if" one:
Lammers was in the race either in front of Jones or close behind him (don't remember that) before falling victim of another of those penny-wise ATS defects.

[GIGLEUX]

Originally posted by Bob Amblard
Hello,

For a long time, I am asking myself which number Vittorio Brambilla use during this "GP", in fact only during the tests.
Was it the #24 or #35.
If there is a spanish formula 1 fan on this, can he help me ? May be with a picture of Vitt at Jarama on the Alfa Romeo.

Gracias y Salu2.

Not a spanish fan but I can say he had n°35!

[Bob Amblard]

Originally posted by GIGLEUX

Not a spanish fan but I can say he had n°35!

Great answer . Thank you.
Do you remember or did you take a pic or see a pic in a newspaper ?

One more time, thanks for the information.

[edelweiss]

For those interested: here is a review (20 minutes) of the Spanish GP 1980 Jarama. Not to good quality (original Betamax-video copied in 1990 to VHS-video, that tape was digitalised some 6 months ago by me).
From Dutch Television NOS, dutch commentary:

http://rapidshare.co...aGP80.part1.rar

http://rapidshare.co...aGP80.part2.rar

http://rapidshare.co...aGP80.part3.rar

http://rapidshare.co...aGP80.part4.rar

http://rapidshare.co...aGP80.part5.rar


Enjoy!

Edelweiss

(first download all5 parts, use WinRar to join them)

[rvbasten]

Originally posted by Bob Amblard


Great answer . Thank you.
Do you remember or did you take a pic or see a pic in a newspaper ?

One more time, thanks for the information.

Thanks for that answer. This is him, not on his own car.

[edelweiss]

More Jarama-pics:


















(Villeneuve red-flagged on Friday morning, only pic I ever saw of a Ferrari, Renault or Alfa driving in 1980 Jarama)

[edelweiss]

More pics:

[edelweiss]

Here you can find more info and pics:

http://foro-gratis.l...tohistoria.html

http://www.lookweb.c...sp/8007esp.html

[David M. Kane]

How did Derek Daly manage to make it lap 11?

[nigel5]

Still no one has a picture of Vittorio Brambilla driving the Alfa Romeo on the track ?

[arttidesco]

As I understood it when I read about it in Motor Sport (July 1980) earlier this week, after the teams arrived in Spain they were informed that the FIA had declared the race illegal and Ferrari, Renault and Alfa Romeo with interests far beyond the F1 paddock felt it prudent to withdraw fearing some kind of sanctions might be imposed in other FIA related activities.

So the Ferrari, Renault and Alfa Romeo teams never turned a wheel at Jarama on the 1st June 1980 Spanish GP weekend of the race, despite getting as far as the pits and getting fully kitted up and ready to roll hence there will be no on track photo's :-)

Unless some one knows something different :-)

Any one have any pics of Giacomelli on track in his Alfa Romeo 179 at Jarama in 1981 ?

Edited by arttidesco, 01 May 2010 - 03:18.

[ReWind]

So the Ferrari, Renault and Alfa Romeo teams never turned a wheel at Jarama on the 1st June 1980 Spanish GP weekend of the race

No.
The first practice session on Friday morning was attended only by Alfa Romeo, Renault, Ferrari, and Emilio de Villota until it was stopped at 10:32 h.
Fastest times were (according to Heinz Prüller’s yearbook): Arnoux 1.13,896; Giacomelli 1.14,665; Villeneuve 1.15,638; Scheckter 1.15,802; Brambilla 1.18,007; Jabouille 1.18,734.
“Grand Prix international” magazine published slightly different times: Arnoux 1.13,90; Giacomelli 1.14,63; Villeneuve 1.15,63; Scheckter 1.15,79; Brambilla 1.17,92; Villota 1.17,95 (no sign of him at Prüller’s); Jabouille 1.18,67.

EDIT: Oh, sorry, post # 6 had it already.

Edited by ReWind, 01 May 2010 - 07:00.

