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#51 Rupertlt1

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Posted 02 February 2023 - 04:25

Vince

Thanks for the link to the Sebring shot, I hadn't seen that one, although I had seen some colour shots of the two cars on the simplesevens website, which confirms they were both red.

Thanks also for the Pigott shots. As Nick says, Pigott bought his car direct from the factory so wouldn't be a candidate for the Harvey Snow car. An unpalatable topic, I know, but does anyone know what became of Pigott's car after his fatal accident, was it written off or rebuilt? Also, while I'm on the topic of West Coast/Western Canada cars, where did Bob McLean's 23 come from, does anybody know?

Back on the subject of what happened to the Harvey Snow car, 23-S-4 was red, this was the Posselius Sebring car, which apparently may have gone back to the factory after Sebring (does this seem likely/credible?). Edna Sherman was racing her car by late July 1962, IIRC correctly and, looking at the factory delivery list, there aren't many other candidates for her car, aside from 23-S-1, perhaps 23-S-13 if it was built (unlikely?), possibly 23-S-33 (customer name Briggs though) or one of the three cars 23-S-27, 23-S-28 and 23-S-29, which were delivered to Kaback in June 1962 (although we know that one of these - the red one of the trio - went new to, IIRC, Bill Martin and later on to one of our forum members, Lotus 23).

So still no nearer the truth...

Michael

 

23-S-33 (customer name Briggs though)

 

The Arizona Border Region of the Sports Car Club of America divisional championship races today and tomorrow will be held on the airport course at Tucson Municipal Airport.

Phoenix drivers include Tony Briggs (Lotus 23B)...

Arizona Republic, Saturday 4 April 1964, Page 55

 

3rd in Event 6 held on the Saturday.

In 1963-1964 Templeton (Tony) Briggs the general manager at Phoenix International Raceway, in partnership with Richard P. Hogue.

 

This gentleman here:

https://www.racingsp...Briggs-USA.html

 

This may fit somewhere (presumably 23-S-4):

The Los Angeles Times, Sunday 5 Aug 1962, Page 328

LOTUS 23 Sebring car-Special gus-

seting, distance tanks, FIA screen,

VW close ratio gearbox. $7495. Write

or call T. Orlando at Italian Motors.

14801 E. Jefferson, VA. J-1600, Detroit.

 

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:14

Michael and all. I ran into Gene DeRulle this weekend at a car show. He worked at Challmans during that time period and crewed on the 23 that Clark drove at Riverside. From his memory, he said that Challman knew that the Arciero Lotus 19 that Clark was supposed to drive would probably never run for long, so he bought a "used" Lotus 23 to have as a back up. Gene told me that he and friends cleaned up the 23 and made it as raceable as possible in just a few days. That story was confirmed by Dave Thielke, Challmans General Manager. During a lunch, Dave told me that after Clark drove the 23, it sat for several months in the dealership. One day, Challman told him to load up the car and meet the "new" owner near the airport in Phoenix. Dave met the guy, handed over the car, and drove back home. Unfortunately Dave cannot remember the new owners name. The mystery continues. So, based on this info, it was not a new car.

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The story of Jim Clark and the "used" Lotus 23 is intriguing.

Here is the #222 car, although the date is wrong on the caption, should be 13 October 1963:

 

https://www.gettyima...photo/163090331

 

Quote:

It appeared that Clark

would be left waiting at

the pit gate. His Frank

Arciero Lotus 19 met

severe engine damage Fri-

day due to lack of oil

pressure and was not at

the track. Bob Challman

race driver and Lotus

distributor from Manhat-

tan Beach, had a Lotus 23

flown in from England. It

arrived at the track at

4:30 p.m. and the Flying

Scot took off immediately.

By the 5:15 p.m. quailfy-

ing deadline he had ham-

mered his times down to

1:37.6 fifth fastest small

car (under 2-liter) of the

day.

"I couldn't afford to do

it," said Challman,"but,

after all, he is the world

champion."

The Los Angeles Times, Sunday 13 Oct 1963, Page 56

 

Quote:

Fortunately Clark was able to

find a 1,600 Lotus 23B that a local Lotus

dealer was about to deliver to a customer

and acquired its use for both Riverside (and

the last week-end's Pacific G.P. at Laguna

Seca). Clark was able to qualify the Lotus

23 in the last six minutes of Saturday's all-

day qualifying session and managed a spot

on the eighth row of the starting grid.

