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[Phil Rainford]

Searched everwhere but does not seem to be a thread on Historic Group C

So to start with here are some images from last weekend at Le Mans.

Sadly the cars were unable to enjoy a dry track .......however practice was wetter than the race as this shot of Chris Roche surfing in his Tiga GT287 shows



Justin Law was just awesome in the wet practice



However Gary Paerson had the measure of him in the race until a puncture dropped him to third



Which allowed Gareth Evans into second



The distinctive Gebhardt of Robin Ward




Bob Berridge claimed he was going to take things easy in his Mercedes C11. He went three abreast into the first corner, spun into the gravel trap, fought back through the field, claimed fastest lap by some eight seconds and had two punctures.

Would like to be around when he is trying ;)






PAR

Edited by Phil Rainford, 19 June 2010 - 11:30.

[alansart]

Bob Berridge claimed he was going to take things easy in his Mercedes C11. He went three abreast into the first corner, spun into the gravel trap, fought back through the field, claimed fastest lap by some eight seconds and had two punctures.

Would like to be around when he is trying ;)

PAR

Bob's certainly moved on from the time when he was indecently quick in his FFord Lotus 69. Did he make a Festival Final in the 80's?

He once rang me asking if I could paint a flat hat on his helmet

I'll dig out my 1985 Group C photos when I find some time. Here's one to start with. Mosport Park 1985 and the debut of the Jags. Hans Heyer complete with hat to the left.

Edited by alansart, 19 June 2010 - 15:39.

[Phil Rainford]

Bob's certainly moved on from the time when he was indecently quick in his FFord Lotus 69. Did he make a Festival Final in the 80's?

He once rang me asking if I could paint a flat hat on his helmet

Indeed he did make the FF Final in this




PAR

[MCS]

Was that the ex-Peter Harrington Lotus? If it was, then I'm not surprised it was quick.

Incidentally, do IMSA GTP pictures qualify for this thread? Or is there another one that would be better suited?

[alansart]

An earlier Sauber.


Does anyone remember Alba?



And the Ceekar!

[Phil Rainford]

Cracking shots Alan .......... that corner at Mosport could be Lodge Corner at Oulton


PAR

[cyrilmac]

Will start digging Phil - got a feeling many will be in B+W.
Then the next job of scanning .....
Great idea for a thread tho'

Edited by cyrilmac, 19 June 2010 - 18:59.

[Phil Rainford]

A few more




Henrik Linberg's Porsche 962 was in mint condition ( sorry )



The rain looks to have seeped into David Hart's Porsche 962's electrics



Peter Harburg makes it a trio of 962s



Eric Richenbacher was on the pace in his Cheetah


PAR

[Macca]

I mainly remember Bob Berridge for a one-off drive in the final round of the British GTs at Brands a few years ago, when he punted off one of the championship contenders with a ridiculous move at Paddock UNDER YELLOWS; wondering if he'd done it deliberately and why I never heard of him getting a license endorsement..............

I've got loads of Gp C pics from '82 to '89; one or two might even be worth scanning some time.


Paul M

[Kevan]

Great stuff- there's something about a Group C car in the rain...

[Kevan]

I mainly remember Bob Berridge for a one-off drive in the final round of the British GTs at Brands a few years ago, when he punted off one of the championship contenders with a ridiculous move at Paddock UNDER YELLOWS; wondering if he'd done it deliberately and why I never heard of him getting a license endorsement..............

I've got loads of Gp C pics from '82 to '89; one or two might even be worth scanning some time.


Paul M

2003 in the DeWalt TVR from memory?

The second race meeting I ever went to was the Silverstone 1000km in 1985, and Group C was always a favourite. I'll have to dig a few of my pics out- mostly 1989-92, including a few from Interserie and British C2 races

A couple of random Group C pics I'd already got scanned:

Interserie at Brands in 1990- Walter Lechner's 'Jim Beam' Porsche and Richard Piper's Spice


Donington 1990- the Brun/Jaegermeister Porsche of Bernard Santal/Massimo Sigala

Edited by Kevan, 19 June 2010 - 20:10.

[alansart]

More from Mosport 1985. My apologies if these have been posted before.

The ill fated Surer/Winklehock Kremer Porsche


Mike Thackwell in the new Jag.




Martin Brundle getting tips for a future career


The Ickx/Mass Rothmans Porsche


A few more here

[vekspeed]

A couple of mine from Le Mans

Kremer 962


Jaguar


Some from the Inerserie at Brands in 1992

[BRM MICK2]

Some from friday

Edited by BRM MICK2, 21 June 2010 - 22:02.

[ensign14]

Eric Richenbacher was on the pace in his Cheetah

I think this is the ROC, from Le Mans in about 1993ish, that was designed by Chuck Graeminger but funded/run by ROC's Fred Stalder.

[BRM MICK2]

Further attempt !! hopefully smaller

Edited by BRM MICK2, 21 June 2010 - 22:18.

[vekspeed]

I forgot my Le Mans 2008 ones!

