I am very much looking to listen more radio talks...Don't you think FOM could make a website for all the fans which we can listen any driver whenever we want?I personally don't think it is that difficult.It would be so much informative and fun so every fan could listen his favorite driver's radio talk with his team constantly....I also look forward to see or hear:) schumi's famous radio talks with Mr Brawn which Mr Brawn.They always say he is so relaxed when driving the car.I hope to listen much much more than we had past seasons..
sorry about the conservation it should be conversation:)
It's a pity we can't have coverage such as that offered by NASCAR Raceview. F1 is still light years behind when it comes to the broadcast presentation of races.
I'd prefer something such as this over 'calm' radio talk though:
I am very much looking to listen more radio talks...Don't you think FOM could make a website for all the fans which we can listen any driver whenever we want?I personally don't think it is that difficult.It would be so much informative and fun so every fan could listen his favorite driver's radio talk with his team constantly....I also look forward to see or hear:) schumi's famous radio talks with Mr Brawn which Mr Brawn.They always say he is so relaxed when driving the car.I hope to listen much much more than we had past seasons..
The teams may disagree with you on that one. All pit-to-car conversations are on a delay for a reason: the teams don't like it when the other teams listen in, so FOM delay the conversations to prevent sensitive stuff like strategy being discussed on an open channel. It would be too easy for another team to listen in and get information they would not be privvy to. Some of the teams - the bigger ones, mostly - use a closed channel, but I don't think all of them have it. To open up unrestricted broadcasting to all radio transmissions would be asking for trouble. Even if the teams agreed to it, sooner or later (probably sooner) you'd get them speaking in codes to mis-lead their rivals and it would make no sense to the average viewer.
obviously there was much more when the f1 digital existed but nothing changed for me cause we could not get that channel here in Turkey...I totally agree with you about the broadcast...Does anyone know some good links about schumi when racing not after the race ends?
It's a pity we can't have coverage such as that offered by NASCAR Raceview. F1 is still light years behind when it comes to the broadcast presentation of races.
I'd prefer something such as this over 'calm' radio talk though:
The teams may disagree with you on that one. All pit-to-car conversations are on a delay for a reason: ...
i agree the teams didn't care for it, but as i recall the delay only officially went in after Trulli(???) was broadcast swearing during a pitstop ... won't somebody please think of the children!!!
all the radio traffic is now, by rule, available to FOM, i'm sure they could use it live if it wasn't for all the effing and jeffing, stick it on an internet stream, with a button you have to push to say you are big and clever enough to hear jenson say fck.
the teams can use codewords, and steering wheel mounted crib-sheets for the stuff the don't want anyone-else to figure out.
i agree the teams didn't care for it, but as i recall the delay only officially went in after Trulli(???) was broadcast swearing during a pitstop ... won't somebody please think of the children!!!
Then why do Martin Brundle and Jonathan Legard point out that the radio transmission is delayed almost every time one is broadcast?
all the radio traffic is now, by rule, available to FOM, i'm sure they could use it live if it wasn't for all the effing and jeffing, stick it on an internet stream, with a button you have to push to say you are big and clever enough to hear jenson say fck.
Wrong. Teams don't like discussing strategy on open channels. They'd basically be giving state secrets to the enemy. FOTA would never have agreed to allow radio transmissions to be broadcast if sensitive information like that could be heard. After all, the pit crews and personnel and fathers and girlfriends watch the race in the garages. How long would it take for one of them to cross the pit lane and report "Lewis is pitting in six laps"?
the teams can use codewords, and steering wheel mounted crib-sheets for the stuff the don't want anyone-else to figure out.
The problem with codewords is that they a) confuse and b) can be broken. They confuse because they will have no meaning to the audience. And if they can be broken because if some enterprising soul notices that Michael Schumacher always pits three laps after Ross Brawn tells him something about bananas, then Schumacher's strategy is known to the enemy. With the drivers having to concentrate so much on everything around them, changing codewords after every race could very easily confuse them. And they're totally unnecessary when the transmission if being broadcast, but they'll have no way of knowing when their conversations are televised.
