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[alfredaustria]

Here we had already some threads about the great talented Mexican driver Hector Alonso-Rebaque. Perhaps you can help out with photos from his short career? All fotos are very welcome. Perhaps you also got some photos of his very early career when he drove IMSA-Porsche at Daytona, Sebring and Le Mans? Thanks.

[hansfohr]

Here we had already some threads about the great talented Mexican driver Hector Alonso-Rebaque. Perhaps you can help out with photos from his short career? All fotos are very welcome. Perhaps you also got some photos of his very early career when he drove IMSA-Porsche at Daytona, Sebring and Le Mans? Thanks.

Check that out all here! http://www.racingspo...ebaque-MEX.html

Rebacque, Imola 1981 (groundclearance check ok, courtesy of Brabham's hidden hydraulic system!)

Edited by hansfohr, 14 April 2010 - 14:27.

[Gabrci]

Alfred, I'll e-mail you some HQ photos in the evening.

[hansfohr]

Hector Rebaque's one-off F1 comeback in the 1983 RoC at Brands in the Brabham-BMW BT52, the last (ever?) non-championship F1 race in history.

Photo: © Michael Day

Edited by Twin Window, 15 April 2010 - 09:30.

[hansfohr]

Hector in the 'customer' Lotus 78 (Monza 1978)

Photo: David Harding

Edited by hansfohr, 14 April 2010 - 14:38.

[hansfohr]

(photographer unknown)

[simonlewisbooks]

There's a whole bunch of Rebaque/Lotus photos on my site -

http://shop.simonlew...p-79-1606-p.asp
http://shop.simonlew...p-79-1607-p.asp
http://shop.simonlew...1979-1608-p.asp
http://shop.simonlew...79-b-1609-p.asp
http://shop.simonlew...79-b-1591-p.asp
http://shop.simonlew...79-c-1592-p.asp
http://shop.simonlew...1979-1593-p.asp

None of the Rebaque F1 car itself unfortunately

[Barry Boor]

British G.P. 1978

[David Lawson]

Turning in to Stirlings Bend at the 1978 British Grand Prix


At Druids leading Villeneuve and de Angelis at the 1980 British Grand Prix.

David

[f1steveuk]

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Turning in to Stirlings Bend at the 1978 British Grand Prix


At Druids leading Villeneuve and de Angelis at the 1980 British Grand Prix.

David

That looks like Riccardo Zunino to me, are you sure it's Hector?

Edited by f1steveuk, 14 April 2010 - 17:57.

[Gabrci]

That looks like Riccardo Zunino to me, are you sure it's Hector?

That was my first thought too, but it is indeed Rebaque.

[hansfohr]

That looks like Riccardo Zunino to me, are you sure it's Hector?

Definitely Hector, he had a different helmetdesign we were used too.

This is Zunino.

[Maldwyn]

Hector Rebaque's one-off F1 comeback in the 1983 RoC at Brands in the Brabham-BMW BT52, the last (ever?) non-championship F1 race in history.

Photo: © Michael Day

A correction. That photo is © Michael Day - me

[hansfohr]

A correction. That photo is © Michael Day - me

Sorry mate. Great pic!

[f1steveuk]

At Druids leading Villeneuve and de Angelis at the 1980 British Grand Prix.

David

I have it on very good authority that this is Riccardo, it sure looks similar!

[alfredaustria]

(photographer unknown)

I love this photo. I was there at the 1000 Km-race Österreichring 1974. And I clearly remember this long-tail-Porsche. And I will never forget that I took so many photos and then it turned out that my camera did not work, so I had no photos from this race. It was a great race, with Matra-Simcas dominating the practice and Pescarolo/Larrousse winning race from the Alfa Romeo 33TT12 of De Adamich/Facetti and Beltoise/Jarier third. Hector finished 6th in class.

[Verhage]

I myself am still looking for pictures of Rebaque's helmet in close up from 1980 (from GP of Italy to end 1980). Who can help me?

Thanks, Adriaan

www.freewebs.com/helmetsnl

[hansfohr]

I myself am still looking for pictures of Rebaque's helmet in close up from 1980 (from GP of Italy to end 1980). Who can help me?
Thanks, Adriaan

I can't get any closer than this (Montréal 1980)

[tyrrellp346wheels]

Theres a close up of his helmet here.

http://www.racingspo...0-10-05-006.jpg

[Twin Window]

Not sure if this will help, Adriaan, but this is from around 1976/7. The stripes stayed pretty much the same as far as I'm aware;

[Verhage]

Thanks for the photos.
I am especially looking for photos of the front of his helmet (from 1980).

Thanks in advance, Adriaan

www.freewebs.com/helmetsnl

[Alan Cox]

A photo of an Atlantic Chevron in Hector's livery taken at the 1975 London Racing Car Show.