[Pedro 917]

Some Group C pictures from the 2009 Nürburgring Oldtimer GP : here

[Wouter Melissen]

Ten shots from a rather wet practice at Le Mans last week: http://www.ultimatec...ar-XJR-8-9.html

We also update our XJR-8 and XJR-16 pages:

http://www.ultimatec...guar-XJR-8.html

http://www.ultimatec...uar-XJR-16.html

[Speedy27]

Here's a link to a selection of my Group C and IMSA images taken at the Phillip Island and Sandown historic events over the past few years. Included are the Blaupunkt Porsche 962, Sauber Mercedes C9 and the Australian-built Veskanda :

http://www.flickr.co...en/tags/groupc/

enjoy!

[Lee Nicolle]

Here's a link to a selection of my Group C and IMSA images taken at the Phillip Island and Sandown historic events over the past few years. Included are the Blaupunkt Porsche 962, Sauber Mercedes C9 and the Australian-built Veskanda :

http://www.flickr.co...en/tags/groupc/

enjoy!

What have they done to the KANDA, it is the wrong color !

[Speedy27]

What have they done to the KANDA, it is the wrong color !

No idea, but it's still quick and good looking. Not many of us manage to be like this 25 years after one's prime (with some exceptions, of course!)

[Dan333SP]

Question about the Berridge Mercedes... does anyone know if they achieved their goal of running faster on the Mulsanne than the current P1 cars during the race? I watched the Eurosport broadcast of the group C race and they mentioned he was shooting for 345 KPH or thereabouts, and that he set the fastest lap at 3:44, which is incredibly quick (would have put him mid pack on the P2 grid) considering it was on a very slippery and wet track! The XJR9 is exactly what an endurance sportscar should look and sound like... the later turbo car in Gary Pearson's hands was lovely to look at but the sound was just so uninteresting by comparison. That GTP Spice was massively quick as well until it became one of many cars out with a puncture!

[Phil Rainford]

Some images from the lunchtime parade on the Monday of the Gold Cup.....













PAR

[Norman Jones]

From Le mans '83 a luxury excursion courtesy of Seamore Tours of Sale!




The EMKA Aston Martin which famously led albeit breifly.



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Richard Lloyd Jonathon Palmer

And form Silverstone 6 hours '82:



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The Martin Brothers 936C? Theres just something about this colour scheme which is so right

[Phil Rainford]

From Le mans '83 a luxury excursion courtesy of Seamore Tours of Sale!

It is a small world Norman..... Mr Arron and I went with Seamore Tours on their first ever trip to Le Mans in 1978

PAR

[Norman Jones]

It is a small world Norman..... Mr Arron and I went with Seamore Tours on their first ever trip to Le Mans in 1978

PAR

Ah 1978 I went with Page & Moy but had seen the light the following years 79,80 & 82 and went with Seamore.

However on my return to the car park in 83 someone had nicked the wheels off my cortina 200E!
I thought Sale was posh!!

[David Lawson]

Here are a few of mine from the only Group C race to be held in the UK this year which was at Brands Hatch on the 1/8/10.


David Mercer in the assembly area before winning this race


Spice SE90 - David Mercer exits Druids


Don Miles in the assembly area


Jaguar XJR5 - Don Miles


Ex Warwick/Brabham Jaguar was present but didn't race


Spice SE90 - Richard Bateman


Tiga - Jonathan Fay


Nissan RC90 preparation


Nissan RC90 - Kent Abrahamson


Spice SE88C of Kinch and Kinch


Spice SE89 - Paul Livesey


Nissan NPTI90 - Stefano Rosina

David

[richie]

[quote name='Norman Jones' date='Sep 5 2010, 15:16' post='4572625']
From Le mans '83 a luxury excursion courtesy of Seamore Tours of Sale!




The EMKA Aston Martin which famously led albeit breifly.



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Richard Lloyd Jonathon Palmer

And form Silverstone 6 hours '82:




Dr. Jonathon Palmer driving the Canon 956, courtesy www.johneaglephoto.com

[richie]

[quote name='richie' date='Jan 20 2012, 23:09' post='5487648']
[quote name='Norman Jones' date='Sep 5 2010, 15:16' post='4572625']
From Le mans '83 a luxury excursion courtesy of Seamore Tours of Sale!




The EMKA Aston Martin which famously led albeit breifly.



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Richard Lloyd Jonathon Palmer

And form Silverstone 6 hours '82:




Dr. Jonathon Palmer driving the Canon 956, courtesy www.johneaglephoto.com




Stefan Beloff in the Rothmans Porsche courtesy www.johneaglephoto.com

[richie]

[quote name='richie' date='Jan 20 2012, 23:16' post='5487657']
[quote name='richie' date='Jan 20 2012, 23:09' post='5487648']
[quote name='Norman Jones' date='Sep 5 2010, 15:16' post='4572625']
From Le mans '83 a luxury excursion courtesy of Seamore Tours of Sale!




The EMKA Aston Martin which famously led albeit breifly.