Then why do Martin Brundle and Jonathan Legard point out that the radio transmission is delayed almost every time one is broadcast? Because the transmission is delayed and they are reminding us. Doesnt change the fact that at one time it was live and there was some bad language, and this led to the delay being added.
Wrong. Teams don't like discussing strategy on open channels. They'd basically be giving state secrets to the enemy. FOTA would never have agreed to allow radio transmissions to be broadcast if sensitive information like that could be heard. After all, the pit crews and personnel and fathers and girlfriends watch the race in the garages. How long would it take for one of them to cross the pit lane and report "Lewis is pitting in six laps"? They may not like it, but so what?
The problem with codewords is that they a) confuse and b) can be broken. They confuse because they will have no meaning to the audience. And if they can be broken because if some enterprising soul notices that Michael Schumacher always pits three laps after Ross Brawn tells him something about bananas, then Schumacher's strategy is known to the enemy. With the drivers having to concentrate so much on everything around them, changing codewords after every race could very easily confuse them. And they're totally unnecessary when the transmission if being broadcast, but they'll have no way of knowing when their conversations are televised. Again, so what. If codes confuse them then don't use it.
what are you on about El Capitan, i think those pants might be tooo tight, they're cutting off your oxygen supply.
Brundle, Legard, delay .... I said the driver-radio USED to be broadcast undelayed, till a few races in, Trulli (who is definitley it seems getting the blame) swore during a ballsd-up pitstop, so the delay went in AFTER that occurred. that is the delay we are talking about, that is the delay i talked about, that is the delay Brundle talks about, what's going on here?
pit-to car radio from all teams is mandated to be made available, previously some teams did not choose to make it available, some volunteered it at "safe" time, but kept some of the juicy chatter private, that is all gone, it's all on the wire
and of course teams don't like discussing strategy, that is self-evident. so they must encode car settings, they can use trigger words, and sometimes, they can just bite the bullet, like it or lump it, tough titty, tell the driver something they'd rather others didn't hear. some teams still don't even encrypt their traffic, so other teams can hear it anyway, FOM TV broadcast or not (an Australian poster here, with a scanner, was first to post the Trulli, him again, last-lap radio traffic after the Hamilton fiasco)
here's a tip, cos i like you, even though you are a bit of a cheeky chappy, why not wait for me to write something that is actually wrong, before you try to jump down my throat, read what i wrote, make sure it's what you think i wrote, and we can take it from there, howz that sound?
How about Kangaroo TV ?
I had it @ 2008 Montreal GP, was able to listen to pretty much all teams radio communications during the quali and the race.
It works only around the track, but it should be pretty easy to plug it into a laptop, record it and even stream the audio out...
(it uses a standard headphone mini-jack socket).
It's a pity we can't have coverage such as that offered by NASCAR Raceview. F1 is still light years behind when it comes to the broadcast presentation of races.
I'd prefer something such as this over 'calm' radio talk though:
I always found F1 radio communications on TV to be beyond useless. So, someone on the radio tells the driver to push. Yeah, that's shines the light on the race.
The teams may disagree with you on that one. All pit-to-car conversations are on a delay for a reason: the teams don't like it when the other teams listen in,
No one said they had to like it. They probably don't like a lot of things.
Even without live radio streams (which could be delayed by a few mins), what about some mp3 downloads of notable conversations? Like a pit radio highlights for each race? What about highlights videos after each practice session. Instead of just race highlights and 1 onboard per race. For example the whole session condensed into 5 or 10 mins. Doesn't need commentary. They have the capablities because when something controversial happens they put radio files on the F1 website like Liegate last year. Or videos with new angles for the incidents. Massa vs Lewis at Fuji is one example. During a broadcast, camera angles and showing two or three things at once is hard because it's live TV and you are very constricted in what you can show. Three hours after the race.. No excuse! They should be showing all the interesting things that couldn't be shown live at the time from multiple angles.