[eldougo]

R.Zunino drove the first 7 Gps in the 1980 season and Hector drove the last 7Gps both using the same No6 on the Brabham.

That photo is NOT Hector it,s Riccardo.

Edited by eldougo, 16 April 2010 - 23:45.

[Gabrci]

R.Zunino drove the first 7 Gps in the 1980 season and Hector drove the last 7Gps both using the same No6 on the Brabham.

That photo is NOT Hector it,s Riccardo.

I really don't think so, I think it's Rebaque on the photo.

[tyrrellp346wheels]

The 1980 British GP was the first race Rebaque did for Brabham in 1980, after replacing Riccardo. Im posotive

[Alan Cox]

It would be quite an achievement for the Brands 1980 photo to be of Riccardo because he didn't even take part in the race - unless, of course, all of the race reports and results have got it wrong.

[f1steveuk]

It would be quite an achievement for the Brands 1980 photo to be of Riccardo because he didn't even take part in the race - unless, of course, all of the race reports and results have got it wrong.

I know, it's just weird that the helmet is a carbon copy of Zunino's (perhaps Hector had to borrow it?), but I thought the barriers at Druids in 1980 were white? I have a picture of Alan Jones rounding druids, in 1980, in a FW07, numbered 27, and the barriers are white.

Could that picture be of Riccardo at the tyre testing a month before??? There's just something that is niggling me about it!!! (I must get out more)

[Maldwyn]

Could that picture be of Riccardo at the tyre testing a month before??? There's just something that is niggling me about it!!! (I must get out more)

This is very definitely a photo of mine from the 1980 GP:

...possibly too far away from Druids but there doesn't appear to be a Ferodo advertising board where there is one in the other photo.

Edited by Maldwyn, 16 April 2010 - 12:00.

[Nordic]

This is very definitely a photo of mine from the 1980 GP:

...possibly too far away from Druids but there doesn't appear to be a Ferodo advertising board where there is one in the other photo.

I dont think the original photo is of druids.

compare them to mine that are, there was no catch fencing in 1980. (Unless if have got the years wrong!!)

http://rupert8766.fo.../p19059248.html

Hector behind the ferrari at the start.

and a few others

http://rupert8766.fo.../c333263_1.html

Edited by Nordic, 16 April 2010 - 13:36.

[David Lawson]

I know, it's just weird that the helmet is a carbon copy of Zunino's (perhaps Hector had to borrow it?), but I thought the barriers at Druids in 1980 were white? I have a picture of Alan Jones rounding druids, in 1980, in a FW07, numbered 27, and the barriers are white.

Could that picture be of Riccardo at the tyre testing a month before??? There's just something that is niggling me about it!!! (I must get out more)

No. When I took the picture of Rebaque, Villeneuve and de Angelis during practice over the grand prix weekend I was standing at Druids, there is no doubt about the location.

David

[f1steveuk]

Then I can only think that Hector was brought in at quite short notice, and used Ricardo's helmet. I shall drop an e mail to the man that was the engineer on that car, if he can remember it!

[tyrrellp346wheels]

I think your right Steve because I can't see a difference between the two helmets.

[Nordic]

No. When I took the picture of Rebaque, Villeneuve and de Angelis during practice over the grand prix weekend I was standing at Druids, there is no doubt about the location.

David

I guess you must have been looking up the hill, which is why the catch fencing is out of shot in mine.

Great photo by the way, happy days!

[David Lawson]

As you say I was standing on the exit of Druids more or less at the point where the Rallycross circuit used to turn left onto the top of the South Bank car park.

David

[eldougo]

.. Hector in the pits at Brands 1980.

Photo courtesy of GP international No 22.

Edited by eldougo, 16 April 2010 - 23:41.

[f1steveuk]

Well that's confused the issue!!! I have e mailed Nigel De Strater, but I suspect he'll be in China, but there's something wierd going on here!!!

[eldougo]

...That is Hector in Druids 1st lap behind Gilles Ferrari & Surer ATS..

No BP signage Shell has it this time also NO catch fence......Same Magazine and photographer unknown.(for the TNFP.)

Edited by eldougo, 17 April 2010 - 08:37.

[arttidesco]

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British GP, 13 07 80, with owners permission

Not sure if this detail of the Start of the 1980 British GP at Paddock, solves or adds to the mystery of Hector / Ricardo's helmet ?




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British GP, 13 07 80, with owners permission

Here is the original the detail was taken from.

Any TNFers claiming the back of the head in the bottom one ?

Edited by arttidesco, 20 May 2010 - 13:56.