[arttidesco]

Thanks ReWind I stand corrected :-)

[arttidesco]

One odd thing I have noticed is that neither Pruller or GPI make any mention of Patrick Depailler's times, in the newspaper photo post #13 we can see Vitorio Brambilla clearly standing on the #22 car can any one confirm the Patrick was actually at the 1980 Spanish GP ? DSJ mentions in contemporary Motor Sports that forces were at work within Autodelta to field a third car for Brambilla and this is the only race where it appears this might have happened had it not been for the contemporary politics.

For those thinking of checking at racingsportscars.com you will draw a blank no mention of Brambilla and the Programme, which also makes no mention of Brambilla, is so sketchy it has mixed up the photo of the Marlboro McLarens with the Marboro Alfa Romeos see :-
http://www.racingspo...1980-06-01e.jpg

[Hieronymus]

One odd thing I have noticed is that neither Pruller or GPI make any mention of Patrick Depailler's times, in the newspaper photo post #13 we can see Vitorio Brambilla clearly standing on the #22 car can any one confirm the Patrick was actually at the 1980 Spanish GP ? DSJ mentions in contemporary Motor Sports that forces were at work within Autodelta to field a third car for Brambilla and this is the only race where it appears this might have happened had it not been for the contemporary politics.

AUTOCOURSE 1980/81 shows a photo of Patrick and Bruno on a motorbike (IN RACE OVERALLS) at the Spanish GP.

[Formula Once]

As a Dutchman, I remember that this race was another "what-if" one:
Lammers was in the race either in front of Jones or close behind him (don't remember that) before falling victim of another of those penny-wise ATS defects.

Jan was running sixth from the start and doing so quite quickly actually. A ""what if" indeed, as given his lap times he was going places. He eventually retired with a gearbox problem.

[arttidesco]

AUTOCOURSE 1980/81 shows a photo of Patrick and Bruno on a motorbike (IN RACE OVERALLS) at the Spanish GP.

thanks Hieronymus

Moving forward to 1981, does any one recognise the pit lane in this photo featuring Mario Andretti Alfa Romeo 179 ?

Edited by arttidesco, 31 May 2010 - 08:42.

[sonar]

AUTOCOURSE 1980/81 shows a photo of Patrick and Bruno on a motorbike (IN RACE OVERALLS) at the Spanish GP.

thanks Hieronymus

Moving forward to 1981, does any one recognise the pit lane in this photo featuring Mario Andretti Alfa Romeo 179 ?

Österreichring.

[arttidesco]

Not sure how you got that sonar, I thought the old 1980 style wings must date it earlier in the season, but looking at the you tube clip (@ 1m 44 secs) of the 1981 Austrian GP I can see your right :-)

Thanks very much sonar, I've only been trying to work it out for three weeks :-)

[sonar]

Not sure how you got that sonar, I thought the old 1980 style wings must date it earlier in the season, but looking at the you tube clip (@ 1m 44 secs) of the 1981 Austrian GP I can see your right :-)

Thanks very much sonar, I've only been trying to work it out for three weeks :-)

I simply googled 'Mario Andretti 1981' -images and I got this: http://www.raceretro...tID=@0000000189
It's clearly the same pitlane and background.

[arttidesco]

I saw that pic and didn't notice the similarities of the back grounds at all, another case of not being able to see the wood for the tree's perhaps

Thanks again :-)

[sonar]

You're welcome.
I'm glad I was able to help.

[MattFoster]

I will check my 1980/81 Autocourse to see what number Vitt was meant to use when I get home tonight

[arttidesco]

I will check my 1980/81 Autocourse to see what number Vitt was meant to use when I get home tonight

RacingSportsCars.com says Vittorrio was entered in the #35 for the 1980 Spanish GP.

Edited by arttidesco, 31 May 2010 - 23:47.

[bigears]

I might have something in my 1980 Motoring News, I will have a scan of the race report later.