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#51 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 11:42

Could it be he wants the big wing?

The wing Neil ran wasn't that big.

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#52 SJ Lambert

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 12:44

One thing of note.....Either Niel was short and Trevor is tall,
or the driver sits on a cushion these days.


I'm 5'10" & Trevor's shorter than me.

#53 SJ Lambert

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Posted 01 July 2016 - 21:16

Tasmanian John Walker with a very nicely presented monocoque !


Photo from the Examiner Archive


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#54 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 01 July 2016 - 23:09

The ME5 ran at PI as a Group R car. This is for post 1 January 1978 cars.

Why is it in this Group when it debuted in 1969. Should it not be in Group O?

If it ran in its proper category then it would have to have its correct livery.

The car is running in the category it is presented in. Like most historic cars they had over the years several period looks and liveries.  Trevor has presented it in the  period livery he chose. AS it was last raced here in Oz.



#55 TerryS

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 23:06

I see that the Elfin ME5 is now for sale

http://www.my105.com.../elfin/id/21424

I sincerely hope that someone buys it and restores it to how it is supposed to look in that beautiful Niel Allen blue.

That current colour scheme and body changes are hideous and such a beautiful car does not deserve them

I remember seeing it at Warwick Farm in one of its first runs and thought it looked fabulous and like a stealth fighter.

see some photos of the "proper" Elfin ME5:

http://autopics.com....-nield/#gallery

http://www.oldraceph...165_F_ElfME5_69

http://autopics.com....raft/#gallery-1

#56 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 23:51

I'm sure Niel would love to see it like that too...

It must have been the day of his big win in it that you saw the car.

#57 lyntonh

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 01:13

I saw the ME5 last weekend.

 

It's on display in the foyer of the main pit building at The Bend, next to the McLaren M8F which Jason White races.

 

Trevor Lambert lives just on the other side of Tailem Bend, so the ME5 is close to home.

 

My camera was back in the garage so no pictures, sorry.

 

My sentimental view is that the original blue would be nice,

but the car has been modified somewhat over the years,

so it still wouldn't look the same.

 

The discussion about which period cars should be restored back to, is long and tortuous.


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#58 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 01:54

Yes, as I said 3 years ago the car is presented as it last raced in Oz.

Often harder to go back in presentation though I do remember talking to Trevor long ago about the difficulties he had with an historic logbook.



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Posted 02 July 2019 - 07:17

It’s for sale at the moment, so I expect it’ll find a new home in the fullness of time.


As I said previously I do hope that any purchaser restores it to the beautiful blue form that Niel Allen ran it in.

What would people rather see:

The present mess

Or as Allen ran it?

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 07:53

Here is article on the ME5 from early 1970. I know I have article somewhere (isn't in SCW - could be an Autosportsman) of it at Mallala unpainted - I'll post if I can track it down. Couple of pics too.Elfin-ME5-Text2-lo.jpgElfin-ME5-Text1-lo.jpgElfin-ME5-pics-lo.jpg9165-F-ME5-69-lo.jpg5017-N-Grid-74-lo.jpg



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Posted 02 July 2019 - 08:12

As I said previously I do hope that any purchaser restores it to the beautiful blue form that Niel Allen ran it in.What would people rather see:The present messOr as Allen ran it?


I would absolutely prefer the car the way I first saw it.

It was what I would describe as ‘pure’.

#62 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 04:46

As I said previously I do hope that any purchaser restores it to the beautiful blue form that Niel Allen ran it in.

What would people rather see:

The present mess

Or as Allen ran it?

Bloody hell. Present mess?  Hardly. A very nice car and as run in period. It is up to the owner about what era it is presented too.

And as I said above probably too hard to take it back too its original form.

How many racecars have not been modified heavily over the years?



#63 ellrosso

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 07:28

Looked terrific in its original blue livery I reckon. Here is Auto Sports article.Elfin-ME5-Text3-lo.jpgElfin-ME5-Text4-lo.jpg



#64 SJ Lambert

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:24

Trevor has been very generous in lending us the ME5 to take back to Tassie for the 60 years of Elfin Celebrations!

This shot has Ron and Trevor's crew loading her up at The Bend on this Thursday just gone.

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#65 SJ Lambert

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 11:44

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Trevor Lambert lapping at Mallala in 2009

#66 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 12:44

...on more original wheels.

Those German (I assume they're German) wheels don't look right at all.

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 13:31

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#68 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 21:08

Charlie entering Leger?

#69 TerryS

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 00:41

Doesn't it look much better in its original format than the current mess?



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Posted 11 September 2019 - 13:45

We’re going to have Johnny Walker at our “do” at the Bellerive Yacht Club next week along with Don Elliott to hear as many ME5 war stories as they’ve got in them!

(I’ve even placed a call to Niel Allen in the hope that he might be willing to share some ME5 reminiscences).

Edited by SJ Lambert, 11 September 2019 - 13:46.


#71 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 16:02

I don't know what Niel's condition is at the moment, but another to ask would be Peter Molloy...

I have no doubt that you'll get a story out of Niel if you get through to him.

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 04:46

...on more original wheels.

Those German (I assume they're German) wheels don't look right at all.

While I tend to agree it probably boils down to having wheels that are available. Often to fit tyres that are available currently. Avon and Hoosier can probably supply most sizes, but then again maybe not. 

I know when I quit Sports Sedans in 2000 I could not get the correct front tyre,, and really my preferred size rear either. Tyres were all too wide or too small. The front was worst though. Car would not turn near as well,, and the inside of the tyre was hardly working.

And for these historics that can be the problem.

James 09 pic above I doubt are period wheels either.

Like a lot of things wheels wear out and short of finding somebody to make new ones the same, which would probably be horrendous. 

Those cars had full cast wheels? Or composites? .



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Posted 13 September 2019 - 05:03

Fully sand cast in magnesium in period.

Later on some were cast in aluminium, in recent years there has been a return to full magnesium castings.

Composites are also allowed in Historics these days.

#74 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 20:59

Were the originals cast in Adelaide or by CAC in Melbourne?

If the wheels in post 65 are not the originals, they are the same as them...

Reading through those stories, Garrie, Tony Alcock, Frank Matich, Bob Jane, Wayne Eckersley is in one picture, Adrian Van Loon, all gone. It's a good thing memories of this car are still alive.

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 23:02

CAC cast ‘em, Ron machined them (I’m pretty sure he did the first set for the ME5, I’m told that a rear was used as a bassinet for me!)

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Posted 14 September 2019 - 18:14

Fully sand cast in magnesium in period.
Later on some were cast in aluminium, in recent years there has been a return to full magnesium castings.
Composites are also allowed in Historics these days.

My old friend and pinstriping client sand-casts heads for Packards and Auburns now. Very cool stuff.

He's talking about doing it for other historic and race cars, but may well retire first.