Autosport, 25 October 1963, Page 578

 

Quote:

Clark amassed such a wide lead in his division that he was able to make a 23-second pit stop and still win the prize. It was a case of making the stop—for refuelling purposes—or running out of gas about two laps from the finish, according to Bob Challman of Manhattan Beach.

"We couldn't take a chance." said Bob Challman. The car arrived so late that we didn't have time to install bigger fuel tanks."

Challman also disclosed that a plug cap came loose and Clark ran the final two laps on three cylinders.

Quote:

Clark attempted to qualify his original car, an Arciero Lotus 19, in the consolation race which was run Sunday morning. The Grand Prix circuit champion took the lead from Walt Hansgen on the second lap of the qualifying race and held it until he lost oil pressure on the eighth lap of the 10-lap race. He had to retire.

Luckily Challman had provided the little Scot with the "insurance" Lotus 23 and Clark won first place money in the small car field.

The Los Angeles Times, Monday 14 Oct 1963, Page 46

 

Bob Challman, the entrant, then drove the car at Willow Springs, 17 November 1963 (The Los Angeles Times, Monday 18 Nov 1963, Page 52)

Dodger Stadium, 14 Dec 1963? 1.3 mile track on the Dodger Stadium parking lot.

Possibly Del Mar, 23 Feb 1964 and back to Willow Springs, 8 March 1964?

 

The #222 car was sold to Richard P. Hogue of Phoenix.

 

Phoenix International Raceway, 19 April 1964

"Indianapolis veteran Bobby

Unser, driving track owner

Dick Hogue's Lotus 23B, was

racing in good position but blew

a tire after two-thirds of the

race and was out of competi-

tion."

Arizona Republic, Monday 20 Apr 1964, Page 6

 

LOTUS 23B1600cc Hewland 5-speed

with extra ratios. Ex Jimmy Clark River-

side car. One race since tear down. First

$5000 offer gets this bargain. Better

hurry. Richard Hogue, 5201 Saddlerock

dr., Phoenix, Ariz.; WH 6-9807.

 Competition Press, May 23June 12, 1964, Page 11.

 

What have we learned? Speculating the Clark car had been competing in sprint races in England? Are we to believe Challman was sourcing a "used" car for a local customer, which was airfreighted to California in a hurry, as a replacement car for Clark at Riverside, Sunday 13 October 1963, after his Lotus 19 had suffered oiling problems on the Friday and expired in the consolation race on Sunday morning? (Consolation race, 10-laps run 10:30.)

Or was #222 new? Could it be 23B-S-98? The car arrived from England on Wednesday, 9 October 1963, as it was already entered for Trevor Taylor. As announced by Bob Challman:

Quote:

Another top foreign

driver, Trevor Taylor of

England, a Lotus team-

mate of Clark on the

Grand Prix circuit, joined

the entry list. Taylor will

drive a new Lotus 23

sports car in the under 2-

liter division for Bob

Challman of Manhattan

Beach. The car arrived

Wednesday.

The Los Angeles Times, Thursday 10 Oct 1963, Page 47

 

#22 Lotus 23, 1,498 c.c., Trevor Taylor

The Los Angeles Times, Saturday 12 Oct 1963, Page 23

 

There simply wasn't enough time for the car to be conjured up to suit Clark? Challman already had the car up his sleeve, so to speak, for Trevor Taylor. The Challman crew had been working since Wednesday to get the car ready. Jim Clark comes knocking and the switch is made. (Driver gazumped is not a good newspaper story?) Was it fitted with silver bodywork by Bob Challman?

 

Per Michael Oliver: 23B-S-98 "driven by Mike Beckwith at Snetterton on September 28th 1963"  

 

See: https://forums.autos...9/#entry2759241

 

Perhaps nearly new?

 

(Does this account for the three Normand 23Bs from 1963: One to Alan Bond in Singapore, one to Tim Mayer in the USA (according to Peter Windsor), and one for Jim Clark at Riverside etc?)

https://forums.autos...23-s-48-23-s-49

 

Trevor Taylor was entered at Laguna Seca, 20 October 1963, Ecurie Shirlee, #22 Lotus 23B 1600 (Source: programme). Did he appear? Not on the grid. About this time Taylor was informed by Colin Chapman that his services were no longer required in F1 for 1964. Having lost the drive at Riverside, had Taylor gone home? Was he ever there in the first place? Was there a falling out all round?

