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[Bloggsworth]

They wish...

Edited by Bloggsworth, 08 July 2010 - 08:30.

[Hypnotise]

Why the hell does Horner care about the McLaren drivers,when he needs to sort his own drivers out!

[pRy]

Bring it on... Jenson and Lewis wheel to wheel down hanger straight? That would be great for F1 and I'm sure if there is a win to be had by McLaren and they're 1-2 they'll do something along those lines. The relationship between them seems solid enough to cope although I suspect Lewis is the more fragile of the two and more likely to throw toys out of a pram if Jenson did get the better of him.. but he is learning and may be ok about it. I think Lewis needed a team mate like Jenson.. both on the track and off the track too. Now I'm getting all psychobabble.

[undersquare]

"They haven't actually raced each other head to head....

It will only take one small incident for things to flare up between the McLaren drivers, I'm sure. It will be interesting to see when they do race wheel to wheel again what the outcome will be."

They raced head to head in Oz Christian, it was fine. And Sepang. And Turkey was the acid test, which they passed while your guys didn't.

Tells us what an advantage it is for the team, Horner saying this .

[Clatter]

Why the hell does Horner care about the McLaren drivers,when he needs to sort his own drivers out!

It could be mind games, but more than likely it's an answer to a question that was posed by the journo. Take the answer, print it out of context, sit back and watch the fans wip themselves into a frenzy over it.

[Don_Humpador]

"Anybody who thinks Lewis and Jenson aren't competitive and won't push each other to the limit are sadly mistaken," said Horner.

"They're competitive guys, they're the current and former world champions, and I don't think they (McLaren) have a number one or number two driver.

Well duh.

"I'm sure Jenson didn't sign a contract to be a number two driver there. They haven't actually raced each other head to head. The only time they did that appeared to be in Istanbul, and they got pretty close to each other then.

Yes, but the key point is, they didn't crash. Unlike some. I also remember Hamilton and Button being head-to-head at Melbourne and Sepang..

"It will only take one small incident for things to flare up between the McLaren drivers, I'm sure."

So pretty much like what's happened with your guys!


Needless comments, he's feeling the pressure and is trying to put some on others.

[as65p]

It could be mind games, but more than likely it's an answer to a question that was posed by the journo. Take the answer, print it out of context, sit back and watch the fans wip themselves into a frenzy over it.

Horner is essentially right, of course, he just watched it happen in his own team, and there's no reason to believe Button and Hamiltons competitive desire is any less than that of Vettel and Webber. If the drivers are closely matched, it's bound to produce fireworks sooner or later. And only therein also lies the clue to prevent it, when one driver finally accepts the others superiority and gives up the fight. So far I presume that hasn't happened at McLaren, so everything is still possible.

[Gilles4Ever]

Why the hell does Horner care about the McLaren drivers,when he needs to sort his own drivers out!

Looks like the comments originated with Webber and Horner just agreed with him.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/85052

[bauss]

there is a diff. btw Vettel/Webber and Lewis/Jenson.

First the latter duo are much more skillful in wheel to wheel dicing, two of the best on the grid... they've shown that throughout their careers, so probability of them crashing or doing something super unfair in a wheel to wheel fight that can perm. hurt the driver relationship is low. They've already being wheel to wheel thrice this season.

Vettel/Webber are almost the opposite, when you look at the faster drivers on the grid who lack a bit of wheel to wheel craft, you will probably look at those two first... so not surprising they've had a coming together.

you stand a better chance of keeping a decent relationship btw both drivers if you can avoid them doing something silly to each other on track.

I think they are right though that the relationship wont get any friendlier as the WDC race hots up. But I doubt we will be seeing headline grabbing fireworks like RB....or sorta petulence SV displayed by insinuating Webber is crazy.

Ultimately RB is just trying to take the spotlight from their drivers with these comments.

[sosidge]

Sorry, but that statement is all about Webber's rivalry with Vettel.

He's just chosen to change the names around a bit.