NBA is just one example.. Huge free video section on the website. Behind the scenes interviews, highlights of big plays 30 mins after they happened (while the game is still going), highlights for every game. 82 games x 30 teams = alot of highlights videos. For a fee.. you can watch live or a replay of every single game. 82 x 30 = alot of games for a small fee. You miss nothing and helps especially with the "global audience".
F1 and car racing in general is already very constrained because unlike other sports (which has 6 teams one day, 6 the next for example), all competitors are in the race at the same time. It's impossible to show 20 camera angles and show them at once. Combine that with the fact that it's one race per 2 weeks or month, and in F1 it's only 2 hours. F1 offers very little "bang for buck" in terms of it's entertainment value.
If F1 wants to charge it can offer some free content, and charge a fee for the better parts. If it wants it to be free and to cut costs, it can have advertising video for 10 or 20 seconds before a video starts. Money is no excuse. Besides, this is F1 which is supposed to be over the top and glamorous. This stuff should be viewed as promotion, not expendature.
If F1 is the pinnicle of motor sports, it should be the pinnacle in all areas, not just on the race track. It should be the pinnacle of capturing the action with the camera and showing it to the audience. It should be trying to lead in these areas and making the other series try and copy them. Even some more detailed sector times on the live timing would be a start. Some other infos like pitstop times and full lap times (by clicking on a drivers name). What about the overheard view of the circuit showing the spacing between cars and when lapped cars are coming up? These are just basic things that can increase enjoyment of the race for the viewer.
I'm pretty sure that all radio traffic is now unencrypted when the car is on the track / pits. The only time they can encode the signal is when the car is in the garage.
teams don't like press conferences but still have to do them.
F1 needs to find a way to make the show better..but not by making monkeys out of cars but improving fans' access to what is happening. web live timing is just a step....radio would be another one, damn, they don't even have to invent a lot of stuff, just take them from the other sucessfull series.
I don't see why they can't try it, it would make more money $$$ for bernie..
sell HD, sell different camera angles, sell radio package etc....get a "pro" package with everything included and you will have customers..
look just how many of us talk about F1, argue etc and the season hasn't even started.
Some people lack vision and are running f1 now. it's true, bernie has his merits in making f1 a global sport etc. somebody needs to tell him times change and a fresh initiative is needed. otherwise the whole business is doomed
Whether teams like it or not irrelevant all radio channels are open and not coded since 2009. Someone from this board was nice enough to actually setup a live stream of Toyota radio during the Austrialian GP in that year by him self (thanks again, if you're reading!) so yes, FOM could do it easily. The problem is they're continue to miss existence of the thing called Internet.
How about Kangaroo TV ? I had it @ 2008 Montreal GP, was able to listen to pretty much all teams radio communications during the quali and the race. It works only around the track, but it should be pretty easy to plug it into a laptop, record it and even stream the audio out... (it uses a standard headphone mini-jack socket).
Kangaroo TV carries the same feed the TV companies get - i.e communications picked out as acceptable by FOM - in no way do they broadcast all the radio communication. You might here a few more lines than your local TV chaneel chooses to listen to but you are not hearing all the chat.
ahaha I don't think I've heard a single radio transmission involving Montoya where he doesn't drop a few f-bombs. Man, I miss that guy in F1.
Yeah I listen to Montoyas Live Pit radio all the time throughout the race, its very entertaining to watch the race like that
FOM and Bernie are still in the Stone Ages.