Bob Challman was subsequently entered as #32 Lotus 23B at Laguna Seca, but again does not appear on the grid. The San Francisco Examiner, Sunday 20 Oct 1963, Page 62.

 

BTW Alan Rees raced a silver Lotus 23 for Roy Winkelmann, 2-litre Climax engine, during the 1963 UK season — 23B-S-52.

 

Also: https://library.revs...ds-hatch/267315

 

Driven by Graham Hill in the Pacific Northwest Grand Prix, Kent, Washington, 29 September 1963:

https://www.racingsp...3-09-29-110.jpg 

 

RGDS RLT


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 16:05

Lotus sales structure in the western USA, 1964:

EXCLUSIVE DISTRIBUTORS FOR LOTUS CARS THROUGHOUT THE

WESTERN UNITED STATES

BOB CHALLMAN ECURIE SHIRLEE CORP. 2301 SEPULVEDA BLVD. MANHATTAN BEACH, CALIFORNIA

ALSO AVAILABLE (plus freight) THROUGH: ROD CARVETH ENT INC. San Carlos, Calif.; FOREIGN MOTOR SALES Fresno, Calif.; BRINEY-GRAY IMPORTS Long Beach, Calif.; BOB COLE MOTOR IMPORTS San Bruno. Calif.; DALE SHOUPE -  QUALITY FOREIGN San Diego, Calif.; PHIPPS MOTORS Santa Barbara, Calif.; WESTLAND MOTORS Woodland Hills, Calif.; ESCONDIDO IMPORTS Escondido. Calif.; VON HOUSEN'S MOTORS Sacramento. Calif.; THOMPSON MOTOR CO. Boise, ldaho.

Competition Press, 21 March 1964, Page 3

 

In the same advertisement Challman was offering two 23s ex-stock:

1964 LOTUS 23B — 1600 Int. white/black interior,

Hewland 5 speed, Cosworth Mk. 13, alternative

ratios $7502.00

1964 LOTUS 23 — 1100 Club, white/blue interior,

Renault close ratio, Cosworth Mk. IV 2nd O. A.

Willow Springs, 2nd O. A. Chavez Revine (sic) $5500.00

 

Are Chavez Ravine and Dodgers Stadium the same thing?

 

Did Jim Clark bump Trevor Taylor from the ride at Riverside?

(#222 did not appear in the programme.)

 

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 05:00

So the Jim Clark #222 Lotus 23B from Riverside is last seen for sale in Phoenix, Arizona, in May 1964.

Where did it go? Who bought it? There are a few possibilities locally:

 

Phoenix International Raceway, 19 April 1964, Entries:

#11 Rick Muther, Laguna Beach, Calif, Lotus 23B, Sports 1600

#16 George Follmer, Pasadena, Calif, Lotus-Corvair, Sports 1992

#22 Jim Paul, Cypress, Calif, Lotus 23, Sports 1098

#44 Frank Monise, Pasadena, Calif, Lotus 23B, Sports 1598

#66 Dr. William Molle, Playa Del Rey, Lotus 23, Sports, 1098

#79 Bobby Unser, Albuquerque, N.M., Lotus-Ford 23B, Sports 1600 (last confirmed sighting)

#98 Ed Leslie, Monterey, Calif, Lotus 23B, Sports 1600

#110 Bob Winkelmann, Mill Valley, Calif, Lotus-Climax 23, Sports 1960 (presumably 23B-S-52)

 

"Rick Muther, into a Lotus 23B after selling his Porsche RS-61; Frank Monise, a twin-cam 23B in place of the pushrod Lotus 23 he drove last season." (The pushrod car was red #44Monise took delivery of this car 11-12 August 1962 at San Luis Obispo. The BRG twin-cam was 23B-S-53? See also: https://forums.autos...moniselotus-23/)

 

Bobby Unser won the sports car class at Pikes Peak, 4 July 1964, in a Lotus 23 but not in the Clark car — the red #96 Arciero car:

 

https://archive.pete...-08-09 11:19:41

 

https://archive.pete...-08-09 11:21:37

 