[Supersleeper]

Why the hell does Horner care about the McLaren drivers,when he needs to sort his own drivers out!

He probably doesn't, but the journalist who asked the question was.

Drivers in the same team not getting on - unheard of....

...and in other news.




Any reason people get worked up about stuff like this?

[cheapracer]

http://www.thisislon...-down-toilet.do

WTF is wrong with you lot, how about some happy stories like this instead of this continual rubbish reporting .....

[Raziel]

Mind games.

[Dunder]

It could happen but it is more likely IMHO that the relationship between RBs drivers deteriorates even further.

If something were to happen at McLaren, I think it would likely be a result of an incident where Lewis felt that he got 'the short end of the stick', along the lines of what happened in Turkey.
Jenson has more experience of battles with a teammate (and of coming out 2nd best) and had always been more pragmatic.

TBH, I think a major falling out is much less likely under the stewardship of Whitmarsh than it would have been if Ron was still at the helm.

[as65p]

It could happen but it is more likely IMHO that the relationship between RBs drivers deteriorates even further.

If something were to happen at McLaren, I think it would likely be a result of an incident where Lewis felt that he got 'the short end of the stick', along the lines of what happened in Turkey.
Jenson has more experience of battles with a teammate (and of coming out 2nd best) and had always been more pragmatic.

TBH, I think a major falling out is much less likely under the stewardship of Whitmarsh than it would have been if Ron was still at the helm.

Those are all very good points.

I also reckon that the chances of continuing love are much higher as long as Hamilton keeps finishing in front of Button, which is quite likely. Or let's say if I were Whitmarsh I'd hope for it, for the sake of the team. OTOH I don't believe Button has already given up the fight.

[KateLM]

Meh, obviously its an attempt at mind games, but I remember Button was pretty willing to give his opinion on the driver situation at Red Bull after Turkey as well. At this point none of them are going to miss an opportunity to try and mess with the opposition.

As for what is really happening at McLaren - I don't know/think there is a problem between Button and Hamilton yet, though I think it would be a little naive to believe they really are as chummy as all these viral videos from the team are making out - McLaren seem very keen to show us that really, there is no problem between our guys. There is always going to be an element of tension when competing at this level, and I think we saw a glimpse of that on the podium at Turkey.

[Clatter]

Horner is essentially right, of course, he just watched it happen in his own team, and there's no reason to believe Button and Hamiltons competitive desire is any less than that of Vettel and Webber. If the drivers are closely matched, it's bound to produce fireworks sooner or later. And only therein also lies the clue to prevent it, when one driver finally accepts the others superiority and gives up the fight. So far I presume that hasn't happened at McLaren, so everything is still possible.

Of course he is right, anything can happen in a competitive situation like that, but it's the way people seem to think that these guys are running to the press to say it that makes me laugh.

[Arion]

The British media is so desperate.

[David Lightman]

Can't Red Bull and it's drivers spend more time making a reliable car and learning how to overtake without crashing, instead of waffling about other teams?

[Muz Bee]

Just Mark softening the blow of his clash with Seb by diverting attention to another strong driver pairing. Trouble is he lacks the accuracy for wheel to wheel stuff of his McLaren competitors.

[Muz Bee]

The British media is so desperate.

For serious F1 journalism you need to look to seasoned pros like Roebuck and Hamilton, forget these makeweight hacks from the daily press. Certainly Hamilton can be an impulsive driver at times but he is pretty tidy in a wheel to wheel fight, with Button I expect him to keep his cool.

[MichaelPM]

The only reason it is not a bigger deal right now is the fact the British press can't cling to any nationalistic battle between them.

[klyster]

http://www.thisislon...-down-toilet.do

WTF is wrong with you lot, how about some happy stories like this instead of this continual rubbish reporting .....

That's great!

I hope they agree to it

[Betty Swollox]

Pretty poor use of divide and conquer.

[W154]

The British media is so desperate.

Autosport are not to far behind them on this one. If you read the full comments, (Pitpass report of same story), it puts a completly different slant on it, especially Webbers comments. Cant see Webber swimming out at Thorpedo / Phelps pace to rescue drowning Seb, more likely doggy paddle pace.

