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[F.M.]

The new GP2 Series car, which will be used from the start of next year, has hit the track for the first time.

As AUTOSPORT's exclusive spy shot of the new GP2/11 car shows, it marks a radical visual departure from its predecessors.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/85014

What do you think?

I wonder how much faster it is than the current car/slower than F1

[TurboF1]

LMAO. That's basically the HRT car. Wow. For once in his life, Luca was right.

[teejay]

I suspect its quicker than a HRT

[slideways]

Are those twin centreboard keels ... this is surely a boat!

I'm not a fan at all. Why copy the culmination of two decades of F1 aero restrictions stacked on top of each other when they have a clean slate to work with...

[OO7]

They have obviously taken current F1 design trends and used them for this car, but I must say it does look ugly. The 2005 and 2006 GP2 cars were the best looking cars in my opinion.

[highdownforce]

In order to compare: http://motorsport.ne...25jun-1/042.jpg

[OwenC93]

Identical front wing to the HRT.

[scheivlak]

Ugly front wing + Lego-like looks overall.

Simply horrendous.

[Henrytheeigth]

Ahh another motorracing series that is taking after Bernies looks lol

[Disgrace]

There are definitely HRT design elements in that! The nose cone is Ferrari-esque.

Looks like the current crop of F1 cars, as expected, as the previous spec cars have done.

It looks fine, in fact I like it!

[Cenotaph]

why dont they create a fast car? instead of a F1's ******** cousin?

[Scotracer]

That'll be close to the back of the F1 field for 2011. A couple of seconds slower.

[Disgrace]

why dont they create a fast car? instead of a F1's ******** cousin?

Then it wouldn't be the F1 feeder series now would it?

[mtknot]

I think this is what the HRT car would look like EXACTLY if there wasn't parts homologation...

the HRT atm has unecessarily draggy and huge side pod and overhead inlets..


pirelli tyres and tyre widths ,same aero regs as 2010 F1 (maybe 11, hopefully that moveable rear wing doesn't go forward)... all they need to do is just replace the engine and voila! a F1 car.

That front wing looks so RB5-esque, especially with the endplates.


Am I the only one who likes it?

[Kerch]

I guess they're trying to emulate the balance and feel of an F1 car, because we know it would look a lot different if they simply wanted it to be as fast as possible.

[Tenmantaylor]

I thought the nose looked identical to the Virgin.

[katmen]

IF the principal structure is intact, this design is doomed, WHY?

ask GP2 driver Jozef Kral, who crashed in Valencia , he has broken vertebrae and 3 months reconvalenscence

ask Webber F1 Driver, who crashed in Valencia, he is fully healthy

[Gene and Tonic]

I like it - they've done the sensible thing. Will GP2 still be re-fuelling in races next year?

[primer]

At the very least, it should be reliable since Dallara have already done the beta testing with Hispania.

Edit: I also like how they have tried to maximize the number of small, flimsy aerodynamic items. They will print money by selling those parts after every small accident.

Edited by primer, 05 July 2010 - 17:27.

[PayasYouRace]

It's appropriate for GP2 to keep the looks of current F1 cars. For that reason I like it. Remember it's supposed to be a 2nd tier car. I'm sure the look will trickle down to GP3 and other lower formulae eventually.

Good thing they're keeping chassis the same though. The GP2 chassis was always good and it should save some teams some money.

[Seanspeed]

IF the principal structure is intact, this design is doomed, WHY?

ask GP2 driver Jozef Kral, who crashed in Valencia , he has broken vertebrae and 3 months reconvalenscence

ask Webber F1 Driver, who crashed in Valencia, he is fully healthy

Despite the crashes being similar, they were not the same. In fact, I'm sure that if you just changed a few minor variables in Webber's crash, we could come up with a situation in which he gets injured, too.

You're simply overreacting. The current Gp2 cars have proven quite safe overall.

As for the new car, I'm liking the connections to F1, but I could do without the bargeboard things on the sidepods.

EDIT: why is this thread rated one star? Seriously.....

Edited by Seanspeed, 05 July 2010 - 17:40.

[pacificquay]

I like it - they've done the sensible thing. Will GP2 still be re-fuelling in races next year?

GP2 has never refuelled in races

[Atreiu]

Looks horrible, why are they doing this?

[Buckethead]

Amazingly beautifull (except the fin)

[Henrytheeigth]

Amazingly beautifull (except the fin)

That's what I said when Kimi was standing next to the F2008...

[Brandz07]

i love it to be honest

[Cenotaph]

should every formula car follow the f1 uglyness that recent regulations imposed? I really think that GP2 shouldnt go down this path. im annoyed with f1 enough as it is, i dont need other series copying it.

[Brandz07]

it'd probably look better when it's all the same colour, especially the front wing end plates.

[Boing 2]

Despite the crashes being similar, they were not the same. In fact, I'm sure that if you just changed a few minor variables in Webber's crash, we could come up with a situation in which he gets injured, too.

You're simply overreacting. The current Gp2 cars have proven quite safe overall.

As for the new car, I'm liking the connections to F1, but I could do without the bargeboard things on the sidepods.

EDIT: why is this thread rated one star? Seriously.....

yeah, to belly flop a rigid tub from that hieght, right onto the plank (which would have gone straight into webbers spine) could have been a lot worse.

[Brandz07]

yeah, ive just noticed, without those bargeboards it'd look sweeeet

[GSiebert]

Simply ugly like all F1 cars.
I watch F1 because it's F1, but I wont watch GP2 anymore with this crap.

[The July Plot]

I dont think it does look anything like the HRT tbh, the nose cone is completely different, more like the Red Bull frontwing.
It will be interesting to see how fast it is compared to the current car and the back of the field F1 cars, especially when it has next years F1 spec tyres fitted.

