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#1 Regazzoni

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 09:09

Can anyone help me with information about the Arrows FA1,1978, car which debuted at the Brazilian GP at Jacarepagua, driven by Riccardo Patrese
In particular I am looking for the technical details’ photos, scans (and a cutway?? if it exists).

I always liked that car and thought it was a great car, so much so that the following A1 - modified after the famous Shadow law suit - was not as good.
I remember Autosprint at the time published a series of pictures of the car (front and rear suspension, side pods, chassis, etc); unfortunately I don’t have my collection anymore, lost in moving house to the UK.

It was designed by the great designer Tony Southgate, author of a number of effective and beautiful cars (BRM, Lotus, all the most beautiful Shadows, even an Osella with a beautiful front suspension, the Jaguar Group C, Ferrari Barchetta and many others) and I am looking forward to read his announced book.

Any information would really be greatly appreciated.


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#2 ensign14

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 09:50

You need Pit and Paddock by Michael Frostick, you can see it's available quite cheaply. That has four pages of photos and potted text with a couple of behind the scenes assembly shots. Plus it's a decent book for lots of other interesting photos.

#3 buckaluck

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 21:32

Get a copy of Formula magazine Oct. 1978 it has cutaway's of the Shadow and Arrows and talks about how the court decided they were basically the same car. I only have xerox copies. Also has pics of the rear suspension of both cars.

Buck

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#4 Vitesse2

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 12:31

I am also looking into historic racing, there was an FA1 in the US circuit sometime ago, but now it looks like it has disappeared.

I doubt that very much. The four chassis built and all infringing parts (about two-fifths of the design) were ordered to be destroyed.

#5 beighes

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 19:35

Greetings,
My 2p worth. I have seen (quite a while ago) the bits & pieces of the Arrows cars at one of Don's shops. Memory fades, but there is something about my conversation with Don, about the Arrows bits making ready to go spares for the Shadows.
Cheers,
Steve

#6 beighes

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 20:44

Steve, thanks to clarify, I had read that he used the Arrows as spare parts for the Shadows, probably he had left enough to sell a complete car.

Greetings Regazzoni,
I sent you a pm.
Cheers,
Steve

#7 Thundersports

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 23:44

There is a A1 competing in Historics in Europe.

#8 Maldwyn

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 09:04

There is a A1 competing in Historics in Europe.

I've heard about another A1 that has recently been purchased. Not sure if it will be racing or not.

It's a real shame the first FA1 no longer exisits. The whole Shadow/Arrows story is wrapped up in that car, and while the results don't look too impressive on paper it certainly made an impact in South Africa, and could so easily have been a race winner.


#9 SteveCook

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 16:14

There is / was an FA1 running in vintage events here in the U.S. I think it's still in Arizona. Here is a link to At Speed Images, a photo site and service documenting vintage and current race events. Michael P., the proprietor of At Speed Images, performs a helpful service in capturing images and providing an easily serched site.
IIRC, the car in the photos was purchased from Mr. Nichols several years ago.

Also, there is a cutaway in the Sal Incandela (sp?) F1 book of an Arrows FA1, that may be actually a Shadow DN9A, as I thought one difference between the two siblings was the water heat exchanger (radiator) is in the nose of the Shadow, where on the Arrows the oil cooler was in the nose.


#10 paulsenna1

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 23:34

There is / was an FA1 running in vintage events here in the U.S. I think it's still in Arizona. Here is a link to At Speed Images


To my untrained eye that looks like an Arrows A1 rather than a FA1.

#11 ibsenop

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 20:58

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Sketch by Giorgio Piola

#12 ibsenop

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 21:32

Taken from the Doug Nye's book.

#13 Kitkent

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 00:13

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A 1/43 FA1 model,long out of production.

#14 hansfohr

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 08:27

Probably these FA1 pics (Brands Hatch 1978) might be helpful too for diecast enthousiasts.

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#15 hansfohr

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 14:28

Thanks for the pictures Hansfohr. Any Arrows' picture taken during the South African GP 1978 is welcome, but I am particularly keen to see pictures of the technical details under the car body and the sidepods.

This is Stommelen's Kyalami FA1, although hiding any significant details underneath.

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EDIT: check out Patrese's website for numerous Kyalami pics: http://riccardopatre...og/?page_id=342

Edited by hansfohr, 16 February 2010 - 14:38.


#16 angst

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 14:51

This is Stommelen's Kyalami FA1, although hiding any significant details underneath.

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EDIT: check out Patrese's website for numerous Kyalami pics: http://riccardopatre...og/?page_id=342



Just out of interest, what is the transverse mounted 12 cylinder car within your Imageshack album?

#17 hansfohr

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 16:43

Just out of interest, what is the transverse mounted 12 cylinder car within your Imageshack album?

Honda's first F1 prototype, the RA270. :)


#18 angst

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 16:54

Honda's first F1 prototype, the RA270. :)


Cheers... nice render..

#19 hansfohr

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 17:18

I found 'undercover' details of the FA1 in Schwab's F1 annual! :p

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#20 hansfohr

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 19:39

Now you're talking!! Thank you very much Hans, this is starting to give me real insight. That's exactly the kind of details I'm looking for. The general shape of a car is a relatively easy and feasible thing to do. Few details can be borrowed from other cars' details of the same period (Cosworth, Hewland etc). But there are peculiar details that each car has and must be looked at rather than guessed and this kind of pictures do exactly that. The rear bulkhead, the sidepods open, the suspensions. Detailing in scale modeling is everything. If you find more don't be shy. Thank you again, really appreciated. What is the complete title of the Schwab F1 annual?

You're welcome Regga! I won't hesitate to dig up more details. Ever spotted this model? http://cashpick.stak...2004/index.html :)

Ulrich Schwab's annual is simply titled 'Grand Prix 1978'.

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#21 hansfohr

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 19:47

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#22 hansfohr

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 19:48

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#23 hansfohr

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 23:05

Patrese's Arrows AF1 in the Monaco pits

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#24 hansfohr

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 23:08

Rolf Stommelen's AF1 at Paul Ricard

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