Even without live radio streams (which could be delayed by a few mins), what about some mp3 downloads of notable conversations? Like a pit radio highlights for each race? What about highlights videos after each practice session. Instead of just race highlights and 1 onboard per race. For example the whole session condensed into 5 or 10 mins. Doesn't need commentary. They have the capablities because when something controversial happens they put radio files on the F1 website like Liegate last year. Or videos with new angles for the incidents. Massa vs Lewis at Fuji is one example. During a broadcast, camera angles and showing two or three things at once is hard because it's live TV and you are very constricted in what you can show. Three hours after the race.. No excuse! They should be showing all the interesting things that couldn't be shown live at the time from multiple angles.
NBA is just one example.. Huge free video section on the website. Behind the scenes interviews, highlights of big plays 30 mins after they happened (while the game is still going), highlights for every game. 82 games x 30 teams = alot of highlights videos. For a fee.. you can watch live or a replay of every single game. 82 x 30 = alot of games for a small fee. You miss nothing and helps especially with the "global audience".
F1 and car racing in general is already very constrained because unlike other sports (which has 6 teams one day, 6 the next for example), all competitors are in the race at the same time. It's impossible to show 20 camera angles and show them at once. Combine that with the fact that it's one race per 2 weeks or month, and in F1 it's only 2 hours. F1 offers very little "bang for buck" in terms of it's entertainment value.
If F1 wants to charge it can offer some free content, and charge a fee for the better parts. If it wants it to be free and to cut costs, it can have advertising video for 10 or 20 seconds before a video starts. Money is no excuse. Besides, this is F1 which is supposed to be over the top and glamorous. This stuff should be viewed as promotion, not expendature.
If F1 is the pinnicle of motor sports, it should be the pinnacle in all areas, not just on the race track. It should be the pinnacle of capturing the action with the camera and showing it to the audience. It should be trying to lead in these areas and making the other series try and copy them. Even some more detailed sector times on the live timing would be a start. Some other infos like pitstop times and full lap times (by clicking on a drivers name). What about the overheard view of the circuit showing the spacing between cars and when lapped cars are coming up? These are just basic things that can increase enjoyment of the race for the viewer.
I won't hold my breathe.
Totally agree. Here are the things F1 should learn from NASCAR
* High Definition
NASCAR broadcasts in High Definition Picture quality since 2005, while F1 will not have the technology even in 2010. Its unbelievable, F1 Fans deserve better.
* Interviews with Drivers during safety car periods
In NASCAR they can interview the driver even during the race when the cars are running under caution / safety car period. The same could be done in F1
* Uinterrupted and Live Pit radio broadcast for each driver
At NASCAR.com you can tune in to any drivers pit radio communication. It is LIVE and uninterrupted, for a small fee you can listen to any driver you choose.
That is a great service for the fans, you can follow the race much much better when you can listen in, makes you feel like your viewing the race from your drivers pit wall.
In Formula 1 the radio broacasts are not LIVE and the Teams get to choose what will be transmitted and what not, that often leads to obvious and uninteresting stuff getting air time that nobody wanted to hear. In NASCAR you can listen to everything from everyone Live.
* Live Gaps
During TV broadcast of the Qualy for example, there are not 3 sectors per lap where you see the gap like in F1.
The gaps are shown Live, you see the car threw the lap and see the gap moving up and down. That way you can see exactly where your driver is gaining and losing time on a lap, you can see exactly at which corner is losing or gaining time. Here is an example:
* Internet features to see the Telemetry of each driver
Another feature of nascar.com is that you can choose a virtual camera for each driver that shows you Live Driver Position, Speed, Laptime, RPM, Throttle and Brake display, pit stats, points and standings, stats, and commentary
* Moveable and zoomable Onboard cameras
In NASCAR alot more cars have onboard cameras like F1 and they are remote controlled, so they can change the view and even zoom in and out.
In CCWS/IndyCar they even had helmet cameras, where the camera would be right next to the drivers eye in the helmet: * Pedal camera
* 2+ hours pre race show
F1 pre race broadcasts dont start that early
* Allowing drivers to race in other series and FUN Events
NASCAR Cup drivers sometimes drive in the lower series aswell, it is very uncommon for F1 drivers to jump into a GP2 car, Le Mans or 24 hours of Spa, there are also no Fun events, there could be a Go Kart race with all F1 drivers or F1 drivers could join other series every now and then. That would be fun to watch but it very rarely happens.