Edited by The July Plot, 05 July 2010 - 19:33.

[Kucki]

My God. GP2 had a very clean and beautiful look. Now they managed to design a car looking even more ugly then a modern F1 car.

[Kucki]

IF the principal structure is intact, this design is doomed, WHY?

ask GP2 driver Jozef Kral, who crashed in Valencia , he has broken vertebrae and 3 months reconvalenscence

ask Webber F1 Driver, who crashed in Valencia, he is fully healthy

Yeah because we all know those 2 crashes were exactly the same

[MadYarpen]

Amazingly beautifull (except the fin)

Amazingly disgusting (including the fin)

[OwenC93]

That's what I said when Kimi was standing next to the F2008...

xD

[Les]

I'm not a fan of the bargeboards though generally its alright. Is probably the lack of a livery but it looks so small like a Formula BMW.

[domhnall]

Very ugly which is a shame as current GP2 cars are very nice. However it's good to see them cleaning up the aero a bit. GP2 has had some problems with turbulent air since adapting the current car.

[Burai]

should every formula car follow the f1 uglyness that recent regulations imposed? I really think that GP2 shouldnt go down this path. im annoyed with f1 enough as it is, i dont need other series copying it.

If GP2 is to continue to be taken seriously as a feeder series, having a car that prepares young drivers for the challenges of F1 machinery from two years ago (as the current car does) is a hiding to nothing.

Compared to FR3.5 and F2, the cost of entry is higher and there's no prize F1 drive to entice young drivers in.

[Buxbaum]

Then it wouldn't be the F1 feeder series now would it?

Isn't Formula 2 the feeder series now?
Don't understand the system under Formula 1 so don't mind me.

[sir jackie walker]

Totally hideous.

It's also a bit annoying that junior formulae try to imitate F1 in appearance. That's what you get when the technical regulations are determined by the chassis rather than vice versa...

[Brandz07]

Isn't Formula 2 the feeder series now?
Don't understand the system under Formula 1 so don't mind me.

i guess it goes something like this..

Formula 1...

GP2... Formula 2...

Formula Renault 3.5... (not sure tbh)

GP3... Formula 3...

Formula BMW...

Edited by Brandz07, 05 July 2010 - 21:28.

[Realyn]

Did anybody see GP3 at Magny Cours on Motors TV?

Hillarious - cars steering into other cars all the time, while trying to enter a corner.

[snafu]

My God. GP2 had a very clean and beautiful look. Now they managed to design a car looking even more ugly then a modern F1 car.

hence the name crapwagons
Hey this is Dallara were talking about, ugly, piss poor cars are what they ate noted for, hey they pay kickbacks to the IRL i wounder if they do the same for Bernie

[pingu666]

the best gp2 car was the 2005/2006 model, imo its only worth doing some slight updates to that, but oh well...

[Ross Stonefeld]

hence the name crapwagons
Hey this is Dallara were talking about, ugly, piss poor cars are what they ate noted for, hey they pay kickbacks to the IRL i wounder if they do the same for Bernie

Uh, GP2 cars have never been called crapwagons. Yes the current IRL car is an atrocity, but Dallara are pretty good at race cars the rest of the time. And much to your surprise kickbacks are standard in racing (and in fact business) and not an IRL specific complaint. So you'll have to find something else to scream about.

[Bmwsduc]

I don't really like the GP2 cars, they look to much like F1. On top of that, they art also going to be using F1 tires... I don't really understand why they are designing a new one that is very similar to this years F1 car. I would have thought they would have designed something like the 2007 F1 cars, oh well.

[Gene and Tonic]

What is so bad about the IRL car may I ask? I would assume actually that they have roughly the same performance as the current GP2 generation yes?

[mtknot]

What is so bad about the IRL car may I ask? I would assume actually that they have roughly the same performance as the current GP2 generation yes?

They're not that bad actually, but they're more primitive.

F1:
-Narrow track, super long wheelbase - less for less mechanical grip (stupid imo)
-Sophisticated high-drag aero, huge reliance on underbody aero
-Super light chassis - 620kg
-Carbon/Magnesium every bloody part and brakes
-Rides bumps/kerbing very well due to sophisticated torsion bars and damper setups
-General development to make cars faster and faster

Its interesting to note that the 1997 F1 cars are as fast as today's cars.

Indy:
-Wide track, medium wheelbase (similar to 1997 F1 spec track)
-Much lower drag aero, low nose, not much turbulence
-Around 100kg heavier than F1
-Conventional parts, steel brakes
-Coilovers, traditional parts for suspension
-Cars designed to put emphasis on driver skill, hence they're simple

Simply because of mechanical grip, the indy cars aren't that slow... all the FIA mandated formulas on the other hand follow the F1 narrow track trend.

I have to say, the indy formula does make better racing by a long shot... but everything happens so much slower compared to F1.

I don't really like the GP2 cars, they look to much like F1. On top of that, they art also going to be using F1 tires... I don't really understand why they are designing a new one that is very similar to this years F1 car. I would have thought they would have designed something like the 2007 F1 cars, oh well.

Anyway being more relevant to the topic itself, whats the issue of GP2 being similar to F1 anyway? Its meant to be a feeder series, so whats the point of building a car which is entirely different to the current F1 car? Its like getting the red bull air race champion to race for an F1 team. The current GP2 car, based off 2008 F1 cars is heavily aero reliant, and more balanced, compared to the high frontal downforce GP2/11 car. That explains why all the current rookie drivers are not finding it as easy to make a mark as say lewis hamilton, rosberg, kubica, etc as they drove cars of a different era with completely different handling characteristics...

Edited by mtknot, 06 July 2010 - 08:06.

[sushantf1]

Sorry for Hrt they won't be able to beat a Gp2 car next year.