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#51 krapmeister

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 13:05

...They're big ticket items, two and a half grand unpainted, and the drivers get through three or four a season I've been led to believe.


Pocket money to most of the established F1 drivers - and tax deductible too...

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#52 potmotr

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 13:08

Pocket money to most of the established F1 drivers - and tax deductible too...


Yeah, but I'm wondering whether guys like Button and Schumacher are actually paid to wear Bell and Schuberth.

They raise the brand awareness by a massive factor.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 13:13

Yeah, but I'm wondering whether guys like Button and Schumacher are actually paid to wear Bell and Schuberth.

They raise the brand awareness by a massive factor.


Agree - I'm sure most of the big names are. Or at least they don't have to pay for them.

But even if they did - while a big ticket item to most of us mere mortals - I doubt the cost would raise much of a sweat.

TBH though - I would have thought for helmet manufacturers MotoGP etc would be more valuable in raising brand awareness and increasing sales...

#54 potmotr

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 13:15

TBH though - I would have thought for helmet manufacturers MotoGP etc would be more valuable in raising brand awareness and increasing sales...


I agree, because next to no one wears a helmet in a car, except for those racing.

Everyone riding a bike must wear a helmet.

Or at least in most places.

#55 FonzCam

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 14:07

Since people keep misidentifying helmets here's a quick guide...

Schuberth - Visor has a black triangular catch in the middle.
Arai - Has a small lever on the left
Bell - Visor covers a rectangular opening

Schuberth - No air intake below the visor
Arai - Two thin rectangular intakes below visor
Bell - Two triangular intakes below the visor

Schuberth - Single channel air intake above visor
Arai - Three circular intakes above the visor
Bell - Dual channel (has an indentation down the middle) air intake above visor

Schuberth - Big chin
Arai - small chin
Bell - big chin with a lip at bottom.

They also have quite distinct visor shapes where they attach to the helmet. The Schuberth and Bell suddenly narrow whilst the Schuberth and Arai both sweep upwards to the screw.



#56 thiscocks

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 14:17

Yeah, but I'm wondering whether guys like Button and Schumacher are actually paid to wear Bell and Schuberth.

They raise the brand awareness by a massive factor.


I guess the driver decides which one he likes to start with then if the helmet company make life easier for him by supplying good support then the driver sticks with it- like button has with the Bell. I've always been a fan of the Bell helmets. My fave were the simple looking M3s Senna and co wore.

Are Bell british?- I've always assumed so..

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 14:29

Bell are American
http://www.bellbikeh...s.com/about.asp


#58 potmotr

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 14:35

Bell are American
http://www.bellbikeh...s.com/about.asp


The company which makes the Bell helmets worn in F1 is aactually totally separate from the American operation.

It is called Bell Racing Europe.

Only thing the same is the name.

http://www.bellracing.info/hp3.php

#59 potmotr

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 14:49

Since people keep misidentifying helmets here's a quick guide...


Nice work.

And here is what they look like unpainted.

The Arai GP6 can be bought off the shelf, as can the HP3.

Schuberth is by order only I believe.

Arai GP6

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Bell HP3

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Schuberth RF1

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These helmets are super expensive because the shell is all carbon or kevlar.

That's so the pass the FIA's strict helmet standard 8860-2004 which was brought in a few years ago.

This document is really interesting.

It shows the helmets which have passed the FIA's standards, and includes technical specifications and technical drawings.

http://argent.fia.co...oved_helmet.pdf

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#60 salamin

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 19:22

close up on black schumacher helmet

#61 FonzCam

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 19:27

close up on black schumacher helmet


Looks like the Schuberth and Bell had a baby

What happened to the chin?

......must....resist....urge......to make......Schumacher chin.......joke.....

#62 ashnathan

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 20:19

That prototype Schuberth has 4 triangular vents on the chin. Looks hideous.

#63 potmotr

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 23:04

That prototype Schuberth has 4 triangular vents on the chin. Looks hideous.


Yikes, that looks like ****! Really hope it doesn't take off. I wonder if the air flow to the driver is better?

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#64 potmotr

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 23:55

Some hackette from Bild got to take Schumi's helmet, if you follow...