[SK99]

Any reason people get worked up about stuff like this?

Because now the members of the McLaren team will be asked about it, others will be asked about the members of RBR predicting a fallout between the McLaren drivers.

RBR are clueless in this game and really should keep their mouths shut - as they will just get them shut for them on track where all real talking is done, as this is where RBR routinely come up short, and no doubt will continue to do so over the rest of the season given the comparitive strengths and weaknesses of their and the McLaren team.

[Wingnut]

Autosport are not to far behind them on this one. If you read the full comments, (Pitpass report of same story), it puts a completly different slant on it, especially Webbers comments. Cant see Webber swimming out at Thorpedo / Phelps pace to rescue drowning Seb, more likely doggy paddle pace.

... and he probably threw Seb in in the first place.

[Ross Stonefeld]

For serious F1 journalism you need to look to seasoned pros like Roebuck and Hamilton, forget these makeweight hacks from the daily press. Certainly Hamilton can be an impulsive driver at times but he is pretty tidy in a wheel to wheel fight, with Button I expect him to keep his cool.

So Christian Horner and Mark Webber are the ones giving the quotes, but somehow Hamilton and Roebuck are going to make those quotes different and therefor real journalism? And is this this Maurice Hamilton who sounded only slightly more knowledgeable than Ian Phillips when talking about F1 on 5live?

[Lights]

He should focus on his own drivers.

[Atreiu]

STFU Horner.
Manage your own team.

[Sausage]

He probably doesn't, but the journalist who asked the question was.

Drivers in the same team not getting on - unheard of....

...and in other news.




Any reason people get worked up about stuff like this?

Well both pilots of that vehicle were ''rivals'' as well, all people in the same job are to a certain extent.

I must say Hamilton and Button genuinly seem to get along though, while Webber and Vettel I'm pretty sure didn't get along back in 2007 already, long before Red Bull got a winning car or they were even in the same team.

[Hypnotise]

He should focus on his own drivers.

STFU Horner.
Manage your own team.

Agreed he should really mind his own buisness

[Ross Stonefeld]

To be fair, it's not like Horner is looking for the fight. I'm sure if we saw the full interview he was asked about Turkey or the general relationship between Webber and Vettel. And then he would have been asked about whether they're at a disadvantage because McLaren seem much more even keeled. So the context is important.

[kismet]

So I just wasted 30 seconds of my afternoon reading the story that inspired this thread and, unsurprisingly, turns out Christian "He should just STFU and concentrate on his own team" Horner didn't actually say anything even remotely interesting or controversial.

Ho hum.

[Lights]

To be fair, it's not like Horner is looking for the fight. I'm sure if we saw the full interview he was asked about Turkey or the general relationship between Webber and Vettel. And then he would have been asked about whether they're at a disadvantage because McLaren seem much more even keeled. So the context is important.

True to some extend. But I haven't heard other teambosses talk like this about the Red Bull drivers.

Horner however did the same thing last year with Button. All the while his own drivers are making silly mistakes and crash into each other.

One of the reasons he's annoying.

[Rinehart]

I think the reason why McLaren drivers are less likely to crash into each other than the Red Bull drivers is down to Jenson Button. Out of the 4 drivers he's the one with the pragmatism to do the most to avoid that situation, even if it meant giving his teammate an easier pass. Some people will consider that a weakness, but I bet Vettel now wishes he'd pocketed the 18 points he was sitting on in Turkey.

[PassWind]

Someone get the McLaren zombies here a ****ing Whaaambulance, its like a bloody ant colony, any comment about McLaren that doesn't emanate from the Master Control Room of the Death Star and the fanboy's go ****ing nuts in here.

[mkay]

I think the reason why McLaren drivers are less likely to crash into each other than the Red Bull drivers is down to Jenson Button. Out of the 4 drivers he's the one with the pragmatism to do the most to avoid that situation, even if it meant giving his teammate an easier pass. Some people will consider that a weakness, but I bet Vettel now wishes he'd pocketed the 18 points he was sitting on in Turkey.

