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#101 HoldenRT

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:51

on the subject of lewis's helmet i just noticed he apears to be swapping between the two different makes/styles, not sure why thou.

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both pics taken today.

I said not sure why he is tryig different helmets but i guess its kinda obvious, to see if its any better wearing a diferent make, yup im pretty slow on the up take sometimes.

The lighting and blur effect in that top pic is really cool. One of the coolest F1 pics I've ever seen.

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#102 thiscocks

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:55

The lighting and blur effect in that top pic is really cool. One of the coolest F1 pics I've ever seen.


Short focal length- focused on front of car


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Posted 10 February 2010 - 12:36

Here ya go...

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#104 bub72ck

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 20:12

Based on the updated list of 8860 FIA approved helmets, these are the models that could be used in F1.

Bell:
Racestar HP1
Racestar HP2
Racestar HP3
RS HP3 (V.2006)
RS HP3 (V.2008) Design currently in use

Schuberth:
RF1.5
RF1.6
RF1.7
RF1.8 Design currently in use

Arai:
GP-5 RC
GP-6 RC Design currently in use

Stilo:
ST4

Sparco:
ADV F1 Newest model being produced
WTT F1 BS
WTT EVO BS

Stand 21:
IVOS HT Can't find any pics other than FIA website

All the other approved helmets are open face or large aperture such as the Bell HP5

Here is the link to the updated list:

FIA approved helmet list

#105 thiscocks

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 09:00

Interesting, thanks for the list. I think the Stand 21 looks the nicest. Slightly reminicent of the Shoei Quattro

#106 potmotr

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 09:54

Interesting, thanks for the list. I think the Stand 21 looks the nicest. Slightly reminicent of the Shoei Quattro


It's a shame Shoei isn't in the sport anymore.

They made really nicely shaped helmets.

I really love that Stilo, it looks really aggressive.

#107 potmotr

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 15:48

Kubica has changed from a Arai to a Bell HP3.

He's been wearing one unpainted in testing but that appears to have changed.

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#108 Enkei

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 17:45

Hamilton seems to have chosen to stay with the Arai helmet. He wore it throughout this weeks test.

#109 potmotr

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 14:06

Hamilton seems to have chosen to stay with the Arai helmet. He wore it throughout this weeks test.


Yeah, I've still not seen another shot of him wearing that Schuberth aside from the one I posted a couple of pages back.



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Posted 14 February 2010 - 14:32

that big list has a few missing

Piquet wore an AGV in 85-86 in 1990 he wore a Bieffe

Sandro Nannini also wore a Bieffe.

Giancarlo Fisichella also wore a Bieffe. Exactly the same model as mine in my avatar.


#111 potmotr

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 14:44

Giancarlo Fisichella also wore a Bieffe. Exactly the same model as mine in my avatar.


He wore it from around 1999 - 2001 IIRC?

Trulli also wore one.

http://www.autosport...photo.php/id/23

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 16:17

I like the Schubert over the other helmets, and I do not think it looks too large. Indeed, just the opposite.

What I find interesting is how compact the helmets are on the drivers, regardless of make. If you look at the historic races or other events where the drivers are not these racing drivers, the helmets of those drivers look giant compared to the racers.

Even the race driver's faces appear crushed inside their helmets as though the helmet was the smallest size possible that they could squeeze their heads into.

#113 Just waiting

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 16:25

A quick search brought me to this:

What helmets do F1 drivers wear?
http://www.talklambo...read.php?t=3386

A post from 2008:

speaking of trivia, I think Dan Gurney wore a black bell helmet, and was the first to wear the full face model in F1 races. Somewhere, I recall Jack Brabbham wearing some sort of jet pilot helmet for awhile in the late 60's or early 70's as well.

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#114 potmotr

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 21:15

I like the Schubert over the other helmets...


It is Schuberth... www.schuberth.de

:)

#115 jondon

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 03:41

To be perfectly honest, I would very much prefer all drivers to have the best protection that modern technology can provide rather than simply having the best looking helmet. Something so important as head protection should not be decided by appearance, sponsorship dollars or even integration with car design.
Safety (especially regarding the head) is paramount and should not be compromised in any way. This is a dangerous sport where in the event of an accident the utmost protection counts, leave the fashion show at the door please....




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Posted 15 February 2010 - 07:13

Now THAT is a rare shot.

Not a Rheos as all.

It is, in fact, a late 1991 Shoei.

Probably taken in early 1992 before Senna got the X4 he used during that season.