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A few interesting facts from this otherwise crap story in Bild.

Schumacher has a small head, size 54. Too small for the girl reporter to fit on her head! The colours are "fire red", the choice of Corinna Schumacher. The names of Schumacher's kids are also on the helmet in Chinese letters.

http://www.bild.de/B...humis-helm.html

#65 alg7_munif

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 00:41

The Schuberth is worth ten thousand Euros once painted.

Massive investment for Lewis just to have a go!

It will worth nothing painted if Lewis doesn't use it as his official helmet.

Heiki and Schumi using Simpson Diamondback:
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 02:51

According to this "article" Schubert's helmets are individually adjusted for every driver with a full 3D head scan.
The hull has 16 layers of carbon fiber, is 4 mm thick and could theoretically stand small caliber rifle shots.
7 liter per second of fresh air flows through the helmet (when in motion).
The whole thing weights 1.350 gram.

A complete list of all Schubert drivers will be released shortly, the following are sure on it:
Schumacher
Massa
Alonso
Rosberg
Hulkenberg

Edited by Bbbut, 05 February 2010 - 02:52.


#67 salamin

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 17:53

close up on black bell kubica helmet
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#68 Victor_RO

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 18:02

Heiki and Schumi using Simpson Diamondback:
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I'm sorry, but that is actually Richard Hammond. :p (Seriously.)

#69 bub72ck

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 14:00

According to this "article" Schubert's helmets are individually adjusted for every driver with a full 3D head scan.
The hull has 16 layers of carbon fiber, is 4 mm thick and could theoretically stand small caliber rifle shots.
7 liter per second of fresh air flows through the helmet (when in motion).
The whole thing weights 1.350 gram.

A complete list of all Schubert drivers will be released shortly, the following are sure on it:
Schumacher
Massa
Alonso
Rosberg
Hulkenberg


As far as reserve drivers I think it's Fisi, Heidfeld, Badoer, Gene.

Great post guys! Look forward to reading and contributing. I'm a big fan of F1 as well as helmet design and technology.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 18:52

I'm sorry, but that is actually Richard Hammond. :p (Seriously.)

Indeed it is, and he's wearing an Arai

Here's Heiki as The Stig also in a white Arai
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Posted 08 February 2010 - 19:03

The first time i drove a single seater, my chin strap almost strangled me it was lifting that much on the straight!


I got the same feeling at higher speeds with F1 (from about 220 kph I guess). But I was sitting clearly too high there. Then I have never experience those problems with smaller single-seaters or go-karts.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 21:43

I got the same feeling at higher speeds with F1 (from about 220 kph I guess). But I was sitting clearly too high there. Then I have never experience those problems with smaller single-seaters or go-karts.


You've driven F1?

Cool, what kind of car?

#73 potmotr

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 12:48

PS: Does anyone still use Shoei?


Nope. Shoei has quite big in the early 90s. They had an exclusive supply deal with Ferrari in 1991 then with McLaren in 1992.

After that Senna used one in 1993, and Alesi kept using one for some years.

Apparently Shoei was bought out in the late 90s and the new owners weren't keen on pouring cash into F1 designs.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 12:49

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Liuzzi is sticking with a Bell HP3.

His 2010 design is at the top, compared with 2009 below.

Looks far better with the Italian flag IMO.

#75 potmotr

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 13:15

Also interesting that Liuzzi prefers a visor strip which is really tiny.

Nigel Mansell and Jacques Villeneuve used to have visor strips about two inches thick!

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 13:26

helmet so strong it survived being run over by a battle tank
http://hellforleathe...developing.html

I remember having a pic somewhere of a tank running over a Schuberth helmet being testing for MS.....back in 2003 i think.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 13:30

Also interesting that Liuzzi prefers a visor strip which is really tiny.

Nigel Mansell and Jacques Villeneuve used to have visor strips about two inches thick!

I recall seeing Sutil in a few races with DOUBLE visor strips... top and bottom.

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Always gave that 'small slit' look to the helmet. Know anyone else who ran like this?

#78 potmotr

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 13:40

I recall seeing Sutil in a few races with DOUBLE visor strips... top and bottom.