Edited by mkay, 08 July 2010 - 14:20.

[PassWind]

^^^ got a little nibble there

[Tombstone]

Someone get the McLaren zombies here a ****ing Whaaambulance, its like a bloody ant colony, any comment about McLaren that doesn't emanate from the Master Control Room of the Death Star and the fanboy's go ****ing nuts in here.

What a pathetic waste of bandwidth.

Oh, laughing at your own jokes is akin to sniffing your own 'wind'.

Edited by Tombstone, 08 July 2010 - 14:34.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Wideband, I think you'll find.

[Henrytheeigth]

Just Mark softening the blow of his clash with Seb by diverting attention to another strong driver pairing. Trouble is he lacks the accuracy for wheel to wheel stuff of his McLaren competitors.

Hmm I bet if Lewis and Jenson had did that at Turkey and Mark and Seb, running behind the Maccas, heard the radio messages to be careful then the shoe would be on the other foot me thinks...

[TurboF1]

Bring it on... Jenson and Lewis wheel to wheel down hanger straight? That would be great for F1 and I'm sure if there is a win to be had by McLaren and they're 1-2 they'll do something along those lines. The relationship between them seems solid enough to cope although I suspect Lewis is the more fragile of the two and more likely to throw toys out of a pram if Jenson did get the better of him.. but he is learning and may be ok about it. I think Lewis needed a team mate like Jenson.. both on the track and off the track too. Now I'm getting all psychobabble.

kind of like when Jenson was leading Lewis with 2 wins to nil and was ahead in the points earlier in the year? yeah, we all heard and saw Lewis bitching that the team was favoring jense, right? oh....thats right. he didnt. He kept quiet and got on with it. even at the time that jenson was doing a better job. but dont let silly things like facts or the truth get in the way...

[bonjon1979]

kind of like when Jenson was leading Lewis with 2 wins to nil and was ahead in the points earlier in the year? yeah, we all heard and saw Lewis bitching that the team was favoring jense, right? oh....thats right. he didnt. He kept quiet and got on with it. even at the time that jenson was doing a better job. but dont let silly things like facts or the truth get in the way...

Uncomfortable Mr Webber?

http://planetf1.com/...rstone#photo=17

[Jay]

w000t....

The season must be getting into the sharp end now.

Mind games are picking up.

Bring it on

I love these comments from Horner. Hopefully we get the same result as his last little outburst:

CH: "Who needs ride height control?" .... cue the disaster at RBR

I'm not totally dismissing his comments btw, we all know that Lewis and Jenson's relationship has the ability to explode, they both have ego... but here's to hoping they are both mature enough to make this a clean fight right through to the title for a Mac drive.

[Dalin80]

After the public revealing of just how RBR operates its going to take much more then this to divert attention away, especially against a team which is getting PR so right at the moment.

[BinaryDad]

Horner and Webber are entitled to their own opinions. It seems like wishful thinking to me, sort of like a driver hoping rain will come along and give them a chance of competing with the faster drivers/cars.

It's just mind games really, and it makes me wonder how worried RBR are now that they don't have the car that is clearly the fastest out on the track. They have two drivers who they can't really trust to stay out of trouble and Newey is maybe scratching his head at how to improve the car next and coming up with nothing. That's just my opinion of course, but it's equally, if not more valid than Mark and Christian's wishful thinking.

[Sakae]

Vettel is the only guy who keeps his mouth shut at the moment. Ecellent work that way, I must say. No comment on the other headlines hunters.

Edited by Sakae, 08 July 2010 - 19:12.

[Hole]

First of all, I don't know why drivers should keep their mouths shut.

Secondly, to be honest, what he say is true. Now that Lesly has the upper hand there are no problems, but if Button starts beating him under normal circunstances, we'll see fireworks for sure.

Edited by AdamKOR, 08 July 2010 - 19:16.

[Anssi]

It's boring.