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[Doug Nye]

Interesting to see that by that time not only the exhaust pipes were bent...

 

DCN

[MarkBisset]

Yep, Doug,

 

You have nailed it with ‘by that time’! 
 

As you know, the poor little darlin’ was designed for the 1.5-litre Climax flat-16 before our-Col pressed it into service with a 2.5 FPF four in time for the ‘66 Tasman - first change to the rear of the chassis.

Then John Sheppard fitted - with Bob Brittons fabrication skills (help Ray) - a modified rear frame to suit a 740 Repco V8 in early 1967.

Then the ducks guts 830 2.5 Repco V8 became available (as shown) which necessitated that rather wonky spaceframe top element! It was in this form Leo G won the ‘69 JAF Japanese GP. Sheppo would still have been with Geoghegans I think so, probably Britto did the frame again...

 

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Then of course John Dawson Damer eventually got hold of it and restored it back to FPF form, the car still resides in Australia too - god bless Chas Kelly

 

The whole story is told here in this wordy epic; https://primotipo.co...egans-lotus-39/

 

The shot above is of Leo winning the ‘69 Jap GP equipped with preggers look belly fuel tanks, sans the wings it usually raced with at home, to get Fuji top speed and equipped with Repco 830 2.5 V8 (unattributed)

Edited by MarkBisset, 23 October 2021 - 05:13.

[Ray Bell]

Britto denies it all...

 

Alan Standfield did a lot of work for the Geoghegans, as you know, and he did the original Repco installation on this car at the same time as Bob was doing the same thing to Harvey's car.

[cooper997]

Here's part of Autocar's 14/5/66 Silverstone report when Jack took the Repco V8-powered BT19 to victory. As can be seen, 'Brabham-Repco' the preferred description. As is the race programme entry list.

 

 

 

 

Stephen

[dolomite]

Interesting to see that Hulme was using a ‘4-cylinder vee-8’ Climax engine….

[cooper997]

Last weekend at Albert Park Repco's tradestand featured BT19

 

 

 

 

Stephen

[Roger Clark]

In 1966, the BT19’s exhausts were inboard of the top radius arm, as ca be seen in the Autocar scan above. The first BT20, which appeared for Hulme at Reims had some pipes inside and some outside the radius arm. The second BT20, which Jack practiced at Monza and raced at Watkins Glen, had all the pipes outside the radius arm as shown here, but I don’t think the BT19 raced in quite this configuration. 

[Porsche718]

Roger,

 

I have also felt the nose opening is also larger than in 1966. More like the BT20 as Hulme drove in 66. Slightly more oval. 

 

[cooper997]

Repco is ramping up their 100th anniversary.

 

The current, issue 130 of Australian Muscle Car mag has the BT19 featured on the back cover advert and now this Youtube film with BT19 and Matich SR4 is having a run.

 

 

 

Stephen

[GregThomas]

They're showing a short version of that here in NZ  Given the history on view, who's the bloke ? Has he any history worth knowing about ?

 

And the OP's question - Brabham Repco or Repco Brabham ?

 

In NZ anyway, Repco was the better known name as far as public recognition went - so here it's usually Repco - Brabham.

[Lee Nicolle]

Yes Repco did some stellar work in the past. The near 50y/0 Torana is about the last of it!! And even then not really, the Repco Holden 5000 engine was really the last.

[Sterzo]

In NZ anyway, Repco was the better known name as far as public recognition went - so here it's usually Repco - Brabham.

Whereas here amongst the unwashed trackside spectators of the UK, nobody, but nobody, would ever mention Repco except as an engine. Our programmes said Repco-Brabham but our voices said Brabham.

[Doug Nye]

For perhaps the 727,000th time - 'Brabham-Repco' was a car identification which came about simply because it matched the contemporarily accepted English-language norm - so far as motor racing-speak was concerned - of chassis constructor first, engine manufacturer second, hyphen in between.  

 

With one of the Goodwood books in which I was involved, the publishers (in their wisdom) appointed a woman editor who proved frankly to be rather a pain in the exhaust. She didn't like cars, and plainly detested the idea of racing them, so we were all left in no doubt that we were greasy-fingered yahoos and illiterate to boot.

 

On early proofs - of a results page - I found that all the hyphenated car titles - Cooper Climax - Brabham Repco - Lister Jaguar, etc - had had the hyphens deleted.  "One only hyphenates adjectivally..." she declared "...as in a blue-grey car, or semi-final match" - to which I found it difficult to respond without use of some pretty pithy adjectives of my own.  After an animated exchange of views with the publishing house kommandant we compromised, and they did it my way... But of course we never regained the time that had been lost in debating (arguing) such nonsense.  

 

D-C N

[Roger Clark]

Mostly

 

https://www.thesahb....der-delage-era/.    

[GregThomas]

For perhaps the 727,000th time - 'Brabham-Repco' was a car identification which came about simply because it matched the contemporarily accepted English-language norm - so far as motor racing-speak was concerned - of chassis constructor first, engine manufacturer second, hyphen in between.  

 

 

D-C N

I have no problem with that - and I'm sure it's how they'll appear in the history books too. Conformity with the accepted standards expected.

 

But at this end of the world, Repco were - and still are - paying for the ads. They're still getting their money's worth too. In their 100th year, I'm quite sure they're going to be Repco - everything for at least the remainder of this year.

Just hunker down and ignore it - it will eventually go away.

[Michael Ferner]

Personally, I never use hyphens to connect chassis constructor and engine manufacturer, instead I always use a slash to avoid confusion. I have seen people refer to a Benz-engined Mercedes or a Daimler-engined Austro, a Panhard with Levassor moteur or a Cottin with Desgouttes power  (if you think that's bad, try the Wasp-engined Marmon or the Veritas with Meteor engine!    ).

[AllanL]

 

 

D-C N

 

So, does that mean we are in the presence of a Climax or a Napier powered Wordsmith?

 

I'll get my coat.

[lyntonh]

 

Could it have been simply because Repco employed a more imaginative graphic artist.....?

[BRG]

Now I am more confused than I was before this thread started..  Is it Brabham, Brabham-Repco, Brabham Repco, Repco Brabham, or Repco-Brabham?

[Alan Lewis]

It's MRD.

[BRG]

Oui, c'est vrai,  c'est certainement merde, mais qu'est-ce que le nom do la voiture?

[Rupertlt1]

Repco Brabham or Brabham-Repco?

This is an argument that can go on

until the proverbial cows come home.

Sticking to the normal chassis-engine

style, Motor Racing has always

held, that the cars are Brabham-

Repcos, but the 'guvnor' has now

pointed out that since so much finan-

cial backing for the team comes

from Repco, they should be credited

by having their name first. Hence our

about-face this month, with Brabham-

Repcos being called Repco Brabhams

in our columns ... get it?

Motor Racing, September 1967, Page 394

 

RGDS RLT

[Roger Clark]

Jack Brabham was interviewed by David Phipps in Autosport 8th December 1967.  They talked about drivers for 1968:

 

DP: Couldn't some of the Repco money be used to pay the drivers?

JB: There isn't any Repco money.  We pay Repco.  We put money in each year to help development and to pay for the engines.

 

He said that Repco had spent a fantastic amount of money on a completely new factory and machinery.

 

DP: Are Repco more involved now than they were financially?

JB: They are a lot more involved than they set out to be when they started!

Edited by Roger Clark, 24 July 2022 - 11:05.