This is not a RHEOS! it is a mock -up replica! I've been meaning to post on this thread about mnay mis-leading posts about who was using what helmet and when...

Will do that post next time around..;)


#117 Sith

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 07:16

Now THAT is a rare shot.

Not a Rheos as all.

It is, in fact, a late 1991 Shoei.

Probably taken in early 1992 before Senna got the X4 he used during that season.


This is NOT a Rheos! And it's not even a Shoei! It's a mock-up repilca... I've been meaning to post on this thread to clear some misleading info that has been posted about who was wearing what helmet, and when..

Will do so in my next post...;)


#118 Just waiting

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 10:38

It is Schuberth... www.schuberth.de

:)

No, Schubert, as in the ice cream

#119 potmotr

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 11:40

No, Schubert, as in the ice cream


No no, it's definitely Schuberth.

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#120 bub72ck

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 13:45

He wore it from around 1999 - 2001 IIRC?

Trulli also wore one.

http://www.autosport...photo.php/id/23


So did Alonso at Minardi

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#121 potmotr

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 14:50

You can see the spelling of Schuberth on the back of Raikkonen's old lid by the way....

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 16:55

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Stilo ST Quattro 8860 F1

Any other manufacturers with 8860 helmets not currently in use in F1?

I have seen a pic of José María López with a helmet of this brand during his training in Austria, but am not sure if it is the same model.

#123 ashnathan

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Posted 20 February 2010 - 13:15

Now THAT is a sun visor!

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#124 potmotr

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Posted 20 February 2010 - 13:17

Now THAT is a sun visor!

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Wow, that's massive.

The matte black is amazing too.

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Posted 20 February 2010 - 13:18

Reminds me of Nigel Mansell. :up:

#126 ashnathan

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Posted 20 February 2010 - 13:19

I think easily takes the cake for best looking helmet of 2010, i love it.

#127 potmotr

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Posted 20 February 2010 - 13:20

Reminds me of Nigel Mansell. :up:


Perhaps he's wearing it because the winter sun is a bit low in the sky.

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Posted 20 February 2010 - 13:21

Don't really like it, the yellow and red to me looks like grilled cheese :p

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 18:52

I noticed Kubica made the switch to a Bell for this season. I wonder if it works better aerodynamically with the Renault? Petrov was already a Bell supporter.

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 18:57

I noticed Kubica made the switch to a Bell for this season. I wonder if it works better aerodynamically with the Renault? Petrov was already a Bell supporter.


Yeah, I wondered the same thing.

Perhaps Bell have got an exclusive agreement with Renault?



#131 ashnathan

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 19:46

Dont think so, Alonso always wore an Arai ad Piquet wore a Bell, then Grosjean wore an Arai too.

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 19:59

Dont think so, Alonso always wore an Arai ad Piquet wore a Bell, then Grosjean wore an Arai too.


True, perhaps he just likes the fit and was paying for his Arais anyway.

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 20:56

Interesting thread. This reminded me of the 2008 season. There was a rainy British GP and afterwards there was an unusually high coverage for Schuberth helmets. Not so coincidentally the next race was to be the German GP. Motorsport-total had an article of Mark Webber switching to Schuberth immediately back then.

Using google's picture search it seems as if he indeed used the Schuberth helmet at least for the German GP 2008. The picture here seems to show he really switched. That same website has another picture of him still using a Schuberth helmet in Spa the same year.

Before the Aussie has been using Arai helmets for most of his career. Don't know when he switched back to them but in 09 he was using Arai again.

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 21:17

Before the Aussie has been using Arai helmets for most of his career. Don't know when he switched back to them but in 09 he was using Arai again.


Interesting post man, thanks for sharing.

Webber is an interesting one.

He wore an Arai at Jaguar in 2004.

He switched to Schuberth when he moved to Williams in 2005.

Webber stuck with a Schuberth in 2006.

When he switched to Red Bull for 2007, he initially wore a Schuberth at the launch of the car.

But by the first test a week or so later he was wearing an unpainted Arai.

I remember reading at the time that Adrian Newey felt the Schuberth sat too high in the car when being worn by a tall guy like Webber.

The Arai was slightly lower, letting fractionally more air to the airbox, thus giving the engine more power.

So when the season started he was wearing his normal Arai.

Interestingly, there are photos around (which I can't find sorry) or Webber's helmet with a blue top rather than yellow.

Apparently Red Bull has asked for it to look this way but Webber quickly had the design changed.