* Winner donuts and Burnouts
Let the engine scream, put the rubber smell in air and make huge smoke across the track, just for fun. The Fans enjoy it when Hamilton made a burnout at Silverstone, or Vettel did, also at F1 parade events the burnouts are popular. Let them enjoy themselfs and do it for the fans who have payed good money to come and see the power of the cars.
* Official Website
The FIA and Formula 1 Website provides very little for the Fans, the NASCAR website is THE place to get all the Infos, rumours, statistics, interviews, Videos, Pictures etc. The FIA and F1 have a very lame website and interaction with the Fans, they must be able to provide a Website that kicks ass!
* Rewatch the races
On NASCAR.com you can rewatch all races completely without ad breaks and in good quality. Imaging beeing able to go to Formula1.com and beeing able to watch any past race just like that.
One thing FOM needs to figure out is the online copryrights or whatever it is that is stopping them from streaming practice sessions online. It's insulting that big part of F1 fans has no other option than to watch a lagging stream from justin.tv type of site hoping FOM watchdogs won't shut it down before the session ends. Like FOM wants to stop F1 fans from watching F1, that's utterly ridiculous.
watching a NASCAR race while being able to listen to the teams radio (uncensored) is incredible...I guess Bernie is just waiting for somebody to pay for the rights before he'll make it available. Also the lack of HD is a definite head scratcher.
Perhaps a system that let drivers talk to each other openly during the race would be interesting, so there could be a bit of banter between drivers as they try and pass each other? I'm all for increased radio transmissions and driver interviews as well- the only thing being that sometimes you really can't make out what some of the drivers are saying due to engine noise etc. I'm not sure it's so wise to have driver interviews during safety car periods etc, can you imagine if a driver wasn't concentrating fully and there was a collision etc? safety car periods are when drivers need to be most alert imo
Perhaps a system that let drivers talk to each other openly during the race would be interesting, so there could be a bit of banter between drivers as they try and pass each other?
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"In NASCAR," at least one team has had a direct connection between drivers to talk strategy during cautions. THAT was fun to listen to during the race!
I believe it's to stop "rude words" being broadcasted that might offend younger ears! I remember Vettel's "****ing car goes off!" at Malaysia '09 that was bleeped out then transmitted and Heidfeld also swearing about the conditions at the European '07 race (the one where it really rained at the Nurb).
"Michael is, for me, quite remarkable," added Fry. "Even this weekend, the level of feedback that he gives is something that I have never seen before - and that is just not in the debriefs.
"When you have the headphones on you hear amazing things – and in qualifying he was driving around almost giving a commentary. The FIA, who also listens, was also very impressed that a driver can do that.
Nick Fry says that.
so i would like to listen these comms. so much as i said before but thanks to the FOM we can't
Am I the only one who doesn't like drivers being interviewed during the safety car periods idea?
For F1 anyway they have too many things to be thinking about to have someone asking them stupid questions, its not like a driver will even say anything of value. Interviews on the grid is the limit when they are trying to focus on the start and first corner.
Could you imagine Australia 2006 if they butted in on Alonso during the safety cars? He was violently throwing his car around warming up the tyre's and someone comes on his radio asking "Are you worried about tyre temperatures for the restart?" I would expect the response to be "F*** off, what the hell do you think I am doing amongst 50 other things?" then the pit wall would cut off the interviewer and talk about differential settings, fuel mixtures, traction control settings, tyre temperatures, brake temperatures, brake bias, fuel levels, everything else under the sun.
Am I the only one who doesn't like drivers being interviewed during the safety car periods idea? For F1 anyway they have too many things to be thinking about to have someone asking them stupid questions, its not like a driver will even say anything of value. Interviews on the grid is the limit when they are trying to focus on the start and first corner.