Tucson International Airport, 21 March 1965

Modified C-D-E-G (20 laps)—T 30.29.8

1—#62 Pete Voevodsky, Townsend Special, CM;

2—#81 Jay Hills, Porsche RS 61, EM;

3—#88 Rudy Ballinger, Porsche RS 60, EM;

4—#6 Laurie Lema, Porsche RS 61, FM;

5—#5 Ray Wolff, El Lobo Special, CM;

6—#67 Rich Erickson, Lotus 23 CM;

7—#66 Bill Molle, Lotus 23 GM; 23B-S-93? See: https://forums.autos...-dr-bill-molle/

8—#63 Ed Luke, Cooper/Monaco DM;

9—#7 Harry Banta, Ferharry, GM;

10—#25 Jim Chaffee, Pink Elephant, CM.

Tucson Citizen, Monday 22 Mar 1965, Page 45

 

Salt Lake City, 27-28 August 1966, entries:

#3 Pierre Phillips, Lotus Porsche, E;

#4 R. J. Schmidt, Lotus 23, F;

#68 Charlie Kuhlmann, Lotus 23B, F;

#69 Eric Anderson, Lotus 23 Special, F;

#26 John Stuhldreier, Lotus 23, G.

 

Tucson International Airport, 22-23 October 1966

D—G FORMULA

1—#88 Jerry Titus, Porsche 6 Sp, E;

2—#17 Jack Ensley, Genie, C;

3—#72 Ed Luke, Lotus 23B, D;

4—#22 Jim Paul, Lotus 23, F;

5—#68 Charles Kuhlmann, Lotus 23B, F;

6—#9 Tracy Bird, Cooper Ferrari, D;

7—#7 Forrest Tindall, Lola, G;

8—#73 Mario Whittington, Lotus 23, G;

9—#11 Peter Valvodsky, Townsend Special, C;*

10—#14 Joe Ward, Bobsy, F;

11—#5? Charles Eves, Merlyn, G;

12—#25 Jim Chaffee, Pink Elephant, C;

13—#4 Dio Suardi, Dino, F.

Tucson Daily Citizen, Monday 24 Oct 1966, Page 36

*Peter Voevodsky, Tucson. For another rabbit hole see: http://www.tamsoldra...ndSpecial3.html

 

Ontario Motor Speedway, 20 September 1970

C-D SPORTS RACING—B-C-D SEDANS (14 laps, 44.6 miles)

1. Tom Evans (Santa Barbara), Gardner, 85.2 mph;

2. Fred Plotkin (Los Angeles), Kangaroo;

3. Charlie Kuhlmann (Fullerton) Lotus

 

See: https://forums.autos...lie-kulmann-68/

 

https://library.revs...rts-cars/133989

 

https://library.revs...and-prix/137041

 

RGDS RLT


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Posted 20 February 2023 - 20:21

Just talked to Curt Gonstead. He bought his 23 from Pete Ledwith, who ran a race shop in Highland Park, Ill. He did not buy it from Span, so the identity of the white 23 at Span remains a mystery.
Tom

 

"Pete Ledwith and Chuck Edwards have opened Span Inc., 1238 Old Skokie Road, Highland Park, Ill., sales and service for Triumph, Lotus and Elva Courier. Also available are Cosworth spares and competition tuning. Pete will campaign his Lotus Super 7 again this year."

Competition Press, 16 March 1963, Page 6

 

Earlier Ledwith & Lightner Motors.

(Donald C. Lightner Jr., drove Peerless and Ferrari Mondial.) 

 

Jim Spencer of Racine, Wisconsin:

quote:

Spencer owns and operates

Span Motors of Kenosha and

Span Motors of Madison. His

wholesaler, Span, Inc., is the

Midwest distributor for such

sporty little  models as the

Lotus, Elva-Currier (sic), Triumph,

and Formula V.

The Journal Times, Sunday 5 Jul 1964, Page 29

 

Pete Ledwith, top Lotus Super 7 jockey, is now working at Tambourine motors in Glenview, Ill. Bob Tamborine is fielding a strong field of Renaults in sedan racing in the Midwest and is doing right well.