Webber was using an Arai at the start of 2008 and the start of 2009 and once more this year.

So really interesting that he has worn the Schuberth on occassion too.

Edited by potmotr, 22 February 2010 - 21:21.


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Posted 22 February 2010 - 21:43

Kubi had said that he tried Bell 'cause it's "lighter than Arai".

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 22:10

Wow potmotr, nice post. I never noticed Webber using Schuberth helmets when he was with Williams.

Somehow I have the impression, that more often than not the decision is mostly the team's, probably because they have exclusive deals and also plan it into the car's design. The whole topic is quite fascinating.

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 22:16

Somehow I have the impression, that more often than not the decision is mostly the team's, probably because they have exclusive deals and also plan it into the car's design. The whole topic is quite fascinating.


I've always thought the helmet was down to the driver at most teams.

There are exceptions.

Ferrari is a contracted Schuberth team.

Back in 1991 Ferrari was a Shoei team.

Shoei had the same deal with McLaren in 1992.

It eventually left the sport because of the expense.

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 22:17

Kubi had said that he tried Bell 'cause it's "lighter than Arai".


That makes sense. If a driver is pulling 5g the head, arms and legs are the bits where you'd feel the G forces the most.

Being able to minimise that weight even by a little would be well worth it.

Anyone know what the Schuberth, Arai and Bell weigh?

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 01:54

Anyone know what the Schuberth, Arai and Bell weigh?

Like I posted here earlier, the Schuberth weights 1.350 gram and delivers 7 liter air per second.

Edited by Bbbut, 23 February 2010 - 01:56.


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#140 potmotr

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 11:05

Like I posted here earlier, the Schuberth weights 1.350 gram and delivers 7 liter air per second.


The Bell weights 1290g according to the website.

I can't find a weight listing for the Arai.

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 13:37

There is probably an obvious answer, but does anyone know why the teams do not design their own helmets? Given the conversation about the effect of the Webber/Schuberth combinaiton on the Red Bull I am surprised the teams don't create their own designs to help optimise aero in to the air intake / off the driver's head.

Cost would surely be a drop in the ocean to them, and I believe they already do their own HANS devices.

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 16:40

There is probably an obvious answer, but does anyone know why the teams do not design their own helmets? Given the conversation about the effect of the Webber/Schuberth combinaiton on the Red Bull I am surprised the teams don't create their own designs to help optimise aero in to the air intake / off the driver's head.

Cost would surely be a drop in the ocean to them, and I believe they already do their own HANS devices.


That's an interesting question actually.

I think the answer is probably that the aero benefits aren't worth the cost of designing, developing and manufacturing a helmet from scratch to the team.

One of those F1 spec carbon helmets cost around 2500 euros unpainted. Add a few spoilers which are pretty cheap and you'll probably be able to move around the air to a certain degree of satisfaction.

But building them from scratch would cost heaps I'd imagine.

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 19:35

Maybe not designing them in house, but for example mclaren contacts Arai and says 'we want the air to flow over it like this in these directions, they could make custom helmets for a given team. obviously mclaren would have to foot the extra cost.

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 19:45

That's a good point actually, a team having a bespoke aero helmet for their car.

I reckon that does not happen because of safety.

The helmet has to essentially be round to protect the driver's head which is the same shape.

Adding significant aero shaping might harm this protction I reckon.

You can be sure the teams would have tried it if that wasn't the case.

Just my guess though! :)

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 00:12

I've always thought the helmet was down to the driver at most teams.

There are exceptions.

Ferrari is a contracted Schuberth team.

Back in 1991 Ferrari was a Shoei team.

Shoei had the same deal with McLaren in 1992.

It eventually left the sport because of the expense.

Think shoei's left with alesi when he retired.

Personally, i think nearly every driver (and if you look at the lower formula's you'll see this quite clearly) uses an arai unless they are paid to use a different brand

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 06:45

I really love the Arai';s, always have, but for some reason, the bell is growing on me fast. Kubica's helmet is just...amazing.

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 16:08

Good evening to all formula1-fans.

as I just surfed the web today looking for reviwes and comments of Schuberth helmets I came by this post. And as you all seem to be very eager to see the helmets I did upload some photos of the RF1.8 driven by Massa/Schumacher/Heidfeld/Hülkenberg & Alonso:

http://www.flickr.co...57623375801051/
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and also of the upcoming SF1 Race Helmet which was presented last year and will undergo further testing (and yes - it´s the one that has been posted several times in this thread worn by Massa and Schumacher in Jerez):

http://www.flickr.co...57623375802749/
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There are actually some difference in the air flow design - but I can´t go much further into details on that.