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Always gave that 'small slit' look to the helmet. Know anyone else who ran like this?


Villeneuve ran like that in 2002.

So did Trulli and Frentzen at Jordan in 2001.

#79 potmotr

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 13:40

I remember having a pic somewhere of a tank running over a Schuberth helmet being testing for MS.....back in 2003 i think.


Was his head in it? :p

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 13:54

What song is this:

Get down on it.
Suck my helmet.
Please don't bite it.
Just excite it.

PS: Does anyone still use Shoei?


Kool and the gang... Get down on it. The exact words we used for a cover once!...


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Posted 09 February 2010 - 13:55

Was his head in it? :p

:rotfl: dont think it would have made a difference.

Here's the story but unfortunately i still cant find my pic of that test.

Even a tank can't halt schu now

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#82 Kop Alonso

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 20:36

Great thread this one , it got me thinking about some of the helmets that I remember when I first started watching F1 around 1982...

Piquets design was always my favourite & he used a GPA, a Bell & also an Agv ...what ever happened to the GPA brand, I remember Rene Arnoux always used one & Giles Villeneuve also ?

I remember Berger using a Nolan one season for Ferrari ...

Michele Alboretto often used a JEBS, after a quick Google I was surprised to find they still exist today ....


Also could someone tell me what helmets Cheever & Patrese wore at Alfa Romeo from 84-85 ....as it always bugs me .....its looks like some four letter name such as N O VA... or was that some obsure Italian sponsor ?

see below ..

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#83 fer312t

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 20:45

It's an Italian Brand NAVA, I guess more known for their Motorcycle racing helmets (worn by Agostini etc.)

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 20:49

thanks for that , I have never seen anyone else wear a Nava....

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 21:33

Also interesting that Liuzzi prefers a visor strip which is really tiny.

Nigel Mansell and Jacques Villeneuve used to have visor strips about two inches thick!


Now thats a visor strip:
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 21:37

helmet so strong it survived being run over by a battle tank
http://hellforleathe...developing.html

I remember having a pic somewhere of a tank running over a Schuberth helmet being testing for MS.....back in 2003 i think.



Here ya go...

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 21:46

I found a little info on RHEOS helmets which were apprently made by Honda for Senna and Berger.

"The Rheos was a very unique helmet made by Honda especially for drivers Ayrton & Gerhard in 1990 & 1991. To date there have been no accurate replicas made of this helmet, as no spare helmets or molds are out there."

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 21:50

A quick search brought me to this:

What helmets do F1 drivers wear?
http://www.talklambo...read.php?t=3386

A post from 2008:

F1 uses the FIA 8860-2004 standard. Many are controlled sales and $10k maybe a starting price. The attached PDF contains the current approval list.

-mick

PS Trivia list of who has worn what in times gone by:

AGV - Andrea de Cesaris, Niki Lauda, Alan Jones, Vittorio Brambilla, Lella Lombardi, Emerson Fittipaldi, Ingo Hoffman, Bruno Giacomelli, Alex Ribeiro,

Arai - Alain Prost, Olivier Grouillard, Michele Alboreto, Jean Alesi, Philippe Alliot, Marco Apicella, Julian Bailey, Nelson Piquet, Rubens Barrichello, Paul Belmondo, Gerhard Berger, Mark Blundell, Jean-Christophe Boullion, Thierry Boutsen, Adrian Campos, Ivan Capelli, David Coulthard, Elio de Angelis, Martin Donnelly, Heinz-Harald Frentzen, Bruno Giacomelli, Roberto Guerrero, Mauricio Gugelmin, Mika Hakkinen, Johnny Herbert, Damon Hill, Eddie Irvine, Stefan Johansson, Ukyo Katayama, Jan Lammers, Pedro Lamy, JJ Lehto, Jan Magnussen, Nigel Mansell, Pierluigi Martini, Andrea Montermini, Gianni Morbidelli, Roberto Moreno, Satoru Nakajima, Jonathan Palmer, Olivier Panis, Max Papis, Riccardo Patrese, Emanuele Pirro, Alain Prost, Roland Ratzenberger, Keke Rosberg, Luis Sala, Jean-Louis Schlesser, Michael Schumacher, Philippe Streiff, Gabriele Tarquini, Eric van de Poole, Jos Verstappen, Derek Warwick, Karl Wendlinger.