[Carlos Jalife]

Guys,
I just posted a thread on rebaque's bio, a few days ago, maybe we should merge them.
First, I am writing his biography, just like I did with the Rodríguez brothers, so I'll end up knowing more tha anyone else alive about him (which is not all that is know about him), and I will explain the details that so confuse you about his first race with Brabham the British GP at Brands 1980. Rebaque got the call after Zunino (Ricardo with one C, please, only Italians use 2 Cs as Patrese) had failed miserably again in France (qualified last row and lasted 1 lap). Hector didn't travel with his helmets for one was to be brought from the old Rebaque team base in Warwickshire, but somehow it got lost and the one sent from Mexico was also lost so he just got a black Bell and raced with it. It is not Zunino, it is Rebaque, albeit in a helmet he got for that race (and it wasn't Zunino's).
Once cleared that point, I am doing the biography and we are collecting pictures so if you feel you have something that you think it is great post it here and I will see it and submit it to Hector when we choose pictures and maybe we can use it . if so I will contact you and ask for terms of usage.
Now to the one who wants the rebaque helmet. I have lots of pcitures and the drawings of it, exactly what do you want it for? Contact me on scuderiargz@yahoo.com.mx and I will send materials.
And if anyone want to contribute anecdotes, ideas and thought on Rebaque, please be my guest, contact me and I will evaluate all materials. Just one caveat, I don't this book will be in English since Rebaque was a minor figure compared to the Rodríguez, but it is very interesting since it deals with the period of the emerging commercialism of the F1 and how the sport came to be organized by Bernie. It hass added a lot to my knowledge of the period, because it is from a non traditional (ie european) point of view, and it paints a different picture.
One last thing, if I can get Nigel de Strater's mail to talk to him personally, it would be great, he must know things that Charlie, Herbie, Bernie, Gordon, Nelson and others haven't told me.
Cheers
Carlos Jalife

[ensign14]

Ironic that Zunino made his debut in a borrowed helmet...

Then again Zunino never had a design of his own, I think, he started in F1 with Lauda's, then had a plain black one, only lightened by a sponsor band. Which he also used at Tyrrell, without any sponsorship.

[TooTall]

Pre-qualifying at Long Beach 1978.



Cheers,
Kurt O.

[Barry Boor]

Apologies to Kurt, but I found the picture rather dark. So I fiddled with it a bit:

[f1steveuk]

One last thing, if I can get Nigel de Strater's mail to talk to him personally, it would be great, he must know things that Charlie, Herbie, Bernie, Gordon, Nelson and others haven't told me.
Cheers
Carlos Jalife

I haven't heard back from Nigel as yet, but I'll certainly ask if it's ok to pass on his address.

[eldougo]

[quote name='Carlos Jalife' date='May 23 2010, 06:51' post='4366354']
Guys,
I will explain the details that so confuse you about his first race with Brabham the British GP at Brands 1980. Rebaque got the call after Zunino (Ricardo with one C, please, only Italians use 2 Cs as Patrese) had failed miserably again in France (qualified last row and lasted 1 lap). Hector didn't travel with his helmets for one was to be brought from the old Rebaque team base in Warwickshire, but somehow it got lost and the one sent from Mexico was also lost so he just got a black Bell and raced with it.

If the last statement is correct how did i have a picture of Hector in the pits at Brands Hatch with his REAL Helmut on,in 1980 ?????? taken from the GPI magazine 1980 no 22.

[bigears]

"The second works Brabham was finally driven by Mexican Hector Rebaque after several days of negotiations between him and the Argentine driver Ricardo Zunino. Quite what the nature of Rebaque's contribution to the team has taken is a subject for speculation, but a Brabham spokesman assured us that "no money has changed hands." One is thus left to assume that the Mexican's place in this front-line team has been won on sheer talent alone, a view might not be shared by the disconsolare Zunino who spent most of the weekend hovering in the Brabham pit. The charming Argentine driver tells us his replacement is due to a "contractual misunderstanding" and he hopes to be back in a F1 car again for Germany."

Motoring News 17th July 1980

EDIT>> Found a Motoring News article dating on 10th July 1980, it said that Brabham was planning to run a third car for the British GP with Rebaque in the wheel but it did mention that there was a plan to put Rick Mears in the third car but the deal fell through. So it was mentioned that Rebaque would take it but then Zunino was on the way out due to financial problems, but this does not now appear to be the case.

Edited by bigears, 24 May 2010 - 18:01.

[f1steveuk]

Not getting any clearer is it chaps??

[arttidesco]

BE and clarity ?

[ensign14]

Rebaque earning a ride with talent? I don't wish to be rude, but...

[arttidesco]

What is the criteria for talent ?

Hector scored a point in his seven races while Ricardo didn't in his seven races.

[ensign14]

While Piquet scored about a gazillion. Rebaque scored 1 point in a Barnard-engineered 78. If talent were the sole criterion for filling that second Brabham seat, there were probably two dozen drivers ahead of Rebaque at that exact point in time. Best one could say about Hector then was that he was young and had gone into F1 early.