If you´d like to see our on-track expert I´d like to hint you to this photo, which was actually made by Claire, who is the "community reporter" of Williams team:

http://twitpic.com/110v3r (it´s Nico Hülkenberg chatting with Sven Krieter of Schuberth)

You will also find some pictures of the pit-crew helmets of ferarri, which are also produced by Schuberth here:

http://www.flickr.co...57623500400030/
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and some pictures of the helmet production and airbrushing of Michael´s helmet on our facebook-page:

http://www.facebook....bH/287409825228


Thanks to all of you for any comments - we would be honored to welcome you on facebook or just write to me: timo.schneider(a)schuberth.com

Timo Schneider
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Magdeburg, Germany

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#148 potmotr

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 17:15

Timo, thank you SO much for stopping by.

Your post is really interesting.

I'm sure plenty here will check out the helmets and give some feedback!

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 18:12

If you are interested - this is the fact sheet of Schuberth 1.8:

Fact Sheet Formula 1 Helmet Schuberth RF 1.8
When safety and protection are the highest priorities, Schuberth head protection systems are
always the first choice. The helmets manufactured by Schuberth for Formula 1 drivers are of the
very highest calibre. Few other sectors demand safety requirements as stringent as the FIA
specifications for Formula 1. However, a Schuberth helmet designed specifically for the
pinnacle of motor sport overcomes these hurdles with aplomb. The high-end helmets easily
withstand extreme heat and specific shock loads, the result of decades of experience and
approximately 3,000 hours of customised development work for each individual Formula 1
helmet.

Technical data

Helmet shell material:
- 16 layers of Toray 1000 carbon fibre (also used in rocket and
aircraft construction)
- Approx. 5 mm thick
- Pressed and hardened in an autoclave

Visor:
Polycarbonate, approx. 4 mm, bulletproof according to FIA
guidelines

Ventilation:
Top-down ventilation provides 7 litres of fresh air per second -
improved fresh air supply

Interior:
The interior lining and chin strap are made from flame-resistant
Kevlar® and Nomex®

Weight: approx. 1,350 grams

Helmet test standard:
- Approved according to the current FIA standard. The helmet is
subjected to extreme tests in order to ascertain its protective
effect
- Helmet: FIA Standard 8860-2004 / Snell SA/2005
- H.A.N.S. system: FIA Standard 8858-2002

The key test procedures
Shock absorption test:
- Drop height for helmet = approx. 5 m, impact speed = 9.5 m/s
(compared with 7.5 m/s for the motorcycle test)
- Headform = 5kg with accelerometers
- Impacts on edged, flat and hemispherical test anvils
- Each test site is tested up to three times. During the procedure
the helmet is damaged by the absorption of energy, the objective
of which is to protect the head
- The maximum acceleration of the headform must not exceed
300 Gs (gravitational units)

Penetration test:
- A 3kg test striker made of hardened steel is dropped onto the
helmet shell from a height of 3 m
- The striker must not penetrate to the test headform
- Weak points such as ventilation openings are also tested

Flame resistance test:
- A 900°C flame is aimed at the visor and helmet shell for 45
seconds
- The helmet and visor must not continue to burn or melt after
the flame is removed
- The interior temperature must not exceed 70°C

Visor test:
A direct strike to the visor with a 5 gram hard steel pellet
travelling at speeds ≥ 410 m/s

Chin strap test:
- The chin strap is pre-stressed with a load of 23 kg, then struck
with a 38 kg hammer from a height of 12 cm. The chin strap must
not come undone during the procedure.

H.A.N.S. (Head And Neck Support System) test:
- Both HANS tethers are subjected to a load of 15 kN (1.5 tonnes)
- The two tethers should not split while the load is being applied,
and the helmet shell should not be deformed

Wind tunnel test:
To achieve optimum aerodynamics, ventilation and neutral
handling, a Schuberth Formula 1 helmet is tested in a wind
tunnel. An accurate model of a Formula 1 racing car is used in
order to achieve optimum interaction between helmet and
vehicle.


Regarding the HANS-Test: I got 1 more shot for you. It´s an internal test, pulling with 3.610kg.
This helmet is the last year Massa helmet, that protected him there:
when a 800gr steal spring hit his head - which is comparible to a rifle shot.

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 18:19

Personally I prefer the look of Arai's. I have an Arai myself.