Bell - Patrick Tambay, Kenneth Acheson, Chris Amon, Mario & Michael Andretti, Derek Bell, Tom Belso, Jean-Pierre Beltoise, Mike Beuttler, Michael Bleekemolen, Vittoro Brambilla, Tony Brise, Martin Brundle, Tommy Byrne, Luis Bueno, Francois Cevert, Dave Charlton, Eddie Cheever, Piers Courage, Chris Craft, Jim Crawford, Derek Daly, Christian Danner, Andrea de Adamich, Elio de Angelis, Andrea de Cesaris, Patrick Depailler, Mark Donohue, Johnny Dumfries, Guy Edwards, Harald Ertl, Bob Evans, Teo Fabi, Emerson Fittipaldi, Christian Fittipaldi, Gregor Foitek, George Follmer, Nannti Galli, Howden Ganley, Peter Gethin, Mike Hailwood, Brian Henton, Graham Hill, David Hobbs, Denny Hulme, James Hunt, Jacky Ickx, Jean-Pierre Jarier, Alan Jones, Helmut Koinigg, Jacques Laffite, Gerard Larrousse, Niki Lauda, Michel Leclere, Brett Lunger, Nigel Mansell, Helmut Marko, Jochen Mass, Arturo Merzario, Francois Migault, John Miles, Stefano Modena, Roberto Moreno, Gunnar Nilsson, Jackie Oliver, Carlos Pace, Riccardo Paletti, Olivier Panis, Riccardo Patrese, Henri Pescarolo, Ronnie Peterson, Nelson Piquet, Alain Prost, Tom Pryce, David Purley, Bobby Rahal, Brian Redman, Clay Regazzoni, Carlos Reutemann, Peter Revson, Alex Ribeiro, Jochen Rindt, Richard Robarts, Pedro Rodriguez, Bertil Roos, Keke Rosberg, Eliseo Salazar, Jody Scheckter, Tim Schenken, Michael Schumacher, Ralf Schumacher, Vern Schuppan, Ayrton Senna, Chico Serra, Johnny Servoz-Gavin, Jo Siffert, Jackie Stewart, Rolf Stommelen, Danny Sullivan, Marc Surer, John Surtees, Mike Thackwell, Gijs van Lennep, Gilles Villeneuve, Jacques Villeneuve, Rikki von Opel, Dave Walker, Derek Warwick, John Watson, Mike Wilds, Roger Williamson.

GPA - Patrick Depailler, Gilles Villeneuve, Rene Arnoux, Nelson Piquet, Stefan Bellof, Jean-Pierre Beltoise, Allen Berg, Raul Boesel, Martin Brundle, Eddie Cheever, Derek Daly, Andrea de Cesaris, Patrick Gaillard, Jo Gartner, Brian Henton, Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Jean-Pierre Jarier, Jacques Laffite, Niki Lauda, Jochen Mass, Francois Migault, Henri Pescarolo, Ronnie Peterson, Nelson Piquet, Didier Pironi, Alain Prost, Hector Rebaque, Patrick Tambay, Derek Warwick, John Watson, Manfred Winkelhock.

Jeb's - Clay Regazzoni, Michele Alboreto, Conny Andersson, Vittorio Brambilla, Loris Kessel, Patrick Neve, Carlos Pace, Mauro Baldi, Alessandro Nannini, Johnny Cecotto, Lamberto Leoni, Pierluigi Martini, Siegfried Stohr.

Schuberth - Michael Schumacher, Ralf Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello .

Simpson - Elio de Angelis, Mario Andretti, Alan Jones, Johnny Herbert, James Hunt, Jan Lammers, Geoff Lees, Tiff Needell, Nelson Piquet, Hector Rebaque, Keke Rosberg, Eliseo Salazar, Marc Surer, Manfred Winkelhock.

Kiwi - Jody Scheckter, Stefan Bellof, Marc Surer.