Uploaded with ImageShack.us



Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Richard Lloyd Jonathon Palmer

And form Silverstone 6 hours '82:




Dr. Jonathon Palmer driving the Canon 956, courtesy www.johneaglephoto.com




Stefan Beloff in the Rothmans Porsche courtesy www.johneaglephoto.com



I'm not sure if was Derek Bell winning a Group C race -maybe someone knows? Courtesy www.johneaglephoto.com

[brucemoxon]

It's okay; I have some...

Phillip Island historics garages.



A couple of Phillip Island's resident geese get up close and personal.



Eastern Creek (Sydney) September 2011. The Porsche Museum's travelling show.



Generations. Phillip Island 2011






Bruce Moxon

[Amaroo Park]

In my opinion the Group C cars of the 80's and early 90's are some of the best looking race cars of all time.

[Duc-Man]

In my opinion the Group C cars of the 80's and early 90's are some of the best looking race cars of all time.

Yop! Those and the Can-Am cars before.

[sabrejet]

Brands Hatch 1989:

[arttidesco]

WM #P82-01Roger Dorchy (F)/Jean-Daniel Raulet (F)/Michel Pignard (F) Q39 F11th. Only 30 years ago at Silverstone !

[Amaroo Park]

Is the Bell/Nedell Porsche a 962?

[arttidesco]

Is the Bell/Nedell Porsche a 962?

Yes it is a 962 not sure if it was Richard Lloyd Racing or Brittan Lloyd Racing by this time but they started reworking the bodywork in their own way from quite early on as did Joest and several other teams by the end of the 1980's. Might have also has a carbon fiber chassis but I'd be gladly corrected on that point.

[fausto]

Yes it is a 962 not sure if it was Richard Lloyd Racing or Brittan Lloyd Racing by this time but they started reworking the bodywork in their own way from quite early on as did Joest and several other teams by the end of the 1980's. Might have also has a carbon fiber chassis but I'd be gladly corrected on that point.

Richard Lloyd Racing, BLR was "active" only in 1987

[arttidesco]

Richard Lloyd Racing, BLR was "active" only in 1987

I do not recall that BLR was only a one year operation, live & learn

[fausto]

I do not recall that BLR was only a one year operation, live & learn

Officially, but John Britten and Richard Lloyd were, for what I can recall, always close (IIRC RL got Canon sponsorship money through JB)

[brucemoxon]

1984, Sandown (Melbourne, Australia), the final round of the World Endurance Championship. A few snaps from the weekend.

Yes, those are houses. It's that close to the neighbours.



Australian-built Romano-Spa. Actually a Kaditcha originally, renamed later. Had a Cosworth DFY and some Tyrrell bits.





BMW M1 with the locally developed Mercedes-Chev and a Chev Monza (was this a Dekon car?) Sports Sedans chasing .






Bruce Moxon

Edited by brucemoxon, 26 January 2012 - 05:36.

[Catalina Park]

The Monza is the ex-Bob Jane car that Peter Brock drove. It was driven at Sandown by Allan Grice, Dick Johnson and Ron Harrop.

[Amaroo Park]

Little left of field but I'll ask anyway, Was the Bond/Miedecke Porsche the same vehicle driven by Perkins and Brock at Le Mans that year?

[brucemoxon]

Little left of field but I'll ask anyway, Was the Bond/Miedecke Porsche the same vehicle driven by Perkins and Brock at Le Mans that year?

Pretty sure it wasn't. They were both customer cars, though.




BM

[mfd]

Little left of field but I'll ask anyway, Was the Bond/Miedecke Porsche the same vehicle driven by Perkins and Brock at Le Mans that year?

The #34 at Sandown was one of the first 962 (105) entered by John Fitzpatrick. The Le Mans #34 was a 956 (102) also owned by JFR, normally seen in Skoal Bandit livery but in Bob Jane colours for the race at Le Mans. Another JFR 956 (110) ran at Silverstone 1984 with Bob Jane livery. So three races with three different cars although owned & run by the same team

[arttidesco]

An answer to a question started on the Unipart Thread

I think you may be referring to 1988 Ralph. One of the Baker Tigas, the Pink Panther, spun in front of the lead Sauber Merc/Jaguar battle for the lead. Massive incident, it put one Sauber out, and severely delayed the other IIRC. Very spectacular, and amazing that no-one was hurt, driver or spectator. The Tiga carried on after repairs, though it looked a real mess after. A shame cos it spolied the race. I think the Tiga driver was a Yank, one of Roy's rent-a drivers, Stephen Hynes or similar?

Found my photo of the incident

[SteveG]

I took these at the Donington Historic Festival press day in April 2011.













Not brilliant but in keeping one hopes.

[arttidesco]

Hard to believe it was 30 years ago that I got up at the crack of dawn to go and see the debut of the 956 and Group C at Silverstone

[DN5]

Gulp - 30 years ago.

As a student I made my way from Leicester by public transport for the day. I wonder if it would be so easy to do these days.

Geoff