Competition Press, 10 October 1964, Page 4

 

Three cars are in play here, per Graham Capel:

23-S-57 (Lodwith sic) ex-factory 12/11/62, unk, Green

23B-S-81 (Span Int'l Inc.) ex-factory 26/07/63, 1600 TC, Grey

23B-S-85 (Span Int'l Inc.) ex-factory 30/04/63, 1600 TC, White

 

Curt Gonstead first known appearance in a white 23B, 19 May 1963, SCCA Regional Wilmot — has to be 23B-S-85.

Typically ran #3.

 

"an entry from Dr. Curt Gonstead, Monroe, Wis., who has just received from England one of the only two new Lotus "23" sports-racing cars in the U.S.

Cardunal Free Press, Wed 22 May 1963, Page 16

 

The grey car 23B-S-81, has to be that of James Spencer/Dick Buedingen.

Driven by Bob Shaw, Pleasant Valley, Iowa, at Greenwood Roadway, Indianola, Iowa, 22 October 1963.

 

What about the 'green' car?

 

For Nassau 1962 #65: "National G Production champ Lynn Blanchard in a Lotus 23 with a 1500 Alfa engine added for push."

 

24-25 August 1963, Lynndale Farms, inaugural

"Lynn Blanchard of Milwaukee

(but a Madison club member)

last years national champion

in class G. He will be driving a

Lotus Alfa."

Wisconsin State Journal, Thursday 22 Aug 1963, Page 31

 

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Posted 23 February 2023 - 13:39

Who is this at Milwaukee in 1962? is it #23?

 

http://ferrariexpert...au Fairgnds.jpg

 

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Posted 23 February 2023 - 22:19

Who is this at Milwaukee in 1962? is it #23?

 

http://ferrariexpert...au Fairgnds.jpg

 

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I was at that race, so I dug out the program in order to answer your question. Wouldn't you just know it; that car was not listed. Further, the program shows no Lotus 23s in the race.  :cry: 

 

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Posted 24 February 2023 - 04:16

I was at that race, so I dug out the program in order to answer your question. Wouldn't you just know it; that car was not listed. Further, the program shows no Lotus 23s in the race.  :cry:

 

Tom 

 

Can you identify any of the other cars in the photograph? The #76 car just in front? Jim Scott, De Tomaso-OSCA? I wonder if it was 1963?

 

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Can you identify any of the other cars in the photograph? The #76 car just in front? Jim Scott, De Tomaso-OSCA? I wonder if it was 1963?

 

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It was Sept. 30, 1962, an SCCA Divisional race on the 1.9 mile Milwaukee oval and infield road course. Identifiable are, in order, Dudley Davis, Ferrari 500/625 TR; Buz Hahn, Leader Card Racers Porsche 550 RS Spyder; Bill Stone, Lola Mk I; unidentified next to Stone; Bill Cooper, Ferrari 500 TR; George Montgomery, Maserati 200-S; Jim Scott; DeTomaso; and unidentified. 

 

The top six overall were:

#77 Porsche 718 RS-60 Spyder 718-060 Bill Wuesthoff 1oa 1cl FM

 

#76 De Tomaso-OSCA James Scott 2     1cl GM

 

#5 Porsche 550A RS Spyder 550A-0118 Buz Hahn 3     2cl FM

 

#3 Elva Mk VI 60/04 Curt Gonstead 4     2cl GM

 

#94 Ferrari 250 TR 0714 TR Wayne Burnett 5     1cl DM

 

#71 Elva Mk VI Ralph Trieschmann 6     3cl GM

 

Tom


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It was Sept. 30, 1962, an SCCA Divisional race on the 1.9 mile Milwaukee oval and infield road course. Identifiable are, in order, Dudley Davis, Ferrari 500/625 TR; Buz Hahn, Leader Card Racers Porsche 550 RS Spyder; Bill Stone, Lola Mk I; unidentified next to Stone; Bill Cooper, Ferrari 500 TR; George Montgomery, Maserati 200-S; Jim Scott; DeTomaso; and unidentified. 

 

The top six overall were:

#77 Porsche 718 RS-60 Spyder 718-060 Bill Wuesthoff 1oa 1cl FM

 

#76 De Tomaso-OSCA James Scott 2     1cl GM

 

#5 Porsche 550A RS Spyder 550A-0118 Buz Hahn 3     2cl FM

 

#3 Elva Mk VI 60/04 Curt Gonstead 4     2cl GM

 

#94 Ferrari 250 TR 0714 TR Wayne Burnett 5     1cl DM

 

#71 Elva Mk VI Ralph Trieschmann 6     3cl GM

 

Tom

 

I suspect the Lotus 23 may be the Saab-powered car of Ed Walsh, St. Louis, Missouri. Does the programme help at all? Also possible Edna Sherman?