Bieffe - Gerhard Berger, Jean Alesi,

Nava - Eddie Cheever, Mario Andretti, Riccardo Patrese.

Shoei - Bertrand Gachot, Stefan Johansson, Jean Alesi, Ivan Capelli, Johnny Herbert,

Rheos - Ayrton Senna, Gerhard Berger

Nolan - Corrado Fabi, Ivan Capelli, Manfred Winkelhock.

Griffin - Tony Brise, Harald Ertl, Mike Hailwood, Brian Henton, Graham Hill, Jochen Mass, Francois Migault, Henri Pescarolo, Tom Pryce, Brian Redman, Rolf Stommelen, Hans Stuck, Gijs van Lennep, Rikki von Opel, Mike Wilds.

Vitaloni - Arturo Merzario.

Lazer - Derek Warwick.

Boeri - Hans Stuck.



#89 thiscocks

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 21:52

Really like those Rheos. Looks like they made a few different models too- the senna one pictured differs quite alot to bergers.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 21:53

Also what ever happened to Bieffe in F1? Quite a few drivers wore those in the 90's and into the 2000's. I remember Berger wore one at one time and here is a pic of Eddie Irvine's when he was at Ferrari.

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They had a really ugly aero design too.

Fisi from 1995

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 22:09

Villeneuve ran like that in 2002.

So did Trulli and Frentzen at Jordan in 2001.


And Alex Wurz

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 22:19

that big list has a few missing

Piquet wore an AGV in 85-86 in 1990 he wore a Bieffe

Sandro Nannini also wore a Bieffe.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 22:32

MS wore a shoei in 1992.

#94 FonzCam

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 22:43

I'm sure the reduction of manufacturers in F1 is down to the increasing safety standards including the introduction of 8860:2004 as a requirement in F1

Strange that no-one in F1 uses
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Sparco F1 Titan ADV
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Stilo ST Quattro 8860 F1

Any other manufacturers with 8860 helmets not currently in use in F1?

#95 potmotr

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 23:08

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Now THAT is a rare shot.

Not a Rheos as all.

It is, in fact, a late 1991 Shoei.

Probably taken in early 1992 before Senna got the X4 he used during that season.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 23:41

Now THAT is a rare shot.

Not a Rheos as all.

It is, in fact, a late 1991 Shoei.

Probably taken in early 1992 before Senna got the X4 he used during that season.

So, uh, why is there a Rheos sticker on it?

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 01:54

I'm sure the reduction of manufacturers in F1 is down to the increasing safety standards including the introduction of 8860:2004 as a requirement in F1

Strange that no-one in F1 uses

Sparco F1 Titan ADV
or

Stilo ST Quattro 8860 F1

Any other manufacturers with 8860 helmets not currently in use in F1?


There's an FIA approved helmets list here -> http://argent.fia.co...oved_helmet.pdf

AFAIK the sparco you listed doesn't conform to 8860 (I believe that sparco conforms to the lower 8858 standard)
As to the Vemar, dunno, always thought of them as Rally helmets :S

Edited by engel, 10 February 2010 - 01:55.


#98 bub72ck

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:38

I'm sure the reduction of manufacturers in F1 is down to the increasing safety standards including the introduction of 8860:2004 as a requirement in F1

Strange that no-one in F1 uses
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Sparco F1 Titan ADV
or
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Stilo ST Quattro 8860 F1

Any other manufacturers with 8860 helmets not currently in use in F1?


Andy Soucek is not currently in F1 but did compete in the young driver test. He wears a Stilo:
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And here is Sebastian Loeb's Stilo he wore when he tested for Red Bull
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I think Jarno Trulli used to wear a Sparco before switching to Bell. This one is from 2007.
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Suomy also make a good looking 8860 Carbon helmet. Not aware of anyone in the F1 ranks using it however.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 08:58

Mika Hakkinen did not only wear Arai helmets during his career.

Arai: 1991-1993 (I am not 100% sure about 1993)

Shoei: 1994-1997 (might have used Shoei already in 1993)

Arai: 1998-2000

Bell: 2001

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:02

So, uh, why is there a Rheos sticker on it?


Its a replica dear.