Could you imagine Australia 2006 if they butted in on Alonso during the safety cars? He was violently throwing his car around warming up the tyre's and someone comes on his radio asking "Are you worried about tyre temperatures for the restart?" I would expect the response to be "F*** off, what the hell do you think I am doing amongst 50 other things?" then the pit wall would cut off the interviewer and talk about differential settings, fuel mixtures, traction control settings, tyre temperatures, brake temperatures, brake bias, fuel levels, everything else under the sun.
Completely agree. Drivers cannot be expected to accommodate the crowd at the home whilst they're trying to do their job.
I believe it's to stop "rude words" being broadcasted that might offend younger ears! I remember Vettel's "****ing car goes off!" at Malaysia '09 that was bleeped out then transmitted and Heidfeld also swearing about the conditions at the European '07 race (the one where it really rained at the Nurb).
I'm pretty sure "live" radio transmissions stopped after Gincarlo F. went on a cursing streak about his f'ing POS Renault in Bahrain (either 05/06).
Am I the only one who doesn't like drivers being interviewed during the safety car periods idea? For F1 anyway they have too many things to be thinking about to have someone asking them stupid questions, its not like a driver will even say anything of value. Interviews on the grid is the limit when they are trying to focus on the start and first corner.
Could you imagine Australia 2006 if they butted in on Alonso during the safety cars? He was violently throwing his car around warming up the tyre's and someone comes on his radio asking "Are you worried about tyre temperatures for the restart?" I would expect the response to be "F*** off, what the hell do you think I am doing amongst 50 other things?" then the pit wall would cut off the interviewer and talk about differential settings, fuel mixtures, traction control settings, tyre temperatures, brake temperatures, brake bias, fuel levels, everything else under the sun.
I believe it was Australia when Lewis was complaining of his tyres being 'shot' - and shortly afterwards Red Bull relayed that info to Webber. A faux pas for sure by Lewis...
drivers and teams should be forced to deal with radio being public
if they like it or not, I don't care we have to like it, it's for the fans and they should do it for this reason only
and they should be live. if they speak bulshit the drivers should be liable for it
I am not swearing around in the office no matter how bad the things go. Driving F1 cars is their office
I agree with you. Side note - I listened to JPM in his first 2 races this year and it seemed to me he tried to use freaking/frikkin' as much as he could although the F word came out several times too.
I agree with you. Side note - I listened to JPM in his first 2 races this year and it seemed to me he tried to use freaking/frikkin' as much as he could although the F word came out several times too.
I like how he says "If he does that again, I'm going to wreck his ASS!" about once per race.
The funny thing is, when he will actually wreck someone, he won't say anything, like when he dumped T-Stew at Homestead. Not a peep on the radio! LOL
I believe it was Australia when Lewis was complaining of his tyres being 'shot' - and shortly afterwards Red Bull relayed that info to Webber. A faux pas for sure by Lewis...
A mistake he made talking to his team, if someone from the FIA was interviewing him and asked how his tyres are you would get a bunch of "for sure's" and such.
drivers and teams should be forced to deal with radio being public
if they like it or not, I don't care we have to like it, it's for the fans and they should do it for this reason only
and they should be live. if they speak bulshit the drivers should be liable for it
I am not swearing around in the office no matter how bad the things go. Driving F1 cars is their office
I disagree. Us sitting in an office on a chair looking at a computer screen is a hell of a lot different to doing 330km/hr next to another car when he tries to cut you off.
If someone cuts me off on the road my normal reaction is to swear either out of relief or anger, the last thing I'm worried about is if I've sworn when I could potentially be having a serious, let alone, life-threatening accident.
I think viewers should realise the stress that they are under and not be so sensitive to a bad word. Big deal, it's not like you're a bad person if you say a 'bad' word.