In 1964 Saab was white: https://www.virhisto...apr/oc02-02.jpg

 

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Posted 24 February 2023 - 20:54

I suspect the Lotus 23 may be the Saab-powered car of Ed Walsh, St. Louis, Missouri. Does the programme help at all? Also possible Edna Sherman?

In 1964 Saab was white: https://www.virhisto...apr/oc02-02.jpg

 

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Mystery solved! It is Edna Sherman. This morning  I remembered that she ran in the 1962 Road America 500 and then stayed over and ran at Milwaukee a couple weeks later. I checked my photos from  the 500, and sure enough, she was in a red 23 with the number 23.

 

Ed Walsh did have a white 23, powered by a Saab engine, but he ran in class HM, which was a separate race at Milwaukee on the day in question.

 

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Mystery solved! It is Edna Sherman. This morning  I remembered that she ran in the 1962 Road America 500 and then stayed over and ran at Milwaukee a couple weeks later. I checked my photos from  the 500, and sure enough, she was in a red 23 with the number 23.

 

Ed Walsh did have a white 23, powered by a Saab engine, but he ran in class HM, which was a separate race at Milwaukee on the day in question.

 

Tom

 

Good work! BTW this race was called the Oktober Rennen. Any other IDs from Road America?

 

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Posted 25 February 2023 - 16:46

Good work! BTW this race was called the Oktober Rennen. Any other IDs from Road America?

 

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The Milwaukee region SCCA ran a late season race in the 1959-69 period. They called it the Oktober Rennen and for the most part it was in October, However the race we are discussing here was run the last weekend in September! If anything, this was consistent with all three of their races in 1962. The Springtime race was run the end of June, while the Wisconsin Grand Prix was held at Meadowdale, which was in Illinois! Oh well---

 

What are you looking for from Road America?



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Posted 25 February 2023 - 16:57

Lotus 23s — particularly car colors, numbers.

 

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Lotus 23s — particularly car colors, numbers.

 

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The 23s that I photographed at Road America and Meadowdale in the years 1962-65 were as follows:

 

Walsh, 11, green. Later 9, white.

Buedingen, 54, gray

Kolb, 7, red

Gonstead, 3, white

Rader, 43, white

Spencer, 53, gray

Morgan, 39, silver

Goth, 1 white

Terrell, 55, white

 

Tom



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The 23s that I photographed at Road America and Meadowdale in the years 1962-65 were as follows:

 

Walsh, 11, green. Later 9, white.

Buedingen, 54, gray

Kolb, 7, red

Gonstead, 3, white

Rader, 43, white

Spencer, 53, gray

Morgan, 39, silver

Goth, 1 white

Terrell, 55, white

 

Tom

 

More good work. Many thanks.

I'm thinking:

Buedingen, 54, gray

Spencer, 53, gray

Has to be the same car but at different meetings?

 

Morgan, 39, silver is intriguing, as AFAIK no car came from the factory in that colour. Where and when was this?

 

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More good work. Many thanks.

I'm thinking:

Buedingen, 54, gray

Spencer, 53, gray

Has to be the same car but at different meetings?

 

Morgan, 39, silver is intriguing, as AFAIK no car came from the factory in that colour. Where and when was this?

 

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Regarding the Buedingen and Spencer 23, yes, they would be the same car as they were entered by Span Motors of Madison. Buedingen drove for Span in other cars.

 

As far as the Morgan 23 is concerned the color is hard to make out. It may have been more gray than silver.

 

Tom



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Posted 31 March 2023 - 08:09

Another sighting of Gus Hutchison in the Lotus 23 at DeSoto Parish airstrip, Mansfield, Louisiana, 2 October 1966. 2nd in the final race.
Much speculation in this thread that this was the ex-Sid Kelly car. The fly in the ointment is that Kelly had an FPF-powered 4-cylinder car and Hutchison allegedly had a 1.5-litre Coventry-Climax V8 that was in the car when he bought it?

 

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